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heir
April 15th, 2016, 10:19 AM
Are you? If not, why not?

chrysostom
April 15th, 2016, 10:21 AM
Are you? If not, why not?

no
-the bible says we must overcometh

Ktoyou
April 15th, 2016, 10:24 AM
Chrys is not eternally secure

:idea: seek Chrys, seek!

chrysostom
April 15th, 2016, 10:25 AM
Chrys is not eternally secure

:idea: seek Chrys, seek!

says the person who finds what is not there
-and
-ignores what is there

heir
April 15th, 2016, 10:25 AM
no
-the bible says we must overcomethYou are reading someone else's good news which is bad news to you (Galatians 1:8-9 KJV).

Ktoyou
April 15th, 2016, 10:27 AM
says the person who finds what is not there
-and
-ignores what is there

You do not have to listen to me, listen to Heir. Get saved!

chrysostom
April 15th, 2016, 10:29 AM
You do not have to listen to me, listen to Heir. Get saved!

I have to overcometh those like you and heir

Ktoyou
April 15th, 2016, 10:36 AM
I have to overcometh those like you and heir

Two side of a coin, arrogance and stupidity. Wake up! Turn to Jesus, not a corrupt church. The catholic church today is like the High Priest Jews who wanted to see Jesus crucified. You bet, if Jesus came back in the flesh today, the Catholic church would condemn Him as a heretic.

Get with it! Turn to Christ, not a plastic man-made institution.

chrysostom
April 15th, 2016, 10:43 AM
Two side of a coin, arrogance and stupidity. Wake up! Turn to Jesus, not a corrupt church. The catholic church today is like the High Priest Jews who wanted to see Jesus crucified. You bet, if Jesus came back in the flesh today, the Catholic church would condemn Him as a heretic.

Get with it! Turn to Christ, not a plastic man-made institution.

stop repeating what you have been told
-and
-start thinking for yourself
-it is not too late

Ktoyou
April 15th, 2016, 11:30 AM
Heir has the correct message.

Epoisses
April 15th, 2016, 12:03 PM
We are eternally secure in Christ. The flesh will often deceive us and say we're going to hell. SHUT UP...Flesh!!

meshak
April 15th, 2016, 02:17 PM
Heir has the correct message.

You seem to rely on men's opinion.

Jesus' teachings are not complicated. You don't need anyone to learn His teachings.

Totton Linnet
April 15th, 2016, 02:26 PM
If any man hear My words and believe on Him who sent Me he HATH eternal life



....if you hath this eternal life it is not complicated, if you do not have it, it is very complicated

Grosnick Marowbe
April 15th, 2016, 02:28 PM
no
-the bible says we must overcometh

Overcometh what?

Grosnick Marowbe
April 15th, 2016, 02:30 PM
You seem to rely on men's opinion.

Jesus' teachings are not complicated. You don't need anyone to learn His teachings.

Meshak rejects the true Gospel for today and prefers to live under the Law. She's hoping her good will outweigh her bad and will gain her eternal life. Good luck with that little Meshak.

Grosnick Marowbe
April 15th, 2016, 02:32 PM
Heir has the correct message.

AMEN to that.

Grosnick Marowbe
April 15th, 2016, 02:35 PM
stop repeating what you have been told
-and
-start thinking for yourself
-it is not too late

Why don't you stop doing what the Pope says? He has nothing of any true value to say. If he doesn't hear the Gospel for today and place his faith in Christ, he'll be headed for judgement and the Lake of Fire.

heir
April 15th, 2016, 08:55 PM
I have to overcometh those like you and heirLOL Morelike, stop listening to those who call themselves your "fathers" because this is who they are (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 KJV).

heir
April 15th, 2016, 08:58 PM
stop repeating what you have been told
-and
-start thinking for yourself
-it is not too lateHeed your own advice! 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV Trust the Lord believing IT and be saved right NOW.

heir
April 15th, 2016, 08:59 PM
You seem to rely on men's opinion.

Jesus' teachings are not complicated. You don't need anyone to learn His teachings.

Get saved, meshak. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV is your only hope for salvation and to be eternally secure in Christ (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV).

glorydaz
April 15th, 2016, 09:04 PM
no
-the bible says we must overcometh

Overcome what, Chrys?

Jesus overcame the world, so what does that leave that needs to be overcome?

patrick jane
April 15th, 2016, 09:08 PM
I used to live my life not knowing if I had eternal secure salvation. Now I know I do and it changed my life. No uncertainty, worry or fear.


Come on the Dirt Road, see what Y'all missin'
Damascus Dirt road - Follow Paul


https://youtu.be/Lb9q1ScC4cg

heir
April 15th, 2016, 09:22 PM
no
-the bible says we must overcomethNope.

heir
April 15th, 2016, 09:23 PM
I used to live my life not knowing if I had eternal secure salvation. Now I know I do and it changed my life. No uncertainty, worry or fear.:up:

Bociferous
April 16th, 2016, 08:51 AM
Are you? If not, why not?

Like all humans, I'm eternally secure but temporally challenged.
God's decrees are based in either the ETERNAL or TEMPORAL aspect of reality. We study to show ourselves approved in part by discerning which are His Eternal decrees and which are Temporal.

For example some years ago a common atheist put-down of the Bible was making the rounds on theology boards. They argued that God was wishy washy, He sometimes changed His mind and other times didn't. They were ignorant (Rom 8:7) of the Temporal/Eternal distinction. In eternity God is sovereign as immutability is the nature of eternality (1Sam 15:29, Jer 4:28, etc.). When He participates with man in time, He abides by the mutable nature of the temporal (Jer 26:13, Exo 19:5, etc.) where things can change.

Similarly, my Arminian and Calvinist brethren argue ad infinitum about what is to my thinking a non-existent problem, e.g., whether eternal salvation is guaranteed or can be lost. It's necessary to first figure out whether we're hearing God's ETERNAL or TEMPORAL decree in the Bible.

One of these is an eternal decree, the other temporal:

Jn 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

Jn 8:24 "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."

The power of God shows in that He inspired His authors to to record their intuitions in ways that follow the temporal/eternal rule.

Think about it.

SaulToPaul
April 18th, 2016, 09:40 AM
Are you? If not, why not?

Hid with Christ, in God, far above all heavens.
What can get to me?

SaulToPaul
April 18th, 2016, 09:42 AM
no
-the bible says we must overcometh

Have you overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil as Christ did?
No, it's not looking too good for you, is it?

Samie
April 18th, 2016, 09:55 AM
the bible says we must overcometh
Overcome what, Chrys?KJV Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


Jesus overcame the world, so what does that leave that needs to be overcome?KJV John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

KJV 1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

KJV Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

chrysostom
April 18th, 2016, 10:09 AM
Are you? If not, why not?


no
-the bible says we must overcometh


Overcome what, Chrys?

Jesus overcame the world, so what does that leave that needs to be overcome?

you have to do your part
-get to work

Samie
April 18th, 2016, 10:13 AM
KJV Revelation 2:7 . . . To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

KJV Revelation 2:11 . . . He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

KJV Revelation 2:17 . . . To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

KJV Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

KJV Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

KJV Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

KJV Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

KJV Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

SaulToPaul
April 18th, 2016, 10:24 AM
you have to do your part
-get to work

Poor lost soul...

Tambora
April 18th, 2016, 10:59 AM
The deeds of Christ secures me.
My deeds do not.

glorydaz
April 18th, 2016, 07:40 PM
you have to do your part
-get to work

I believed. Now my part is to trust HIM to do His work in and through me. There's a great deal of peace in resting in HIM.

glorydaz
April 18th, 2016, 07:51 PM
KJV Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

KJV John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

KJV 1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

KJV Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Yes, those are all verses from the Bible. :chew:

heir
April 20th, 2016, 11:12 AM
Hid with Christ, in God, far above all heavens.
What can get to me?:up: Absolutely nothing, brother!

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

heir
April 20th, 2016, 11:14 AM
you have to do your part
-get to work

Titus 3:5 KJV

heir
April 20th, 2016, 11:15 AM
KJV Revelation 2:7 . . . To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

KJV Revelation 2:11 . . . He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

KJV Revelation 2:17 . . . To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

KJV Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

KJV Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

KJV Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

KJV Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

KJV Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. None of which have anything to do with the church, the Body of Christ. Your only hope is His faith (Galatians 2:16 KJV, Titus 3:4-7 KJV).

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

heir
April 20th, 2016, 11:19 AM
Poor lost soul...yep 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV