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Gurucam
April 19th, 2016, 04:11 AM
What do you guys say about the following:

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160410/news/304109916/

Sonnet
April 19th, 2016, 04:52 AM
What do you guys say about the following:

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160410/news/304109916/

Not sure there is much to say is there?

genuineoriginal
April 19th, 2016, 12:26 PM
What do you guys say about the following:

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160410/news/304109916/

I say that website has so many ads on it that I couldn't find the article.

Gurucam
April 20th, 2016, 09:16 AM
I say that website has so many ads on it that I couldn't find the article.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/304109916/ :

This is the 'ads-less' message:

" LUSAKA, Zambia -- Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, says he is not embarrassed over the revelation that he was born from an extra-marital affair between his mother and one of Winston Churchill's assistants.

Welby, in Zambia for the 16th meeting of the Anglican Consultative Council, told The Associated Press on Sunday that the news should not change his status in the church.

"It certainly does not invalidate my consecration. We did check the rules," he said. "It does not make a shred of difference. People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not my genetic makeup."

Welby said he is "not embarrassed in any way" by the news that he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him. "It has not changed me in any way. ... I have the same life history I had before, the same friends I had before. Nothing has changed. ... I am who I am in Jesus Christ and nothing more or less than that. Nothing changes."

After hearing that genetic testing determined that he was the son of Montague Browne, the archbishop said he called his mother the next day. "My mother is someone who is extraordinarily courageous. She is one of these people who look facts in the face. She said if that is reality then we had better deal with it. She was obviously shocked. She said that in her own statement. So we then sat down and looked at how we would deal with it."

Welby said he has the same feelings for the man he thought was his father. "It has not changed my view of him ... Life with him was quite messy, often quite complicated, because of his alcoholism ... I was always aware of his very deep love for me and that is something you don't discard."
"

Gurucam
April 20th, 2016, 09:18 AM
Not sure there is much to say is there?

What is the little that you perceive that can be said? Care to share?

Did Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother have God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law of sin and death and ignore her husband and have an extramarital (procreating) lover because of:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Did Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother leave her husband and procreated with another man so that she could bring forth a fruit onto God (i.e. a child of God)?

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Is it that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother was in a marriage under lust and the law and in that marriage she would bring forth only fruits onto death (i.e. children of the flesh)?

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Is it that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother was liberated from the old ten commandment law of adultery and fornication so that she can ignore her husband and serve in the newness of spirit and so procreate with another man so that she can bring forth a child of God?

Is this it?

Don't you want all those people in unfortunate law based (loveless) marriages to know that they can leave their old spouses and go get new spouses (i.e. new procreating unions) that are founded on love (spirit) and not laws (like the law of sin and death, i.e. ten commandments).

Don't you want others to have this God given freedom, liberty and justification to stop bringing forth children of the flesh and start bringing forth only children of God?

Is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby a Love child? And since God is Love, he is a child of God?

1 John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

It this it.

Don't you aspiring Christians want to know if the 'church' knew things and did not tell you.

Don't you want to know if the 'church' knew how to stop bringing forth children of the flesh and start bringing forth only children of God?

Would you guys (both man and woman), who perceive that you are Christian, step out of your marriage, and fornicate, commit adultery and have an extramarital (love motivated) union so that you can bring forth a child of God like Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby?

The above revelation clearly confirm that this is how couples bring forth children of God.

Did you see the movie 'Braveheart' staring Mel Gibson?

It is a story about a kingdom in bondage under a tyrannical King called Longshanks. Mel's character was William Wallace, a brave and capable worrier who came to free that kingdom of tyrannical rule.

It is very important that William Wallace was very brave. In fact the name of the picture, 'Braveheart' is very important. William Wallace was man whose heart was not not waxed gross and he was also very brave. To be brave is to be without fear. The absence of fear is the presence of God. Therefore William Wallace was a child of God, like Issac. The King was a child of the flesh, like Ishmael.

It seemed that King Longshank's marriage was under law and loveless. Therefore in that marriage only children of the flesh can be brought forth.

In that kingdom children of the flesh were already persecuting children of God. This would continue under any offspring that the King and the Queen had.

The Queen did not love or even like the King. The King seemed love-less (his heart was waxed grossed). At any event he was already old and dying. Apparently the queen fell in love with William Wallace. In the dead of night she secretly went to William Wallace' tent and she fornicated, committed adultery and had an extramarital procreative encounter with him. She was impregnated.

Then the kingdom was to be left in the hand of a future leader who is a child of God. That is a child who was brought forth out of a sexual procreative act that was an expression of love between the Queen and William Wallace.

This child was not brought forth through a sexual procreative act that was done under law. This child was to be a savior of sorts.

This was to end the persecution of children of God by children of the flesh in Longshank's kingdom.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh (children of the flesh) persecuted him that was born after the Spirit (children of God), even so it is now.

genuineoriginal
April 20th, 2016, 04:58 PM
It does not make a shred of difference. . . that he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him.
Yes, it does not make a shred of difference.

Gurucam
April 20th, 2016, 06:29 PM
Yes, it does not make a shred of difference.

You misquoted me as follows:


Originally Posted by Gurucam View Post
It does not make a shred of difference. . . that he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him.

You made-up that statement and somehow posted it (in post # 6) as coming from me. I did not make that statement. I am not aware that "he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him."

However you are saying that it makes a shred of difference that he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him.

I must ask you, in what way do you believe that, it make a shred of difference that he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him?

. . . seeing that the Lord Jesus was fathered by the Holy Spirit and raised by Joseph and we are speaking about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

Should we not take the Lord Jesus' life as some kind of Christian example?

Is it not a matter of genetics? He was fathered by a 'Sir' and raised by an 'ordinary' man. The only advantage (and/or intent?) must be genetics. (same as the Lord Jesus, only not as divine?)

Why would Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby seem to says that, genetics does not count or matter (to people)?

It would not be the same if Jesus was born of Mother Mary and an ordinary Jew. Genetics seems to matter, most definitely and especially in Christianity.

. . . especially when it is possible, for human sexually procreating couples, to bring forth either children of the flesh or children of God.

Abraham had two sons. One was born a child of the flesh (Ishmael). The other was born a child of God (Issac). This was done through normal human sexual procreative sex. They had different mothers. You can't easily beat or change 'born with' dispositions. The child of the flesh persecuted the child of God.

A billion strong traditional Christians do not seem to know that humans can bring forth either children of the flesh or children of God, through their sexual procreative act.

However, the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby seem to know and have this truth, which is revealed in the KJV N.T.

A billion strong are called to change from being children of the flesh to being children of God, only a few make it. Children of the flesh always persecute children of God.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh (children of the flesh) persecuted him that was born after the Spirit (children of God), even so it is now.

Children of the flesh are born that way. It is in their genetic make-up. Genetics seem to matter.

Why would or should anyone want to bring forth a child of the flesh? If a couple cannot bring forth a child of God, it seems wise for them to not bring forth children of their own. Instead they should have someone who can bring forth a child of God, father or mother a child with one of them and then they raise that child as their own. This seems to be the Christian way. However it is total foreign (and taboo) to the billion of traditional Christians.

May be this new information about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby (and the long acceptance of this information by the church), will help to purify, in these last days, what passed erroneously, for Christianity for millenniums among the masses.

1.) It is not wrong (in fact it is divine) in Christianity to have a love motivated extramarital affair, especially if a child is brought forth out of such an affair. At all events only children of God are brought forth out of love motivated procreative sex. God is Love. When God as Love motivates your sexual acts, God is present and participating. If procreation result from such sex, only children of God are brought forth.

2.) Actually, in Christianity, it is a sin to have sex and/or procreate with your spouse or anyone else, if it is not motivated by passionate love. Love-less sex is purely carnal. If it results in procreation, only children of the flesh are brought forth.

Fact is 'children of the flesh' will not inherit earth together with 'children of God', in the fullness of time when God's kingdom of heaven comes to earth.

If this new information about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby can lead to the confirmation and acceptance of the above Christian truth (re 1. and 2. above), then a truly divine purpose would have been served.

This would add to the purification or correction of the corruption which passed for Christianity, up to this time.

False prophets who came in Jesus' name have misled the billion strong traditional Christians for the past 2000 odd years. They have been denied truth. This is changing now. The fullness of time is at hand. Now all previously hidden or covered things are surfacing for all to know, in absolute plainness and clarity.

Seems that all traditional Christian churches will be reduced, very soon, to zero, so as to give way to authentic Christianity. This is the fullness of time promise/prophesy.

Sonnet
April 20th, 2016, 10:26 PM
What is the little that you perceive that can be said? Care to share?

Did Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother have God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law of sin and death and ignore her husband and have an extramarital (procreating) lover because of:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Did Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother leave her husband and procreated with another man so that she could bring forth a fruit onto God (i.e. a child of God)?

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Is it that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother was in a marriage under lust and the law and in that marriage she would bring forth only fruits onto death (i.e. children of the flesh)?

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Is it that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother was liberated from the old ten commandment law of adultery and fornication so that she can ignore her husband and serve in the newness of spirit and so procreate with another man so that she can bring forth a child of God?

Is this it?

Don't you want all those people in unfortunate law based (loveless) marriages to know that they can leave their old spouses and go get new spouses (i.e. new procreating unions) that are founded on love (spirit) and not laws (like the law of sin and death, i.e. ten commandments).

Don't you want others to have this God given freedom, liberty and justification to stop bringing forth children of the flesh and start bringing forth only children of God?

Is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby a Love child? And since God is Love, he is a child of God?

1 John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

It this it.

Don't you aspiring Christians want to know if the 'church' knew things and did not tell you.

Don't you want to know if the 'church' knew how to stop bringing forth children of the flesh and start bringing forth only children of God?

Would you guys (both man and woman), who perceive that you are Christian, step out of your marriage, and fornicate, commit adultery and have an extramarital (love motivated) union so that you can bring forth a child of God like Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby?

The above revelation clearly confirm that this is how couples bring forth children of God.

Did you see the movie 'Braveheart' staring Mel Gibson?

It is a story about a kingdom in bondage under a tyrannical King called Longshanks. Mel's character was William Wallace, a brave and capable worrier who came to free that kingdom of tyrannical rule.

It is very important that William Wallace was very brave. In fact the name of the picture, 'Braveheart' is very important. William Wallace was man whose heart was not not waxed gross and he was also very brave. To be brave is to be without fear. The absence of fear is the presence of God. Therefore William Wallace was a child of God, like Issac. The King was a child of the flesh, like Ishmael.

It seemed that King Longshank's marriage was under law and loveless. Therefore in that marriage only children of the flesh can be brought forth.

In that kingdom children of the flesh were already persecuting children of God. This would continue under any offspring that the King and the Queen had.

The Queen did not love or even like the King. The King seemed love-less (his heart was waxed grossed). At any event he was already old and dying. Apparently the queen fell in love with William Wallace. In the dead of night she secretly went to William Wallace' tent and she fornicated, committed adultery and had an extramarital procreative encounter with him. She was impregnated.

Then the kingdom was to be left in the hand of a future leader who is a child of God. That is a child who was brought forth out of a sexual procreative act that was an expression of love between the Queen and William Wallace.

This child was not brought forth through a sexual procreative act that was done under law. This child was to be a savior of sorts.

This was to end the persecution of children of God by children of the flesh in Longshank's kingdom.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh (children of the flesh) persecuted him that was born after the Spirit (children of God), even so it is now.

I think your interpretation of Romans 9 regarding flesh and the promise is wrong. And also, Jesus said that divorce was only permissible for marital infidelity - you appear to be advocating extra marital love unions for the sake of a child supposedly born of God.

Gurucam
April 21st, 2016, 05:26 AM
I think your interpretation of Romans 9 regarding flesh and the promise is wrong.

Where in Romans: 9 does it speak of flesh and the promise?

I do not 'interpret'. I simply accept the KJV N.T. revelations, 'as is'.

What about Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.:

Abraham had two sons. One was born a child of the flesh (Ishmael). The other was born a child of God (Issac). This was done through normal human sexual procreative sex. They had different mothers. You can't easily beat or change 'born with' dispositions. The child of the flesh persecuted the child of God.

Clearly humans can bring forth either children of the flesh or children of God through normal sexual procreation. Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 KJV N.T. are simply confirming how each of these (procreations) are accomplished.

Human procreation that is done under obedience to the law of sin and death (i.e. the ten commandments) brings forth only children of the flesh. Those who ignore and transgress the law of sin and death and are led to procreate by urging of love in their spirits bring forth only children of God.

A billion strong traditional Christians do not seem to know that humans can bring forth either children of the flesh or children of God, through their sexual procreative act.

However, the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby seemed to have known and had this truth, which is revealed/confirmed in the KJV N.T.

A billion strong (traditional Christians, like you) are called to change from being children of the flesh to being children of God, only a few make it. ('Many are called but only a few chosen').

Traditional Christians do not seem to know that: they do not have to bring forth children of the flesh and then seek to have them be transformed to children of God. None seem to know that they can start by bringing forth only child of God.

Children of the flesh always persecute children of God. Children of the flesh are not destine to inherit earth together with children of God in the fullness of time.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh (children of the flesh) persecuted him that was born after the Spirit (children of God), even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.


And also, Jesus said that divorce was only permissible for marital infidelity - you appear to be advocating extra marital love unions for the sake of a child supposedly born of God.

Where did Jesus say that and to who?

genuineoriginal
April 21st, 2016, 08:01 AM
You misquoted me as follows:



You made-up that statement and somehow posted it (in post # 6) as coming from me. I did not make that statement.
The quote is from your post, don't blame me because you don't format your posts well.



I am not aware that "he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him."

You should have read the quote you posted.
Here is your post, with the words I quoted highlighted.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/304109916/ :

This is the 'ads-less' message:

" LUSAKA, Zambia -- Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, says he is not embarrassed over the revelation that he was born from an extra-marital affair between his mother and one of Winston Churchill's assistants.

Welby, in Zambia for the 16th meeting of the Anglican Consultative Council, told The Associated Press on Sunday that the news should not change his status in the church.

"It certainly does not invalidate my consecration. We did check the rules," he said. "It does not make a shred of difference. People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not my genetic makeup."

Welby said he is "not embarrassed in any way" by the news that he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him. "It has not changed me in any way. ... I have the same life history I had before, the same friends I had before. Nothing has changed. ... I am who I am in Jesus Christ and nothing more or less than that. Nothing changes."

After hearing that genetic testing determined that he was the son of Montague Browne, the archbishop said he called his mother the next day. "My mother is someone who is extraordinarily courageous. She is one of these people who look facts in the face. She said if that is reality then we had better deal with it. She was obviously shocked. She said that in her own statement. So we then sat down and looked at how we would deal with it."

Welby said he has the same feelings for the man he thought was his father. "It has not changed my view of him ... Life with him was quite messy, often quite complicated, because of his alcoholism ... I was always aware of his very deep love for me and that is something you don't discard."
"
Now, for the stupidest thing you said about my post:

However you are saying that it makes a shred of difference that he was fathered by Sir Anthony Montague Browne, not by Gavin Welby who raised him.
:rotfl:, wrong again, bucko.
I agreed with Welby that is does not make a shred of difference whether he was raised by someone that was not his genetic parent.

Yes, it does not make a shred of difference.

Gurucam
April 21st, 2016, 11:58 AM
The quote is from your post, don't blame me because you don't format your posts well.



You should have read the quote you posted.
Here is your post, with the words I quoted highlighted.

Now, for the stupidest thing you said about my post:

:rotfl:, wrong again, bucko.
I agreed with Welby that is does not make a shred of difference whether he was raised by someone that was not his genetic parent.

O.K. I see your point, bucko.

It would have been expedient to indicate that you are quoting from something which I quoted. By not doing this you ascribed that which I quoted to me. That is totally wrong. Simple protocol in 'Use of English' require that you make that distinction. You did not do so.

Fact is I simply use that information on face value. I accept that it is correct on simple face value. I cannot and do not wish to identify with the quote article in any other way. This is why I chose to put the entire article in red and enlarged inverted comers.

I am sorry if I read your other statement wrong.

You said: "I agreed with Welby that is does not make a shred of difference whether he was raised by someone that was not his genetic parent". Is you opinion founded on any or one or more revelations in the KJV N.T.?

For Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, this conclusion must be based on one or more revelations in the KJV N.T.

Therefore what is the basis of your conclusion 'that it is does not make a shred of difference whether he was raised by someone that was not his genetic parent'?

Also he was not simply adopted. He was not simply raised by someone that was not his genetic parent. He was born out a fornicating, adulterous extramarital union which his mother had. And he was raised by that fornicating, adulterous person who had extramarital sex and brought forth a child. Then this child was appointed Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby seem to believe that genetic does not matter. However what about his exposure in that home with a fornicating, adulterous person who had extramarital sex and brought forth a child. What about this environmental exposure?

(I am assuming that his mother continue in her marriage and helped raise him.)

While it might 'not make a shred of difference whether he was raised by someone that was not his genetic parent'. What about the fact that he was born out a fornicating, adulterous extramarital union which his mother had?

And what about the fact that he grew up in that kind of home environment?

At any event, does an apple fall that far from the tree?

Is it O.K. for Christians to have fornicating adulterous extramarital procreative sex? And under what circumstances is this permitted? Is this permitted only when one brings forth Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby?

Is the father of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, ranking with the Holy Spirit? . . . Is it that he can impregnated another person's wife and that child can rise to be a Christian leader?

In Mel Gibson's movie, 'Braveheart', William Wallace did that to King Longshanks' wife, the queen, supposedly to liberate that kingdom. Is this a Christian approach? Is this how and why Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth, as he was brought forth?

Bucko, in the case of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, revelations from the KJV N.T., which support your opinion, must be provided. It is after all, a Christian thing.

HisServant
April 21st, 2016, 12:02 PM
He cannot control what his parents did or did not do... all he can do is conduct himself as he should.

Gurucam
April 21st, 2016, 12:51 PM
He cannot control what his parents did or did not do... all he can do is conduct himself as he should.

However his genetic did come from his mother who fornicated and had adulterous extramarital sex and brought him forth.

Also He grew up with that person who fornicated and had adulterous extra marital sex. It is not that he was separated from his mother who fornicated and has adulterous extra marital sex. And to add insult to injury (of the public) He was brought forth in such a union.

Is this not 'flying the the faces' of traditional Christians? The entire event might be forgiven. However it seem that he must 'take aside' and therefore have only a quite and private life, being responsible for only himself. Nothing else can be risked.

If he overrode his genetics, he still had his environmental influences to deal with.

And then he still qualified to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

This is not simply about being brought up by a 'good and innocent couple.

He is not simply serving himself. He holds a position of influences over many. And we know that many false prophets came in Jesus' name and misguide many. We also know that many are called and few chosen. Can we leave anything to chance?

A person with that background certain has a right to life on his terms. However it is clearly different for one who accept a positions as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

Gurucam
April 21st, 2016, 08:17 PM
He cannot control what his parents did or did not do... all he can do is conduct himself as he should.

Who is saying that he can? No one has said that he can control what his parents did (before the conception of his physical body).

However he possess the genes of a woman who fornicated and committed adultery in an extra marital affair. This is the stock from which he came. This is his 'breed'

The KJV N.T. says that mother and son will not go separate ways. Together mother and son will either 'inherit' or be 'cast out'.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Additionally he was not separated from that woman who fornicated and committed adultery in an extra marital affair. Instead he was raised by that woman in her environment. This was his 'pasture'.

Can one deny both 'breed' and 'pasture'? He seemed to have denied his 'breeding'. Can he also deny his 'pasture'?

Fact is both his genetics and environment exposure are directly and perpetually connected to a woman who fornicated, committed adultery in an extra marital affair.

Can anyone simply dismiss his genetics and his environmental exposure simply by saying: He cannot control what his parents did or did not do?

One's genetics and environmental exposure must either 'taint' or 'bless' one.

One whose genetic and environmental exposure is directly linked to a mother who fornicated and committed adultery in an extra marital affair is surely entitled to a personal/private life on his terms. However, being Britain's (or anyone's) Archbishop of Canterbury is quite another matter.

Let no one fool you, further. Traditional Christians are already a seriously endangered specie because they were misled by false prophets. A billion traditional Christians cannot be the chosen few.

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You were advised and warned directly as follows:

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.

What do you perceive to be the message in the above? Would you say that the fornicating, adulterous woman who had extramarital procreative sex is 'a tree' who brought forth 'fruit' (a child) who is now Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. The above revelation seems to confirm that a son cannot be that different from the mother. I am simply asking this question, based on the above KJV N.T. revelation.

Now if, on the other hand, you say or prove that the fornication, adultery and extramarital sex that his mother did is not bad (sinful) and if you say or prove that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex that his mother did were blessed acts, then even the environment with his mother, in which he was brought up, would also be blessed. And indeed his mother would be a good tree and he would be a 'good' fruit. Can you say these things?

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Did Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother leave her husband and procreated with another man so that she could bring forth a fruit onto God (i.e. a child of God)?

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Is it that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother was in a marriage under lust and the law and in that marriage she would bring forth only fruits onto death (i.e. children of the flesh)?

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Is it that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's mother was liberated from the old ten commandment law of adultery and fornication so that she can ignore her husband and serve in the newness of spirit and so procreate with another man so that she can bring forth a child of God?

Is this it? Is his mother a good tree and he a good fruit because of the above? And if this is so don't you think that you also need to know this truth which the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby seem to have known and also seemed to have practiced?

Gurucam
April 22nd, 2016, 03:07 AM
HisServant,

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Do you hold the belief that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is 'sowing to the flesh'?

If your answer is yes, then this mother sowed to the flesh. Then her child born out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex must be a child of the flesh and not a child under the promise of the spirit. Fact is only a child who is brought forth under the promise of the spirit can be a child of God.

Romans: 9 KJV N.T.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The promise relate to serving spirit and not to serving flesh

Galatians 3 King James Version (KJV)
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Do you hold the belief that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is 'sowing to the flesh'? Are these acts absolutely sinful?

The 2000 year old new Christian teaching confirms that when one serve in the newness of spirit, fornication, adultery and extramarital sex are not sinful but divine (pleasing to God). That is, when one ignore and transgress the law of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex so as to serves in the newness of spirit, one brings forth only fruits onto God.

Are you actively denying and undermining the above Christian teaching? Are you upholding the opposite antichrist and Satanic belief and (falsely) posturing like a Christian? Are you a 'live' false prophet who came in Jesus' name?

If not the above Christian doctrine, what indeed does the following convey:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

It is only if the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby acted under the above Christian principle when she fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex, that: Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby can be fit to hold that position.

The biggest stumbling block that trips up the billion strong traditional Christians is their unwitting, natural and spontaneous tendency to actively posture like lemon used car sales men, so as to defend Satanic, antichrist ideas and beliefs which plague them and society at large.

The billion strong traditional Christians are essentially 'the dead who are burying their dead' . . . (i.e. they are burying/killething their own kind with foolish antichrist/satanic ideas). They are certainly not the chosen few who follow the Lord Jesus.

Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Misled fanatical aspiring Christians are no different from misled fanatical aspiring Muslims. They can both be terrorists, especially with their own kind. The worse terrorists are the dead who bury their dead (their own kind) through the promotion and use of false teachings. This leads to spiritual death and delivery to hell with Satan inside the depths of earth. Plain physical death is not at all that serious, when compared.

Matthews: 10 KJV N.T.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The 2000 year old new Christian teaching confirms that when one serves in the newness of spirit, fornication, adultery and extramarital sex are not sinful but divine (pleasing to God). That is, when one ignore and transgress the law of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex so as to serves in the newness of spirit, one brings forth only fruits onto God.

This was most likely exemplified by Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother and both fathers. And clearly, this was also recognized by their church. It was all good (i.e. the behavior and actions of all were good) but only because their actions and behaviors all conformed to the Christian tenant in Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 of the KJV N.T.

This is the Christian position as supported by KJV N.T. revelations. Only this can be the Christian position. All other justification, slogans and half baked explanations are simply corruption of Christianity and not substantiated by KJV N.T. revelation.

On the other hand, if the mother and fathers of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was not motivated by spirit into this fornicating, adulterous extramarital procreative sex, the situation is totally different. There is no justification for such behavior and such actions in the KJV N.T.

Matthew 12 King James Version (KJV)
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

According to the above revelation, it seems that if mother is good her son will also be good. However if mother is corrupt, her son will also be corrupt.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Not only is a mother and son the same, God also treat mother and son the same way.

HisServant
April 22nd, 2016, 06:27 AM
I'm glad god is much more forgiving than you are.... just look at the 'genes' of Mary.

genuineoriginal
April 22nd, 2016, 12:49 PM
You said: "I agreed with Welby that is does not make a shred of difference whether he was raised by someone that was not his genetic parent". Is you opinion founded on any or one or more revelations in the KJV N.T.?
Why should it be?


For Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, this conclusion must be based on one or more revelations in the KJV N.T.
Why?


Bucko, in the case of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, revelations from the KJV N.T., which support your opinion, must be provided.
Why?


It is after all, a Christian thing.
Why would you think that?

genuineoriginal
April 22nd, 2016, 12:50 PM
However his genetic did come from his mother who fornicated and had adulterous extramarital sex and brought him forth.
Have you looked at the genealogy of Jesus?

Gurucam
April 23rd, 2016, 02:31 AM
Do not be surprised if it surfaces that the highest positions in churches, which are held to be Christian churches, are held by false prophets.

It is very likely to be so, because the Lord confirmed that: many false prophets will rise and misguide many. This can happen only if false prophets occupy the highest positions in traditional Christianity and from that position they fool many and/or misled many.

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Additionally it is prophesied that 'false prophets' will be exposed in absolute clarity in the last days.

Gurucam
April 23rd, 2016, 02:41 AM
Why should it be?

The first part of the reply.

It matters that your opinion is supported by revelations from the KJV N.T. because we are speaking about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. He has accepted a position to be among the highest Christian leaders in Britain. In this role, he is not a private individual.

Also, in this role, he is not a leader on his own right and own making. In this role, he rides on the back of the Lord Jesus in order to have his position and power over other humans.

Therefore, in this role, not only must his teachings exemplify accurate Christianity as confirmed by KJV N.T. revelations, his actions and direction must be totally supportable (and justifiable) by revelations in the KJV N.T.

Both he and you must be prepared to provide KJV N.T revelations to support (and/or justify) all actions of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

One who uses 'Jesus' and 'Christianity' whiles promoting and teaching his own thing is simply a false prophet who came in Jesus' name.

There is a difference in being in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and being a Christian leader and teacher.

One who is simply in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is not answerable to any human. He is answerable only and directly to the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus.

On the other hand, a leader and teacher is always responsible for and answerable to all his charges. All actions of one who accepts and/or claim to be, a 'Christian' leader and teacher must be defend-able by one or more revelations in the KJV N.T. Without this such a leader and teacher has no protection.

In fact if such a 'supposed Christian' leader (unwittingly) leads his charges to hell he will assume the cumulative sin and suffering of all his charges, if he was not simply promoting Jesus' teachings.

If his actions cannot be defended by revelations in the KJV N.T. then he cannot be and is not, a Christian leader. He is simply pretending to be a Christian leader. He is simply a false prophet who came in Jesus' name.

One who wants to teach and promote his own thing must have the courage, like the Lord Jesus, to stand apart and alone and teach and promote his own thing on his own name.

Gurucam
April 23rd, 2016, 10:48 AM
Why should it be?

The second part of the reply.

One who wants to teach and promote his own thing must have the courage, like the Lord Jesus, to stand apart and alone and teach and promote his own thing on his own name. Such a one is not a Christian. However he can be a false prophet who came in Jesus' name.

Fact is Christianity is about unconditionally obeying the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus is perpetually doing the work to earn and keep this position.

By simply discerning and being led by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus one get no sin. This makes one totally not responsible for one's action. In this way the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus, takes responsible for all one's sins. This is the gift that is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus.

This is not about the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus who (according to erring traditional) supposedly died (past tense) for their sins.

This is about the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus. In this format He lives eternally to shield those who follow Him, from any and all their possible 'real time' current and on going sins. This is the Christian life style. In order to have this life style one must literally know and commune with, the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus, in real time, all the time.

The Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus is the only leader of Christians. There can be and is no intermediary leader or leaders. He lead and guide each Christian directly, individually and personally. Also, the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus, is not the Holy Spirit. He is another Spirit who intercedes between humans (according to their individual spirits) and the Holy Spirit. This has absolutely nothing to do with Peter's commission and Peter's church.

Gurucam
April 23rd, 2016, 10:53 AM
Why should it be?

The third part of the reply.

The Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus is the only leader of Christians. There can be and is no intermediary leader or leaders. He lead and guide each Christian directly, individually and personally. Also, the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus, is not the Holy Spirit. He is another Spirit who intercedes between humans (according to their individual spirits) and the Holy Spirit. This has absolutely nothing to do with Peter's commission and Peter's church.

The fact is that Peter was appointed by Jesus simply to anchor his Satanic church among the dead who bury their dead. Peter's church is not Jesus' Christian church. Jesus' Christian church is anchored on the example of Paul. However at all events Jesus' Christian church is led and anchored directly, personally and only the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus, in real time, all the time.

Only foolish uninformed (and spiritually dead) people seek to be leaders of Christians on earth. They are simply assuming responsibility for people's sin and they cannot deal with even their own sin. Simply by leading people one assume responsibility for their sin.

2000 odd years ago, the Lord Jesus rose to heaven clad only in his Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, body. Clad in this body He is 'seated' on the right side of the Holy Spirit. There He is ready willing and able to guide Christian, live and direct and to assume their sins, in real time, all the time.

When the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus assume responsibility for sins of humans, it is because He has the capacity to assume and deal with these sins.

On the other hand foolish and uninformed leaders of supposed Christian churches are unwittingly assuming the sins of their charges and they have no capacity to assume and deal with these sins. They are simply playing Jesus. They do not know what they are doing. They are unwitting.

Most of these supposed Christian leader are of lettered orientation. They are leaders under the Old Mosaic system. They are not Christian leaders. Christianity is anchored only on the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus. Christianity is also anchored on each person having personal communion with the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus, through each of their own hearts or spirits.

Our current 'Christian' leaders have not reached this level of actualization. They are simply pretending or they are gravely misled into believing that they are more than they truly are. They are not Christians.

They do not know the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus (as Paul did). Also the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Lord Jesus does not know them (as He knew Paul). The Lord Jesus cannot and do not confess them to God. In matters related to the Lord Jesus and God, they cannot help themselves, far less to help their charges.

However they are too spiritually dead to know this fact about themselves. They are simply fools who rush in where angels fear to thread. Ver effectively they are the dead who are burying themselves and their charges.

Those who wish to be (authentic) Christians, must actually know the Lord Jesus, currently, through a live personal, real time communion with His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God form . . . as Paul did (starting on the road to Damascus).

These supposed Christian leaders and their charges have not accomplished this level of development. They do not actually know the Lord Jesus. They only know about Jesus who was physically on earthy 2000 years ago. They are on their own. They are not known to Jesus and/or God. They are bible toting, slogan repeating, spiritually dead people who are spiritually burying their equally spiritually dead followers.

Crucible
April 23rd, 2016, 10:59 AM
Sir Archbishop is using having been an illegitimate son to be seen as holy.

Or
He's replying to fault finding people.

I don't know. Didn't read it all; the UK is all shenanigans :rolleyes:

Gurucam
April 23rd, 2016, 11:07 AM
Why should it be?

The forth and final part of the reply.

The serious question is whether the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was led into her fornicating, adulterous, extra marital sex by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Lord Jesus or by her own intellectual and/or carnal motivation?

Christianity and common decency demands that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby make a very clear answer to the above.

Fact is, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby cannot be separated from his mother (i.e. his genetic, nor can he be separated from the environment of his mother who fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex. If this was done under personalized urging (and guidance) of the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus, not only would this be a good thing it would be a divine things and Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby would certainly be a child of God.

If the above is not the case, then, . . . .

To date Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby has denied his genetics. This is a denial of his mother. By this statement he has distance him self from his mother and his genetics. At the very least this is his own open acknowledgement that (for him) his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex was not acceptable. For him the action of his mother were not divine.

The very sad and far more significant fact is that he was the product of his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. So in effect he has admitted his own 'face value' unfitness to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

Even if his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex was motivated by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God, Jesus according to Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 of the KJV N.T. and therefore divine. There is still the matter of his (first reaction of) denying his genetic and therefore his obvious need to distance himself from his mother and her action.

Clearly his church has him on the run. And he is prepared to deny and distant himself from, his mother and her fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. However is he not at the very center of his mother and this fornicating, adulterous and extramarital sex?

Even from this, it is not quite right to conclude that his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex was carnal and not divine . . . although by Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby denial of his genetics it seems to him that his mother's actions were carnal and sinful, meaning that he was brought forth through a sinful act. Yet he projects that that is no big deal.

. . . the other questions are:
1. Does the buck stop anywhere?
2. Is everyone in (the billion strong) traditional Christianity practitioners of lemon used car salesmanship?
3. Are they all selling lemons?
4. Are they all foolish, deluded and lost? . . . all one billion of them.

Please set me right. Give me an informed answer. I would not like to believe that absolute catastrophe.

1. Show me that 'many are called and few chosen is not correct', if you can. Show that one billion traditional Christian have it right, do not err and are chosen. Indeed, show me that Jesus's prophesy is wrong, or.

2. Show me that 'straight is the gate and narrow the way that leadth to life and few be there that find it', is wrong, if you can. Show that one billion traditional Christian have found the straight gate and narrow way that leadth to life. Indeed, show me that Jesus's prophesy is wrong, or

3. Show that many false prophets did not come and misled many. Indeed, show me that Jesus's prophesy is wrong, if you can.

4. Please show me that supposed Christians churches are not 'the dead who are burying their dead'. Show me that they are not burying their physically dead brethren, with Satan, inside the depths of earth together with their dead physical body, for the past 2000 odd years, to wait on the (still to come) physical return of Jesus. Show me that you guys are not dispatching your dead relatives and friends to Satan inside the depths of earth.

5. Please show me that you guys are not actively attempting to, any which way, convert unsuspecting people to your corrupted/Satanic (dead burying their dead) version of Christianity.

Please, please show me. I will embrace the simplest reasonable answer, that has support from the KJV N.T.

Gurucam
April 23rd, 2016, 03:49 PM
Have you looked at the genealogy of Jesus?

Indeed, although Jesus' earthly genealogy was projected to be most worthy, it was not good enough. Even the best Jew was not good enough.

Half of Jesus' genealogy had to come from a totally different source.

Additionally, Jesus' genealogy was so superior that only a few were given to follow Him. Indeed few were capable of following and/or getting (i.e. appreciating or using) His actual message. In fact not even His disciple (i.e. the chosen few) ever got, appreciated or used his Christian message. They all remained spiritually dead.

It took Paul to come from the outside and get, appreciate and use Jesus' Christian message. Everyone else including the disciples and all other Jews did not have the genealogy close enough to Jesus to rise to Christianity. They were appeased with a slightly modified version of the already existing Old Testament system.

Indeed this was Peter commission and church. Peter's church is simply a slightly modified version of the Old Testament church. Peter's church is anchored on the Gospel of circumcision. This is 'righteousness of God that is with the law of sin and death'. This is not Jesus, new Christian church. Peter's church is Jesus' Satanic church were the dead bury their dead.

Jesus' Christian church is totally 'not seen'. It is anchored on the Gospel of uncircumcision which was rendered onto only Paul. The Gospel of uncircumcision is righteousness of God that is without the law of sin and death.

Romans 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets

Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Jesus created two churches. One for the dead to bury their dead and another for those who follow him. The first one is under Peter and the other is according to the experiences of Paul. Peter's church is physically based ('seen'). Paul's church is spirit, Spirit and Spirit based ('not seen'),

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus told him, Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.

The Lord Jesus had two agendas. One for those who follow him and the other for the dead to bury their dead. This gave rise to Jesus' two totally different churches.

Are you comparing the genealogy of Jesus to the genealogy of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby?

Seems that the church to which Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby belong is no more than a slightly modified version of Peter's Satanic church. It is not Jesus' Christian church.

The following defines Peter's church:

Matthews: 16 KJV N.T.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

This is a Satanic church in the service of the Lord Jesus. Peter was identified to be Satan by the Lord Jesus. However he was not discarded. He was called to anchor a chuch for the Lord Jesus according to 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5 KJV N.T. (above).

Therefore, Peter's church is Jesus' Satanic church, where people are sent for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Peter's church is not Jesus' Christian church. In Peter's church, physically dead followers are buried, together with their dead physical body, in the depths of earth, in hell, with Satan. There they wait indefinitely on the return of the physical Jesus. Some have spent just 40 or so years on earth and are in hell inside the earth with Satan for over 2000 odd years. This is the way of the dead burying their dead.

Those who follow Jesus are totally different. They are Christians. Christians do not go that way. Christians differs in no way from the Lord Jesus Christ (except that Jesus is Lord of all). This means that when Christians die they rise in three days (like the Lord Jesus Christ) to be like angels in heaven. However, only the chosen few are Christians.

The billion strong traditional Christian are not chosen. They are simply called to be Christian. Only a few are chosen. Peter's church and Peter's practices are the ways of not chosen. The church to which Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby belong is a slightly modified replication of Peter's church. They are all described as the billion strong tradition Christians.

This means that one should not expect any thing Christian to happen in or come out of, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, his genealogy and/or his church. This is simply the way it is. My post here are simply to awaken at least a few of you guys. I love you all.

The above is truth in the fullness of time. A billion strong traditional Christians have been sadly misled for most of the past 2000 odd years.

How many of you are ready and willing to awaken? Prophesy of the Lord Jesus is that only a few will ever awaken to truth. These are the chosen few.

Do not run with the masses, they can never have truth. Truth is available only among the few, the chosen few.

Gurucam
April 24th, 2016, 08:52 AM
I'm glad god is much more forgiving than you are.... just look at the 'genes' of Mary.
The mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby fornication, adultery and extramarital sex was not with: the Holy Spirit. She cannot be compared to Mary, mother of Jesus. Nor can Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby be compared to Jesus.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby denial of his genetics is very questionable. Fact is Genealogy matters very much to God.

By deliberate Grace of God, half of the genes of the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus had to come from the Holy Spirit. Only this genetics made Jesus significant. Without His genetic as it was, he would be nothing. Genetic matters the most.

Do not be deluded by foolishness.

Do not let Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's denial of his genetics fool you. He seems to be simply grabbing at straws (and issuing a red herring) so as to try to continue to hold on to his appointment. He is simply being exposed for all to see, now, in the fullness of time. This is simply according to Grace of God, in the fullness of time. You should accept it gracefully.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, says he is not embarrassed over the revelation that he was born from an extra-marital affair between his mother and one of Winston Churchill's assistants.

He also said: "People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not my genetic makeup." The denial of his genetics is a denial of his mother. He is distancing himself from his mother and his genetics. This can be taken to be his confirmation that his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex (from which he was brought forth) was wrong.

Fact is people's genetics does not change for all their life. He is not (and cannot be) free of his mother and his genetics:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Mothers and sons are judged the same by God. Genetics cannot be denied.

Do not let Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby misguide you. Genetic matters significantly.

The mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was a fornicating, adulterous woman who had extramarital sex.

Additionally, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is also the product of his mother's fornicating and adulterous extramarital sex. And his father is not the Holy Spirit.

Additionally, according to Galatians: 4 verse: 30 KJV N.T. above, mothers and sons are judged the same by God. Genetics cannot be denied.

The scriptures said: 'Cast out the bondwoman and her son' . . . I ask, in what way is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother different? Do you have an answer that is supported by revelations in the KJV N.T.?

You said 'I'm glad god is much more forgiving than you are . . . '

Your statement is totally wrong. It is a corruption of Truth.

The fact that 'many are called and a few chosen' means that God is not that forgiving. You are simply making up your own erroneous ideas and believing your foolishness.

Matthews: 22 KJV N.T.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

The sad fact is, those who err are not chosen. A billion are called. However form this billion people, only a few are chosen. The very great majority err because they do not know scriptures and they do not make it, they are not chosen. This is straight and simple. There is no room for forgiveness.

There is no forgiveness. It is very straight forward. Each one must find the straight gate and narrow way that leadth to life. There is no bribery or 'functioning connection':

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

If you do not find and walk, the straight gate and narrow way, you will not be among the few who make it.

There will be no forgiveness. Each human will be judged strictly on 'what you sow you shall reap'.

You either have scriptures right, do not err and are chosen or you have scriptures wrong, err and are not chosen.

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

If one sows corruption one will reap (bring forth) corruption. And God is not mocked . . . therefore, it is this way for all. The scriptures said: 'Cast out the bondwoman and her son'

You are clearly posturing like a lemon used car sales man to uphold corruption. And you are deceiving yourself.

Gurucam
April 24th, 2016, 10:48 AM
The Lord did confirm that:

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

It is entirely possible that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is a false prophet.

This is not, in any way, an accusation.. This is an inquiry based on revelations from the KJV N.T.

How do we know that "Cast out the bondwoman and her son" do not apply to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother? . . . . God is not mocked. God does not have different rules for different humans or does He?

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

genuineoriginal
April 24th, 2016, 11:28 PM
It matters that your opinion is supported by revelations from the KJV N.T. because we are speaking about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. He has accepted a position to be among the highest Christian leaders in Britain. In this role, he is not a private individual.

Also, in this role, he is not a leader on his own right and own making. In this role, he rides on the back of the Lord Jesus in order to have his position and power over other humans.

Therefore, in this role, not only must his teachings exemplify accurate Christianity as confirmed by KJV N.T. revelations, his actions and direction must be totally supportable (and justifiable) by revelations in the KJV N.T.

Both he and you must be prepared to provide KJV N.T revelations to support (and/or justify) all actions of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

You seem to be hung up on the KJV New Testament for some reason.

Could you provide any verse from the KJV New Testament that you believe the Archbishop of Canterbury has violated by finding out that the man that raised him is not the man that impregnated his mother?

Gurucam
April 25th, 2016, 06:52 AM
You seem to be hung up on the KJV New Testament for some reason.

I perceive it (the KJV N.T.) to be accurate.


Could you provide any verse from the KJV New Testament that you believe the Archbishop of Canterbury has violated by finding out that the man that raised him is not the man that impregnated his mother?

I cannot. There is no verse from the KJV New Testament that say it is wrong for Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby to be raised by a the man who is not the one who impregnated his mother. You seem preoccupied with this idea. Fact is this not a problem and this is not the problem.

The problem with Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is not with the father who raised him. Also the problem is not that he was raised by a the man who is not the one who impregnated his mother.

The problem with Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby centered on his mother who fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex.

The problem arose because: How do we know that "Cast out the bondwoman and her son" does not apply to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother? . . . . God is not mocked. God does not have different rules for different humans or does He?

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

The problem also centers on Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby being brought forth out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex.

The problem also centers on Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby being brought up by a mother who fornicated, and had adulterous extramarital sex.

The problem also centers on the fact that Justin Welby is not an ordinary 'Joe', private citizen. He is not only responsible for his own (possible sorry) self. He is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. He is responsible for and too, millions.

Also the entire thing centers on the basis on which Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was empowered to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

The appointment and empowerment of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby rides on the back of the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore the appointment, empowerment, words and actions of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby must be supportable by revelations from the KJV N.T. . . . especially since the Lord Jesus warned that many false prophets will rise and misguide many.

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Fact is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby did rise (so be some kind of prophet). It is therefore critical to some how validated that he is not a 'false prophet who rise and misguide many'.

. . . at any event the church to which Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, belongs is far to big to be the few who have it right, do not err and are chosen. Face value evidence seems to suggest that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby might be a false prophet who rise and is misguiding many.

Crucible
April 25th, 2016, 09:26 AM
Does the Archbishop still live in the Dark Ages when it was frowned upon to be a 'bastard' or 'illegitimate son'?

:think:

I don't understand how this is newsworthy.

Gurucam
April 25th, 2016, 10:29 AM
Does the Archbishop still live in the Dark Ages when it was frowned upon to be a 'bastard' or 'illegitimate son'?

:think:

I don't understand how this is newsworthy.


Are you promoting that in this new Age (that is no longer the Dark Age), fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is all O.K.?

Are you saying that, now, in Christianity, fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is all O.K.?

Are you saying that the laws of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex are done away with for Christians?

Are you saying that the fruits of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex are now good? . . . this is the big question.

Fact is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby seems to be the fruit of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. The question is can he be a good fruit?

This 'story' is very seriously newsworthy because: How do we know that "Cast out the bondwoman and her son" does not apply to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother? . . . . God is not mocked. God does not have different rules for different humans or does He?

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Fact is Abraham had two sons; one with his wife and one with his wife's bond maiden. The former was a child of God. The latter a child of the flesh. The latter child persecuted the former . . . also this always happens, children of the flesh always persecute children of God.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Like Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, the son of the bondwoman was born out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. Scriptures says that the bondwoman and her son should be cast out. Please show how and why is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby different from Abraham's son with the bondwoman?

Please show how and why Abraham's son and his mother, the bondwoman should be caste out and on the other hand, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby should be counted among leaders in his supposed Christian church?

Please show the basis of human justice that allows Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother, to be not caste out, (as instructed by scriptures).

The instruction seems very clear.

Can you show, with supporting KJV N.T revelations, why Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother should not be cast out?

I am not coming to any conclusion or making any declarations here. I am simply asking a question. Based on the above KJV N.T. revelation (which seems very clear), I am simply asking the above question. Also I am simply asking for the reason why you think that it is not newsworthy.

Are you trying to cover-up corruption according to your own volition?

Crucible
April 25th, 2016, 10:36 AM
So, making common the fate of Ishmael with requirements of bishopric ordination :think:

I think you all have lost your minds.

Rusha
April 25th, 2016, 10:48 AM
He cannot control what his parents did or did not do... all he can do is conduct himself as he should.

:thumb: ^ This. Outside of gossip, this *news* is not news worthy.

genuineoriginal
April 25th, 2016, 11:21 AM
There is no verse from the KJV New Testament that say it is wrong for Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby to be raised by a the man who is not the one who impregnated his mother.
Then your test of the KJV New Testament has failed your attempts to smear a man just because he was begotten by a man other than the man that raised him.


You seem preoccupied with this idea. Fact is this not a problem and this is not the problem.
I have stated several times that I don't see any problem with Welby having one man that begot him and another man that raised him.


The problem with Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby centered on his mother who fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex.
So?
Bring her before the elders of the city and put her on trial for adultery if it means so much to you.

The Bible says that a man is not to be put to death for the sin of his father and that goes for the sin of his mother as well.

Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Nothing you have said gives you any excuse to hold the sin of Welby's father against Welby.

Gurucam
April 25th, 2016, 12:17 PM
Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby said: "People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not my genetic makeup."

How is who he is different from his genetics?

Additionally the KJV N.T. confirms very clearly that genetics matters, seriously. Christians are called to judge people on their genetics.

Children of God are brought forth to earth through the seed (genetics) of Issac and his generation. And not at all through the seed (genetics) of Ismael and his generation.

The KJV N.T.says:

Romans: 9 KJV N.T.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (the generation of Ishmael), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise (the generation of Issac) are counted for the seed.

Seed is genetics and it matters very seriously. Children of God are brought forth to earth through the seed (genetics) of Issac and his generation. And not at all through the seed (genetics) of Ishmael and his generation.

Abraham's son with the bondwoman was a child of the flesh. This was Ishmael. Ishmael was brought forth through fornication, adulterous and extramarital sex between Abraham and his wife's bondwoman.

Abraham's other son with his wife was a child of promise. This was Issac. Issac was brought forth through sex between Abraham and his wife.

The child of the flesh persecuted the child of God. So it was before, then and thereafter.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

What does the scriptures say about the above:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

The aim of Jesus and God is to fill the earth's surface with only children of God, without children of the flesh (in the fullness of time).

Clearly Christians are called to judge people on their genetics.

Only direct descendants of Issac are children of God. Only children of God are favored by Jesus and God. They follow the Lord Jesus.

Descendants of Ishmael are children of the flesh. Children of the flesh are not favored by Jesus and God. These are the dead who bury their dead.

It is clearly antichrist to say or suggest that aspiring Christians and Christians would not judge according to genetics. It is the first responsibility of an aspiring Christian and Christian to check their leaders for a direct genetic link to Issac.

The character and behavior of the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby can tell if she was a descendant of Issac or Ishmael. This can then tell us if Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is a descendant of Issac or Ishmael.

It is not at all safe to have Christian leaders who are not descendants of Issac.

Fact is only children of God are Christians. Therefore, it is especially important to check up on the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby because he was brought forth from fornicating, adulterous, extramarital sex. This identified the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby with Ishmael and . . . scriptures instruct that Ishmael and his mother be cast out.

It is very clearly confirmed in the KJV N.T. that from among those called to be Christians, only the descendants of Issac are children of God.

From among those called to be Christians, the genetics of (only) Issac's generation is already (from birth) conformed to children of God.

genuineoriginal
April 25th, 2016, 12:23 PM
It is clearly antichrist to say or suggest that aspiring Christians and Christians would not judge according to genetics. It is the first responsibility of an aspiring Christian and Christian to check their leaders for a genetic link to Issac.

:kookoo:

Gurucam
April 25th, 2016, 01:12 PM
Nothing you have said gives you any excuse to hold the sin of Welby's father against Welby.
Don't you hold the original sin of the original father of the Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby against him?

I hold nothing for or against Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

However it seem that the KJV N.T. holds something against Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

He or you need to clear that up. His appointment and authority over millions rides on the back of the Lord Jesus whose book is the KJV N.T..

Seems that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. There is scriptural reference for this circumstance.

Abraham has two sons. One from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex with his wife's bondwoman and the other with his wife. About the one (the off spring) who was brought forth from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, the scriptures instruct:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

This does not preclude the right of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby to be raised by a man who is not his biological father. Also this does not preclude his right to a life on earth (as a private citizen).

However it (the KJV N.T., not me) seems to definitely preclude his right to be a Christian leader. In fact the scriptures seems to instruct that both he and his mother be cast out.

There is another revelation about 'casting' people out:

Matthews; 25 KJV N.T.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

. . . even 'servants' will be cast out.

Do you think that one who is brought forth through fornicating, adulterous extra marital sex and becomes a servant, can be an 'unprofitable servant'? Is this possible?

Can you explain why the scriptures instructs that the bondwoman and her son must be cast out? This can help to shed more light on the subject at hand. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother seems to be in the same circumstance as the bondwoman and her son.

Instead of being disconsolated, crying and offering foolish defenses, please try to shed some light on the (supposed offending) KJV N.T. revelation, if you can.

It is the scriptures that instruct: Cast out the bondwoman and her son . . . not me.

. . . and scriptures seems to confirm that even if one is a servant one can be cast out. Fact is false prophets are also servants and they will be inside what passes for Christianity, so that they can misled many.

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Crucible
April 25th, 2016, 01:23 PM
I hold nothing for or against Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

However it seem that the KJV N.T. holds something against Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

He or you need to clear that up. His appointment and authority over millions rides on the back of the Lord Jesus whose book is the KJV N.T..

To one who was brought forth from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, the scriptures says:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

This does not preclude his right to be raised by a man who is not his biological father. Also this does not preclude his right to a life on earth. However it seems to definitely preclude his right to be a Christian leader.

Oh, put a sock in it already.

I read Galatians 4 and 5, and you're trying to make a law of what is plainly a teaching on bondage vs grace, using the dealing of Abraham's seed in a slave as a sort of symbolism.

genuineoriginal
April 25th, 2016, 01:23 PM
I hold nothing for or against Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

However it seem that the KJV N.T. holds something against Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.
No, the KJV New Testament holds nothing against Welby.

If you think it does, you are misreading it.

Of course, your animosity towards Welby's mother flies in the face of all the threads you have started falsely claiming that a Christian must break the law and commit fornication, adultery, and extramarital sex if they are led by the Spirit.

Gurucam
April 25th, 2016, 02:26 PM
No, the KJV New Testament holds nothing against Welby.

If you think it does, you are misreading it.



That is entirely possible.

Therefore you read the supposed offending revelation properly and explain why the scriptures instructs that the bondwoman and her son must be cast out in:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

What was the sin of the bondwoman and her son. Why did the scriptures instruct that they both be cast out? Is it because that son was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex and therefore, he was a child of the flesh? The revelation clearly confirmed that he was a child of the flesh.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Was this son, a child of the flesh because he was brought forth from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex? i.e. like Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby?

I am standing only on the above revelation.

It seems that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother is in the same situation as that bondwoman and her son. Both women fornicated, committed adultery and had extra marital sex. And both mothers brought forth sons from their fornicating, adulterous extramarital sex.

This means that, according to scriptures, both Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother must be cast out.

This could be wrong. Please shed your light.

Your unsubstantiated statement, "No, the KJV New Testament holds nothing against Welby. If you think it does, you are misreading it" seems to be you begging and/or bluffing. Don't beg or bluff.

Stand up and support your statement. Quote the verse and post your perception of its message next to each other. Step into forthrightness. Where is the err in my reading of the revelation?

In your view: Why was the son of the bondwoman, a 'child of the flesh' and why was the son of the wife, a 'child of God'? And why did scriptures instruct that the child of the flesh and his mother be cast out?

Is this, in any way, connected to fornication, adultery and extramarital sex?

The questions are very simple. Do not put on your lemon used car salesman, posturing.

genuineoriginal
April 25th, 2016, 02:35 PM
That is entirely possible.

Therefore you read the supposed offending revelation properly and explain why the scriptures instructs that the bondwoman and her son must be cast out in:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

I am standing only on the above revelation.

It seems that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother is in the same situation as that bondwoman and her son. This means that, according to scriptures, both Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother must be cast out.

This could be wrong. Please shed your light.


Prove that Welby's mother is a bondswoman (slave), then we can go further.

Gurucam
April 25th, 2016, 10:39 PM
Prove that Welby's mother is a bondswoman (slave), then we can go further.

You are saying that she is a bondwoman? Please prove it.

All the article says is that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby fornicated and had adulterous extramarital sex which brought forth, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. That is it.

And the KJV N.T. confirmed that Abraham also had a son through fornication and adulterous extramarital sex and this was a child of the flesh. In this case the woman happened to be a bondwoman. And the scriptures instructed Cast out the bondwoman and her son.

'Bondwoman' was used only to identify the woman. It was not used to to indicate that all bondwomen and their sons must be cast out . . . or was it? What is your take?

As far as what the article and scriptures says, both women seemed to have fornicated, committed adultery and extramarital sex. And they both brought forth sons from their fornication and adulterous extramarital sex. And it seems that according to scriptures, both sets of mother and son must be cast out.

It does seem to matter that the woman mentioned in scriptures was a bondwoman. It seems to matter only that she committed fornication, adultery and extramarital sex and brought forth a child of the flesh from those acts. And this seems to what both sets of woman and son had in common or need to have in common for mother and son to be cast out.

It seems that the scriptural instruction, 'cast out of mother and their son' applies to all woman (slave or not) who bring froth children through fornicating adultery and extramarital sex.

Fact is, each of those woman could be in any profession or circumstance and that would not matter. Being a bondwoman is not the sin. That is not the reason why scriptures says, cast out the bondwoman and her son.

I do not know and I discern no need or reason to want to know and/or to prove or disprove that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, was a bondwoman. That seems to be your calling.

At any event, whether or not any of them was a bondwoman at the time of their fornication adultery and extramarital sex, does not seem to impact on the generalized scriptural instruction.

It seems that the generalized scriptural instruction that mother and son be cast out applies only because mother fornicated and committed adulterous extramarital sex and brought forth her son from those acts. Do you disagree?

In your view: Why was the son of the bondwoman, a 'child of the flesh' and why was the son of the wife, a 'child of God'? And why did scriptures instruct that the child of the flesh and his mother be cast out?

Is this, in any way, connected to fornication, adultery and extramarital sex?

The questions are very simple. Do not put on your lemon used car salesman, posturing.

Gurucam
April 25th, 2016, 11:10 PM
Genuineoriginal,

Re. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother

As far as the article goes, everyone seems to accept that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex and Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was born of those acts.

As far as the KJV N.T. is concerned, the central issue is very simple. Mothers and their sons are not separable:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

In your view:

1. Why was the son of the bondwoman, a 'child of the flesh'

2. why was the son of the wife, a 'child of God'?

3. why did scriptures instruct that the child of the flesh and his mother be cast out?

4. Is this, in any way, connected to fornication, adultery and extramarital sex?

5. Does this mean that when a woman (whether she is a slave or not) sows fornication, adultery and extramarital sex she reaps a child of the flesh. Then both mother and child must be cast out?

6. Indeed, is it true that what a woman sow, that shall she reap?

7. Does this apply to all fornicating, adulterous mothers who have extramarital sex and their sons, when their sons come from these acts?

8. Does this apply to all women and their sons, even if the woman is the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and the son is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby?

The questions are very simple and straightforward. Do not put on your lemon used car salesman, posturing (as traditional Christians tend to do). Simply go for honesty and straightforwardness. Simply give your opinion openly and freely.

Do not act like one of the billion strong traditional Christians, they cannot be the chosen few who have things correct. They are simply to many to be a few. Also they seem to be always bluffing and posturing like lemon used car salesmen, so as to prop-up their erroneous beliefs and corrupt leaders.

Stand apart with a chosen few and be straightforward, you will have a better chance of being correct and not erring and being chosen.

Remember:

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthews: 22 KJV N.T.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err (and are not chosen), (by) not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

You cannot afford to err. You cannot afford to posture like a lemon used car sales man. If you do, you will only deceive yourself and fail to actually know scriptures. Then you will err and not be chosen . . . so said the Lord Jesus.

Do not cry for and/or prop-up Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby at the cost of destroying your eternal self. Posturing like a lemon used car sales man will certainly killeth you. That is a denial of self. Resist the evil temptation to posture like a lemon used car salesman.

genuineoriginal
April 26th, 2016, 01:20 AM
Gurucam is saying that she is a bondwoman?
FTFY, and you are welcome. :)


Please prove it.
That is what I asked you to do, since you are the one claiming Welby's mother is a slave (bondwoman) by saying that the verse about the bondwoman and her son applies in this situation.

genuineoriginal
April 26th, 2016, 01:22 AM
Posturing like a lemon used car sales man will certainly killeth you.
If you believe that, then you should stop doing it.

Gurucam
April 26th, 2016, 04:08 AM
Genuineoriginal,

According to the article, everyone concerned seems to accept that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby fornicate, commit adultery and had extramarital sex and brought forth a son, who is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, out of those acts.

Also this is all that was made public in that article and it seems to be enough. The rest is up to revelations in the KJV N.T.

The 'bondwoman' thing is your added on thing. It does not seem to matter whether or not the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was a bondwoman.

If there is authentic evidence that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was a 'bondwoman' please bring it on board. Do not ask others to prove what you may suspect and brought up.

Fact is one does not have to be a bondwoman to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex and bring forth a son out of those acts. Therefore your 'bondwoman thing' is a none issue.

The 'bondwoman' thing is not important. The bondwoman thing seems unique to the woman who fornicating, committed adultery and had extramarital sex with Abraham. This does not have any thing to do with the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. Please do not add your unsubstantiated dimension.

The important thing, that is under consideration, seems to be that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, fornicate, commit adultery and had extramarital sex . . . and she brought forth a son, who is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, out of those acts.

Like with the fornicating adulterous and extramarital sex case involving Abraham, must Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother be caste out? Only this is the question and issue.

If under the rules of his supposed Christian church, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother were not cast out, as the KJV N.T. scriptures instructed, it is very necessary and expedient, for ordinary humans to be told how come and why.

Indeed if there is some secret way under which fornication, adultery and extramarital sex can bring forth a child who is not cast out with his mother . . . but instead, becomes Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, everyone should be privy to that information. That seems to be a secret way to bring forth a child of God through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex.

Please do not confuse the issue.

You seem to be projecting that 'being a bondwoman' is some kind of justification to fornicate, commit adultery, have extramarital sex and so bring forth a child form such actions. The 'bondwoman thing' seems to be your 'red herring thing'.

1. Are you suggesting that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was a bondwoman?
2. Are you offering that in her defense?
3. Can any kind of fornication, adultery and/or extramarital sex be justified?
4. If you have a spouse, Do you permit your spouse to do those things?

A woman who is free to choose, can also fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex and bring forth a son out of those acts.

The revelation in the KJV N.T. seems to instructs that in all fornicating, adulterous and extramarital sex situation, both mother and son must be cast out.

Are you trying to muddle up information or to get to the bottom of things? Only one whose arguments are absolute foolishness use 'subterfuge', 'red herrings' and other such things that you are using.

Do not fear truth, it can and will set you free.

Gurucam
April 26th, 2016, 06:14 AM
Friends,

Expect truth to surface, now, in the fullness of time and expose false prophets who came in Jesus' name and who are misguiding many. This is the Lord Jesus' promise to you.

Luke: 8 KJV N.T.
17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

The time is at hand (note this disclosure about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, the Panama papers, the failed Capitalist system, etc. . . . these are all truth, surfacing, in the fullness of time.)

Beware of the likes of Genuineoriginal, who seems bent on being a false prophet and one who seems bent on backing up false ideas and false prophets.

Note and use the KJV N.T., your selves, directly:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

The above confirms, in absolute clarity that when one serves in the newness of spirit, one has God given freedom, liberty and justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex. One will get no sin but instead be glorified by God and one will bring forth a child of God.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

It seems that the church of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby used the above revelation to not cast out Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother and instead appoint and keep Justin Welby as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

The above revelation confirms, very clearly: When one serves in the 'newness of spirit', fornicating, adultery and extramarital sex are 'blessed by God' actions. One is glorified by God and one brings forth a child of God.

Please check this for your own good edification.

Let us hope that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was led into her fornication, adultery and extramarital sex because she was serving in the newness of spirit.

Genuineoriginal seems to be among the dead who are actively seeking to bury their dead. He is blinding and deceiving those who take him seriously. He is denying and undermining simple KJV N.T. revelations.

He seems to be serving Satan and recruiting for Satan. Please ignore him and his antichrist/anti-scriptures rhetoric. Instead go directly to and use only, the KJV N.T. . . . for your own good.

genuineoriginal
April 26th, 2016, 09:59 AM
The 'bondwoman' thing is your added on thing.
When I asked you for the verses from the New Testament that showed why you object to Welby, you posted the verse about the bondwoman.

I showed that it does not apply, but you seem to be unable to come up with any other verse to justify your ridiculous ranting.

Find another verse, and we can discuss it.

Gurucam
April 26th, 2016, 02:45 PM
When I asked you for the verses from the New Testament that showed why you object to Welby, you posted the verse about the bondwoman.

I showed that it does not apply, but you seem to be unable to come up with any other verse to justify your ridiculous ranting.

Find another verse, and we can discuss it.

Under grace of God, now, in the fullness of time, it was revealed for all to know that: the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex to bring forth, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. This is the facts as admitted by all.

The surfacing of this information at this critical time should not be surprising:

Luke: 8 KJV N.T.
17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

The Lord and God grant this favor, now in the fullness of time, among so many other disclosures of truth. And you do not want to find out if, 'cast out, both, the fornicating, adulterous woman who had extramarital sex and her son who was born out of those actions', must apply to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother. God is not mocked, what a woman sows that shall she bring forth.

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man (i.e. woman too) soweth, that shall he (or she) also reap.

Instead you are trying to cover it up.

The least that an interested and aspiring Christian must do is, request that the church to which Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby belongs, confirm/disclose their rules.

Matthews: 21 KJV N.T.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

It does not seem likely that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, who fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex, would bring forth the required fruit, through that pathway.

How indeed, does a woman bring forth a good fruit? Is it through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex?

Should we not look into this whole affair properly?

Gurucam
April 26th, 2016, 03:13 PM
This is a further caution, a possible red flag:

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.

What do you perceive to be the message in the above?

Would you say that the fornicating, adulterous woman who had extramarital procreative sex is 'a tree' who brought forth 'fruit' (a child) who is now Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

Can we know a child by knowing his or her mother?

The above seems to say: if the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was a 'bad tree', then Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is a 'bad fruit'.

Luke: 6 KJV N.T.
43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
45 A good man (or woman) out of the good treasure of his (or her) heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man (or woman) out of the evil treasure of his (or her) heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Gurucam
April 26th, 2016, 03:30 PM
Fact is the Lord Jesus was contaminated by his human genetic. In his physical, 'seen' and temporal, body he was the son of man.

Luke: 12 KJV N.T.
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

The Lord Jesus was no big thing as the son of man. This was purely because of the half of his genetics which he inherited from his mother. The physical Jesus could not deny, dismiss and/or distance himself from his human genetic. Jesus' genetic determined and controlled who he was.

It was also heavily promoted that mother Mary was a virgin and an all round 'good' woman . . . because genetics mattered and matters. This was all a testimony or declaration, of the 'good genes' that Jesus will inherit.

Also the Lord Jesus was born of mother Mary and the Holy Spirit because genetics mattered and matters. Without the genetics of the Holy Spirit there could be no Jesus. All they would have had was an ordinary spiritually dead human (Jew?).

However Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby can deny, dismiss and/or distance himself from his human genetic and his mother. How unfortunate is that. And foolish people are buying into and defending that, simply on face value.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex of his mother, . . . so it is expedient that he distance himself from his genetics and so 'dishonor' and 'curse' his mother . . . for his own survival:

Matthew: 15 King James Version (KJV)
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

The physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus was genetically, man and Holy Spirit. He might be blasphemed and one shall be forgiven.

However the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus is very different because 'genetically, He is the pure son of the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus was not lord. He is not our Lord. Since 2000 odd years ago, the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal Son of God Jesus is Lord.

2 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

genuineoriginal
April 26th, 2016, 04:27 PM
Under grace of God, now, in the fullness of time. it was revealed for all to know that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex to bring forth, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man (i.e. woman too) soweth, that shall he (or she) also reap.

Instead you are trying to cover it up.
I am not trying to cover it up.

I am trying to understand why you are so determined to hold Welby accountable for the actions of his mother.

Gurucam
April 26th, 2016, 07:44 PM
Why indeed would Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby say: "People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not my genetic makeup."

It must be to distance himself from his mother. Why would he do that . . . because she fornicated, committed adultery and extramarital sex to bring him forth . . . and he perceives that to be wrong. So he is attempting to run and hide from his genes and his mother.

However authentic Christians must and will judge him on his genetics . . . because genetics matters. Jesus was Jesus because of his genetics . . . Jesus was Jesus because he had the genes of a good woman (mother Mary) and he also had the genes of the Holy Spirit.

Without that genealogy Jesus would not be Jesus.

Gurucam
April 26th, 2016, 07:54 PM
I am not trying to cover it up.

You are attempting a cover up and a baseless, boldface and corrupt one at that.


I am trying to understand why you are so determined to hold Welby accountable for the actions of his mother.

1. Simply because 'a fruit does not fall far from its tree'.

2. Simply because Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth through his mother's fornication adultery and extramarital sex . . . and the fruit (child) of a woman is like the woman:

Luke: 6 KJV N.T.
43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

3. Simply put: according to the KJV N.T., if the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt, then Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt.

According to the KJV N.T. and Christianity, a corrupt mother can bring forth only a corrupt child.

This is why a virgin who was actually, a totally good woman was called to bring forth Jesus. It was not an arbitrary thing. It was not slackness. Genetic mattered. This is so absolute clear.

This means that, as far as Christianity goes, if you want to prove that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is good, then you must prove that his mother is good . . . because, as far as Christianity goes, if his mother is not good, he cannot be good.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby said: "People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not my genetic makeup."

Christianity is not simply about judging someone on what he do.

Matthews: 5 KJV N.T.
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

He is certainly trying to pull the wool over the eyes of his followers. He mention only what 'he do'. He did not mentions his 'not seen' doings.

One's heart is closely linked to one's genetics. One's genetics are one natural and inherent tendencies. One's genetics are heredity. They are determined in part by one's mother.

If one's mother has fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex, that genetic tendency will be in her son.

If the son does not physically fornicate, commit adultery and/or have extramarital sex, he could still practice those things, abstractly, in his heart (and only he would know). No one can judge him on that practice. And indeed, he would have that tendency, naturally.

How could or would an aspiring Christian trust Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby who has that genetic weakness?

Christians cannot know his heart and/or what he does in his heart.

However by knowing about the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, one would know the genetics predispositions of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. And that genetic predisposition, is not at all palatable.

That genetic predisposition is not acceptable in one who is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. It is to risky for his charges. He does not have to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

He should have long excused himself.

Indeed it is best that he resign for the good of all. He has been compromised. He can continue to have a private life on his terms. It is not like he is God's only supposed gift to that church.

I suspect that he will eventually resign, like it or not.

Gurucam
April 27th, 2016, 03:41 AM
genuineoriginal,

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby said: "People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not my genetic makeup."

That seems to be a seriously contradictory statement. When it comes to making a judgment, 'who I am' and 'my genetic makeup' is the same or at least mostly the same.

His statement seems equivalent to: "People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not on who I am."

Fact is 'judging' happens only through genetic expression whether physically expressed or 'heart' expressed, i.e. whether the genetic expressions are 'seen' or 'not seen'.

Matthews: 5 KJV N.T.
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

He seems to be attempting 'to pull the wool over the eyes' of his charges who he must believe to be foolish.

I have already dealt, fully, with the part of his statement, 'judging what I do'. I did so in the previous post.

He totally fails to mention the possible 'not seen' or (in his heart or hidden) expression of his particular predisposing genetic make up.

It is well known that some priests (probably in spite of their best deliberation) are over come or overpowered by their lustful genetic predisposition and physically prey on their most vulnerable charges. However these lustful genetic predisposition must have been simmering, unseen or 'not seen' in their hearts for much longer, before.

'Many are called and few chosen' because few are able to override or overcome their undesirable 'born with' genetics predispositions and tendencies.

In the case of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby it is widely know that one of his predisposing genetic tendency can be fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. Seems that he does not practice these physically. However how will his charges judge or know, whether or not he practice those in his 'heart'.

It is not at all reasonable and/or necessary to put or keep, his charges in that unfortunate predicament. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is only a simple man who can and must be replaced, for the good of millions.

Why your big fight to keep him there under these serious circumstances and serious risk factors?

It seems that he can be justly given the benefits of all doubts only if he resigns and goes quietly into a private life.

Seems that both he and you are simply being bold, brazen and fast and loose with truth.

genuineoriginal
April 27th, 2016, 04:58 AM
You are attempting a cover up and a baseless, boldface and corrupt one at that.



1. Simply because 'a fruit does not fall far from its tree'.

2. Simply because Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth through his mother's fornication adultery and extramarital sex . . . and the fruit (child) of a woman is like the woman:

Luke: 6 KJV N.T.
43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

3. Simply put: according to the KJV N.T., if the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt, then Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt.

According to the KJV N.T. and Christianity, a corrupt mother can bring forth only a corrupt child.

This is why a virgin who was actually, a totally good woman was called to bring forth Jesus. It was not an arbitrary thing. It was not slackness. Genetic mattered. This is so absolute clear.

This means that, as far as Christianity goes, if you want to prove that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is good, then you must prove that his mother is good . . . because, as far as Christianity goes, if his mother is not good, he cannot be good.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby said: "People will judge me on who I am and on what I do, not my genetic makeup."

Christianity is not simply about judging someone on what he do.

Matthews: 5 KJV N.T.
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

He is certainly trying to pull the wool over the eyes of his followers. He mention only what 'he do'. He did not mentions his 'not seen' doings.

One's heart is closely linked to one's genetics. One's genetics are one natural and inherent tendencies. One's genetics are heredity. They are determined in part by one's mother.

If one's mother has fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex, that genetic tendency will be in her son.

If the son does not physically fornicate, commit adultery and/or have extramarital sex, he could still practice those things, abstractly, in his heart (and only he would know). No one can judge him on that practice. And indeed, he would have that tendency, naturally.

How could or would an aspiring Christian trust Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby who has that genetic weakness?

Christians cannot know his heart and/or what he does in his heart.

However by knowing about the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, one would know the genetics predispositions of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. And that genetic predisposition, is not at all palatable.

That genetic predisposition is not acceptable in one who is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. It is to risky for his charges. He does not have to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

He should have long excused himself.

Indeed it is best that he resign for the good of all. He has been compromised. He can continue to have a private life on his terms. It is not like he is God's only supposed gift to that church.

I suspect that he will eventually resign, like it or not.



If that is how you feel, you should just stop pretending to be a Christian.

Gurucam
April 27th, 2016, 02:52 PM
genuineoriginal,

Your idea that the genes of a mother is not in her child is ludicrous and simplistic.

Fact is everyone's genetics is directly inherited from his or her past generations in a well established old and well known scientific formulae.

Fact is at least 25% of the genes of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is directly, of his mother, who fornicated, committed adultery and had marital sex to bring him forth. Also another 25% is also directly of his father who participated in that fornication adultery and extramarital sex to bring him forth.

It was no Holy Spirit conception, like Jesus'. It was a fornicating, adulterous and extramarital sex, conception by two ordinary humans.

Ordinary logic, modern science and revelations in the KJV N.T. all confirms that 'like mother, like son.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby seems to be simply denying his genes and his mother conveniently. And that seems sinful and punishable and a very bad example, as Christian behavior goes:

Matthew: 15 King James Version (KJV)
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

He is already on the run. And he can be expected to make more foolish anti-scripture pronouncement.

Fact is, try as he may, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, cannot actually distance himself from his mother's fornicating, adultery and extramarital sex. His mother certainly passed on her genes to him.

His mother's disposition is with him, as a (or his) predisposition. He is at the very center of it. And her disposition is at his center. Indeed, he is part and pastel of it. To compound it, he was brought forth by (born out of) those actions.

Fact is, it is very possible to bring forth either a child of the flesh or a child of God. Abraham fully demonstrated this fact. He had two sons. One was born a child of the flesh and one was a child of God. Do you know how this happened? Do you want to find out if fornication, adultery and extramarital sex results in bring forth children of the flesh?

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby distanced himself from his genes and his mother. However, Christianity and being a child of God is all about seed (i.e. genetic and/or parental background).

Romans: 9 KJV N.T.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (i.e. Ishmael and his generation), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise (i.e. Issac and his generation) are counted for the seed.

Seems that it is all about being born to the correct mother and father . . . this is the Christian truth . . . which you are denying and undermining.

Christianity and being a child of God is all about 'seed' or genetic or who (i.e. which mother and father) you are born off.

Christianity is about children of God and bringing forth children of God. Being a Christian and a child of God is all about being born from the right 'seed', i.e. about being born from the right mother.

It seems very 'iffy' if one is born from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex like Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. This is the simple truth which every aspiring Christian should and must know.

The question is, would fornication, adultery and extra marital sex bring forth a child of the flesh, like Ishmael or a child of God, like Issac. This is the simple question that you cannot face up too.

The answer that you perceive to be reasonable and logical, seems to be destroying you, within. So you posture like a lemon used car sales man. And continue to draw 'red herrings'.

I must ask, were you brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex? How do you feel about fornication, adultery and extramarital sex?

genuineoriginal
April 27th, 2016, 04:46 PM
Gurucam,

How many other people are you planning on persecuting for the sins of their mothers and fathers?

glassjester
April 27th, 2016, 07:15 PM
Fact is, try as he may, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, cannot actually distance himself from his mother's fornicating, adultery and extramarital sex. His mother certainly passed on her genes to him.

His mother's disposition is with him, as a (or his) predisposition. He is at the very center of it. And her disposition is at his center. Indeed, he is part and pastel of it. To compound it, he was brought forth by (born out of) those actions.

Has your mother ever sinned?

Gurucam
April 28th, 2016, 01:55 AM
Gurucam,

How many other people are you planning on persecuting for the sins of their mothers and fathers?


Has your mother ever sinned?

Only Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, matters here. Private individuals do not matter.

The Lord warned:

Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is a prophet in charge of millions. He is therefore a prophet in charge of many. Therefore he can be a false prophet who is misleading many. The risk is present.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, possesses the first and second requirement to be 'a false prophet who rise and deceive many'. (1.) He 'rise' as a prophet and (2.) he is a prophet to many (very many, millions). This is why he is under scrutiny. He can easily be a 'false prophet' in the above context. He must be looked at with 'hawk eyes'.

On the other hand I and similar others, have no more than a very few, if any, followers. We do not have the primary and most basic requirement to be 'a false prophet who misled many'.

Fact is, according to the KJV N.T., 'false prophets' would always be (and are) in charge of many. Authentic prophets are always in charge of few.

If Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, was in charge of a few, then he could not be a false prophet who rise and deceive many. However he is charge of many. Indeed he did rise to be a prophet in charge of many. Therefore Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, can be 'a false prophet who rise and deceive many. He must be looked at with 'hawk eyes'.

Therefore, to start with, based simply on the above KJV N.T. revelation (and not me): Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is in a very bad and suspect circumstance and place . . . simply by being 'one who rise to be a 'prophet' to millions (many people)'.

When it is confirmed (through grace of God, now, in the fullness of time) that he was brought forth (born) through his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, then another very serious red flag has surface. When a red flag is planted on a beach, it marks a very bad current in the water.

At this 'fullness of time' point, right thinking authentic Christians will not simply jump in and seek to cover-up things. They will not want to preserve the past hellish status quo. They will know that God's kingdom of heaven has started its descent to earth and things are transforming.

They will know that, under grace of God, the Old must and will die to give way to the New. This is not about the Old transforming to be the New. Authentic Christians will know that things that were hidden before is being brought to light, under increasing grace of God.

They will not take the recent disclosure about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, lightly. This information cannot to swept under the rug.

Authentic Christians will be very concerned about the millions of unsuspecting followers under the leadership of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. They will be concerned, not only because false prophets will rise and misled many but also because:

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Indeed, the church which Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, leads (or is the prophet to) is certainly not a church of a few. His followers cannot be chosen few. His church of millions of people, cannot be the chosen few who have truth and therefore do not err and are 'chosen few.

'Red flags' are surfacing, now, in the fullness of time, under Grace of God, with increasing plainness and clarity so as to lead all to truth and Truth.

However, Jesus' prophesy, as recorded in the KJV N.T. is that the very great majority of the billion or so who are called to Christianity will not heed his warnings and they will not recognize His signs.

They did not, do not and will not, seek truth according to His pure messages in the KJV N.T. Therefore they will not recognize His 'fullness of time' signs. Instead they will continue to be totally and irrationally taken in with false prophets who lead the masses (the many). And they will defend false prophets any which way.

Gurucam
April 28th, 2016, 03:28 AM
genuineoriginal and glassjester,

The sad fact is that the billion or so who are called Christians are being divided as we speak.

Of these billion who are called to Christianity only a few will make it, i.e. only a few are being chosen. This is based on Jesus' prophesy:

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

This division is being done according to:

Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Goats are the very great majority of those called to Christianity. They are members of large churches. They are under leaders of large numbers of followers. They are under leaders like Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. And they are in churches like the one which Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, leads.

Sheep are only a few. They are the chosen few. They are the few voices delivering authentic KJV N.T. truth, in the wilderness.

Matthew: 3 KJV N.T.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the Prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wildernes, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.”

At this point, it seems that, the voice in the wilderness is behind the recent public disclosure about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

I urge you to not dismiss this disclosure by simply saying Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is not responsible for his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. Many people are probably brought forth in that way. However because they do not rise to be a prophet of many (millions) in a huge church, it does not concern anyone else.

No one is arguing against, 'Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is not responsible for his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex', because that is not the point.

The red flag is that the circumstance of his birth resembles the case of Abraham, when he brought forth a child of the flesh who denied and persecuted the child of God. Fact is children of the flesh are goats. Where as children of God are sheep. And sheep are authentic Christians. So you should understand the concern.

. . . you guys are denying Jesus' voice in the wilderness so as to prop-up Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, any which way. Fact is:

Mark:4 KJV N.T.
22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

Please take the disclosure with the Grace that it deserves.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is the leader of many (millions) who (by their sheer numbers) cannot be the chosen few, who are Christians. These millions cannot be the few who have truth. These millions are called and not yet chosen. They must be helped, any which way.

Based on the above KJV N.T. revelation, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby can easily be a false prophet who is misleading many.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is of very little significance in this matter. The disclosed about his was done for expediency, for the benefit of the masses. In fact he could easily be a very serious liability. He must be put under very (actualized and) powerful microscopes . . . and so be it.

genuineoriginal
April 28th, 2016, 12:14 PM
Only Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, matters here. Private individuals do not matter.
Welby doesn't matter at all.

What matters is that you are willing to overturn one of the fundamental principles of Christianity to justify your persecution of a man for the sins of his mother.

Stop being a goat.

Gurucam
April 28th, 2016, 02:29 PM
Welby doesn't matter at all.

What matters is that you are willing to overturn one of the fundamental principles of Christianity to justify your persecution of a man for the sins of his mother.

Stop being a goat.
Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is just one man, in charge of millions. He cannot matter. As "Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury", Justin Welby is very very very very dispensable.

In additions to being just a man he is a man born from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex.

If it is expedient, Justin Welby can be 'Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury' today and totally gone from that post, tomorrow. Pray tell, what is the big deal.

For Christians, there is only one Lord that is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus. And there is only one God, the Father. Every one and every thing else is totally dispensable and disposable.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 but he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Romans: 9 KJV N.T.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Why are you being a false prophet who came in Jesus? Why are you denying the above very clear revelation which confirms that genes (i.e. who and what your mother and father are), directly determine who you are. (Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, included)

The above seems to confirm very clearly that: if one is born out of the fornication, adultery and extra marital sex of his parent then (like Ishmael) one is a child of the flesh who must be 'cast out'.

On the other hand one who is born out of marital sex is a child of God, like Issac, and will 'inherit'

The revelation also confirm very clearly that only the generation of Issac has the seed to bring forth children of God. Only one who is parented by a descendant of Issac can be a born child of God, who inherits.

However all who are brought forth from descendants of Ishmael are children of the flesh who are cast out.

Therefore the instruction from the KJV N.T. in the above revelation, is very clear. Mother and father determine the child. A son brought forth out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex must be a born child of the flesh and not a born child of God.

Why are you desecrating and denying the KJV N.T. and simultaneously claiming to be Christian?

I reproduce the above revelation literally with absolutely no interpretation. The above is not in any way my view or my interpretation, because there was no interpreting.

If in your view, the above is not correct, then give your correction. Do not make false accusation against me.

Why would you deny people the right to know this fact from the KJV N.T, simply to prop-up and protect Justin Welby, who confirmed that he was brought forth the unfortunate and 'Antichrist' way, through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, like Ishmael.

Wasn't Ishmael brought forth the unfortunate and 'Antichrist' way, through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex? Wasn't he a child of the flesh?

I am not making this up. This is scriptures. You have made up the idea that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby can be different from his mother. The KJV N.T. say the very opposite, very clearly.

You are making up your own anti-scriptures thing.

Fact is if according to the KJV N.T., Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is not good, then at all events, he must be quickly dismissed from his post of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury . . . so as to give his millions of followers a chance at getting a good leader.

If this is the case, Justin Welby can go back to being just plain Justin Welby, in an ordinary private life. What is the big deal?

The judgment of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, must be done according to revelations in the KJV N.T. and not according to your convenient, 'half baked', whimsical man-made ideas.

The KJV N.T. says that fornication, adultery and extramarital is not the way to bring forth a child of God. That is the way to bring forth a child of the flesh. That is not the Christian way.

The genetic link between mother and child is so well established that some countries are prepared to punish the parents for the transgression of their children.

At any event, it may not be Justin Welby's fault that he was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. And he need not be judged on that. However that does not change the fact that according to the above revelation, he was born a child of the flesh and not fit to be a Christian leader.

Fact is children are brought forth. They are not created. They are preexisting. This means that one who is born (brought forth) from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex was preexisting as a child of the flesh and therefore choose to be brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex . . . because he was not originally good enough to be brought forth through loving marital sex. He was simply a child of the flesh before and at birth.

Gurucam
April 28th, 2016, 04:23 PM
genuineoriginal

At any event, it may not be Justin Welby's fault that his mother fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex. And he need not be judged on that. However that does not change the fact that according to revelations in the KJV N.T., he was born from that and therefore a child of the flesh and not fit to be a Christian leader.

Fact is children are brought forth. They are not created. They are preexisting. This means that one who is born (brought forth) from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex was preexisting as a child of the flesh and therefore choose to be brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex . . . because he was not originally good enough to be brought forth through loving marital sex. He was simply a child of the flesh before and at birth.

The above can be the predicament of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

The following KJV N.T. verses are literally on the topic of marriage and bringing forth fruits of marriage:

Romans 7 King James Version (KJV)
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God (with respect to marriages, fruits onto God are children of God).

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (with respect to marriages, fruits onto death are children of the flesh).

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (serving in the newness of spirit is about serving love)

The above is totally supported by the fact that Abraham brought forth two sons, through man and woman sexual procreation. One was a child of the flesh and the other a child of God.

Abraham's procreating partners literally and actually brought forth two different sons. One was a child of the flesh and the other a child of God.

Therefore it is literally possible to bring forth both children of the flesh and children of God. Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 above seems to be literally telling us how to bring forth children of God instead of children of the flesh. It seems to be in the manner of our sexual act.

This adds another dimension to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and the fact that he was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex.

Fact is, if the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was led into fornicating, committing adultery and having extramarital sex by love (i.e. spirit), this is a totally different matter. Fact is God is Love and Love overrides, justifies and blesses everything.

When one is motivated to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex by love one invariably bring forth a child of God. This is the absence of fear and the presence of God.

1 John: 4 KJV N.T.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

When one is motivated to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex by love, the couple, the child and the act are all blessed by God. The couple, the child and the act are all justified and glorified by God. Such an offspring is worthy above others. This is more divine than being motivated to procreate by love, within a marriage.

There is no conquest of fear in a loving marriage. Therefore love is not made perfect in a loving marriage. It is only when love is truly real that one will be led to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex out of love. Therefore when one is led to fornicate commit adultery and have extramarital sex by love such love is perfect. It is real and pure. It is the pure essential fabric of God. Everything about and within that 'affair' is very divine.

Through love motivated sex, children of God are brought forth from spirit heaven. Such children were Christian before (in a previous life) and when they died they rose to heaven in three days to be like angels in heaven.

Mark: 12 KJV N.T.
25 For when they (Christians) shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

There, in spirit heaven, God knows them and predestine them to have priority births on earth (i.e. to be first born among many). Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 gives the instructions on how to bring forth such children of God from spirit heaven to earth.

(They are brought forth from spirit heaven to earth and into human embryos which are conceived through love motivated sex of couples . . . even if these acts are fornication, adultery and/or extramarital sex.

The following speaks about such children of God who are in spirit heaven:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Would it not be great if this was the circumstance of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, his mother and her act? There is no other Christian (KJV N.T.) principle to justify Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

However you are also, not prepared to accept this revelation about love motivated sex, although it is literally and clearly confirmed in Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 of the KJV N.T.

You seem to be drowning in corruption of the KJV N.T. and your blind and foolish state. This is the fullness of time. Get on board with truth, before too late is your cry.

Know the truth so that you can be saved and delivered. Do not wallow in foolishness and foolish baseless rhetoric. Clearly you do not know scriptures and the power of God.

Mark: 12 KJV N.T.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Those who err cannot be and are not chosen.

genuineoriginal
April 28th, 2016, 05:22 PM
The judgment of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, must be done according to revelations in the KJV N.T. and not according to your convenient, 'half baked', whimsical man-made ideas.
You still haven't produced anything from the Bible, old or new testament, KJV, NIV, or other translation, that can be used to force Welby to leave his post.

Stop producing your 'half baked' whimsical man-made idea that you can hold a man guilty for the sin of his mother, or even that you can hold his mother for a sin she may have already repented of and been forgiven of by God.

genuineoriginal
April 28th, 2016, 05:23 PM
it may not be Justin Welby's fault . . . However that does not change the fact that . . . he was born
All you have against Welby is that he was born.

Gurucam
April 28th, 2016, 07:39 PM
genuineoriginal,

Post # 64, above is the pure nectar of enlightenment in Christ.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Gurucam
April 28th, 2016, 07:43 PM
All you have against Welby is that he was born.

The issue is not that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was born.

Also it is clear that he was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. So this is not an issue.

The issue is about a finer Christian aspect about how Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth.

Was it through carnal fornication, carnal adultery and carnal extramarital sex? or

Was it through love motivated fornication, love motivated adultery and love motivated extramarital sex?

This is the issue.

. . . is he a child of lust or a child of love? This is the question.

Fact is lust is Satanic, where as Love is God.

Fact is, at all events (including fornication, adultery and extramarital sex), lust bring forth only children of the flesh and love bring forth only children of God.

Fact is, at all events (including in acceptable religious marriages), lust bring forth only children of the flesh and love bring forth only children of God.

Many people are in marriages that are perfect in religious acceptability, however they are having lustful or carnal sex in those unions. They are bringing forth only children of the flesh (also called children of Satan).

On the other hand many people are in marriages that are not acceptable according to religion, however they are having love motivated sex in those unions. They are bringing forth only children of God (also called fruits of Christianity).

Gurucam
April 29th, 2016, 03:16 AM
genuineoriginal

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

'The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus' say that Love is supreme and one must be led, unconditionally into one's words, actions and prayers only by love which arises and is sustained, naturally and spontaneously in one's own heart for those specific people, things and circumstances in God's creation.

'To be free from the law of sin and death' means to have God given freedom to transgress the law of sin and death and get no sin but instead be glorified by God.

People who are in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus bring forth only fruits onto God. That is when people who are in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus have procreative sex, they always bring forth only children of God.

The above revelation confirms that people who are in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, are free to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex in order to freely live the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

This is the only Christian law that can justify Justin Welby original and continuing appointment as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

According to the KJV N.T., if the fornication, adultery and extramarital sex of the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, was not love motivated, then: Justin Welby was and is not worthy enough to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

However, according to the KJV N.T., if the fornication, adultery and extramarital sex of the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, was love motivated, then: Justin Welby was and is worthy enough to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

At all events, if one is brought forth by loveless fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, one is brought forth by lust and sin. And one is a child of lust and sin . . . a child of Satan.

At all events, if one is brought forth by love motivated fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, one is brought forth by grace of God. And one is a child of God and love.

1 John: 4 KJV N.T.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Fact is, at all events (even in fornication, adultery and extramarital sex), God is Love and Lust is Satan.

Fact is, at all events (even in fornication, adultery and extramarital sex), the presence of love (as the motivator) is the active presence and participation of God and only fruits of God/children of God are brought forth.

On the other hand, at all events (even in fornication, adultery and extramarital sex), the absence of love is the active absence of God. Then only fruits onto death/children of the flesh are brought forth.

The motivator of loveless actions is lust and carnality or Satan. Where as the motivator of love driven actions is literally the divine or God.

. . . and so be it.

Gurucam
April 30th, 2016, 07:50 AM
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

genuineoriginal

The above exemplifies and confirms, a (God given) covenant that is applicable to all people.

The above need absolutely no interpretation. It confirms very clearly and literally that humans, through 'man and woman sexual procreative sex' can bring forth either children of the flesh who must be cast out or children of God who must inherit. This is plain, simple and straightforward, scriptures.

The well established and well accepted fact is that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth (born) through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex of his mother.

The simple question cannot be and is not, what you are projecting. You are projecting that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby cannot be responsible for his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, through which she brought him forth.

No one is denying your claim.

The fact and very important question is that although Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby might not be responsible for his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, through which she brought him forth, the KJV N.T. confirms very clearly that: he can be either a child of the flesh who must be cast out or a child of God who must inherit.

You are dwelling on and only repeating: "Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is not responsible for his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, through which she brought him forth". You seem to be a well trained human parrot.

That is clearly your 'red herring' which you are attempting to use to distract from and cover-up the real question which is: Is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby a child of the flesh who must be cast out or is he a child of God who must inherit?

This must be very seriously aired out and determined, since he was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex of his mother . . . when most of his followers were brought forth in a religiously acceptable marital union.

Seems that you are posturing like a lemon used car sales man, so as to deny and cover up this very important (KJV N.T.) consideration (i.e. whether he is a child of the flesh who must be cast out or a child of God who must inherit?).

This is so plain and simple. Only a seriously demented, false prophet and false spying brethren, will deny and seek to undermine this clear and literal revelation from the KJV N.T.

You are posing as a Christian. Clearly you are not even an aspiring Christian. You have denied God's righteousness and gone about making up your own righteousness.

Romans: 10 King James Version (KJV)
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Gurucam
April 30th, 2016, 09:33 AM
Friends,

The KJV N.T. confirms the following very clearly and literally:

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called (to Christianity), but few are chosen.

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The above verses from the KJV N.T. confirm that, from the billion or so called to Christianity in traditional Christianity, only a few will be chosen, i.e. only a few will find the straight gate and narrow way that lead to life, everlasting.

The KJV N.T. also confirms how and why this would happen (i.e. why only a few are chosen). The very great majority of aspiring Christians will (foolishly) believe that they know scriptures and the power of God. However they will not know scriptures and the power of God and they will err and not be chosen:

Mathews: 22 KJV N.T.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

One can be very sure that the average priest, preacher and Joe follower, in the billion strong, traditional Christianity will not know scriptures. Also they will not know the power of God. They will be consumed in err and not be chosen.

The KJV N.T. also confirms that many false prophets will cause this very great and grave failure among aspiring Christians:

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

The very great majority of priests and preachers in traditional Christianity are false prophets who came in Jesus' name and they are misguiding their unsuspecting followers. This is happening in big churches and small churches, everywhere on earth.

Therefore, I urge you to beware (very seriously) of the likes of Genuineoriginal. They are simply posturing like Christians.

They openly (any which way) deny and undermine authentic KJV N.T. revelations so as to irrationally empower those who they unwittingly or otherwise favor. They are misled unfortunate fanatic. They are not Christians. They are not about God's righteousness. They are about their own righteousness and the righteousness of Satan.

Indeed, Satan and his status quo seem to have them in very strong grip. They seem to be human parrots whose wings (and brain) have been pruned and clipped by Satan and his more senior operatives. They are 'the dead who are (spiritually) burying you' in plain sight, everyday.

This is not about 'winning' foolish or other arguments. This is about getting to truth.

Gurucam
April 30th, 2016, 03:36 PM
genuineoriginal

1 John 4 King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

The above revelation confirms that God is Love. Therefore the Spirit of God are urging of Love. This means that wheresoever Love is present, God is present and participating. Where Love is absent God is absent and Satan rules.

Fact is people are motivated either by love or carnality/material. There are just two categories of motivations. Love is motivation from God. All other motivations are from Satan.

The simple fact is, if the fornication, adultery and extramarital sex of the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, was love motivated, then God was present and Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was a child of God. And he must inherit.

On the other hand, if the fornication, adultery and extramarital sex of the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, was not love motivated, but carnally or otherwise motivated, then God was not present and Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was a child of carnality/child of the flesh. And must be cast out.

The above is a law in the Spirit of life of Christ Jesus and every aspiring Christian must have this truth and adapt it in their lives. There is no good in you denying this truth. If you deny the truth above you are simply serving Satan.

If you deny the above truth that simply makes you a false prophet who came in Jesus' name and a spying false brethren who is misleading innocent aspiring Christians into erring and death.

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Acts 13: King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Your statement, 'Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is not responsible for his mother's action' is totally irrelevant and not applicable or useful in this Christian situation.

You are simply trying to derail truth and cover-up the real issue and real important concern . . . or you are very foolish and/or totally misled.

According to the KJV N.T., at all events, if Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is a child of the flesh he must be cast out. He cannot be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

It is widely accepted that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth (born) out of his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex.

According to the KJV N.T., if those acts, by his mother, were motivated by carnality then the fruit (the child) from those acts would be carnal. That is, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby would be carnal.

Then according to the KJV N.T., He would be a child of the flesh who must have long been cast out. This means, also, that his original and continuing appointment, as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, was corrupt.

More explanations are very necessary to bring clarity to this entire affair.

Gurucam
May 1st, 2016, 11:21 AM
genuineoriginal and all others,

Luke: 4 KJV N.T.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Fact is God is Love:

1 John 4 King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

The only way to serve God is to serve Love.

To serve anything other than Love is to serve Satan/the Devil.

The sad fact is that the billion strong traditional Christian do not know the above basic Christian truth which is literally confirmed in the KJV N.T.

The billion strong traditional Christian still very erroneously and corruptly believe that seeking to uphold the law of sin and death is the path to Christianity. They are so very gravely misled. Fact is false brethren have infiltrated Christianity, as spies and they have misled the billion strong traditional Christians:

Galatians: 2 King James Version (KJV)
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (under the law of sin and death):

Quite frankly, based on KJV N.T. revelations, I suspect that these spying false brethren are Jews and similar others, the ancestors of who sanctioned and aided the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus 2000 years ago. Since then they have been perpetuating Jesus' crucifixion (i.e. "putting more nails in his coffin") by denying and undermining Jesus' actual (spirit and Spirit based) message.

Based on KJV N.T. revelations, they are on the left side of the King (i.e. they are on the left side of the Lord Jesus). You do not wish to identify with them. They already went through the holocaust and their God seemed to have looked the other way through it all. The indication is either, their 'lord and/or God' did not lift a finger to help them or their God was not that powerful. At any event, millions were punished. I am not saying that this was good or bad or right or wrong. I seek to simply state the observation.

Seems that, even after that event, they (the Jews) still continued to deny, blaspheme and undermine their God sent messiah, the Lord Jesus. Also, it seems that they did not simply stay among themselves and deny the fullness of the Lord Jesus. They seem to have gone on to undermine, persecute and deny Jesus' spirit and Spirit based message even among aspiring Christians.

Jews (at least in the U.S.A.) seemed to be the false brethren who came as spies among unsuspecting aspiring Christians. Aspiring Christians are the billion strong traditional Christians. These Jews seemed to have come among traditional Christians (particularly in the U.S.A.) as spying false brethren, simply to return aspiring Christians to bondage under the law of sin and death.

This seemed to have been the deliberate destruction of what the founding fathers established in the U.S.A. Under the founding fathers and their ideas, the U.S.A. seemed to the promised land of Christians. Seems that Jews infiltrated the U.S.A. and crashed what the founding father established.

Simply note that difference between Christianity and the Jewish tradition:

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

:idea: Christianity is anchored on the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.
:idea: On the other hand the Jewish tradition is anchored on the law of sin and death.

:idea: These traditions are like cheese and chalk. They are in total opposition to each other.

The question is why is the law of sin and death still a part of traditional Christianity? Is this because Jews came in as spying false brethren among unsuspecting traditional Christians and return them to bondage under the law of sin and death?

At any event and at all events, clearly traditional Christians esteem the law of sin and death. Therefore they are not Christians, at all. They are the many who are called to Christianity, misled by false prophets, err and not chosen.

The question is do these unfortunate traditional Christians have some Jews to 'thank' for their sad predicament? . . . at least in the U.S.A.? And may be traditional Christians of Britain, have Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby to thank for their sad predicament? For traditional Christians in Britain also esteem the law of sin and death.

These are valid questions.

Additionally, is Mr. Donald Trump, now on the scene to remove these Jews and similar other anti-Christians, from control and dominance, in the U.S.A. and so restore Christianity to that land? . . . indeed this is not an endorsement. This is simply a question befitting the current fullness of time in which God's kingdom of heaven is descending on earth. Now all the Old are dying to give way to the New.

Also, is the recent public disclosure about Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby divinely (i.e. under Grace of God) intended to similarly undermine and dismiss Justin Welby from his post as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. Is this public disclosure heralding the death of the Old in Britain, to give way to the New?

We must face the fact, in a real and straightforward way. We must face the fact that: the vast majority of (supposed Christian) follower under Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby are esteeming the law of sin and death in typical traditional Christian fashion. They are traditional Christians, they are not real Christians.

They have not embrace the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Therefore they are clearly not Christians. They have been misled. They therefore err and are not chosen. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby has failed them.

Therefore, now that we are in the fullness of time, truth is surfacing in absolute clarity for all to know and judgment is at hand. It seems that time (i.e. under grace of God), is at hand, to judge and remove (if necessary) Justin Welby from his post as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury and send him packing, at least, into private life. This is not a big deal. Humans will get an opportunity to correct their err before Jesus makes His final judgment and dispatch.

Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Those who deny, undermine and did not practice, God's righteousness that was given for Christians and instead embrace the law of sin and death, are on the left side. They will experience a holocaust of sorts. They are the many (the very great majority) from among the billion who are called to Christianity.

On the other hand those who threw out the law of sin and death and embraced the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (which makes one free from the law of sin and death) are on the right side. They will inherit God's kingdom of heaven on earth. They are the few from among the billion who are called to Christianity.

Do not let the likes of genuineoriginal and his anti-Christian rhetoric lead you to the left side.

. . . continued in post # 74

Gurucam
May 1st, 2016, 01:46 PM
. . . cont'd from post # 73

Jews are known promoters of the law of sin and death. They do not recognize the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. However they were and are not prepared to stay in their moorings and hold their views only among themselves.

These Jews came as false brethren and spies among unsuspecting aspiring Christians (i.e. traditional Christians) and seemed to have returned a billion strong traditional Christians to bondage under the law of sin and death.

Christians are free from any obligation of the law of sin and death:

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

This action of returning or keeping aspiring Christians and Christians under the law of sin and death, was and continue to be wrong. This is a bold and totally unforgivable sin against Christianity. This is totally in opposition to the aims and teachings of the Lord Jesus. This is totally antichrist.

Christians are people under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. They are freed from the law of sin and death. Christians are not at all under the law of sin and death.

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Who but the Jews will deny aspiring Christians and Christians their God given freedom from the law of sin and death? Did you notice that a holocaust befell them? Who but the Jews can be the false spying brethren mentioned in:

Galatians: 2 King James Version (KJV)
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (under the law of sin and death):

These erring Jews might just have another similar holocaust coming because of their continuing blasphemy, persecution, denial and undermining of Jesus' spirit and Spirit based (only) Christian ministry.

I am not recommending this. In fact justice and vengeance belong to the Lord Jesus. The above simply seems logical from past circumstances. At any event vengeance is totally determined and dispensed by the Lord Jesus:

Romans: 12 King James Version (KJV)
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

The billion strong traditional Christian are clearly the very great majority of those called to Christianity. And it is obvious that all are in some way or the other esteeming the law of sin and death. Clearly they are misled by false prophets. Therefore they do not know scriptures and the power of God. They therefore err and are not actually Christians. They are not chosen.

Romans: 10 King James Version (KJV)
3 For they (i.e. the billion strong traditional Christians) being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Mark: 12 KJV N.T.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Have absolutely no doubt, Christians are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death are the ten commandments. Christians have God given freedom to transgress the ten commandments and get no sin. This is righteousness of God for Christians.

Traditional Christians have ignored this righteousness and gone about their own righteousness.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.

Christianity is anchored on righteousness of God that is without the law. However traditional Christians are not aware of this. They therefore err and are not chosen. They are not Christians. At best the billion strong traditional Christians are simply called to be Christians but not chosen. They all fall short of the glory of God.

The billion strong traditional Christians do not know that when one is in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus one has God given freedom to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex and not get sin but instead be totally glorified by God. They are too dense. Their hearts are waxed gross. They are lost. They are simply not given by God to know this mystery of God's kingdom of heaven.

Many tradition Christians are foolish, misled, self-righteous and arrogant like Genuineoriginal. They are simply stewing in their own foolishness.

Genuineoriginal, the above is your very sad predicament. Please desist from trying to teach and/or defend Christianity. You simply do not have the required credentials. :

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Genuineoriginal. you totally deny and/or failed to point out that if the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was led into her fornication, adultery and extramarital sex by love then Justin Welby is worthy to be appointed as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

This is the only thing, in Christianity, to justify Justin Welby. Every thing that you advanced is absolute anti-Christian foolishness.

You foolishly believe that protecting Christianity is to prop-up Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, any which way. That is just plain Satanic.

Fact is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is responsible for millions of traditional Christians who are very erroneously esteeming the law of sin and death, in some way or the other. This is a serious sin against Christianity. It is no good thing.

We are in the fullness of time and Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is simply being called to judgment, under grace of God.

He does not need you, with your absolutely kindergarten foolishness, to defend him. This defense require the spiritual equivalent of a 'Queen's council'. You clearly flunked out at kindergarten. You cannot help, you will simply bury Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby deeper by your live and personal demonstration of failure under typical traditional Christianity which is also promoted in his church. Humble your self.

If you had stayed quite, at worse, others can only suspect that you are foolish. However you have opened your mouth and now all doubts are removed. However this is far from your biggest problem.

Denying the KJV N.T. and Christianity is literally blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. (because Christianity is totally anchored on Spirit). The sad fact is that traditional Christians have spent their life time denying the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, in order to esteem and use the law of sin and death. This is literally blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and the only sin that is unforgivable.

There is, therefore, no mystery why many are called and few chosen.

genuineoriginal
May 2nd, 2016, 01:02 PM
'To be free from the law of sin and death' means to have God given freedom to transgress the law of sin and death and get no sin but instead be glorified by God.
. . .

Fact is, at all events (even in fornication, adultery and extramarital sex), the presence of love (as the motivator) is the active presence and participation of God and only fruits of God/children of God are brought forth.
You are excusing what Welby's mother did through these words, so you have nothing to hold against Welby now.

You are nothing but a hypocrite.

Gurucam
May 3rd, 2016, 09:25 PM
You are excusing what Welby's mother did through these words, so you have nothing to hold against Welby now.

You are nothing but a hypocrite.

I simply confirm what is recorded in the KJV N.T. I cannot excuse Welby's mother. Only Jesus and God can do that. Only they would know her heart. You seem very foolish.

Matthews: 9 KJV N.T.
14 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

You seem to be playing God by making up all kinds of anti-scripture foolishness to excuse Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.

All we can and should do is quote the KJV N.T. You are not doing so. You are twisting things and making up your own thing.

You seem to be promoting that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is good and O.K. for bringing forth children.

Are you saying that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is good and Godly? Are those things sin? Yes or no?

The Lord Jesus and God is waiting to hear your reply. Please state your position clearly and do not be a false prophet and a hypocrite. Do not speak with a forked tongue, you could end up among double tongue serpents.

Re. https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=forked+tongue&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002

You seem to be fabricating all kinds of foolish justification for Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby although he was born from sin, i.e. he was born from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. Can any good thing be brought forth from sin? What good is calling any thing sinful, if good things can come from sin?

Fact is no good child comes from plain old, fornication, adultery and extramarital sex: It is confined and demonstrated in the KJV N.T. that through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex Abraham brought forth a child of the flesh who must be cast out.

On the other hand through sex with his wife, Abraham brought forth a child of God who must inherit.

How come you are bending the rules for Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. Fact is he was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex (ie, through sin) therefore he must be a child of the flesh who must be cast out.

Explain why you are being a false prophet and a hypocrite?

Why did you change your mind? Why are you now excusing fornication, adultery and extramarital which brings forth only children of the flesh who must be cast out?

If, according to the KJV N.T, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is a child of the flesh who must be cast out then he is a child of God who must be cast out . . . and so be it.

This means that he should have never been Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury . . . a big mistake was made. If this is exposed now, it must be corrected.

Why do you deny all good things from the KJV N.T. simply to 'any which way' prop-up Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby? Are you prepared to go to hell for what you are doing?

If perchance it surfaces that a bad man or the wrong person, was in-charge of a church, why would you want to perpetuate sin?

Why would you deny it when God is showing us our mistake or sins and truth, now, in the fullness of time.

Gurucam
May 3rd, 2016, 10:32 PM
genuineoriginal

The Lord Jesus, God and some of us want to know if you believe that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex are things of the flesh and sinful? Are fornication, adultery and extramarital sex always things of the flesh and sinful?

If those are things of the flesh and sinful, at all times, then Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, can be no good thing, because he was brought forth by fornication, adultery and extramarital sex (i.e. things of the flesh) . . . and nothing good comes from flesh.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. (if the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt then Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt . . . no Maths involve)

Galatians: 6 KJV N.T.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Only a false prophet will claim that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is of the flesh and sin full and on the other hand claim that one can sow fornication, adultery and extramarital sex and reap a good child.

All your life you promote and teach that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is always totally wrong and now that it is known that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth by fornication, adultery and extramarital sex you are attempting a Satanic cover-up?

Fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is not only about the mother and father, it is also about the son who was brought forth out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex.

Look at Abraham's son who was brought forth out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. He was a child of the flesh and scriptures says that he must be cast out. How is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby different?

The above is the pure Christian truth. On the other hand, you are simply making up your own anti-Christian thing and claiming that it is Christian.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman (his married wife) was by promise (a child of God).
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Look at your self. You are seriously hypocritical. Traditional Christians tend to be serious 'holier than thou' hypocrites. You are a serious practitioner.

The KJV N.T. confirms very clearly that Abraham had a son who was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex and he was a child of the flesh who must be cast out.

It is widely accepted and known that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. You have not explained how and why is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby different from Abraham's son who was brought forth the same way and must be cast out.

This is no joking matter. You seem to be an evil person . . . simply posturing as descent.

I have not justified Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby or his mother. I am not given by God to do or not do so. I simply point out truth according to literal revelations from the KJV N.T.

Gurucam
May 4th, 2016, 12:21 AM
Genuineoriginal,

For you it rests with your belief.

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.

The above KJV N.T. revelation confirms that if the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt then Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt . . . no Maths involve

If you hold the view that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is corrupt then the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is corrupt and Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is also corrupt . . . and this is the total end of the discussion for you.

Your statement that he cannot be held responsible for his mother's action is mute, i.e. irrelevant. It is a 'red herring'. You are either posturing like a lemon used car sales man (to sell your lemon idea) or you are more foolish than that.

Lazy afternoon
May 4th, 2016, 01:05 AM
Gurucam,

You are the guy who claims children of God can only come from the union of two believers.

False.

1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Gurucam
May 4th, 2016, 04:31 AM
Gurucam,

You are the guy who claims children of God can only come from the union of two believers.



I never said any such thing. I did not speak of 'believer'. I did not quote that book or those verses.

I quoted the following which is plainly, pointedly and directly about a child born from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex (i.e. like Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby):

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman (his married wife) was by promise (a child of God).
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

You cannot get it more plainly, pointedly and directly than the above covenant.

The above revelation is directly and pointedly related to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and the fornication, adulterous and extramarital manner of his birth and scriptures says that he must be cast out.

Fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is not only about the mother and father, it is also about the son who was brought forth out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex.

The offspring brought forth from fornication, adultery and extra marital sex is a child of the flesh and he or she must be cast out.

This is a covenant. It relates to you guys and also to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, because you guys esteem, promote, use and teach, the law of sin and death and therefore, you guys are under the law of sin and death.

Look at Abraham's son who was brought forth out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. He was a child of the flesh and scriptures says that he must be cast out. How is Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby different?

Abraham other son was with his married wife. He was a child of God and scriptures says that only the child of God must inherit. The child of the flesh must be cast out.

This is allegory. It is a covenant. It must be applied to all who are brought forth by fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, like Abraham son. It must also be applied to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. He must all be cast out.

It seems to be total corruption and anti-Christian to appoint Justin Welby, as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, instead of casting him out.

Don't you realize that this is why many (a billion) are called to Christianity and the very great majority are misled and therefore err and are not chosen? It is most likely because false prophets (i.e. wrong people possibly like Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby) hold leadership positions in traditional Christianity and they are misleading their charges.

The verse which you are trying to sneak in is about something unrelated.

Gurucam
May 4th, 2016, 08:36 AM
You guys:

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

You guys, including Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, all esteem, promote, use and teach, the law of sin and death. You all are under the covenant from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. You are all under the law of sin and death.

You are not under the other covenant with respect to Jerusalem which is above and free (i.e. free from the law of sin and death), which is the mother of us all

Therefore you all (including Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby) cannot benefit from the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. This is the covenant with respect to Jerusalem which is above and free, which is the mother of us all. Only this is the Christian covenant and you all (and Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby) is not under this covenant and therefore you are not Christians.

At best you all are of the Old Mosaic tradition. You all (and Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby) are under the law of sin and death and will be judges under those laws . . . and so be it.

Therefore for you all (including Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby), the following applies:

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby (who esteem promote, use and teach, the law of sin and death) was brought forth (born) from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, therefore he is a child of the flesh who must be cast out.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman (his married wife) was by promise (a child of God).
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

There can be no other way . . . and so be it.

genuineoriginal
May 4th, 2016, 10:50 AM
You seem to be playing God by making up all kinds of anti-scripture foolishness to excuse Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.
There is nothing to excuse Welby of, he did nothing wrong.

You, on the other hand are playing God by making up nonsense to condemn him.

genuineoriginal
May 4th, 2016, 10:54 AM
Are you saying that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is good and Godly?
You have said many times that Christians are not sinning when they do those things, but that they must break the Law of God if they are to follow the Spirit.
I have said the Bible states that fornication and adultery are sins, no matter who does it.

Gurucam
May 4th, 2016, 11:38 AM
There is nothing to excuse Welby of, he did nothing wrong.

You, on the other hand are playing God by making up nonsense to condemn him.

It is not a matter of forgiveness.

It is simply a matter that he was brought forth through his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex and under the covenant from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, that makes him a child of the flesh who must be cast out.

Forgiven does not arise. He must simply be cast out to life a private life . . . until the King decides what ever.

genuineoriginal
May 4th, 2016, 11:43 AM
It is not a matter of forgiveness.

It is simply a matter that he was brought forth through his mother's fornication, adultery and extramarital sex and under the covenant from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, that makes him a child of the flesh who must be cast out.

Forgiven does not arise. He must simply be cast out to life a private life . . . until the King decides what ever.

You say Welby must never be forgiven for what his mother did, but he must be cast into outer darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

If you are not a complete idiot, you are sure doing a great job of impersonating one.

Gurucam
May 4th, 2016, 11:44 AM
I have said the Bible states that fornication and adultery are sins, no matter who does it.

Then, according to you, both mother and father of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby committed sin. They are both corrupt. It is well established that they both fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital. And indeed they could have done that without bring forth a child. However, they brought forth Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby by those sinful, evil and corrupt acts. Can a good fruit come from such sinful, corrupt and evil acts.

According to you those acts were sinful corruption and evil. That seems to be how Satan is conceived.

The KJV N.T also says:

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.

The above says that corrupt parents (i.e. parents who fornicate, commit adultery and have extra marital sex) cannot bring forth good children. Corrupt parents must bring forth evil children.

Therefore based on your statement and the above revelation, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby who was brought forth by corrupt parents, through their corrupt acts, is definitely evil.

There is no need to say anything further . . . amen.

Fact is you have proven that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is an evil fruit from a corrupt tree. You have just prove that fact . . . Q.E.D.



I have said the Bible states that fornication and adultery are sins, no matter who does it.


What about extramarital sex is that good or bad? You did not mention extramarital sex. It is confirmed and duly accepted that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby had extramarital sex to bring him forth. Was that blessed or bad?

And what about the fact that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was raised by a corrupt woman, i.e. a fornicator, an adulterant and an extramarital sexist. Is this good?

Don't you believe that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby should have been protected from his corrupt and sinful mother? It is one thing to be born from sin, corruption and evil it is another thing to grow up with one who did those sinful, corrupt and evil things.

There is more from the Bible:

Matthews: 21 KJV N.T.
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

'Fruit' is important. A child who is born from fornication, adultery and extra marital sex is an evil fruit from a corrupt tree.

Abraham had a bad child (a bad fruit) and a good child (a bad good fruit) from procreative sex. This is in the Bible.

If fornication, adultery and extramarital sex does not bring forth bad children (bad fruits) then what does?

genuineoriginal
May 4th, 2016, 11:51 AM
There is no need to say anything further.
Yes, you should have stopped your false accusations against Welby many posts ago.

Gurucam
May 4th, 2016, 12:47 PM
You say Welby must never be forgiven for what his mother did, but he must be cast into outer darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I did not. I did not confirm that 'he must be cast into outer darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth'. No man can decide that. That is strictly up to the King, Lord Jesus.

I said that the scriptures said that he is a child of the flesh and he must be cast out. In this case 'casting out' has to do with aspiring Christians casting false prophets out of their church. It has to do with aspiring Christians casting spying false brethren out of their church, especially when God, under His Grace, brings things that were previously hidden, to light.

This is related to the long expected rapture. It cannot be stopped. This is 'pre-rapture' when all truth is being confirmed in all clarity for all to know.

Under grace of God we were clearly informed that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was a fornicator, an adulteress and an extramarital sexes. And she brought forth Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. These are facts in clear and open confirmation. You openly admit that those acts are sinful, corrupt and evil.

The wise will naturally sit up and listen. Especially since, Jesus and God promised:

Luke: 8 KJV N.T.
17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

Fact is aspiring Christian can cast a false prophet (and false spying brethren) out of their church. In fact they are supposed to cast a false prophet and false spying brethren out of their church especially when God, under His good grace, show us a false prophet/false brethren (as with the possible case of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby).

Christians can ensure that false prophets and false spying brethren do not inherit their church or that they be removed. Christians can remove them simply by refusing to recognize them as Christians and their leaders. This must be achieved by totally Christian and/or peaceful means, in the same manner that Mahatma Gandhi forced the British to relinquish their alien occupation of India. Christianity is totally about peace and the power of peace to move the highest and biggest mountain or obstacle.

Based on the facts that has surfaced, now, in the fullness of time, it seems that Justin Welby is an alien (i.e. as far as Christianity goes). Therefore he is not fit to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. He must be cast out of that position by Christians and aspiring Christians so as to install an authentic Christian leader (i.e. one was was not born out of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex). The time seems at hand. This will happen if it must, under grace of God. It cannot be stopped if it is the will of God. Authentic Christians are empowered every where.

However casting anyone into outer darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth is quite another thing. You and all other humans, must wait on the King, Lord Jesus to decide and act on that. Rest assured that He will decide and act as He sees fit.

There are things that humans are instructed and expected to do and things that only the King can do. You are very confused. Your confusion is leading you to serious err. You have long lost your balance, it is getting worse.

Clearly you seem to believe that Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is Lord Jesus. You seem to believe that Justin Welby cannot be removed as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

Justin Welby is not the Lord Jesus. He is very dispensable and replaceable. Only Jesus is Lord of all and not dispensable or replaceable.

Seems that the Lord Jesus is instructing us to cease recognizing Justin Welby, as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. In other words Lord Jesus is asking that we cast Justin Welby out of his appointment as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. That is we must send him packing and into his private life. This is the beginning of the rapture. Please take heed.

The Lord Jesus would not ask us to cast Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby into outer darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Rest assured that the Lord Jesus will do that Himself, if and when that becomes His decision and therefore necessary.

Jesus' instruction to Christians is very clear: 'He who is without sin, cast the first stone'.

John: 8 King James Version (KJV)
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Romans: 12 King James Version (KJV)
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Deuteronomy: 32 KJV N.T.
35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

Rest assured that 'their foot' are currently sliding out from under them . . . you ain't seen nothing yet. The rapture has started and it will continue to totally surprise the billion strong traditional Christians. In fact:

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

This means that traditional Christianity and their churches (pope, Arch Bishops et all) will rapture very badly, very unfavorably. The very great majority of traditional Christians, their leaders and their churches are totally lost. They are all in totally anti-Christian traditions.

Luke: 13 KJV N.T.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Who will be chosen and who will not be chosen is Jesus' decision. All that we know is that, from the billion traditional Christians only a few will be chosen. The very great majority are misled, they are in err. They are not Christians. They will not be chosen. How do we know this? . . . because the Lord Jesus confirmed this, as recorded in the KJV N.T.

genuineoriginal
May 4th, 2016, 01:35 PM
You seem to believe that Justin Welby cannot be removed as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.
I have never said Welby cannot be removed as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

I have repeatedly pointed out that none of your anti-Christian excuses for why you want him removed are justifiable, since the only reason you gave is that someone else committed a sin.

nikolai_42
May 4th, 2016, 02:18 PM
Seems that the Lord Jesus is instructing us to cease recognizing Justin Welby, as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. In other words Lord Jesus is asking that we cast Justin Welby out of his appointment as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. That is we must send him packing and into his private life.


Is this the same Lord Jesus that has a harlot in His earthly genealogy?

Gurucam
May 4th, 2016, 03:13 PM
genuineoriginal,

The following seems to be preoccupying you:

Matthew: 25 King James Version (KJV)
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Do you know how those on the left will be dispatched into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels? No man will do that with words or actions.

That will happen through teleportation through black hole portals which will open into the depths of earth, which is hell with Satan. This will happen to those on the left side. They will simply be teleported out of the surface of earth in an instant and into the depths of earth.

They will not know what hit them. They will erroneously believe that their new destination is simply the earth which has turned to hell. Fact is they would be be in a different place (a parallel dimension) and they would be totally unaware of this fact.

This is why the end of time events seems to be this earth turning into hell. This will not happen. The surface of earth is promised to children of God, in the fullness of time. It will not become hell.

Those who are teleported out of here to hell are the children of the flesh who would not inherit the surface of earth together with children of God, in the fullness of time:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Children of the flesh would be totally lost.

With children of the flesh out of here the surface of earth will naturally and spontaneously be transformed to the Garden of Eden, i.e. God's kingdom of heaven on earth. Those on the right side are the children of God. They will be left behind and will inherit God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth.

This is described as follows in scriptures:

Matthews: 24 KJV N.T.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

I cannot possibly do this feat. God can and will do the teleportation through black hole portal to the depths of earth which is hell with Satan.

genuineoriginal
May 4th, 2016, 03:30 PM
You seem to have nothing on topic to say.

Lazy afternoon
May 5th, 2016, 12:10 AM
Gurucam,

You are the guy who claims children of God can only come from the union of two believers.

False.

1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Yes Gurucam teaches that.

LA

Gurucam
May 5th, 2016, 02:07 AM
Yes Gurucam teaches that.

LA

I totally accept the KJV N.T. as is.

1 Corinthians: 7 verses: 13 & 14 KJV N.T. is not about bringing forth children. It is about letting your spouse leave, if he or she wants to leave. It is about supporting and sanctioning marital separation and divorce.

Many people quote the ten commandments to justify, force or imprisoned their spouses in loveless marriages. This is wrong. The verse which immediately follows the verses which you quoted is confirming that spouses are free to leave (loveless) marriages (and not be forced to stay in a loveless marriage and have loveless sex). Marriages are not forever:

1 Corinthians: 7 verse: 15 KJV N.T.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

The above is only about one leaving one's old spouses. However Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 KJV N.T. covers both leaving one's old spouse and bring forth children. Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 KJV N.T. is about leaving your old spouse and old children and moving on to a new spouse so that you can stop bringing forth children of the flesh and start bringing forth children of God.

From among all revelations in the KJV N.T. only the following is about marriages, leaving your old spouse for a new one, sex, sexual procreation, children of the flesh and children of God:

Romans: 7 King James Version (KJV)
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God (children of God).
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (children of the flesh).
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6, KJV N.T. above is relevant, to this thread, because:

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was brought forth (born) from sin. That is, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby was born from fornication, adultery and extramarital sex. So we are talking about a child (i.e. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby) who was brought forth bring through sinful, corrupt and evil sexual procreation. And we are asking the question, can this person be good?

Can any good thing be brought forth from sin? What good is calling any thing sinful, if good things can come from sin? This is the question.

The KJV N.T. confirms, very clearly, that a son brought forth by the sinful, corrupt and evil acts of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex must be evil.

Fact is no good child comes from plain old, fornication, adultery and extramarital sex: It is confined and demonstrated in the KJV N.T. that, through fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, Abraham brought forth a child of the flesh who must be cast out.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman (his married wife) was by promise (a child of God).
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby seem to have been brought forth (born) in the same manner as Abraham's son who was the child of the flesh and who must be cast out.

The KJV N.T also says:

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.

The above says that corrupt parents (i.e. parents who fornicate, commit adultery and have extra marital sex) cannot bring forth good children. Corrupt parents must bring forth evil children.

All the above KJV N.T. revelations seem to confirm that Justin Welby was born evil and was and is not fit to be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

Lazy afternoon, if your spouse does not love you, you need to let your spouse go. You should not quote the ten commandants so as to force your spouse to stay with you. If you guys stay together (in a loveless marriage) you will have only carnal sex and you all will bring forth only children of the flesh who must be cast out. Such children will not inherit God's kingdom of heaven. They will be cast out.

Lazy afternoon
May 5th, 2016, 05:01 AM
Gurucam,

You are the guy who claims children of God can only come from the union of two believers.

False.

1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.


Yes Gurucam teaches that and has confirmed that in post 94.



Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 KJV N.T. is about leaving your old spouse and old children and moving on to a new spouse so that you can stop bringing forth children of the flesh and start bringing forth children of God.

Gurucam
May 5th, 2016, 05:48 AM
Guys,

Simple people have a way of cutting through the foolishness and pretense of foolish 'holier than thou' people.

Some simple people accept and use the following terms:
1. outside man.
2. inside man.
3. outside woman
4. inside woman
5. outside child
6. inside child

These are all related to the Bible.

Are you guys aware of these terms and their meaning?

Abraham had some of these. Abraham had an 'inside woman' and an 'outside woman'. He also had an 'inside child' and an 'outside child' (i.e. male children).

Abraham's 'inside son' was a child of God who must inherit. Abraham's 'outside son' was a child of the flesh who must be cast out.

These exemplified two covenants. Therefore these exemplify what must be done by all people, at all their events and circumstances. For example if one has to decide who must inherit church and who must be cast out of church, these examples must be used. That is, the 'inside child' must always inherit the church. And the 'outside child' must always be cast out.

It seems that, the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby also had an 'outside man' and an 'inside man'. She also had an 'outside child', a male child who who was born out of her fornication, adultery and extramarital sex.

Obvious the above covenants must be applied to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother. He must be cast out of church. He cannot be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury.

However there is more evidence to support the above:

You guys say that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex are always sinful, corrupt and evil. You guys say that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is therefore definitely sinful, corrupt and evil. You guys say that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is therefore most definitely a corrupt tree.

The KJV N.T. confirms that:

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.

Therefore, according to you guys and the above revelation from the KJV N.T.: Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is an evil fruit, brought forth from the evil acts of fornication, adultery and extramarital sex, from a corrupt tree.

At all events, an evil fruit cannot inherit. An evil fruit must be cast out. At any event and at all events, an evil fruit cannot be Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury. . . . Justin Welby must be cast out of that appointment.

That is, an amen and Q.E.D. on your terms.

Holier than thou people have the same things in their life. They have one or more of the following in their lives. They have 'outside men', 'inside men', 'outside woman', 'inside women', 'outside children', 'inside children' in their lives.

They have these same things happening among their leaders, including church leaders.

However 'holier than thou people' are not honest. They sugar coat the above simple and straightforward terms and their predicament so as deny truth. They posture like lemon used care salesmen and lie to others, with straight faces. They simply want to deny, blaspheme, persecute, undermine and avoid the 'Covenant' prescriptions laid down in the KJV N.T.

They do not want to be Christian. They simply want to pretend to be Christian. They delight in being false prophets who came in Jesus' name. These are the people who make up the billion strong traditional Christians. Can there be any wonder why a billion are called to Christianity and only a few are chosen?

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Gurucam
May 5th, 2016, 06:11 AM
Yes Gurucam teaches that and has confirmed that in post 94.

Romans: 7 verses: 4 to 6 KJV N.T. is about leaving your old spouse and old children and moving on to a new spouse so that you can stop bringing forth children of the flesh and start bringing forth children of God.

Indeed correct. That is exactly and literally what the following verses say:

Romans: 7 King James Version (KJV)
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God (children of God).
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (children of the flesh).
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Gurucam
May 5th, 2016, 07:55 AM
Guys,

It is a fact, Abraham brought forth two sons, through sexual procreation with two different women. One was a child of the flesh, who must be cast out and the other was a child of God, who must inherit.

This example was declared to be based on two covenants. This means that every one (including the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby) is capable of bringing forth either children of the flesh who must be cast out or children of God, who must inherit.

This means that all children are not born the same. They are not all born good and innocent. Indeed it is declared that children of the flesh always persecute children of God. It seems that this is a 'birth defect' of children of the flesh:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then, he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

The following mentions and refers to the two Covenants:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

The revelation confirms that there are two covenants. Are you aware of the two covenants and their differences?

Is one the O.T. covenant and the other the N.T. covenant?

The O.T. covenant is 'righteousness of God that is with the law of sin and death'.

The N.T. covenant is 'righteousness of God that is without the law of sin and death'.

Is this it? Are these the two covenants?

You guys say that fornication, adultery and extramarital sex are always sinful, corrupt and evil. This means (according to you guys) that the law of sin and death is always applicable.

Therefore you guys do not accept that there is: 'righteousness of God that is without the law of sin and death'. However the KJV N.T. confirms:

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Obviously you guys throw away the above verses or do not accept their literal messages. Therefore please give (your version of) the two covenants, the details and your explanations.

This applies especially to genuineoriginal who boldly said:


You have said many times that Christians are not sinning when they do those things, but that they must break the Law of God if they are to follow the Spirit.
I have said the Bible states that fornication and adultery are sins, no matter who does it.

. . . continue in post# 99

Gurucam
May 5th, 2016, 12:05 PM
continued from post# 98 to all:

Post# 98 applies especially to Genuineoriginal who boldly said:


You have said many times that Christians are not sinning when they do those things, but that they must break the Law of God if they are to follow the Spirit.
I have said the Bible states that fornication and adultery are sins, no matter who does it.
Clearly, Genuineoriginal does not accept, believe or recognize that there is righteousness of God that is without the law of sin and death. Genuineoriginal is seeking to put everyone under the law of sin and death. However the KJV N.T. confirmed that:

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.

Galatians: 5 KJV N.T.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Also, Genuineoriginal has not embraced the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. Genuineoriginal has stayed under the law of sin and death:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Who would deny the KJV N.T.? Who would deny the new covenant? The new covenant is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. The new covenant is Christianity. Who would deny the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death . . . who would do this thing, so as to esteem and promote the law of sin and death?

Genuineoriginal is denying the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus that made one free from the law of sin and death. Genuineoriginal is doing this antichrist thing so as to esteem and promote the law of sin and death.

What does this make Genuineoriginal? An antichrist? And Genuineoriginal is in the very core of this Christian thread, projecting and promoting his antichrist rhetoric. Genuineoriginal is obviously a spy among Christians. Genuineoriginal is obviously a false brethren.

I urge you to beware of Genuineoriginal. The KJV N.T. confirms that Genuineoriginal is not serving the Lord Jesus and the new covenant. Christianity is totally about the New covenant.

The KJV N.T. confirms that Genuineoriginal (who continue to esteem the law of sin and death) is simply pretending to be Christian. Genuineoriginal is coming among Christians with his O.T. foolishness.

Genuineoriginal is obviously an Old Testament person. A person of the Old covenant. The KJV N.T. confirms that Genuineoriginal is simply a false prophet who is simply a spy among Christians. The KJV N.T. confirms that Genuineoriginal is simply a spying false brethren among unsuspecting aspiring Christians according to:

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage.

If these conclusions are not purely, literally and totally supported by revelations from the KJV N.T., then simply point it out, openly and plainly.

However dismiss false prophets (whoever they are and in whatever Archbishop position they may be). Indeed dismiss these false prophets who came in Jesus name, from your life.

Do not run Genuineoriginal out of town, however at every turn do not tolerate Genuineoriginal's antichrist rhetoric. Do this for the benefit of Genuineoriginal and anyone who might hear or read Genuineoriginal's Satanic rhetoric.

Please do not let it slide. The boldest, most self-righteous and foolish traditional Christians are the biggest false prophets who came in Jesus' name. They are misguided fanatics who (if given the chance) will destroy and/or kill those who do not accept their distortion of the KJV N.T..

People, the likes of Genuineoriginal denied, persecuted and blasphemed the physical Lord Jesus and also aided the crucifixion of the physical Lord Jesus, some 2000 odd years ago.

The physical Lord Jesus came 2000 odd years ago, to tell those people about the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. The Jews did not want to hear about doing away with the law of sin and death so as to give way to the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

These are the people who denied, persecuted, tortured, blasphemed and aided and expedited the death of the physical Lord Jesus. They were O.T. people. They were like Genuineoriginal. Like Genuineoriginal these people of 2000 years ago, were not prepared to and did not, do away with the law of sin and death. Instead they denied, persecuted, tortured, blasphemed and aided and expedited the death of the physical Lord Jesus.

Since then, people, like Genuineoriginal, who continue to 'see' wisdom in and esteem, the law of sin and death, are the sad and 'spiritually dead' ignoramuses who are destroying authentic Christianity.

They are literally false brethren and spies among unsuspecting aspiring Christians. They are no different from misguided fanatical Moslem or any other misguided fanatical grouping.

Genuineoriginal and the likes are simply foolish and promoting corruption of Christianity. They are simply 'dense'. Their hearts are waxed gross (i.e. they are spiritually dead). They rush in boldly where angels fear to thread. Time is now too limited to ignore these false prophets.

genuineoriginal
May 5th, 2016, 01:04 PM
Who would deny the KJV N.T.?
There are better translations in English.

Lazy afternoon
May 5th, 2016, 07:00 PM
Indeed correct. That is exactly and literally what the following verses say:

Romans: 7 King James Version (KJV)
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God (children of God).
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (children of the flesh).
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


One has to be married to Christ in order to bring forth righteous fruit.

Not remarried to a believer.

LA

Gurucam
May 6th, 2016, 05:31 AM
There are better translations in English.

No. There is no better translation than the KJV N.T.

Gurucam
May 6th, 2016, 05:42 AM
1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Here is a quote of those verses:

1 Corinthians: 7 KJV N.T.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Here 'believer' means one who believes in the Lord Jesus.

You probably foolishly believe that because you believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death (i.e. Moses' law) you are a believer. You are mistaken. Your are the unbeliever. You are the one being cast out. You are the unbeliever who departs.

The following revelation in the KJV N.T. confirms, very clearly, that a believer does not believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death. A believer is justified by God to deny and transgress the law of sin and death and not get sin but instead be glorified by God:

The Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

In the above revelation a man (or woman) who does not believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death is told to (any which way) annul his marriage with a woman (or man) who believes in, esteems and promote the law of sin and death. They are under different covenants. They are also different people.

The spouse who believes in, esteems and promotes the law of sin and death is a child of the flesh (an unbeliever). The other spouse (who does not believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death) is a child of God (a believer). They cannot live together. They are 'chalk and cheese'.

It is very likely that the wife or husband who believe in, esteem and promote the law of sin and death will invoking the law of sin and death to keep the other one trapped in a loveless/spiritless marriage.

This is an unforgivable sin. This is denial and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. This marriage is a sin and must be dissolved . . . leaving each person to move onto new unions with new spouses, under the covenant of their choice.

The law of sin and death has nothing to do with one who believes in the Lord Jesus. The law of sin and death has nothing to do with a Christian. It has nothing to do with being a new person in Christ. The law of sin and death has every thing to do with being an Old person who cannot be saved and delivered.

Those who esteem the law of sin and death, in the slightest way, are under all the laws and all who are under the law of sin and death fall short of the glory of God. In every way the law of sin and death, killeth and dispatches one to hell inside the earth, with Satan.

You have been misled by false prophets. You are in a very sad, unfortunate and 'not chosen' circumstance . . . just like the other billion or so in traditional Christianity.

You are probably among those who use the law of sin and death to keep your spouse trapped in a loveless, spiritless marriage with you. A marriage in which you have loveless, spiritless procreative sex and therefore bring forth only children of the flesh who must be cast out.

You are aware that the peoples of this world will be separated into children of the flesh and children of God. And children of the flesh will be totally cast out into hell inside the earth, with Satan. On the other hand, only children of God will inherit the surface of earth in God's kingdom of heaven which is currently forming here.


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The ten commandments is called the law of sin and death because it killeth, 100%. Why would any sane (or even a simple kindergarten graduate) person want to embrace, esteem and promote the law of sin and death? . . . especially when every one was told, 2000 odd years ago that:

Romans 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Why do you think 'the righteousness of God without the law is manifested'? . . . because the righteousness of God with the law is the law of sin and death and it always killeth.

On the other hand, 'righteousness of God that is without the law is the New covenant. This is under the Spirit which giveth life, at all events and every time.

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

. . . again there is confirmation of two covenants. Do you know that there are two different covenants? One Old and flawed and one New and good?

Seems that a billion strong traditional Christians are still embracing, esteeming and promoting the Old flawed covenant which is not even Christian. Clearly they are all misled by false spying brethren and/or they are all foolish:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Note the boastful, self-righteous and Anti-Christian folly of Genuineoriginal:



I have said the Bible states that fornication and adultery are sins, no matter who does it.
Fornication and adultery are not sins when those who believe in the Lord Jesus and are led by His Spirit, does those things. This is the Christian position.

Genuineoriginal's position is the Satanic and Antichrist position. The devil's avocation or full time profession.

Be guided accordingly.

Continued in the next post:

Gurucam
May 6th, 2016, 08:07 AM
continued from the previous post:

With respect to Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, he and his mother, cannot have the justification offered under the above spirit and Spirit based covenant.

It is not likely that his mother was led into her fornication, adultery and extra marital sex by the Spirit of the Lord Jesus. Therefore this makes her act sinful and bad and her fruit evil.

The above can be concluded because her fruit, i.e. her son, is not under the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. Her son, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is clearly still under the law of sin and death. Indeed, under his leadership the followers in his church are under the law of sin and death. They are all traditional Christians. They all esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death.

A fruit and its mother would be the same. Like son, like mother. Like mother, like son:

Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.

Both Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother must be the very fabric of the law of sin and death . . . simply because Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby currently esteems, uses and promotes spiritual death in his church . . . by esteeming, using and promoting the law of sin and death.

Therefore both Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his mother will be judged under the law of sin and death, under which all is lost. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is not at all Christian.

Also, under the law of sin and death everyone, including Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby are children of the flesh who must and will, be cast out. He is heading out, like it or not . . . and so be it.

These are the final day. People can run but they cannot hide. They can seek to deceive, however they will be exposed. They can pretend to be Christians however they will be exposed. Those who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death will be judged under the law of sin and death, under which all is lost.

This is God's promise under His Grace . . . expect it to continue exponentially.

Fact is false prophets are the leadership within the core of the billion strong traditional Christianity . . . expect traditional Christianity to be exorcised of their biggest and other leaders.

For the past 2000 odd years, they (i.e. false 'law esteeming' prophets) have been destroying Christianity from within traditional Christianity. They were and continued to be the false spying brethren who were mentioned in:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).

The Lord said:

Romans: 12 KJV N.T.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Deuteronomy: 32 KJV
35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

The days of their calamity is at hand. The foot of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his likes are slipping, everywhere. Their falseness is being exposed with increasing clarity, for all to know. The day of vengeance of the Lord Jesus is very close at hand.

This was not a simple fight:

Ephesians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

What indeed is spiritual wickedness in high place if this is not: Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby and his likes denying and undermining the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death, so as to: esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death in their big and powerful churches?

Clearly this is spiritual wickedness in high places. And it is being perpetrated by principalities, powers and the rulers of the darkness of this world.

Soon the King will be separating sheep from goat in a much more visible and profound manner. Then the King will dispatch sheep and goats according to his vengeance.

Those who deny and blind themselves from truth, will find that the passage to hell within the depths of earth, with Satan, is simply theirs.

Gurucam
May 6th, 2016, 10:30 AM
One must not be careless about truth.

It is not about winning arguments. It is not about propping-up the false doctrines of one's ancestors and church. Your churches are filled with false prophets who are misleading many. This is the only way that many false prophets can misled many. This is also the only way through which many are called to Christianity and only a few are chosen.

It is not about sprouting or parroting doctrines of your church and your ancestors.

It is about knowing truth, not erring and being chosen.

It is about knowing scriptures and the power of God, so that you do not err.

Matthews: 22 KJV N.T.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

To be 'not chosen' means that one ends in hell, inside the earth with Satan. Do you want to spend 60 to 80 years on earth (with a big mouth talking and defending pure foolishness) and an eternity in hell inside the earth, with Satan? This is what it means to be 'not chosen'. Or would you prefer to be the meek who inherit the surface of earth, in God's kingdom of heaven? What is you choice?

Matthew: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

The Lord Jesus predicted that the very great majority of the billion or so who are called to Christianity will end-up in hell inside the earth with Satan. Therefore, have no doubt, the billion or so who are called to Christianity are at serious risk.

Therefore knowing truth (scriptures), so that you do not err and are chosen is absolutely important. Fact is you guys are in a very sad state.

All your presentations and arguments are absolute foolishness and anti-Christian. At best they are directly related to the Old flawed covenant. They are not at all related to the New covenant. Your risk is very great and grave:

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Make no mistake. There are two covenants. The Old flawed covenant remained untouched for foolish 'pig headed' 'waxed-gross heart-ed' people. And a new covenant was introduced for 'spiritually aware' wise people. The Old covenant is for 'the dead to bury their dead'. The New covenant is for 'those who follow the Lord Jesus'.

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

The KJV N.T. confirms:

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Any which way you 'cut' it, from the billion or so traditional Christians, only a few will make it. The time to get very serious is now. You cannot afford to be sounding or parroting like the masses. If you do, you are guaranteed to be the misled many. If you sound or parrot, like the many, you are guaranteed to be among those who do not know scriptures and the power of God. You will therefore err and not be chosen.

Foolish self-righteous 'common place' arguments are curses onto thee. Your current arguments and ideas seem to come from principalities and powerful people, in high places.

Be warned. There will be and is wickedness in high places, among principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world. They are the false prophets and false spying brethren, within traditional Christianity. There can be no question about this fact:

Ephesians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Do not be caught. Do not be a foolish sitting duck. The Lord Jesus left you correct information and guidelines. Go directly and literally to the KJV N.T.

There will be principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world who will deny and undermine the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (which makes one free from the law of sin and death). The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is literally light and life.

These principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world will do this so as to esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death is literally darkness and death. Their aim is to keep you in darkness. Their aim is to 'any which way' keep you in bondage and servitude to them. Principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world are also and especially the leaders and rulers of traditional Christian churches.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The above revelation defines two different covenants.

One is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. This is life and delivery into God's kingdom of heaven.

The other is the law of sin and death. This is death and delivery to hell inside the earth with Satan . . . i.e. when you die. However while you live you will be kept in bondage and servitude to the church and the leaders who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. There is no liberation under this system, either before death or after death. It is totally about spiritual death and hell.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith (only) to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

The above revelations confirm that 'sin' applies (and comes) only to those who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death and no one else. And they will all fall short of the glory of God.

The few chosen Christians are under the other covenant. The law of sin and death does not apply to them. They are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which make one free from the law of sin and death.

You unfortunate guys, who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death, are clearly under the law of sin and death, all by your lonesome selves. You cannot draw unwilling others into bondage under the law of sin and death, with you. How does it feel, to stand all alone, with your sad and unfortunate choice?

Most likely you were very comfortable when you erroneously believed that everyone is under the law of sin and death. This is the nature of the spiritually dead. They feel good only when they believe that everyone is jeopardized like them. They are not comfortable holding their beliefs among only themselves. Fact is those who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death, are literally on their own, all by their seriously jeopardized lonesome selves.

Now that it is clear the those who are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus are free from the law of sin and death, how does it feel. How does it feel to stand alone with your foolish (law of sin and death) choice? Pretty bad?

Indeed, there are two different covenants. One that is with the law and another one that is without the law.

Those false prophets who are also false spying brethren, who wanted to keep you under the law of sin and death, have fooled, deceived and misled you into believing that there is the only one covenant which is the law of sin and death.

Fact is there is another totally different covenant that is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

You obviously did not know about this other, totally liberating covenant.

You have been duped, deceived, fooled and destroyed by false prophets and false spying brethren from within the very inner sanctum and core of traditional Christianity. This is the modes-operand of these false prophets who are also false spying brethren:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Which covenant do you belong under? Which covenant do you choose? Which covenant are you loyal too? Indeed one killeth the other giveth life, eternal. Which do you esteem, use and promote?

. . . oh foolish ones. Will you walk through the fullness of time totally 'dead' and eventually simply fall off the surface of earth and into hell within the depths of earth, with Satan?

Will you continue to blindly and corruptly prop-up false and corrupt traditional Christianity right into the black portal to hell, inside the depths of earth with Satan? 'Will you do this foolish thing'?

These are the stakes. They are absolutely high.

Gurucam
May 7th, 2016, 08:08 AM
Christians are New people in Christ. Christians do not go to war and fight. They do not go to court. Christians are not under the Old covenant. Christians are under the New Covenant:

Matthew: 5: King James Version (KJV)
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

John: 8 King James Version (KJV)
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Christians are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. This is the New Covenant:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Christians are not under the old covenant. The old covenant is the law of sin and death. The old covenant is flawed.

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

People under the Old flawed covenant are different. They are not Christians. They are Old testament people. They stone their people to death. They also go to court and go to war.

Muslims are O.T. people. They are always fighting among them selves. They do not know about or practice peace. Jews are no more than O.T. people as well. They are fighting among other O.T. people.

However Jews are worse among O.T. people. Jews have come among Christians and corrupt them. Jews came among unsuspecting Christians and misled them. Jews are the false brethren who came as spies among unsuspecting Christians and return them to bondage under the law of sin and death.

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).

This happened mainly in the U.S.A.

Under the founding fathers, the U.S.A. started out quite well, as a pure Christian land. The Jews, who seemed to have wanted an unfair advantage over their O.T. counterparts who they were fighting, infiltrated the U.S.A. They infiltrated the essential Christian people and Christian foundation, of the U.S.A.

Then these Jews successfully but corruptly sold 'the law of sin and death' as a 'Christian thing' to the essential Christian people and the ruling foundation of the U.S.A. Since then, millions of traditional Christians of the U.S.A. very erroneously and totally terminally believe, that the law of sin and death is a part of Christianity.

Note that:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

And since the Jewish corrupt intervention, the U.S.A. has been fighting the essentially O.T. war on behalf of Jews who are O.T. people. The supposed Christian people bought into the false and corrupt idea of the Jews who promoted that they are God's favored people. They are not God's promised people, although they were promised 'a land', by God. Every one is God's people and all will and do go to their respective promised land . . . according to the covenant which they embrace, esteem, use and/or promote.

Proverbs: 23 King James Version (KJV)
7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

If one chooses the law of sin an death as their covenant, they are the dead who bury their dead. When they die they are dispatched to and buried in, the depths of earth, which is hell with Satan. This is the promise land of those who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death, while they live.

On the other hand, if one follow Jesus, when one dies, one will rise to heaven (in three days) to be with the Lord Jesus. They will also eventually inherit the surface of earth, when God's kingdom of heaven fully descends here in the fullness of time. This is the promise land for those who have embraced the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Matthews: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Every revelation in the KJV N.T. relates to one of the two covenants. In the above 'follow me' relates to the New covenant. 'Let the dead bury their dead' relates to the Old flawed covenant.

Fact is every one has a promised land. Know that the promised land for some is hell inside the earth with Satan. And for others the promised land is God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth. And yet, for other it is God's kingdom of heaven in the spirit realm. Rest assured that everyone has a promised land which they inevitably reach.

Therefore, like everyone else, the Jews are promised a land, by God. However this promised land of the Jews is not on the surface of this earth. The Jews are O.T. people and therefore children of the flesh. The surface of earth is not promised to them.

The surface of earth is promised to children of God. They are New Testament people.

According to the KJV N.T., Old testament people are children of the flesh. Also, according to the KJV N.T. they will not inherit the surface of earth, together with children of God, in the fullness of time. According to the KJV N.T., They will be teleported out of here to their promised land.

Only the chosen few are New people in Christ. Only they are children of God. Only the chosen few are children of God. Only children of God will inherit the surface of earth in God's kingdom of heaven. Children of flesh will be teleported, out of the surface of earth, to another destination (inside the depths of earth) which is their promised land.

Christians must totally distance themselves from Jews.

Simply note that the Jews went through a holocaust. Throughout this holocaust, God simply looked the other way. Note also that the Jews aided, supported and encourage the crucifixion of the the physical lord Jesus, their own messiah. Note also, that up to this day, the Jews deny, persecute and undermine the fullness of the Lord Jesus.

Please open your 'spirit eyes', 'spirit ears' and hearts/spirits so that you will be given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom of heave. If you fail to do so, you will accompany these Jews to their actual promised land.

It must be reiterated that: according to the KJV N.T., their promise land is not God's kingdom of heaven, on the surface of earth. According to the KJV N.T., their promised land is hell, inside the depths of earth, with Satan. There is an ongoing separation:

Matthew: 25 King James Version (KJV)
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

This is truth, in the fullness of time. Please accept it in this manner. It is far more kind, compassionate and palatable than what will happen on your judgment day.

Luke: 13 King James Version (KJV)
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Go directly to and use, only the KJV N.T.

Totally drop your reliance on churches, popes, priests pastors.

Gurucam
May 7th, 2016, 01:01 PM
John: 16 KJV N.T.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

There were two presentations of Jesus. He came to earth first as the physical, 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus. Then immediately after his crucifixion (some 2000 odd years ago) He returned as the Spirit, not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus.

Speaking about the Lord Jesus:

1 Corinthians; 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The above confirms very clearly that there were two Jesuses.

The first Jesus was of earth. He was the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus . . . and this first Jesus was not the Lord.

The second Jesus is from heaven. He is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus . . . and this second Jesus is the Lord.

At all events Jesus is the truth. And no one comes onto God but through him:

John: 14 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Therefore, the 'Spirit of Truth' mentioned in John: 16 verse: 13 KJV N.T. above is the Spirit of Jesus (for He is the truth). This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus who is Lord and who is currently in heaven, clad only in his Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, body . . . absolutely no physical body:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The above confirmed that Jesus rose. Also 1 Corinthians; 15 verse: 44 KJV N.T. above confirmed that Jesus rose in a spirit body.

Therefore Jesus is currently in heaven. And He is clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, body and 'seated' on the right side of the Holy Spirit. There He is ready willing and able to make intercession for those who are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and who have accepted their freedom from the law of sin and death.

However this is not the big Christian fact.

John: 16 verses: 7, 12 & 13 KJV N.T. above confirmed that the Spirit of truth (i.e. the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus), came among Christians so as to bring All truth only after the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus, went away by crucifixion and rising to heaven.

Therefore the first coming of Jesus was as the physical 'seen' and temporal son of man Jesus. He was crucified and rose to heaven. He was temporal and he went away.

Then the Spirit of truth came. This is the second coming. This is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus.

Therefore Jesus has already returned a second time. He returned in His Spirit of truth body some 2000 years. He returned among the chosen few Christians (some 2000 years ago) to bring truth. And He has been here since then.

Indeed it was declared 2000 odd years ago that now the Lord is that Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus.

2 Corinthians: 3 7King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Where the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus is present, there is liberty to transgress the law of sin and death, because:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

However these revelations confirmed that Jesus has long returned since some 2000 odd years ago. He is the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus.

Fact is the promise was that Jesus would return in the same way that he rose to heaven. He rose to heaven clad only in a spirit body . . . no physical body.

Acts: i KJV N.T.
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The following confirmed that Jesus rose to heaven clad only in a spirit body:

1 Corinthians; 15 KJV N.T.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Therefore the promise was that Jesus would return clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, body. And he did so some 2000 odd years ago. That is, after he was crucified and rose to heaven.

Even after 2000 odd years, erring traditional Christians are still waiting for the return of the Jesus. And they waiting for him to return in a physical body . . . although the promise is that Jesus will return in the same manner as he rose to heaven and he actually rose to heaven clad only in His Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God body.

These sad and unfortunate traditional Christians are expecting Jesus to return in a physical body. They based their expectation on their own misinterpretation of the following:

Act: 1 KJV N.T.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

This in no way confirmed that Jesus rose to heaven in a physical body. All it confirmed is that Jesus rose to a cloud beyond their sight in his Physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man body. This was simply another miracle of Jesus (like walking on water)so a to make a point to spiritually dead people.

Fact is Jesus rose to heaven clad only in His Spirit body because only his spirit body was from heaven. His physical body was from earth and it was left here.

1 Corinthians; 15 KJV N.T.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Gurucam
May 7th, 2016, 01:41 PM
Traditional Christians have another very serious problem. They are not worshiping the Lord Jesus. Jesus had two presentations. He was a man and He is the lord. Traditional Christians are hitched onto the man and not the Lord. These are the facts:

Speaking about the Lord Jesus:

1 Corinthians; 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The above confirms that the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who walked on earth some 2000 odd years ago is from earth and he is not the Lord.

The above confirms that the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus is from heaven and He is Lord.

God did not promise (to Abraham and his seed) a physical lord Jesus. God promised a Spirit. God promised a Spirit who will intercede between the individual spirit of humans and the Holy Spirit. God promised the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth who will intercede between each Christian human spirits and the Holy Spirit. These facts are further confirmed by:

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The sad fact is that the billion strong traditional Christians have been worshiping the physical 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus for the past 2000 years and according to 1 Corinthians: 15 verses: 35, 44 & 47 of the KJV N.T., he is not lord.

According to 1 Corinthians: 15 verses: 35, 44 & 47 and 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17 of the KJV N.T. The Lord is the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Jesus.

How sad and unfortunate is this?

False prophets and false spying brethren (presented themselves as priest, popes, archbishops, pastors etc. and) entered the very core of the churches and lives of the billion strong traditional Christians. Then they did and continue to do, real big, bad, corrupt and antichrist numbers on them.

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

The above are the wickedness done to innocent unsuspecting aspiring Christians. The result is:

Matthews: 22 KJV N.T.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luke: 13 KJV N.T.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Did the billion strong traditional Christians foolishly expect that the fullness of time will arrive and bring confirmation that every thing is good and correct among them and many or all will be chosen . . . in total defiance of Jesus' many prophesies?

All my post are based totally and literally on KJV N.T. revelations. This will give you guys an opportunity to correct your corrupt ways before too late is the cry.

You all rush in to be brave, bold and confident presenters of (corrupt) Christian theology. You also seek to self-righteously, convert (in the name of Christianity) others according to your self made righteousness which are erroneous anti-christian ideas and ways. Millions are converted to false and corrupt Christianity by (dangerous) self-righteous traditional Christians. Fraud and corruption prosper everywhere in traditional Christianity.

The billion strong traditional Christians are 'the dead who are burying their dead'. They are not the chosen few who found the straight gate and narrow way that leadth onto life.

Matthews: 6 KJV N.T.
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

If your thought has no value then simply accept the KJV N.T. literally and seek to make total sense of it, as is. Do not read and reread the KJV N.T. simply to interpret and reinterpret it.

Fact is the KJV N.T. has no contradictions. It is perfect as is. If you want to have truth which saves and delivers, you have to discern the perfect (none contradicting) harmony in the KJV N.T. It is quite literally the best translation.

Also if one was dunce-y (low I.Q.-ed) in school one can hardly move on to get the messages, correctly, in the KJV N.T. and so be an authentic Christian. The sad fact is, there seems to be loads of truly dunce-y people as leaders in traditional Christianity. In fact, every Tom, Dick and Harry seem to be leaders in traditional Christianity. They are simply destroying themselves and Christianity.

genuineoriginal
May 7th, 2016, 06:22 PM
Christians must totally distance themselves from Jews.
Jesus was a Jew, as were Paul and Peter and the rest of the writers of the New Testament.
Christ, the base of the word Christian, is a Jewish concept: Messiah.
Christians are followers of the Jewish Messiah, Jesus, the Son of God.

Lazy afternoon
May 7th, 2016, 11:34 PM
[COLOR="#0000FF"][B]Fornication and adultery are not sins when those who believe in the Lord Jesus and are led by His Spirit, does those things. This is the Christian position.


Sick.

Gurucam
May 8th, 2016, 04:16 AM
Jesus was a Jew, as were Paul and Peter and the rest of the writers of the New Testament.
Christ, the base of the word Christian, is a Jewish concept: Messiah.
Christians are followers of the Jewish Messiah, Jesus, the Son of God.

Two different generations came forth from the original Jews. These two different generation started from Abraham's two sons, Ishmael and Issac.

One set, (i.e. Ishmael and his generation) remained Jews and children of the flesh who do not inherit God's kingdom of heaven. You will know them for they remained Old people and continued to esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. They have not embraced the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

The other set (i.e. Issac and his generation) ceased being Jews and became Christians. These are the chosen from among all Jews. These are the new people who are in Christ, i.e. they are no longer Jews they have become Christians.

Christians are children of God. You will know these (chosen Jews who are Christians) because they have thrown out the law of sin and death and embraced, use and promote the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

As far as the N.T. goes, only Paul became a new person in Christ. Only Paul achieved communion with and was led by, the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus is Jesus clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God body. This is how to cease being a Jew or Gentile and become Christian.

As far as the N.T. goes, everyone else remained Old people. They remained either Jews or Gentiles. They did not become Christians. At best they had contact and communion with only the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man Jesus who is not Lord.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

From the above revelations:
1. If you are a Christian, you cease being a Jew or Greek.
2. If you are a Christian (and not a Jew or a Greek) you are an heir according to the promise related to the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.
3. Therefore Christians are totally different people from Jews and Greeks.
4. A Christian is a new and different person because he or she is 'in Christ, he or she has put on Christ and so he or she is no longer a Jew or a Greek. The Old has died to give way to the New.

Do not ever compare Christians to Jews and Gentile, that is sacrilege.

Christians are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death. They are not under the law of sin and death. Christians do not esteem, use or promote the law of sin and death. Christians esteem, use and promote the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death.

Jews are different. Jews are under the law of sin and death. They have not converted. They have not embraced or use or promote the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death.

Jews esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. Christians are different. Christians are new and different people. They are not Jews, although they may have previously been Jews. Christians are people who have totally relinquish their Jewish or Greek identity and heritage so as to become New people in Christ.

This means, among other things, they have dropped the law of sin and death and totally embrace, use and promote only the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death. Christians are under only the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death.

The 'promised land' of Jews (i.e. those who remained Old person under the law of sin and death) is hell inside the earth with Satan. Everyone who esteems, use and promote the law of sin and death end in this way.

On the other hand, those Jews who totally drop their past identity and past heritage and become New people in Christ are no longer Jews but Christians. Their promise land is the surface of earth which will be God's kingdom of heaven, in the fullness of time.

Romans: 9 King James Version (KJV)
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (i.e. Ishmael and his generation), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise (i.e. Issac and his generation) are counted for the seed.

This confirms whose seed, bring forth a generation of children of the flesh and whose seed bring forth a generation of children of God. The generation of children of the flesh came from (the seed of) Ishmael. The generation of children of God came from (the seed of) Issac:

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman (Ishmael) was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman (Issac) was by promise.

The generation of Ishmael are today's Jews. The generation of Issac are today's Christians. They are very different people, like chalk and cheese. The Jews are under the law of sin and death. Christians are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Romans: 9 KJV N.T.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gurucam
May 8th, 2016, 04:05 PM
There are two covenants related to two Jerusalems. One Jerusalem is 'bellow' and one is 'above'.

Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
(bondage refers to the law of sin and death . . . the first covenant.)

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(free refers to the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, which makes one free from the law of sin and death . . . the second covenant.)

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

1. The first covenant (is referred to in Galatians: 4 verses: 24 & 25 KJV N.T. above):

The law of sin and death is the first covenant which delivers one to the Jerusalem that is 'below'. This is the promise land of the Jews. This relate to people (including Jews) who continued to esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. The end of the law of sin and death is sin, death and delivery into hell inside the earth, with Satan. This is Jerusalem that is bellow.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
39 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans: 6 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The first covenant is righteousness of God that is with the law. This is the law of sin and death. The above revelation confirms that the law of sin and death is a curse. The above revelations also confirm that, at all events, one who esteems, uses and promotes the law of sin and death, sins and is 'killeth . . . and always ends in hell inside the earth, with Satan. This made the first covenant a curse. And this made it necessary for a new covenant that is without the law of sin and death.

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; (this is the second covenant) :) and thank God.

2. The second covenant (is referred to in Galatians: 4 verse: 26 KJV N.T. above):

"The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death" is the new and other covenant.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

This is righteousness of God that is without the law of sin and death. This new covenant delivers one to the Jerusalem that is above. This is the promise land of Christians.

The second covenant replaced the law of sin and death which is flawed and a curse. The law of sin and death, literally 'killeth' one and buries one inside the earth in hell with Satan . . . this the sad first covenant.

This second covenant relate to people (including Jews and Gentiles) who have been converted to Christianity. They have totally dropped the law of sin and death and instead, totally esteem, use and promote the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

3. The Jerusalem that is bellow is hell inside the depths of earth with Satan. This is the wages of the law of sin and death. The law of sin and death is simply a total curse.

4. The Jerusalem that is above is God's kingdom of heaven in spirit heaven and also God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth, in the fullness of time. This is the wages of the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Do you 'soweth' the old covenant (and boast about it, self-righteously) or do you 'soweth' the new covenant?

If you 'soweth' the Old covenant you will reap Jerusalem that is 'bellow'.

On the other hand, if you 'soweth' the New covenant you will reap Jerusalem that is 'above'.

Everyone is always free to exercise one's free will, regardless of one's I.Q..

A billion strong traditional are foolishly in bondage under the law of sin and death instead of being smartly under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Who do you guys believe is responsible for misleading a billion strong traditional Christians? Who are these false spying brethren and false prophets?

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into * bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

* Bondage relates to the law of sin and death. It relates to esteeming, using and promoting the law of sin and death and therefore being in bondage to uphold all the laws of sin and death perfectly. The following revelation confirm this fact:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

How many of you sad folks have been using (quoting) the law of sin and death to trap your spouses in loveless/Spiritless marriages and so justify your loveless/Spiritless marriages? People, falsely posing as Christians, seem to do this sinful thing, regularly and commonly.

They corruptly promote the false belief that 'believers' are under the law of sin and death. Fact is 'believers' are not under the law of sin and death. 'Believers' are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death . . . fact is these false Christians do not care anything about truth and scriptures. Their aim is to keep their spouses locked in and in servitude to them, any which way. In such unions only seriously doomed, children of the flesh are brought forth.

How many of you have used the law of sin and death in the slightest way and is therefore a debtor to do the whole law of sin and death and is not a Christian?

Seems that most everyone in the billion strong traditional Christianity is in this sad, very unfortunate and untenable predicament . . . and there is the total absence of humility and meekness. Instead they are boldly and aggressively promoting their Anti-Christian rhetoric as Christianity.

Matthew: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

No bold and brazed, 'law of sin and death esteeming' false Christian will inherit the earth.

James: 4 King James Version (KJV)
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
11 But that no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Faith is directly linked to the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus and therefore the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

Only false prophets and false spying brethren will promote that both covenants are the same. The gospel of circumcision is righteousness of God that is with the law. The gospel of un-circumcision is righteousness of God that is without the law.

Traditional Christians have been misled by false prophets and false spying brethren all their lives.

Gurucam
May 9th, 2016, 05:13 AM
A billion strong traditional Christians all foolishly, erroneously and corruptly believe and promote that 'believers' esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death.

The law of sin and death is the ten commandments. It is also called the law. It is a curse.

A billion strong traditional Christians all foolishly, erroneously and corruptly esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death under the equally foolish, erroneous and corrupt belief that they are 'believers' and therefore Christian.

They are all so foolishly, sadly and unfortunately misled and wrong.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Fact is 'believers' are Christians. They are under law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. They actively transgress the law of sin and death so as to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.

The above is the God given justification of 'believers'. This is also totally supported by:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

1. A 'believer' is one who is under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. A 'believer' has God given freedom, liberty and justification to transgress the law of sin and death.

When a 'believer' directly and deliberately transgress the law of sin and death so as to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death he or she is glorified and blessed by God. And he or she brings forth only fruits onto God.

Also when a 'believer' dies he (or she) rises in his or her spirit body. He rises in three days to be like an angel, in heaven. He joins the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus in spirit heaven. Then he become destine by God to return to the surface of earth to inherit God's kingdom of heaven on surface of earth, in the fullness of time. All such people are saved, delivered and sheep.

2. The foolish ones who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death always accrue (get) sin and (spiritual) death. They also always bring forth only fruits onto death. Also when they die, they are always buried in the depths of earth with Satan. They are not 'believers'. They are simply 'the lost', 'the not chosen' and goats.

The serious limitation and blindness of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is that he is "not embarrassed" over new father.

In addition to this unfortunate circumstance, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, heads a church which seems to promotes that the law of sin and death is good and a part of Christianity . . . and this would be far far worse . . . for, if this is so, he is misleading many who are innocently and unsuspectingly seeking to be 'believers' and Christians.

If the above is true then, Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, would be a big time, false spying false brethren and false prophet who is returning millions of innocent, unsuspecting aspiring Christians to bondage under the law of sin and death.

If the above is true, he would be deceiving people who are seeking to be 'believers' and Christians by falsely presenting himself to be Christian.

If Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is foisting the law of sin and death onto his charges, in the name of Christianity, he is not good. This means that he is actively delivering his charges unto guaranteed sin, spiritual death, and hell inside the depths of earth, with Satan. These are the wages and fruits of the law of sin and death.

Clearly if Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has not dropped the law of sin and death and embraced the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death he is an 'unbeliever'. He is definitely not an authentic 'believer' or a Christian. This leaves just one other thing that he can be.

The recent disclosure about the back ground of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby is for your edification. It has surfaced under grace of God. It is meant to alert one and all about the previously hidden truth behind Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby. It is not given for you or anyone else, to attempt a cover-up. It is given for you and everyone else to face up to truth, now, in the fullness of time or perish.

. . . the time to awaken is now, before too late is the cry. One billion traditional Christians are currently, seriously jeopardized. They have not found the straight gate and narrow way that leadeth unto life, everlasting:

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

One billion traditional Christians are currently under the law of sin and death.

Note that life, everlasting is totally opposite to death . . . This is how peoplr end up. These ends (i.e. your 'death' or your 'life') are anchored by two totally different covenants.

The ten commandments is onto sin and death. This is only for 'unbelievers' and/or 'the dead who buries their dead'.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death give life eternal. This is for 'believers' and/or Christians.

These are two distinctly different covenants.

. . . oh foolish ones.

genuineoriginal
May 9th, 2016, 10:47 AM
Fact is 'believers' are Christians. They are under law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. They actively transgress the law of sin and death so as to obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death.
The Christians that heard truth from Jesus Himself had this to say:

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You forget that the covenant Christians are in also says this:

Hebrews 10:16
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Stop saying Christians practice lawlessness.

Matthew 7:23 NASB
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Gurucam
May 9th, 2016, 04:16 PM
The Christians that heard truth from Jesus Himself had this to say:

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The way I discern it is that there are two covenants. One is about death and the other is about life.

1. The Lord reaffirmed the first covenant (the law of sin and death) that was onto death, for 'the dead'.

2. However the Lord Jesus also introduced the other covenant that is anchored on the Spirit of Truth (i.e. His Spirit). This new covenant giveth life. This second covenant is without law of sin and death. This is for spiritually aware people. This based on the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

Therefore what you quoted above is only for those who are under the first covenant.

You are free to choose the one that make sense to you. Each person has God given free will to choose one of the two covenants, that he find wise.

If you chooses the law of sin and death, . . . then the law of sin and death is for you and . . . that is your covenant. You must be satisfied and happy with your choice and you covenant . . . and that is all O.K.

Do not grudge others their choice of the other covenant. Like you they have free choice to choose the other covenant.

I go with the other covenant (not the one you choose). Under this other covenant I get the benefit of Christ, Grace and life as confirmed in the following, KJV N.T. revelation:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Don't you want to benefit from Christ? If you choose, esteem, use and/or promote the law of sin and death in the slightest way you must uphold all the laws of sin and death perfectly . . . and Christ has benefited you nothing and you are not under Grace. Is this your choice?

At any event the law of sin and death was not given to Christians.

1. From the above, Christians are the chosen few who have dropped the law of sin and death and benefited from Christ, Grace and life, eternal.

2. From the following, Christians are the chosen few who believe in the Lord Jesus. They have God given justification to do the things that the law of sin and death, forbid:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. . . . (this did not come through Paul)

The following confirms that there are two covenants. The first one is the law of sin and death and it is flawed. It was replaced with another one that is good.

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. . . . (this did not come through Paul)

For some foolish reason you choose the flawed covenant. Your choice is your free right. Go ahead, not one will stop you. However do not try to stop others from dropping that flawed covenant and embracing the new one. .

genuineoriginal
May 9th, 2016, 04:27 PM
Each of us have God given free will for our use.

I go with the following:

Fornication and adultery are not sins when those who believe in the Lord Jesus and are led by His Spirit, does those things.

If you do not accept these teachings of Paul, then picking and choosing what you will accept from Paul will not do you any good.

1 Corinthians 5:1-2
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

Ephesians 5:3
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Gurucam
May 9th, 2016, 05:34 PM
If you do not accept these teachings of Paul, then picking and choosing what you will accept from Paul will not do you any good.

1 Corinthians 5:1-2
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

Ephesians 5:3
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

I totally accept Paul's deliveries . . all of them, totally and completely.

Paul confirmed that those who believe in the Lord Jesus are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

'Free from the law of sin and death' means just that, free from the law of sin and death.

In case you (in typical traditional Christian styling) do not like Paul, I added that the apostles support Paul's statement above. The apostles confirms that those who believe in the Lord Jesus are justified by God to do the things that were were forbidden under Moses law (i.e. the law of sin and death).

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

It is not like Paul is standing alone and making up his own thing, all by himself. In the above (and in all other things) the apostles totally support Paul. They literally say the same things, all the time.

Your are denying the Apostles. You are denying their revelation that those who believe in Jesus has God given justification to do the things that the law of sin and death forbid.

The above revelation from the Apostles, also confirm that you who esteem, use and promote Moses law does not believe in the Lord Jesus. The apostles confirm that you do not believe in the Lord Jesus. Seems that you are simply an old Moses-ian pretending to be Christian. And Paul is reconfirming what the apostles confirmed, in his revelation:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

There is no difference in the revelations of the apostles and Paul. You are getting the same things, very clearly and coherently, from the apostles and Paul.

. . . if you esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death, Christ has benefited you nothing and you are not under grace. You are totally dead and lost.

It is very simple. You are promoting that everyone must uphold Moses law. However the apostles confirm the very opposite. The apostles confirn that believers have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Clearly you are a false prophet and a false spying brethren. You are simply masquerading as a 'believer'.

It is clear that 'believers' have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death. Whereas 'unbelievers' have no justification to transgress the law of sin and death.

You are not a believer because you do accept that:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

You simply want to stay under the law of sin and death and pretend and falsely project, that you are a believer. Believers know and accept the fact that they have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death. This revelation from the apostles is exactly the same revelation by Paul, in:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

Clearly you are an evil, antichrist person. You are among the false spying brethren mentioned in:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into * bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Fact is you are what you are. Indeed revelations in the KJV N.T. have revealed what you are and so be it. My aim here is to shield innocent unsuspecting aspiring Christians from been misled by you (a proven false prophet) . . . this is why I engage you. You seem to have passed the point of no return.

Gurucam
May 9th, 2016, 07:01 PM
Ephesians 5 King James Version (KJV)
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Saints are under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which mades them free from the law of sin and death.

This means that they are not subjected to the law of sin and death, as unbelievers. As believers, they have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extra marital sex . . and so be it.

This means when they use the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus they get no sin when they do the things that were sinful under the law of sin and death.

Therefore the fornicating, adultery and extra marital sex of Saints are blessed by God and God glorifies Saints when they are led into these acts, by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. This is because those acts always bring forth only fruits onto God/children of God.

However, it seems that Saints can have lapses. If Saints (like fallen angels) fail to be led by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ and they fornicate, commit adultery and have extra marital sex. These acts are carnal, unclean and sinful.

Therefore your quote above is simply a warning to Saints to not fall from grace. That is not fall away from being under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death because if they do, then their fornication, adultery and extramarital sex will not be covered by God. It will be ordinary and carnal and earn them sin.

They are being told to not practice carnal fornication, carnal adultery and carnal extra marital sex (like those who are under the law inevitably do and bring forth only children of the flesh).

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

However Saints can practice fornication, adultery and extra marital sex if they are led to do so by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which made them free from the law of sin and death.

This fornication, adultery and extra marital sex would not be carnal but blessed. This fornication, adultery and extra marital sex will bring forth only children of God.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (that we should bring forth fruit unto God)

The verse which you quoted cannot oppose Paul's other revelation which says:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of * bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

The verse which you quoted above is simply a warning to Saints to not go back under the law of sin and death . . . because if they do go back under the law of sin and death, when they fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex it will be carnal, sinful and bring them death and hell. And they will bring forth only children of the flesh (like Ishmael)

The verse which you quoted above is simply a warning to Saints to stay under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death. This will ensure that when they fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex, it will be under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from the law of sin and death. Then their fornication, adultery and extramarital sex will be done under grace of God and they will get no sin but instead be glorified by God. And they will bring forth only children of God (like Issac).

The verse which you quoted above is simply a warning to to succumb to false spying brethren because if they do succumb to false spying brethren, then their fornication, adultery and extra marital sex will be carnal and sinful and not under grace of God and blessed:

Galatians: 2
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into * bondage (i.e. under the law of sin and death).

Gurucam
May 10th, 2016, 08:27 AM
. . . further support for post# 118 above.

Ephesians 5 King James Version (KJV)
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

The above mentions "as becometh saints".

(Traditional Christians are foolish. They ignore these important qualifying phrases which must be fully recognized and totally considered. By doing so they totally misguide themselves.)

The question is:

What is fornication, adultery and extramarital sex as becometh unbelievers as compared to fornication, adultery and extramarital sex which becometh believers or Saints?

The apostles confirmed that 'believers' have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death (They are justified by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.):

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Therefore, believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex. No less than all the apostles confirm that believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex.

The following is the difference between fornication, adultery and extramarital sex as becometh unbelievers as compared to fornication, adultery and extramarital sex which becometh believers or Saints:

1. Fornication, adultery and extramarital sex as becometh 'unbelievers' is done under the law of sin and death. This brings forth only children of the flesh and lead (or bring) everyone involved to sin, death and delivery to hell inside the earth with Satan. This is according to the first flawed covenant.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (i.e. children of the flesh, like Ishmael).

2. On the other hand fornication, adultery and extramarital sex as becometh 'believers' (i.e. saints) is done under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (which makes one free from the law of sin and death). This is according to the second covenant.

Fornication, adultery and extramarital sex under this Spirit based covenant bring forth only fruits onto God (i.e. children of God) and also brings everyone involved to Grace, glorification by God, eternal life and God kingdom of heaven.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (that we should bring forth fruit unto God, like Issac)

For those under the first flawed 'law based' covenant: fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is a sin. For those under the second and new 'Spirit based' covenant: fornication, adultery and extramarital sex is a blessing.

Therefore the revelation which you quoted is simply telling 'believers or saints to not esteem the law of sin and death because their fornication, adultery and extramarital sex will be sinful and lead to death and hell and they will bring forth only children of the fresh.

The opening revelation is also telling 'believers' or saints: be sure to stay under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes you free from the law of sin and death. And you will always be: blessed by God, under grace of God, be delivered into God's kingdom of heaven and bring forth only children of God. . . . this is the critical and literal message in Ephesians 5 verse: 3 of the King James Version N.T.

genuineoriginal
May 10th, 2016, 04:29 PM
Therefore, believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex.
You are mistaken.

1 Corinthians 10:5-8
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

Gurucam
May 11th, 2016, 07:16 AM
Note that: all things here, that are posted in green, are direct and literal quotes from the KJV N.T.

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

No less than all the apostles confirm that believers who are Saints have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death (i.e. the ten commandments).

More precisely: No less than all the apostles confirm that believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex.

(Note that the mother of Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, fornicated, committed adultery and had extramarital sex to bring forth Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby . . . therefore this matter is relevant to this thread. This is not to say that they are 'believers' and therefore justified to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex.

Fact is, they both seem to esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death. Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby esteems, uses and promote the law of sin and death in his church. Therefore neither son nor mother can be or are believers. They are unbelievers. Therefore their fornication, adultery and extramarital sex will inevitably be carnal and sinful and bring forth only children of the flesh (as a rule))

Traditional Christians go directly to deny, corrupt and undermine the above revelations (i.e. Acts: 13 verse: 39 KJV N.T.). They are foolish and they remain foolish because they do not seek to find out Why? and How?

They do not go onto find out How? and Why? . . . believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex.

However for the edification of the genuine seeker of truth and Truth (not the pretend seeker), these questions are clearly, literally and precisely answered in the KJV N.T.:

1. The fact is the law of sin and dead is a curse. It is no good.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

2. The law of Moses is no good because it is called the law of sin and death . . . this means that it leadeth onto death. Only the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus giveth life:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3. The law of Moses is no good because when you are under the law of sin and death you bring forth only fruits onto death:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (i.e. children of the flesh, like Ishmael).

4. The law of Moses is no good because, if you esteem. use and promote the law of sin and death, Christ is become of no effect unto you, ye are fallen from grace:

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5. The law of Moses is no good because now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (that we should bring forth fruit unto God, like Issac):

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (that we should bring forth fruit unto God, like Issac)

6. The law of Moses is no good because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

7. The law of Moses is no good because all who are under the law of sin and death fall short of the glory of God:

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
39 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith (only to) them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God:

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (this means that every one who is under the law sins)

Romans: 6 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

8. The law of Moses is no good because Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

9. The law of Moses is no good because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus had to materialize and redeem humans from the curse of the law of sin and death, by freeing them from the law of sin and death:

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

10. The law of Moses is no good because no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
11 But that no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

11. The law of Moses is no good because since 2000 odd years ago, the righteousness of God without the law is manifested:

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; (this is the second covenant) and thank God:

12. The law of Moses is no good because it is the first covenant and it is flawed:

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

:idea: Beware of 'spiritually dead' people who are false prophets and false spying brethren. They esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death so as to trap their spouses in loveless/Spiritless unions. They continue to have loveless/Spiritless procreative sex and bring forth only children of the flesh, like Ishmael.

Simply by esteeming, using and promoting the law of sin and death, they are all sinners and product of sin and they all end in hell, inside the depths of earth, with Satan. This is the all embracing curse of the law . . . No one who esteem, uses and promote the law of sin and death (even in the slight way) gets away.

These people who invoke the law of sin and death do not care about their spouse, children or anyone else. They care only about keeping their spouse in line to suit their own carnal, sinful, 'killething', loveless and Spiritless comfort. They do this in total denial, persecution and blasphemy of all of the following God given revelations:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (i.e. children of the flesh, like Ishmael).

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Hebrews: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (that we should bring forth fruit unto God, like Issac)

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now (since 2000 odd years ago) the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; (this is the second covenant) and thank God:

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
11 But that no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

:idea: Fact is, people who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death (even in the slightest way) are not 'believers'. The apostles all confirmed this fact in absolute clarity:

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

:idea: All the above good boys (i.e. God given KJV N.T. revelations) confirm that the law of sin and death is evil and a curse and inevitably and invariably leads one to sin and death and delivery into hell inside the earth with Satan. If one is under the law of sin and death there is no escaping these things.

However some unfortunate people choose and want this for themselves, their family, friends and associates . . . when righteousness of God that is without the law of sin and death has been available for the past 2000 odd years. This is through the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Oh how foolish, unfortunate and lost are some people.

People who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death (even in the slightest way) are not concerned with and do not earn, salvation, deliverance and eternal life.

Some of them pretend to be confused by the KJV N.T. However they are never confused when it comes to corruptly propping-up the law of sin and death. In fact to prop-up the law of sin and death they will discard, deny, persecute, blaspheme, throw-out, relegate, corrupt and/or undermine any revelation in KJV N.T., according to their fancy . . . Genuineoriginal is one such example, beware.

Seems that Genuineoriginal might just have a spouse locked and obedient (on Genuineoriginal's terms) in a loveless/Spiritless marriage by invoking and enforcing the law of sin and death on his or her spouse.

Hey, you have to set your spouse free. Indeed he or she must always be free to leave. If he or she is bonded to you by Love/Spirit (i.e. by God), he or she will return or never leave. Then he or she belongs in a marriage with you (i.e. if you are Christian). This is both the ordinary and acid test for Christians. Esteeming, using, invoking and promoting the law of sin and death is not for Christians

If your spouse goes away, well your marriage is not put together by God. Or it is no longer held together by God. It must be dissolved . . . and so be it.

For Christians, love is the only thing that creates and keeps, their marriages together. Things like marriage vows, the law of sin and death etc. counts for nothing. Then if and when love wanes (and it can) Christian marriages have ended. That is as far as God is concerned (i.e. under grace of God) the marriages have ended.

Then it will be natural, spontaneous, graceful and pleasing for the parties to such marriages to end those marriages. They must end their marriages and move on to other spouses or no spouse. This is the Christian way of life. Christians were freed from the law of sin and death and other Old traditions, so that they can live in this liberated (love based/Spirit based) manner:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (children of God, like Issac)

Also this is not a one time test. This is an on going test. Christians must always be sure that passionate love is the motivator and glue of their marital union and especially their procreative sex. If for any reason and at any time passionate love has waned from one procreating unions (including marriages), such procreating unions must be dissolved. This is the Christian way of life. This is how to live in and under, Grace of God.

. . . continued in the next post # 122

Gurucam
May 11th, 2016, 09:51 AM
. . . from previous post # 121

1 Corinthians: 7 verses: 13 & 14 KJV N.T. is not about bringing forth children. It is about being separated from a loveless/Spiritless marriage. It is about being justly separated from a loveless/Spiritless spouse.

It about letting your spouse who esteem, use, promote and quote the law of sin and death leave your marriage, if he or she wants to leave. It is about supporting and sanctioning marital separation and divorce.

1 Corinthians: 7 KJV N.T.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

The above says the same thing as:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (children of God, like Issac)

Many people quote the ten commandments to justify, force or imprisoned their spouses in loveless marriages. This is wrong.

Fact is spouses (who are believers) are free to be separated from loveless/Spiritless marriages. They must not be forced to stay in a loveless/Spiritless marriage and have loveless sex. Marriages are not forever.

The sad fact is that people who esteem, use and promote the law of sin and death also quote the law of sin and death to justify trapping their spouses, in their loveless/Spiritless marriages.

The even sadder fact is that they falsely believe that they are 'believers". They are not the 'believers". 'Believers' do not esteem, use, promote or quote the law of sin and death.

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

No less than all the apostles confirm that believers who are Saints have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death (i.e. the ten commandments).

More precisely: No less than all the apostles confirm that believers who are Saints have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex.

The ones who esteem, use, promote and evokes the law of sin and death (to uphold loveless/Spiritless marriages) are the 'unbeliever' who are departing. The ones who esteem, use, promote and evoke the law of sin and death are the evil ones. This is totally supported by the following revelations:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Gurucam
May 12th, 2016, 09:13 AM
People who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death do not care about their spouse, children or anyone else.

Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
11 But that no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

They care only about keeping their spouse in line to suit their own carnal, sinful, 'killething', loveless and Spiritless comfort. They do this in total denial, persecution and blasphemy of the following God given revelation (and many others):

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death (i.e. children of the flesh, like Ishmael).

The above is coupled with being free from (i.e. becoming dead to) the law of sin and death:

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

The above (Romans: 7 verse: 5 KJV N.T.) confirms that people who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death delight in carnal sex and bringing forth only children of the flesh (like Ismael). Children of the flesh will not inherit the surface of earth, with children of God (like Issac), in God's kingdom of heaven, in the fullness of time. . . . note this very carefully.

People who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death must note that all their fruits are 'fruits onto death'. None are fruits onto God. Their fruits, through sexual procreation are all children of the flesh and not any children of God.

'Children of the flesh' will not inherit the surface of earth, together with 'children of God', in God's kingdom of heaven, in the fullness of time. . . . if you need further clarification of this fact, please ask, it is not provided in this post.

People who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death delight in bringing forth children of the flesh.

All 'children of the flesh' (fruits onto death) are addressed by the Lord Jesus, as follows: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" . . . this is hell inside the depth of earth with Satan.

On the other hand all 'children of God' (fruits onto God) are addressed by the Lord Jesus as follows: "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" . . . this is God kingdom of heaven, both in spirit heaven and also on the surface of earth, in the fullness of time.

It is simply. People esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death so that they can quote it for their spouses and so keep their spouses locked in loveless/Spiritless marriage, with them.

People who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death delight in carnal, loveless, Spiritless sex. They do not care that their spouses do not love them and want to be separated from them. They do not care that God (who is love) is not in their union. They just want to stay with their spouse, 'any which way' and have carnal sex with him or her. Love/God/Spirit does not matter to these people who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death. They are totally dead to love and/or Spirit. They are 'the dead who are burying their dead'.

Also they misguidedly, blindly, foolishly and corruptly believe that they are 'believers' because they esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death. They are not 'believer'.

Fact is 'believers' have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death . . . and they accept this God given justification and they do transgress the law of sin and death. "Believer" do not esteem, use, promote and/or invoke the law of sin and death.

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Fact is the ones who accept that they have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death and exercise that justification, are the 'believers' And they have every God given justification to leave or be separated from, their spouses who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death. Because those who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death are unbelievers.

At all events, believes (i.e. those who are not under the law of sin and death) are justified by God to be separated from unbelievers (i.e. those who esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of sin and death).

Believers have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death (for very good reasons):

Acts: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Believers have God given justification to transgress the law of sin and death so that they will stop bringing forth fruits onto dead and start bring forth fruits on to God.

With respect to procreative sex, believers have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex so that they can serve in the newness of spirit and so stop bringing forth children of the flesh and start bringing forth only children of God.

Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

genuineoriginal
May 15th, 2016, 06:30 AM
believers have God given justification to fornicate, commit adultery and have extramarital sex
Fornication, adultery, and extramarital sex is just as much a sin when done by a Christian as when done by an unbeliever.

Ephesians 5:3
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;