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Robert Pate
April 24th, 2016, 09:28 AM
The day of the Lord has nothing to do with the Sabbath day. It appears to me that "The Day of the Lord" is about the return of Christ. "For yourselves know perfectly that "The Day of the Lord" so comes as a thief in the night" 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

And then Peter wrote,"But "The Day of the Lord" will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" 2 Peter 3:10.

Even some of the Old Testament prophets spoke of "The Day of the Lord" "Alas for "The Day of the Lord" is at hand, and as a destruction from the almighty shall it come" Joel 1:15.

Isaiah the prophet said, "For "The Day of the Lord" of host shall be upon everyone that is proud and lofty, and upon everyone that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low" Isaiah 2:12.

"Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in "The Day of the Lord's" wrath ; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all of them that dwell in the land" Zephaniah 1:18.

These scriptures speak of the judgment that Jesus will execute when he returns. We must assume that "The Day of the Lord" is the day of judgment. No one likes to talk about judgment, especially the unsaved, God is a God of judgment. If he didn't judge he would not be holy and righteous. His judgments are perfect and complete, unlike the judgments of men.

When Jesus appears in the Eastern sky all that are not "In Christ" will wail because of him, Revelation 1:7. All that have rejected him and his Gospel, will hide in caves and call for the rocks to fall on them, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Revelation 6:16, 17. Only those that are "In Christ" will be able to stand, not only will they stand they will be caught up to be with him, Colossians 3:4.

jamie
April 24th, 2016, 01:01 PM
These scriptures speak of the judgment that Jesus will execute when he returns. We must assume that "The Day of the Lord" is the day of judgment.


Yes, Christ will judge lackadaisical Israel, not just the Jews but all of Israel. It is the time of Jacob's trouble. (Jeremiah 30:7)

Good post. Very timely.

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Epoisses
April 24th, 2016, 01:54 PM
The day of the Lord is the day of the Lord's appearing which will culminate in the books of Daniel and Revelation. Definitely longer than a day probably 7 to 9 years from beginning to end.

jamie
April 24th, 2016, 03:14 PM
The day of the Lord is the day of the Lord's appearing which will culminate in the books of Daniel and Revelation. Definitely longer than a day probably 7 to 9 years from beginning to end.


The Day of the Lord (referred as Trumpets) comes after Pentecost, which is the harvest of the firstfruits, Christ's ecclesia.

Robert Pate
April 24th, 2016, 03:27 PM
The Day of the Lord (referred as Trumpets) comes after Pentecost, which is the harvest of the firstfruits, Christ's ecclesia.

There will be seven trumpet sounds.

At the last trumpet sound... "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptable and we shall be changed" 1 Corinthians 15:52.

Epoisses
April 24th, 2016, 04:21 PM
The Day of the Lord (referred as Trumpets) comes after Pentecost, which is the harvest of the firstfruits, Christ's ecclesia.

The day of the Lord is the day of the Lord's appearing. Some of the day of the Lord prophecies deal with the first coming of Christ and many more deal with the second coming and the time of God's wrath on the world. This why Jesus omitted the 'day of vengeance' when he read from Isa. 61 because that will not occur until the seven last plagues are poured out just prior to the second coming.

patrick jane
April 24th, 2016, 04:53 PM
We that believe pray for the Day of Our Lord to come swiftly

Totton Linnet
April 24th, 2016, 05:09 PM
The day of the Lord is the day of the Lord's appearing which will culminate in the books of Daniel and Revelation. Definitely longer than a day probably 7 to 9 years from beginning to end.

7 to 9 or a 1,000 years

The Day of the Lord is the Kingdom of God , Christ comes with His saints to reign, putting down all rule and authority. God will put all His enemies under His feet.

THEN comes the final resurrection and judgement

jamie
April 24th, 2016, 06:43 PM
There will be seven trumpet sounds.

At the last trumpet sound... "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptable and we shall be changed" 1 Corinthians 15:52.


The seventh seal is comprised of seven trumpet plaques. The last trumpet that Paul referred to is not a plaque, it is the first resurrection.

jamie
April 24th, 2016, 06:48 PM
We that believe pray for the Day of Our Lord to come swiftly


It's a time of darkness and gloominess caused by war. (Joel 2:2-3)

jamie
April 24th, 2016, 06:51 PM
THEN comes the final resurrection and judgement


After the millennial reign. (Revelation 20:3)

SonOfCaleb
April 25th, 2016, 07:01 AM
The day of the Lord has nothing to do with the Sabbath day. It appears to me that "The Day of the Lord" is about the return of Christ. "For yourselves know perfectly that "The Day of the Lord" so comes as a thief in the night" 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

And then Peter wrote,"But "The Day of the Lord" will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" 2 Peter 3:10.

Even some of the Old Testament prophets spoke of "The Day of the Lord" "Alas for "The Day of the Lord" is at hand, and as a destruction from the almighty shall it come" Joel 1:15.

Isaiah the prophet said, "For "The Day of the Lord" of host shall be upon everyone that is proud and lofty, and upon everyone that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low" Isaiah 2:12.

"Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in "The Day of the Lord's" wrath ; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all of them that dwell in the land" Zephaniah 1:18.

These scriptures speak of the judgment that Jesus will execute when he returns. We must assume that "The Day of the Lord" is the day of judgment. No one likes to talk about judgment, especially the unsaved, God is a God of judgment. If he didn't judge he would not be holy and righteous. His judgments are perfect and complete, unlike the judgments of men.

When Jesus appears in the Eastern sky all that are not "In Christ" will wail because of him, Revelation 1:7. All that have rejected him and his Gospel, will hide in caves and call for the rocks to fall on them, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Revelation 6:16, 17. Only those that are "In Christ" will be able to stand, not only will they stand they will be caught up to be with him, Colossians 3:4.

The "Lords Day" is already here.....Jesus is already ruling as King.... As you already mentioned in 2 Peter 3:10 the Lord (Jesus) has already come as a "Thief in the night". His presence is invisible as he is ruling from the Heavens. But the signs of his presence are evident from the 'signs' via his prophecys that he left us in the Bible.

Robert Pate
April 25th, 2016, 07:18 AM
The "Lords Day" is already here.....Jesus is already ruling as King.... As you already mentioned in 2 Peter 3:10 the Lord (Jesus) has already come as a "Thief in the night". His presence is invisible as he is ruling from the Heavens. But the signs of his presence are evident from the 'signs' via his prophecys that he left us in the Bible.

Not so. No, Jesus has not returned yet.

Jesus is NOT ruling from heaven. If anything the devil is in charge.

jamie
April 25th, 2016, 07:42 AM
The "Lords Day" is already here.....Jesus is already ruling as King.... As you already mentioned in 2 Peter 3:10 the Lord (Jesus) has already come as a "Thief in the night". His presence is invisible as he is ruling from the Heavens. But the signs of his presence are evident from the 'signs' via his prophecys that he left us in the Bible.



Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Matthew 24:26-27)

Totton Linnet
April 26th, 2016, 03:36 AM
After the millennial reign. (Revelation 20:3)

Isn't that what I said?

Lazy afternoon
April 26th, 2016, 04:02 AM
It's a time of darkness and gloominess caused by war. (Joel 2:2-3)

The 6th trumpet is the sign which preceedes the 7th trumpet return of Christ and the resurrection.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

The following preceeds His coming.


Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
Joe 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
Joe 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Joe 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
Joe 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

LA

jamie
April 26th, 2016, 07:00 AM
Isn't that what I said?


You said the Day of the Lord is the kingdom of God, but it's not.

nikolai_42
April 26th, 2016, 07:33 AM
Not so. No, Jesus has not returned yet.

Jesus is NOT ruling from heaven. If anything the devil is in charge.

Really?

Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.
Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice
Before the Lord: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.
Psalm 96:10-13

The Lord reigneth; let the earth rejoice; let the multitude of isles be glad thereof.
Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne.
A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about.
Psalm 97:1-3

The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.
The Lord is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people.
Let them praise thy great and terrible name; for it is holy.
Psalm 99:1-3

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.
Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
Isaiah 52:7-10

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 9:6-7

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
I Corinthians 15:24-26

While it is true that the world has been a stage to contrast the governments of man with the government of God, at no time has God abdicated His throne and at no time has anything in the earth gone on without His permitting and even directing it at some level. As if to directly refute your statement about Jesus NOT ruling from heaven, He says this :

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
John 18:36

Remember all the parables about the Kingdom of God...remember the one about the leaven - it isn't something that just appears all at once and enforces itself (externally) upon all. Rather, it is there but hidden at first until it works its way throughout the whole "lump".

And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Luke 13:20-21

The external revelation of the Kingdom is the final end of the kingdoms of this world - but the Kingdom of God and its King still rule even if visibly things don't appear to be that way. Things get worse because Satan knows his time is short - not because he is ruling.

Totton Linnet
April 26th, 2016, 11:18 AM
You said the Day of the Lord is the kingdom of God, but it's not.

The Kingdom of God is that Kingdom over which Christ will reign with His saints for a thousand years


...Amilleniualists preach the Kingdom then subtract the actual Kingdom

jamie
April 26th, 2016, 11:53 AM
The Kingdom of God is that Kingdom over which Christ will reign with His saints for a thousand years


The kingdom of God will be established over all of the earth when Jesus Christ shows himself to the world.

Lazy afternoon
April 26th, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jesus Christ presently rules over His Church.

The Father oversees the world at this time.

The saints will rule over the world in the coming Kingdom.

Read Daniel.

LA

Robert Pate
April 29th, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jesus Christ presently rules over His Church.

The Father oversees the world at this time.

The saints will rule over the world in the coming Kingdom.

Read Daniel.

LA

The Father is in heaven. Satan is in charge of the world for now, 1 John 5:19.

bling
April 29th, 2016, 10:43 AM
Day of the Lord is the same as “Lord’s day”.
There were lots of Days of the Lord back in the OT, describing the destruction of: Egypt, Jerusalem, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the destruction Babylon, Destruction of Assyria and others.
“Day” can be translated “Court” and seems to fit better lots of times.

Lazy afternoon
April 29th, 2016, 04:52 PM
The Father is in heaven. Satan is in charge of the world for now, 1 John 5:19.

I said the Father oversees the world presently.

Satan only rules over the flesh as God allows him, and Christ rules over His church, His Body.

God also has an ongoing covenant with Babylon .(Daniel)

LA

Robert Pate
May 1st, 2016, 03:33 PM
I said the Father oversees the world presently.

Satan only rules over the flesh as God allows him, and Christ rules over His church, His Body.

God also has an ongoing covenant with Babylon .(Daniel)

LA

The Father is in heaven. He is not overseeing or ruling the world. When Christ appears everything is going to change. God has no covenant with the unsaved world.

Lazy afternoon
May 1st, 2016, 05:41 PM
The Father is in heaven. He is not overseeing or ruling the world. When Christ appears everything is going to change. God has no covenant with the unsaved world.

Amazing!

The Father oversees the nations of the world according to His Word--

Dan 5:18 O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour:
Dan 5:19 And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down.
Dan 5:20 But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:
Dan 5:21 And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild *****: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will.

1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

CherubRam
May 1st, 2016, 06:35 PM
The day of the Lord has nothing to do with the Sabbath day. It appears to me that "The Day of the Lord" is about the return of Christ. "For yourselves know perfectly that "The Day of the Lord" so comes as a thief in the night" 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

And then Peter wrote,"But "The Day of the Lord" will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" 2 Peter 3:10.

Even some of the Old Testament prophets spoke of "The Day of the Lord" "Alas for "The Day of the Lord" is at hand, and as a destruction from the almighty shall it come" Joel 1:15.

Isaiah the prophet said, "For "The Day of the Lord" of host shall be upon everyone that is proud and lofty, and upon everyone that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low" Isaiah 2:12.

"Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in "The Day of the Lord's" wrath ; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all of them that dwell in the land" Zephaniah 1:18.

These scriptures speak of the judgment that Jesus will execute when he returns. We must assume that "The Day of the Lord" is the day of judgment. No one likes to talk about judgment, especially the unsaved, God is a God of judgment. If he didn't judge he would not be holy and righteous. His judgments are perfect and complete, unlike the judgments of men.

When Jesus appears in the Eastern sky all that are not "In Christ" will wail because of him, Revelation 1:7. All that have rejected him and his Gospel, will hide in caves and call for the rocks to fall on them, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Revelation 6:16, 17. Only those that are "In Christ" will be able to stand, not only will they stand they will be caught up to be with him, Colossians 3:4.

Good job, thanks.

Prizebeatz1
May 1st, 2016, 06:58 PM
The day of the Lord has nothing to do with the Sabbath day. It appears to me that "The Day of the Lord" is about the return of Christ. "For yourselves know perfectly that "The Day of the Lord" so comes as a thief in the night" 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

And then Peter wrote,"But "The Day of the Lord" will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" 2 Peter 3:10.

Even some of the Old Testament prophets spoke of "The Day of the Lord" "Alas for "The Day of the Lord" is at hand, and as a destruction from the almighty shall it come" Joel 1:15.

Isaiah the prophet said, "For "The Day of the Lord" of host shall be upon everyone that is proud and lofty, and upon everyone that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low" Isaiah 2:12.

"Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in "The Day of the Lord's" wrath ; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all of them that dwell in the land" Zephaniah 1:18.

These scriptures speak of the judgment that Jesus will execute when he returns. We must assume that "The Day of the Lord" is the day of judgment. No one likes to talk about judgment, especially the unsaved, God is a God of judgment. If he didn't judge he would not be holy and righteous. His judgments are perfect and complete, unlike the judgments of men.

When Jesus appears in the Eastern sky all that are not "In Christ" will wail because of him, Revelation 1:7. All that have rejected him and his Gospel, will hide in caves and call for the rocks to fall on them, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Revelation 6:16, 17. Only those that are "In Christ" will be able to stand, not only will they stand they will be caught up to be with him, Colossians 3:4.

Nonsense. God is eternal. Why would we wait to find that which is timeless in time? All this projecting into the future is encouraging fear which is passed on generation after generation accumulating a stronger hold with each succession. This is very damaging not only to ourselves and those around us but also to our children and our children's children. We need to quit depending on the past and future for our salvation for it is nowhere to be found but right here and right now in this exact instant.

Also God doesn't judge. A judging God is mankind's projection of their own idea of what they think God is like. We are making God in our own image without realizing its a projection of the personality. Sneaky defense mechanism of the slippery serpent. Don't buy it.

Lazy afternoon
May 1st, 2016, 08:17 PM
Nonsense. God is eternal. Why would we wait to find that which is timeless in time? All this projecting into the future is encouraging fear which is passed on generation after generation accumulating a stronger hold with each succession. This is very damaging not only to ourselves and those around us but also to our children and our children's children. We need to quit depending on the past and future for our salvation for it is nowhere to be found but right here and right now in this exact instant.

Also God doesn't judge. A judging God is mankind's projection of their own idea of what they think God is like. We are making God in our own image without realizing its a projection of the personality. Sneaky defense mechanism of the slippery serpent. Don't buy it.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Prizebeatz1
May 2nd, 2016, 05:01 AM
2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Is God eternal or not? The question remains: How can one wait in time for that which is timeless? It's madness. Interpreting these passages literally undermines the eternal nature of our God. Those who understand this know the coming is right now in this very moment, always and forever. Others will continue to look elsewhere which guarantees they will not experience the Kingdom while alive which is for what it's meant. Please don't wait until death to find this out for yourself.

Lazy afternoon
May 2nd, 2016, 03:25 PM
Is God eternal or not? The question remains: How can one wait in time for that which is timeless? It's madness. Interpreting these passages literally undermines the eternal nature of our God. Those who understand this know the coming is right now in this very moment, always and forever. Others will continue to look elsewhere which guarantees they will not experience the Kingdom while alive which is for what it's meant. Please don't wait until death to find this out for yourself.

Why was the scripture written literally?

Did Jesus purchase salvation for man by His own blood?

Did it happen in time?

LA

jamie
May 2nd, 2016, 03:38 PM
Please don't wait until death to find this out for yourself.


Why? What happens then?

Prizebeatz1
May 2nd, 2016, 03:46 PM
Why was the scripture written literally?

Did Jesus purchase salvation for man by His own blood?

Did it happen in time?

LA

There's nothing that says we have to interpret literally. Why couldn't Jesus be symbolic of the infinite eternal soul? Born pure of a virgin, miraculous, rejected and buried yet still lives. I am not trying to take anything away from the word for word translation but that's not the only way to see it. Yes there was a historical Jesus who lived in time but the deeper meaning of his story is that we are one with God.

Prizebeatz1
May 2nd, 2016, 03:57 PM
We miss out on a huge chunk of our self-worth while we are alive.

Prizebeatz1
May 2nd, 2016, 03:58 PM
Why? What happens then?

We miss out on a huge chunk of our self-worth while we are alive. Forgive my lack of etiquette on these boards.

genuineoriginal
May 2nd, 2016, 04:26 PM
There were lots of Days of the Lord back in the OT, describing the destruction of: Egypt, Jerusalem, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the destruction Babylon, Destruction of Assyria and others.
Yep.

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genuineoriginal
May 2nd, 2016, 04:28 PM
Is God eternal or not?
Yes, God is eternal.


The question remains: How can one wait in time for that which is timeless?
There is no reason to ask that question, since the Bible does not claim that God is timeless.

You seem to have confused a fictional quality of timelessness with the reality of God being eternal.

genuineoriginal
May 2nd, 2016, 04:30 PM
There's nothing that says we have to interpret literally.


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"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Prizebeatz1
May 2nd, 2016, 06:27 PM
Yes, God is eternal.


There is no reason to ask that question, since the Bible does not claim that God is timeless.

You seem to have confused a fictional quality of timelessness with the reality of God being eternal.

Have we looked up the definition of eternal in the dictionary? The Alpha Omega can be interpreted as timelessness too. It is one viable way out of many to see it.

Prizebeatz1
May 2nd, 2016, 06:33 PM
_____
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

I don't think this is helping. What else you got?

patrick jane
May 2nd, 2016, 06:54 PM
I don't think this is helping. What else you got?
We are a purchased possession of God -


Ephesians 1:13 KJV - Ephesians 1:14 KJV -

genuineoriginal
May 3rd, 2016, 12:02 PM
Have we looked up the definition of eternal in the dictionary? The Alpha Omega can be interpreted as timelessness too. It is one viable way out of many to see it.

Have you looked up the Hebrew word translated as eternal?

Nothing in it has anything to do with timelessness.


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קֶדֶם qedem

east, antiquity, front, that which is before, aforetime

front, from the front or east, in front, mount of the East
ancient time, aforetime, ancient, from of old, earliest time
anciently, of old (adverb)
beginning
east

eastward, to or toward the East

genuineoriginal
May 3rd, 2016, 12:04 PM
I don't think this is helping. What else you got?

Your idea that the Bible should not be interpreted literally is not helping, since you can just substitute whatever meaning you want for the text.

Prizebeatz1
May 3rd, 2016, 02:24 PM
That is one of many definitions. There is more than one way to interpret the word eternal. What is the intent with this anyway? Are we trying to find a way to limit that which has no limits? We must ask ourselves why we are trying to do this. Perhaps we are identified with the adversary without realizing it. The devil devalues.


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Prizebeatz1
May 3rd, 2016, 04:04 PM
Your idea that the Bible should not be interpreted literally is not helping, since you can just substitute whatever meaning you want for the text.

Yes there are those who will attempt to abuse the system but we can tell in our hearts if what they are saying is true or makes sense. We know there is truth in the scriptures but we often don't know that it points to us. God gave us the soul as the guarantee of our divinity yet so many treat it with contempt, misunderstanding, rejection and insignificance in the same way they did Jesus. Jesus is symbolic for this part of us. The meaning we've been searching for all our lives is within. The soul is the source of unconditional, infinite and eternal self-worth. The understanding of this higher meaning is what humanity has been missing for centuries.

genuineoriginal
May 3rd, 2016, 05:02 PM
That is one of many definitions. There is more than one way to interpret the word eternal.
You can interpret it or misinterpret it.
One way leads to correct doctrine, the other way leads to confusion.

What is the intent with this anyway? Are we trying to find a way to limit that which has no limits?
The Bible states clearly that God is Almighty.
The Bible does not state that God is timeless.
It is vain philosophy that assigns attributes to God that He does not declare about Himself.


Yes there are those who will attempt to abuse the system but we can tell in our hearts if what they are saying is true or makes sense.
Many people add to the Bible those things they think make sense and do it with complete disregard to what is actually written in the Bible.

Prizebeatz1
May 3rd, 2016, 07:28 PM
You can interpret it or misinterpret it.
One way leads to correct doctrine, the other way leads to confusion.

The Bible states clearly that God is Almighty.
The Bible does not state that God is timeless.
It is vain philosophy that assigns attributes to God that He does not declare about Himself.


Many people add to the Bible those things they think make sense and do it with complete disregard to what is actually written in the Bible.

The personality desperately hangs on to the bible and it's interpretations because of the need to avoid what is infinite and eternal. The bible is good but depending on it for a sense of defense, a sense of existence, a sense of feeling good enough, a sense of self-worth, a sense of foundation, a sense of security, a sense of something to hang on to, is unconscious pride. We take pleasure and comfort in not facing the blackness of infinity and eternity within. We unconsciously judge it as bad and avoid it like the plague. That is one way the enemy fools us so that we never experience God. Please be careful not to be blindsided by this.

genuineoriginal
May 4th, 2016, 09:09 AM
The personality desperately hangs on to the bible and it's interpretations because of the need to avoid what is infinite and eternal. The bible is good but depending on it for a sense of defense, a sense of existence, a sense of feeling good enough, a sense of self-worth, a sense of foundation, a sense of security, a sense of something to hang on to, is unconscious pride. We take pleasure and comfort in not facing the blackness of infinity and eternity within. We unconsciously judge it as bad and avoid it like the plague. That is one way the enemy fools us so that we never experience God. Please be careful not to be blindsided by this.

The deceiver took God's words and added to them in the garden.
Please be careful with God's words and do not add your own ideas to them, thinking you know better than what is written in the Bible.

Prizebeatz1
May 4th, 2016, 09:32 AM
The deceiver took God's words and added to them in the garden.
Please be careful with God's words and do not add your own ideas to them, thinking you know better than what is written in the Bible.

It's the interpretation of the word that is in question. And yes there is a part of us that has access to intelligence that goes beyond the bible.

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genuineoriginal
May 4th, 2016, 11:00 AM
It's the interpretation of the word that is in question. And yes there is a part of us that has access to intelligence that goes beyond the bible.

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Prizebeatz1
May 4th, 2016, 12:04 PM
Again, subject to interpretation as is all scripture. Choosing to take it literally misses the point by a large margin.


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Jacob
May 4th, 2016, 02:14 PM
Not so. No, Jesus has not returned yet.

Jesus is NOT ruling from heaven. If anything the devil is in charge.
Jesus is King, even from when He was on earth.

When He ascended to the right hand of God, the Spirit of God was poured out.

If I understand this correctly He sat down on a throne or soon would.

Revelation 3:21‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

When all things are subjected to Him, then He Himself will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

1 Corinthians 15:27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.

28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Revelation 2:26-27 NASB is also important to me. I continue to seek understanding on these things. This is my best at this time.

Robert Pate
May 4th, 2016, 08:13 PM
Jesus is King, even from when He was on earth.

When He ascended to the right hand of God, the Spirit of God was poured out.

If I understand this correctly He sat down on a throne or soon would.

Revelation 3:21‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

When all things are subjected to Him, then He Himself will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

1 Corinthians 15:27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.

28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Revelation 2:26-27 NASB is also important to me. I continue to seek understanding on these things. This is my best at this time.

Nothing happens until Christ returns and then the world is going to be turned upside down.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 12:42 AM
Nothing happens until Christ returns and then the world is going to be turned upside down.

To help you with this will involve further discussion. I am willing to discuss this with you. I may learn from you. At this time I believe that my upbringing in Christianity is valuable but not perfect. I have spent much time studying scripture. I grew up with a dispensational background but I know about different eschatological views. In these specifically your interest is in the return or coming again of Christ. If you do not already recognize Him as King it will be difficult to continue. This in the realm of Christianity (eschatology). Judaism and a Biblical understanding beginning with Torah is what I desire.

patrick jane
May 5th, 2016, 02:48 AM
To help you with this will involve further discussion. I am willing to discuss this with you. I may learn from you. At this time I believe that my upbringing in Christianity is valuable but not perfect. I have spent much time studying scripture. I grew up with a dispensational background but I know about different eschatological views. In these specifically your interest is in the return or coming again of Christ. If you do not already recognize Him as King it will be difficult to continue. This in the realm of Christianity (eschatology). Judaism and a Biblical understanding beginning with Torah is what I desire.
Are you a jew ?

Robert Pate
May 5th, 2016, 07:24 AM
To help you with this will involve further discussion. I am willing to discuss this with you. I may learn from you. At this time I believe that my upbringing in Christianity is valuable but not perfect. I have spent much time studying scripture. I grew up with a dispensational background but I know about different eschatological views. In these specifically your interest is in the return or coming again of Christ. If you do not already recognize Him as King it will be difficult to continue. This in the realm of Christianity (eschatology). Judaism and a Biblical understanding beginning with Torah is what I desire.


The resounding message of the New Testament is that "Jesus is Lord". He is Lord because he has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15. and now sits at the right hand of God as the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

The law and the Torah have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Christians are no longer bound by Judaism or any religion. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus, Christian now live by faith and not by rules, laws or religion. "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Not only are Christians called to live by faith, they are also called to live by the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:1 and Not by the letter of the law. "The letter (Law) kills, but the Spirit gives life" 2 Corinthians 3:6.

I will wait to hear from you.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 11:03 AM
Are you a jew ?
I may be. But I was not born a Jew. I am a Christian. I study Torah and observe much of God's Law. I am a New Covenant believer.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 11:23 AM
The resounding message of the New Testament is that "Jesus is Lord". He is Lord because he has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15. and now sits at the right hand of God as the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

The law and the Torah have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Christians are no longer bound by Judaism or any religion. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus, Christian now live by faith and not by rules, laws or religion. "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Not only are Christians called to live by faith, they are also called to live by the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:1 and Not by the letter of the law. "The letter (Law) kills, but the Spirit gives life" 2 Corinthians 3:6.

I will wait to hear from you.I don't know that I can agree.

Robert Pate
May 5th, 2016, 11:59 AM
I don't know that I can agree.

The Bible is supposed to dictate what we believe.

I am not asking you to believe me, believe the scriptures.

The Bible is a complete and accurate book.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 12:13 PM
The Bible is supposed to dictate what we believe.

I am not asking you to believe me, believe the scriptures.

The Bible is a complete and accurate book.

I do believe the scriptures.

Robert Pate
May 5th, 2016, 08:05 PM
I do believe the scriptures.

Good, then let the Bible teach you and forget about what men say.

jamie
May 5th, 2016, 08:20 PM
I do believe the scriptures.


Do you believe this scripture? "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it." (Luke 16:16)

Or how about this scripture? "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." (Matthew 11:13)

Jesus didn't end the law, that's not why he came. The Father ended the Law and the Prophets.

Why are you trying to override him?

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 09:24 PM
Good, then let the Bible teach you and forget about what men say.

It is men that you and I have for Bible teachers. Teachers in the church ought to teach the truth of God from the word of God, the Bible.

Epoisses
May 5th, 2016, 09:24 PM
It is men that you and I have for Bible teachers. Teachers in the church ought to teach the truth of God from the word of God, the Bible.

The Law can't save you.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 09:25 PM
Do you believe this scripture? "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it." (Luke 16:16)

Or how about this scripture? "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." (Matthew 11:13)

Jesus didn't end the law, that's not why he came. The Father ended the Law and the Prophets.

Why are you trying to override him?

Jesus came after John the Baptist. I'm not trying to override anyone.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 09:26 PM
The Law can't save you.

True. The Law can't save anyone. The Law can't save me, and the Law can't save you.

Epoisses
May 5th, 2016, 09:29 PM
True. The Law can't save anyone. The Law can't save me, and the Law can't save you. So throw it away then and never look back. Or you will turn into a pillar of salt.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 09:37 PM
So throw it away then and never look back. Or you will turn into a pillar of salt.

There is nothing wrong with the Law. It is a gift to us from God.

Epoisses
May 5th, 2016, 09:39 PM
There is nothing wrong with the Law. It is a gift to us from God.

The Law is part of a faulty covenant that was replaced by a superior covenant. You are an old covenant law monger who rejects the covenant of grace, an enemy of Jesus Christ. Ye will know them by their fruits.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 09:51 PM
The Law is part of a faulty covenant that was replaced by a superior covenant. You are an old covenant law monger who rejects the covenant of grace, an enemy of Jesus Christ. Ye will know them by their fruits.
I am a new covenant believer therefore I believe according to the New Testament writings that the Law is good. It is for sinners, says the Apostle Paul. It points out sin in people, and this is good!

If you remember from the Bible at the introduction of the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB) we learn that the fault of the old covenant was not with God or with the Law, His Law, but that the fault was with the people.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Epoisses
May 5th, 2016, 09:55 PM
I am a new covenant believer therefore I believe according to the New Testament writings that the Law is good. It is for sinners, says the Apostle Paul. It points out sin in people, and this is good!

If you remember from the Bible at the introduction of the new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB) we learn that the fault of the old covenant was not with God or with the Law, His Law, but that the fault was with the people.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

The law of the new covenant is Love. It even says that we will not have to be taught under the new covenant. It will be imprinted on our hearts like a seal.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 10:02 PM
The law of the new covenant is Love. It even says that we will not have to be taught under the new covenant. It will be imprinted on our hearts like a seal.
You have an interesting view. Are you getting this from the Jeremiah scriptures or from something or somewhere else?

To be sure that you see that the law is good, I present these verses to you from the Apostle Paul and the New Testament writings (scripture).

Romans 7:7-25 NASB - 7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET." 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. 13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful. 14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 21 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22 For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 NASB - 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Epoisses
May 5th, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Everything is 'new' under the new covenant including Israel. Do you thing the atheists and homosexuals in the Holy Land are the Israel of God? I don't think so.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 10:14 PM
Everything is 'new' under the new covenant including Israel. Do you thing the atheists and homosexuals in the Holy Land are the Israel of God? I don't think so.

Wait a minute. Are you saying sin taints that which is good and holy?

Epoisses
May 5th, 2016, 10:22 PM
Wait a minute. Are you saying sin taints that which is good and holy?

Nothing is holy in a world of sin except faith.

Jacob
May 5th, 2016, 10:40 PM
Nothing is holy in a world of sin except faith.

I just quoted a verse to you from the New Testament that says that the Law is holy and the commandment is holy, and you referred to the holy land.

Robert Pate
May 6th, 2016, 07:48 AM
I just quoted a verse to you from the New Testament that says that the Law is holy and the commandment is holy, and you referred to the holy land.

Christians are not under laws or rules, nor are they called to live by them.

"The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Not by rules, laws or religion.

Jacob
May 6th, 2016, 08:06 AM
Christians are not under laws or rules, nor are they called to live by them.

"The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Not by rules, laws or religion.

God's commands are for you to obey. If you believe you should not call them laws I am not going to argue with that. I don't see a problem with it however.

Epoisses
May 6th, 2016, 08:11 AM
I just quoted a verse to you from the New Testament that says that the Law is holy and the commandment is holy, and you referred to the holy land.

The spiritual aspect of the law that reigns in the heart is holy and just and good. The NT authors described this as receiving the Holy Spirit and living by Christ's love. The carnal aspect of the law found in the old commandments can never cleanse the heart or make you perfect. All they can do is point out sin and make it more sinful. You can't pit Paul against Paul with his statements on the law. When he speaks of establishing the law it is a command to live in the Spirit not go back to the law written in stone which he says was a ministry of death and condemnation 2Cor. 3:7-9

Jacob
May 6th, 2016, 12:29 PM
The spiritual aspect of the law that reigns in the heart is holy and just and good. The NT authors described this as receiving the Holy Spirit and living by Christ's love. The carnal aspect of the law found in the old commandments can never cleanse the heart or make you perfect. All they can do is point out sin and make it more sinful. You can't pit Paul against Paul with his statements on the law. When he speaks of establishing the law it is a command to live in the Spirit not go back to the law written in stone which he says was a ministry of death and condemnation 2Cor. 3:7-9
The Law is about love of God and love of your neighbor. That it condemns is also good. I believe Jesus observed and taught the Law. You can't be saved by the Law, but you can be saved by Jesus, who died for you for the forgiveness of your sins and that you would be granted the free gift of eternal life and escape from the lake of fire as your destiny. All you need to do is hear God's call responding to the gospel with repentance unto faith, accepting and confessing Jesus as Lord.

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 NASB - 9 For they themselves report about us what kind of a reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.

Romans 10:8-21 NASB - 8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!" 16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?" 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. 18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;"THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH,AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD." 19 But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,"I WILL MAKE YOU JEALOUS BY THAT WHICH IS NOT A NATION,BY A NATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WILL I ANGER YOU." 20 And Isaiah is very bold and says,"I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME,I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME." 21 But as for Israel He says, "ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE."

Epoisses
May 6th, 2016, 01:25 PM
The law is a worthless dead weight to those who live by the faith of Jesus and the love of God.

Jacob
May 6th, 2016, 01:34 PM
The law is a worthless dead weight to those who live by the faith of Jesus and the love of God.

Not a dead weight, sorry. Do you believe you should obey God's commands?

Epoisses
May 6th, 2016, 01:39 PM
Not a dead weight, sorry. Do you believe you should obey God's commands?

Yes.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34,35

Jacob
May 6th, 2016, 01:43 PM
Yes.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34,35

Amen. We ought to love one another.

jamie
May 6th, 2016, 03:15 PM
"The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Not by rules, laws or religion.


And by what standard do we judge the verity of our faith? Our faith must be proven by what we say and do according to what?

Robert Pate
May 7th, 2016, 07:31 AM
And by what standard do we judge the verity of our faith? Our faith must be proven by what we say and do according to what?

Where does it say that we have to prove our faith?

Those that have faith will live by faith in Christ.

jamie
May 7th, 2016, 07:51 AM
Where does it say that we have to prove our faith?


Faith is the evidence of things not seen. What is the evidence of your faith?

Evidence can be examined and questioned. What does your faith reveal? (Hebrews 11:1)

Epoisses
May 7th, 2016, 07:57 AM
Where does it say that we have to prove our faith?

Those that have faith will live by faith in Christ.

Legalists have to prove their faith to God to show him how good they are. They don't trust in Christ alone.

Epoisses
May 7th, 2016, 07:58 AM
And by what standard do we judge the verity of our faith? Our faith must be proven by what we say and do according to what?

You don't have a clue.

patrick jane
May 7th, 2016, 08:08 AM
Faith is the evidence of things not seen. What is the evidence of your faith?

Evidence can be examined and questioned. What does your faith reveal? (Hebrews 11:1)

I once thought you were smart but not anymore

jamie
May 7th, 2016, 10:05 AM
I once thought you were smart but not anymore


That's okay, I'll still get by.

One of the things not seen is the Holy Spirit. How can we tell if a person has God's Spirit?

Will a person with God's Spirit love other people? What if a person is Catholic or Calvinist, should we still love them as a human being?

Pate says there are no rules, law or religion, and for him I'm sure that is true. Would I engage in some kind of sports activity with him?

Not a chance, he would say there are no rules, but is that true? Are there no rules for interacting with other people whether in sports or whatever?


And also if anyone competes in athletics, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. (2 Timothy 2:5)

Epoisses
May 7th, 2016, 12:30 PM
That's okay, I'll still get by.

One of the things not seen is the Holy Spirit. How can we tell if a person has God's Spirit?

Will a person with God's Spirit love other people? What if a person is Catholic or Calvinist, should we still love them as a human being?

Pate says there are no rules, law or religion, and for him I'm sure that is true. Would I engage in some kind of sports activity with him?

Not a chance, he would say there are no rules, but is that true? Are there no rules for interacting with other people whether in sports or whatever?


And also if anyone competes in athletics, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. (2 Timothy 2:5)

Does love ever say mean or cutting words to his brother or sister?

Jesus told the Syro-Phoenician woman that she was an unworthy dog.

jamie
May 7th, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jesus told the Syro-Phoenician woman that she was an unworthy dog.


And what did she do?

genuineoriginal
May 7th, 2016, 06:15 PM
Legalists have to prove their faith to God to show him how good they are. They don't trust in Christ alone.

Some of us believe what Jesus said, others think He didn't mean a word of it.

Matthew 7:24-29
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Epoisses
May 7th, 2016, 08:02 PM
Some of us believe what Jesus said, others think He didn't mean a word of it.

Some of us trust in the finished work of Christ and put no confidence in the flesh.

Epoisses
May 7th, 2016, 08:03 PM
And what did she do?

She pleaded with her Lord until he granted her request. Perseverance in faith.

jamie
May 7th, 2016, 08:11 PM
She pleaded with her Lord until he granted her request. Perseverance in faith.


Do you think maybe Jesus anticipated her faith? I suspect he did.

Epoisses
May 7th, 2016, 08:16 PM
Do you think maybe Jesus anticipated her faith? I suspect he did.

I'm sure that omniscience can anticipate a lot of things.

Robert Pate
May 8th, 2016, 09:24 AM
That's okay, I'll still get by.

One of the things not seen is the Holy Spirit. How can we tell if a person has God's Spirit?

Will a person with God's Spirit love other people? What if a person is Catholic or Calvinist, should we still love them as a human being?

Pate says there are no rules, law or religion, and for him I'm sure that is true. Would I engage in some kind of sports activity with him?

Not a chance, he would say there are no rules, but is that true? Are there no rules for interacting with other people whether in sports or whatever?


And also if anyone competes in athletics, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. (2 Timothy 2:5)


There are no laws, rules or religion for the Christian because the Christian is called the live by the Spirit of Christ and not the letter of the law. Living by Spirit is much higher form of living than living by law.

Under the law I would whip you every time. Under grace and the Spirit I would let you win so you would feel good about yourself.

patrick jane
May 8th, 2016, 09:28 AM
Under the law I would whip you every time. Under grace and the Spirit I would let you win so you would feel good about yourself.

:rotfl:

jamie
May 8th, 2016, 09:46 AM
There are no laws, rules or religion for the Christian...



For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord that we may not be condemned with the world. (1 Corinthians 11:31-32)

Do you judge yourself? If so, by what standard?

Robert Pate
May 8th, 2016, 03:54 PM
For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord that we may not be condemned with the world. (1 Corinthians 11:31-32)

Do you judge yourself? If so, by what standard?

I am not into holiness religion. I am a sinner saved by grace. I try to walk in the Spirit which is the Gospel. God sees me as perfect and complete "in Christ". That is really all that matters.

genuineoriginal
May 9th, 2016, 10:37 AM
Some of us trust in the finished work of Christ and put no confidence in the flesh.
It looks like there is a part that has not been finished.

Revelation 3:5
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Epoisses
May 9th, 2016, 01:50 PM
It looks like there is a part that has not been finished.

Revelation 3:5
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. It was finished before it began. God exists outside of time this why I love to study prophecy. Prophecy is a glimpse into God's foreknowledge.

jamie
May 9th, 2016, 02:37 PM
There are no laws, rules or religion for the Christian because the Christian is called the live by the Spirit of Christ and not the letter of the law.


A family without rules is a family without leadership. A family without religion is amoral and we see the results of that in society today.

genuineoriginal
May 9th, 2016, 04:08 PM
Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
That is a misunderstanding based on a single verse in Revelation, which is corrected by the other verses in Revelation that show it is the book of life that is from the foundation of the world, not the lamb slain.

God exists outside of time this why I love to study prophecy. Prophecy is a glimpse into God's foreknowledge.
The Bible never says God exists outside of time.
That is a doctrine of men and should be looked at with suspicion.