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Jacob
April 26th, 2016, 04:41 PM
From what life is and what it means to obey God's commands (and live thereby), to if the death penalty exists for new covenant believers (these have received the gospel of Jesus Christ at its proclamation), what can we answer from the Torah itself and the rest of scripture?

Robert Pate
April 28th, 2016, 12:52 PM
From what life is and what it means to obey God's commands (and live thereby), to if the death penalty exists for new covenant believers (these have received the gospel of Jesus Christ at its proclamation), what can we answer from the Torah itself and the rest of scripture?

"The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17 and not by rules, laws or religion.

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.

Jacob
April 28th, 2016, 12:54 PM
"The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17 and not by rules, laws or religion.

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.
Living by faith may involve rules, laws or religion. It certainly involves obedience to God's commands.

jamie
April 28th, 2016, 02:41 PM
"The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17 and not by rules, laws or religion.

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.


How do you know you are being led by God's Spirit? Are there no imitators?

Jesus said, "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."
(Matthew 24:24)

Without standards to guide us we can be deceived.

Robert Pate
April 28th, 2016, 02:54 PM
How do you know you are being led by God's Spirit? Are there no imitators?

Jesus said, "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."
(Matthew 24:24)

Without standards to guide us we can be deceived.


To be led by the Spirit of God is to be led by the Gospel and the fact that you have been justified by faith apart from the law.

jamie
April 28th, 2016, 04:00 PM
To be led by the Spirit of God is to be led by the Gospel and the fact that you have been justified by faith apart from the law.


Are you thinking the devil does not know the gospel?

Robert Pate
May 1st, 2016, 03:22 PM
Living by faith may involve rules, laws or religion. It certainly involves obedience to God's commands.

Christians are not obligated to obey the commandments. Trying to keep the commandments will make you sin more, Romans 7:7-12.

It is only when you are free from the law that you can obey the law.

Jacob
May 1st, 2016, 03:23 PM
Christians are not obligated to obey the commandments. Trying to keep the commandments will make you sin more, Romans 7:7-12.

It is only when you are free from the law that you can obey the law.

Obedience to God is not impossible.

Robert Pate
May 1st, 2016, 03:23 PM
Are you thinking the devil does not know the gospel?

Of course he does. This is why he is busy hiding and perverting it.

Robert Pate
May 1st, 2016, 03:25 PM
Obedience to God is not impossible.

Paul refutes you, Romans 3:10 also Romans 3:23.

Jacob
May 1st, 2016, 03:26 PM
Paul refutes you, Romans 3:10 also Romans 3:23.

I didn't say you are righteous and I didn't say you have not sinned. I said it is possible to obey God.

Robert Pate
May 1st, 2016, 03:37 PM
I didn't say you are righteous and I didn't say you have not sinned. I said it is possible to obey God.

The only one that has obeyed or pleased God is Jesus Christ. All of the rest are sinners.

Jacob
May 1st, 2016, 03:47 PM
The only one that has obeyed or pleased God is Jesus Christ. All of the rest are sinners.

Jesus had perfect obedience. You can obey God and Jesus. It is possible for you to do so.

patrick jane
May 1st, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jesus had perfect obedience. You can obey God and Jesus. It is possible for you to do so.
If you're guilty of one sin, you are guilty of all.

Jacob
May 1st, 2016, 04:23 PM
If you're guilty of one sin, you are guilty of all.

If you have broken one command in the Law then you have broken the Law. Transgressing one command makes you a transgressor of the law.

James 2:10 NASB - 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Jacob
May 1st, 2016, 04:25 PM
If you break one command you have broken the commands to love God and love your neighbor, which is what the whole law is about.

CherubRam
May 1st, 2016, 04:51 PM
James 1:22
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

For the love of God remember and keep the Sabbath.

Jacob
May 1st, 2016, 05:38 PM
James 1:22
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

For the love of God remember and keep the Sabbath.
With all due respect CherubRam, are you thinking I am speaking of the Sabbath command? The Sabbath command is one of God's commands.

CherubRam
May 1st, 2016, 06:33 PM
With all due respect CherubRam, are you thinking I am speaking of the Sabbath command? The Sabbath command is one of God's commands.
I thought I would add that into your thread.

Jacob
May 1st, 2016, 08:00 PM
I thought I would add that into your thread.

Well, thank you for mentioning this command.

Epoisses
May 1st, 2016, 10:25 PM
James 1:22
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

For the love of God remember and keep the Sabbath.

You're not a Sabbath keeper because you are not resting in Jesus. You're a Sabbath breaker who will be taken outside the camp for disobeying the gospel.