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Word
April 22nd, 2016, 08:29 PM
There are many different theories
among Christians and even them written about in the bible
as to exactly how one obtains the Salvation of God.

How do you validate which one is the correct one?

jamie
April 22nd, 2016, 10:09 PM
There are many different theories
among Christians and even them written about in the bible
as to exactly how one obtains the Salvation of God.

How do you validate which one is the correct one?


Faith based on belief that God's word is true. (John 17:17)

Word
April 22nd, 2016, 10:31 PM
Faith based on belief that God's word is true. (John 17:17)
How do you differentiate God's word from all other?

jamie
April 23rd, 2016, 08:22 AM
How do you differentiate God's word from all other?



By what is written for us.

patrick jane
April 23rd, 2016, 08:42 AM
There are many different theories
among Christians and even them written about in the bible
as to exactly how one obtains the Salvation of God.

How do you validate which one is the correct one?
The dispensations given firstly to Paul and lastly in the Bible. They are straight from God and it's quite obvious when we read Romans thru Philemon.

Read the scriptures in my signature among countless others in the Bible

Word
April 23rd, 2016, 04:21 PM
By what is written for us.

How do you validate that which is written
is the truth?

Word
April 23rd, 2016, 04:23 PM
The dispensations given firstly to Paul.

How do you validate that which
Paul believed and taught is the truth?

Word
April 23rd, 2016, 04:24 PM
and lastly in the Bible.
How do you validate that which is in the bible is the truth?

Word
April 23rd, 2016, 04:28 PM
They are straight from God and it's
quite obvious when we read Romans thru Philemon.
It is quite obvious that you have not validated as being true
anything you have read from the bible and believe is the truth.

Word
April 23rd, 2016, 04:30 PM
That is how you become so easily deceived
all the time in your life.

jamie
April 23rd, 2016, 05:53 PM
How do you validate that which is written
is the truth?


You put it to the test to prove its verity.

Word
April 23rd, 2016, 06:16 PM
You put it to the test to prove its verity.
I am not going to tell you how I validate everything.

You made the statement that insinuated
everything in the bible was the truth.

I asked you...

How do you validate that
which is in the bible is the truth?

jamie
April 23rd, 2016, 08:07 PM
I am not going to tell you how I validate everything.


Okay.

:carryon:

Bradley D
April 23rd, 2016, 10:59 PM
How does anyone find out if anything is true. By living it.

Word
April 24th, 2016, 01:08 AM
How does anyone find out if anything is true. By living it.

Do you live a lie?

I never live a lie.

Bradley D
April 24th, 2016, 08:47 PM
One knows if they are living a lie by their conscience. Do you believe in a conscience?

Word
April 24th, 2016, 09:05 PM
One knows if they are living a lie by their conscience.
No, they do not.
If they did then
they would not be deceived.

Take you for example.

How many times have you
failed trying to do something
then tried again and again and again.

More than you can count.

I fail at nothing.

Because I do nothing out of the will of God.

If it is not in the will of God there is no temptation
on earth that can persuade me to do different.

Because I know it will fail and I will suffer
the outcome of that failure.

And if I am going to suffer anything
then I am going to make sure that it honors
myself and God by doing the will of God.

Crucible
April 24th, 2016, 09:27 PM
There are two opposed core doctrines of salvation:

'Imputed Righteousness' (Protestant/predestination)

and

'Infusion' (Catholic/free will)

Any theory of salvation ultimately trickles down from one of the two.

jamie
April 24th, 2016, 09:44 PM
I fail at nothing.

Because I do nothing out of the will of God.

If it is not in the will of God there is no temptation
on earth that can persuade me to do different.


Well, that is very Islamic. They believe as you do.

Word
April 24th, 2016, 09:55 PM
Well, that is very Islamic. They believe as you do.

No, they do not believe as I do.

They are not born of God.

Word
April 24th, 2016, 09:56 PM
There are two opposed core doctrines of salvation:

'Imputed Righteousness' (Protestant/predestination)

and

'Infusion' (Catholic/free will)

Any theory of salvation ultimately trickles down from one of the two.

The doctrines of men.

Word
April 24th, 2016, 10:05 PM
Here I will help you all out.

At this point in time

There is only 2(two) portals out of this dimension.

2 ways and that is it.

One open up to the Hell of the damned.

One open up to the Heaven of the Holy.

In the bible the portal to the Heaven of the Holy
is referred to as the strait gate.

You must first find the strait gate(portal)
then enter through the strait gate into the way the life
and truth which leads to the Heaven of the Holy.

And to enter into the strait gate
you must have the key to
unlock the door.

1. Find it.

2. Open it.

3. Enter into it.

4. Endure till the end.
The end is when you reach
the Heaven of the Holy.

This is the doctrine of Christ.

You can find Jesus speaking of everything
I have said here in the bible.

Bradley D
April 25th, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apparently you do not believe in conscience. The only time I fail is when I do not live the "Word." Today I have all I need as promised by God. I am blessed to be able to study his word. You seem to assume that I fail a lot. I failed a lot when I was not living God's Word. Today I make mistakes now and then. But I use mistakes as experience. Therefore, one's mistakes/failures can be used as a learning experience. It is only when one does not learn by their experience that they are failures.

Word
April 25th, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apparently you do not believe in conscience. The only time I fail is when I do not live the "Word." Today I have all I need as promised by God. I am blessed to be able to study his word. You seem to assume that I fail a lot. I failed a lot when I was not living God's Word. Today I make mistakes now and then. But I use mistakes as experience. Therefore, one's mistakes/failures can be used as a learning experience. It is only when one does not learn by their experience that they are failures.

I am happy for you. Go for it.

I could care less what you do one way or the other.

The only thing that is important to me
concerning you is that God knows word for word
what you and I say to each other.

Word
April 25th, 2016, 08:41 PM
The less you say
the better off you will always be.

Especially since you have to validate
everything you say.

Look around you.
Do you see the lives of those
who's words brought dishonor upon them?

I would even say
you are 1 of them.

Word
April 25th, 2016, 08:43 PM
All these poor poor souls posting
all over the internet...
or speaking words of the flesh all day long...

They are bringing curses upon themselves.

And they lose the blessing of the Lord.

Do not say anything that is not of the Spirit
or that you cannot validate it as the truth.

The same goes for quoting the Word of God that you do not live.

That brings a curse upon you.

You are taking the Lord's name in vain when you do that.

Word
April 25th, 2016, 08:49 PM
When Satan challenged God over Job

And Job validated God.

Satan lost great power and authority
in the spirit realm from that defeat.

If you cannot validate your words.

Keep your words to yourself.

Because you will suffer
for it greatly in the spirit realm.

Word
April 25th, 2016, 08:54 PM
The less you say
the better off you will always be.

And when you do open your mouth...

be sure God will accept it.

Or you will pay.

More than it was worth to you.

I should not be teaching you evildoers the
knowledge of the Holy.

Oh well...you will not believe it anyway.

Word
May 8th, 2016, 08:44 AM
Faith based on belief that God's word is true. (John 17:17)

Do you have a covenant with God?

Word
May 8th, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apparently you do not believe in conscience. The only time I fail is when I do not live the "Word." Today I have all I need as promised by God. I am blessed to be able to study his word. You seem to assume that I fail a lot. I failed a lot when I was not living God's Word. Today I make mistakes now and then. But I use mistakes as experience. Therefore, one's mistakes/failures can be used as a learning experience. It is only when one does not learn by their experience that they are failures.

Do you have a covenant with God?

Word
May 8th, 2016, 08:45 AM
There are two opposed core doctrines of salvation:

'Imputed Righteousness' (Protestant/predestination)

and

'Infusion' (Catholic/free will)

Any theory of salvation ultimately trickles down from one of the two.

Do you have a covenant with God?

jamie
May 8th, 2016, 10:05 AM
Do you have a covenant with God?


We all have a covenant with God. Some know what it is and abide by its provisions and some don't.

serpentdove
May 8th, 2016, 08:08 PM
There are many different theories
among Christians and even them written about in the bible
as to exactly how one obtains the Salvation of God.

How do you validate which one is the correct one?We are saved by grace alone (Eph 2:8-9), through faith alone (Eph 1:13; 2Ti 1:10), in Christ alone (Isa 45:21,22; 59:16; Ac 4:12).

See:

Salvation (http://vananne.com/serpentdove/Salvation.htm)

As a reminder Word is number 46 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) (http://vananne.com/serpentdove/TOL%20Heretics%20List.htm) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:

Bradley D
May 8th, 2016, 08:34 PM
Do you have a covenant with God?

All Christians live under the "New Covenant."

"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds" (Hebrews 10:16).

Word
June 26th, 2016, 01:05 PM
Do you want
the favor of God
upon you?

Then please God
in all you do.

Do you want
the wrath of God
upon you?

Then displease God.

Ben Masada
June 26th, 2016, 01:55 PM
There are two opposed core doctrines of salvation: 'Imputed Righteousness' (Protestant/predestination) and 'Infusion' (Catholic/free will) Any theory of salvation ultimately trickles down from one of the two.

I also believe in two modalities of salvation: Universal and personal salvations.

Two Kinds of Salvation.

1. Personal salvation and;

2. Universal salvation.

Only universal salvation is free; personal salvation is as expensive as the kind of transgression committed against the Law.

Universal salvation is the one promised to Noah through the Noahide Covenant which the Lord established with all Mankind. Soon after the Flood, the Lord promised Noah never to allow another catastrophe the size of the Flood as all living beings, except for Noah's family, had suffered universal destruction. What about if Mankind turned again as evil as at the time of Noah? The Lord had to raise a new people from the loins of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the pledge or assurance to His promise of universal salvation for Mankind. Israel had risen. Now, as long as Israel remained as a People before the Lord forever, the earth would remain seed-time and harvest and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night would not cease. In other words, as long as the natural laws functioned properly, Mankind was saved; freely saved. (Gen. 8:21,22)

Prophet Jeremiah must have read the above text and connected the Lord's pledge with the permanence of Israel as a People before the Lord forever as long as the natural laws functioned properly, thus, Israel would guarantee the Lord's promise of universal salvation of Mankind. (Jeremiah 31:35-37)

Reading the Christian NT the other day, I came about John 4:22 and I was reminded that Jesus must have read both texts above; the one of Genesis and that of Jeremiah and concluded that indeed salvation comes from the Jews. From the Jews, he said, and not from one among the Jews.

Now, for personal salvation, the bill would have to be paid according to the transgression of the Law; the law of cause and effect; some times as expensive as the loss of life itself. This kind of salvation is so serious that, as Jesus himself said, if we come to the Temple to plead for salvation and we are reminded that some one has an issue with us, we must leave all behind and go set things right with our neighbor and only then return to the altar to plead for salvation. (Mat. 5:23,24)

patrick jane
June 26th, 2016, 02:06 PM
Do you have a covenant with God?
God made a covenant with us

Ben Masada
June 26th, 2016, 02:14 PM
Do you want the favor of God upon you? Then please God in all you do.

Do you want the wrath of God upon you? Then displease God.

The only way to please God in my honest opinion is to obey His Law.

Word
June 26th, 2016, 02:38 PM
God made a covenant with us

God did not make anything with you.

Word
June 26th, 2016, 02:39 PM
The only way to please God in my honest opinion is to obey His Law.

Your honest opinion is wrong.

Like just about everything else you believe
and post on all the forums.

Word
June 26th, 2016, 02:45 PM
It would not matter

if you had a 1000 covenants with God

none of you would keep a one of them.

Not 1.

Ben Masada
June 26th, 2016, 02:52 PM
Your honest opinion is wrong.

Like just about everything else you believe
and post on all the forums.

If my honest opinion is wrong, are you implying that Jesus was wrong to say that to escape hell-fire we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law? (Luke 16:29-31)

Word
June 26th, 2016, 02:54 PM
If my honest opinion is wrong, are you implying that Jesus was wrong to say that to escape hell-fire we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law? (Luke 16:29-31)

Did you hear Jesus say these words?

Yes or no?

Ben Masada
June 26th, 2016, 02:59 PM
Did you hear Jesus say these words?

Yes or no?

Have you heard any thing Jesus ever said two thousand years ago? Yes or no? You guys must be kidding! If you doubt my quotes, why don't you read what I have quoted. It is all there in your own NT.

Word
June 26th, 2016, 03:00 PM
Have you heard any thing Jesus ever said two thousand years ago? Yes or no? You guys must be kidding! If you doubt my quotes, why don't you read what I have quoted. It is all there in your own NT.

Yes I have...and I hear Him everyday when He talks to me.

He just now told me that He does not even know you.

Ben Masada
June 26th, 2016, 03:52 PM
Yes I have...and I hear Him everyday when He talks to me.

He just now told me that He does not even know you.

Do you know something Word? I was planning to drop our discussion because we have nothing to learn from each other, but I am back just to tell you why I can't believe you. I mean, I couldn't believe Jesus would ever speak to you even in a dream. He didn't like Gentiles, did you know that? Especially if they were Samaritans; but to Gentiles in general, Jesus used to forbid his disciples to take the gospel of salvation to. I bet you did not know that, did you? If you didn't, it is in Matthew 10:5,6. I am making nothing up.

Word
June 26th, 2016, 03:54 PM
Do you know something Word? I was planning to drop our discussion because we have nothing to learn from each other, but I am back just to tell you why I can't believe you. I mean, I couldn't believe Jesus would ever speak to you even in a dream. He didn't like Gentiles, did you know that? Especially if they were Samaritans; but to Gentiles in general, Jesus used to forbid his disciples to take the gospel of salvation to. I bet you did not know that, did you? If you didn't, it is in Matthew 10:5,6. I am making nothing up.

I am a Levite.