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whatever67
April 2nd, 2016, 03:44 PM
There is the scripture about not repeating prayers as the pagans do

Then there is the psg that would contradict that one, the parable Jesus told about the widow who kept pestering the judge to give her justice, and he, not fearing God nor man, finally nonetheless gave her what she wanted.

then there is Thessalonians that says to pray unceasingly

Whoever says the Bible is easily understood by just about anyone, well, probably doesn't know the Bible very well

:think::think:

patrick jane
April 2nd, 2016, 04:43 PM
There is the scripture about not repeating prayers as the pagans do

Then there is the psg that would contradict that one, the parable Jesus told about the widow who kept pestering the judge to give her justice, and he, not fearing God nor man, finally nonetheless gave her what she wanted.

then there is Thessalonians that says to pray unceasingly

Whoever says the Bible is easily understood by just about anyone, well, probably doesn't know the Bible very well

:think::think:

Don't repeat vain babblings is what it means, yes pray unceasingly, but read everything in context of the chapters around it. It's easy to understand. I think at this point in your life you're ready for a King James Bible - simple english and to the point. I only use KJV.

Matthew 6:7 KJV -

commonsense
April 2nd, 2016, 04:57 PM
There is the scripture about not repeating prayers as the pagans do

Then there is the psg that would contradict that one, the parable Jesus told about the widow who kept pestering the judge to give her justice, and he, not fearing God nor man, finally nonetheless gave her what she wanted.

then there is Thessalonians that says to pray unceasingly

Whoever says the Bible is easily understood by just about anyone, well, probably doesn't know the Bible very well

:think::think:

I think at this point in your life you should realize that the bible was written by dozens of authors with different perspectives, different histories, different points of view, and yes different theologies. That's the simple explanation for the hundreds of discrepancies in the bible. Tranquility.

Epoisses
April 2nd, 2016, 05:38 PM
There is the scripture about not repeating prayers as the pagans do

Then there is the psg that would contradict that one, the parable Jesus told about the widow who kept pestering the judge to give her justice, and he, not fearing God nor man, finally nonetheless gave her what she wanted.

then there is Thessalonians that says to pray unceasingly

Whoever says the Bible is easily understood by just about anyone, well, probably doesn't know the Bible very well

:think::think:

The bible is one gigantic contradiction! That's why we need the Spirit to guide us. And that's the Holy Spirit not the spirit of wickedness in high places.

Totton Linnet
April 2nd, 2016, 06:22 PM
There is the scripture about not repeating prayers as the pagans do

Then there is the psg that would contradict that one, the parable Jesus told about the widow who kept pestering the judge to give her justice, and he, not fearing God nor man, finally nonetheless gave her what she wanted.

then there is Thessalonians that says to pray unceasingly

Whoever says the Bible is easily understood by just about anyone, well, probably doesn't know the Bible very well

:think::think:

The poor widow did not have beads to count the Ave Marias and Pater Nosters off on....see the difference?

Totton Linnet
April 2nd, 2016, 06:24 PM
I think at this point in your life you should realize that the bible was written by dozens of authors with different perspectives, different histories, different points of view, and yes different theologies. That's the simple explanation for the hundreds of discrepancies in the bible. Tranquility.

Could you jot down one or two DOCTRINAL discrepancies for us? let's see if they stack up

Bradley D
April 2nd, 2016, 09:05 PM
I believe that Luke 18:1-8 and the parable of the widow expresses earnest prayer. There is babbling prayer where one can rattle off memorized prayer, but not really concentrate on what they are saying. The widow was earnest. Jesus wanted to know upon His return would He find earnest Christians.

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8).

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 11:26 PM
There is the scripture about not repeating prayers as the pagans do

Then there is the psg that would contradict that one, the parable Jesus told about the widow who kept pestering the judge to give her justice, and he, not fearing God nor man, finally nonetheless gave her what she wanted.

then there is Thessalonians that says to pray unceasingly

Whoever says the Bible is easily understood by just about anyone, well, probably doesn't know the Bible very well

:think::think:

We are not to have memorized repeated prayers.
That doesn't mean we cannot repeatedly ask for something.
To pray without ceasing is about staying in tune with the Holy Spirit living inside you.

6days
April 2nd, 2016, 11:29 PM
I think at this point in your life you should realize that the bible was written by dozens of authors with different perspectives, different histories, different points of view, and yes different theologies. That's the simple explanation for the hundreds of discrepancies in the bible. Tranquility.
Yes...dozens of authors with different perspectives, different histories, different points of view,...but all totally consistent internally... and externally. There are no contradictions in God's Word.

Stuu
April 3rd, 2016, 01:58 AM
1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1 Chronicles 1:11:1 Adam, Sheth, Enosh,
1:2 Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered,
1:3 Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech,

Genesis 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.,
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD
10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.
10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
10:20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.
10:21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.
10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
10:23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.
10:24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
10:26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
10:27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,
10:28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
10:29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.
10:30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.

Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
1:2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
1:3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
1:4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
1:7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
1:8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
1:9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
1:10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
1:13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
1:14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

The writer of Luke does it backwards:

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
3:24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
3:25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
3:26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
3:27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
3:28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
3:29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
3:30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
3:31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
3:32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
3:33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
3:34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
3:35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
3:36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
3:37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Stuart

Epoisses
April 3rd, 2016, 02:33 PM
I believe that Luke 18:1-8 and the parable of the widow expresses earnest prayer. There is babbling prayer where one can rattle off memorized prayer, but not really concentrate on what they are saying. The widow was earnest. Jesus wanted to know upon His return would He find earnest Christians.

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8).

Earnest is not the same as faith. The Roman centurion who was commended for his faith simply said 'speak the word only, Lord and my servant will be healed'. He believed in Jesus and trusted his word. No endless, vain pleading.

commonsense
April 17th, 2016, 07:21 PM
Could you jot down one or two DOCTRINAL discrepancies for us? let's see if they stack up Sure, give me a chance and I'll do that for you...but let's face it- with like 1200 different denominations I'm sure Christians themselves will provide me with plenty of doctrinal disputes.

commonsense
April 17th, 2016, 07:27 PM
[QUOTE=6days;4667173]Yes...dozens of authors with different perspectives, different histories, different points of view,...but all totally consistent internally... and externally. There are no contradictions in God's Word.


Really?...

6days
April 17th, 2016, 07:51 PM
Yes...dozens of authors with different perspectives, different histories, different points of view,...but all totally consistent internally... and externally. There are no contradictions in God's Word.
Really?... Yup...Really!

Lon
April 17th, 2016, 08:01 PM
Sure, give me a chance and I'll do that for you...but let's face it- with like 1200 different denominations I'm sure Christians themselves will provide me with plenty of doctrinal disputes.
Sadly, I've done this for you in the past. You are a bad record with a major etched scratch problem called 'die-hard-skeptic-regardless.'
It always skips to the end with a terrible noise missing all the tracks. I don't like the way you play records....or theology.

There are only 7 -9 denominations with slight differences that make up for your large affiliations. Don't mistake the two (but you will.....again).

Dude. This is your personality and choice problem.

You likely don't remember me or having this conversation. You'll likely forget again. I don't try to chew my cabbage twice.

Lon
April 17th, 2016, 08:07 PM
There is the scripture about not repeating prayers as the pagans do

Then there is the psg that would contradict that one, the parable Jesus told about the widow who kept pestering the judge to give her justice, and he, not fearing God nor man, finally nonetheless gave her what she wanted.

then there is Thessalonians that says to pray unceasingly

Whoever says the Bible is easily understood by just about anyone, well, probably doesn't know the Bible very well

:think::think:
Or English, apparently. Is that it? Skeptics, agnostics, and atheists just attained terribly in school? :think: :think:
(Seriously, THINK! this is a waste of my intellectual prowess and time)

Lon
April 17th, 2016, 08:12 PM
1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Stuart
Kind of like this thread, no? I'm sure the emphasis and implication is lost on you as well :(

Totton Linnet
April 18th, 2016, 02:25 PM
Sure, give me a chance and I'll do that for you...but let's face it- with like 1200 different denominations I'm sure Christians themselves will provide me with plenty of doctrinal disputes.

Why do you worry about denominations? just point out where the bible contradicts itself doctrinally

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 03:09 PM
Why do you worry about denominations? just point out where the bible contradicts itself doctrinally
Sure...which gospel do you preach?

The gospel of the kingdom
the gospel of the circumcision
the gospel of the uncircumcision
the gospel of God
the gospel of Christ
the gospel of the grace of God
the everlasting gospel

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 03:32 PM
[QUOTE=Lon;4679086]

"There are only 7 -9 denominations with slight differences that make up for your large affiliations. Don't mistake the two (but you will.....again)." Lon

Overlooking your dismissive condescension, (in your complete post), with only slight differences in theology, I suppose you would have no problem worshipping in a Baptist church one Sunday, a Catholic next, after that a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness church the week after that? Maybe a Pentacostal? After all, they're separated by only slight differences. I come to the conclusion that you're unconcerned or unaware of the different theologies based on the Bible.
Maybe you should study up....

Lon
April 29th, 2016, 03:48 PM
Overlooking your dismissive condescension, (in your complete post)
No. Don't. it was done for a purpose. You have 'commonsense' in your name. I challenge that as I ever have. Your sentiment is becoming more common, but it has no sense. You are simply an angry agnostic/atheist as any as I've ever come across.


with only slight differences in theology, I suppose you would have no problem worshipping in a Baptist church one Sunday, a Catholic next, after that a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness church the week after that? Maybe a Pentacostal? After all, they're separated by only slight differences. I come to the conclusion that you're unconcerned or unaware of the different theologies based on the Bible. I'm incredibly better studied than you will ever be with your bias and arrogance intact. Pray for my arrogance. I work against it but this thread kind of took the wind out of my sails in the attempt.

Maybe you should study up....
You are ignorant. I'm not saying ignoramus, so don't take it that way. Simply, you've not a lot of clue and thus your name, though genuinely portrayed on TOL, is not actually common-sense. Common-sentiment? Sure. You really don't know what you are talking about here. Forgive my dismissive attitude. I have a hard time with ignorant arrogance -Lon


Sure...which gospel do you preach?

The gospel of the kingdom
the gospel of the circumcision
the gospel of the uncircumcision
the gospel of God
the gospel of Christ
the gospel of the grace of God
the everlasting gospel
When you throw in cults, we can all be as crazy and wacky as we want to be, but such isn't 'common-sense.' :Plain: There is only one gospel, today. You are obfuscating whether you are 'apt' to understand that or not. From what you've said in thread and in the past, you are entirely too arrogant. You just didn't and don't have the theological prowess you'd project. Not even close. You have NO reason to be an agnostic/atheist. None. :nono: You are too cocky for your own good.

6days
April 29th, 2016, 04:02 PM
Why do you worry about denominations? just point out where the bible contradicts itself doctrinally
Sure...which gospel do you preach?

The gospel of the kingdom
the gospel of the circumcision
the gospel of the uncircumcision
the gospel of God
the gospel of Christ
the gospel of the grace of God
the everlasting gospel
In other words... you are unaware of of even one instance of the Bible contradicting itself doctrinally. You believe...but without evidence.

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 04:09 PM
You are simply an angry agnostic/atheist as any as I've ever come across. Lon

You're completely wrong...I hope your ego doesn't explode. I'm amused, bemused, been in your shoes and grew. Been where you are and thankfully commonsense prevailed.

I'm incredibly better studied than you will ever be with your bias and arrogance intact. Pray for my arrogance. I work against it but this thread kind of took the wind out of my sails in the attempt. Lon

Nope can't agree to pray for you.

You are ignorant. I'm not saying ignoramus, so don't take it that way. Simply, you've not a lot of clue and thus your name, though genuinely portrayed on TOL, is not actually common-sense. Common-sentiment? Sure. You really don't know what you are talking about here. Forgive my dismissive attitude. I have a hard time with ignorant arrogance -Lon

You're not alone.


When you throw in cults, we can all be as crazy and wacky as we want to be, but such isn't 'common-sense.' :Plain: There is only one gospel, today. You are obfuscating whether you are 'apt' to understand that or not. From what you've said in thread and in the past, you are entirely too arrogant. You just didn't and don't have the theological prowess you'd project. Not even close. You have NO reason to be an agnostic/atheist. None. :nono: You are too cocky for your own good.

Lol. Thanks for the well wishes. And...yes I can't work the quote thingy properly so don't start!

Lon
April 29th, 2016, 04:23 PM
Lol. Thanks for the well wishes. And...yes I can't work the quote thingy properly so don't start!
It isn't that hard :Plain:


You're completely wrong...I hope your ego doesn't explode. I'm amused, bemused, been in your shoes and grew. Been where you are and thankfully commonsense prevailed. I'm entirely too arrogant to ever believe that. I know God is there. You couldn't possibly have been here.


Nope can't agree to pray for you.
The only response you could have given... Went without saying, no?


You're not alone. Yeah I am. I said 'ignorant' AND arrogant. You really, truly, despite your inept self-assessment, are clueless. Your every post ever proves the point. Tell you what, ask on TOL if anyone thinks you have theological prowess? :nono: I'd be willing to ask the same (actually have that feedback on here). Look at 6-days above as a 'taste' of what I guarantee is site-wide. You have no foundation for common-sense here. None. Nada.

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 04:24 PM
You have NO reason to be an agnostic/atheist. None. :nono: You are too cocky for your own good.

Surely agnostic/atheist is the default position for any child/person not indoctrinated. Why should I not be so ? Although indoctrinated. People around the world generally follow the religion they've been brought up in. Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Moslem...Were you trained up to be Christian? In any case was the society you were brought up in predominately Christian? Is this why you are not Taoist?

Lon
April 29th, 2016, 04:31 PM
Surely agnostic/atheist is the default position for any child/person not indoctrinated. Why should I not be so ? Although indoctrinated. People around the world generally follow the religion they've been brought up in. Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Moslem...Were you trained up to be Christian? In any case was the society you were brought up in predominately Christian? Is this why you are not Taoist? You are making excuses. I do not come from a Christian family and I live in the most unchurched state in the union. I don't believe agnostic or atheist can be the default position. Both are held cognizant.

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 05:15 PM
You are making excuses. I do not come from a Christian family and I live in the most unchurched state in the union. I don't believe agnostic or atheist can be the default position. Both are held cognizant.

God Bless America...seriously, USA is the best neighbour a nation could have. Ever. But you have to admit, everywhere in USA, is seriously Christian influenced and so were you. This is why you don't worship the thousands of gods that have disappeared in the mists of time. You don't worship Ba'al....why would you? You haven't been exposed. But you have been surrounded by "God"....and so you succumb. Which God though...? Yahweh, Elohim, El Shaddai, different gods of the Old Testament somehow amalgamated into the God presented in the NT.

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 05:27 PM
In other words... you are unaware of of even one instance of the Bible contradicting itself doctrinally. You believe...but without evidence.
Not admitting that at all...would you admit the bible contradicts itself in instances of fact, or history, or science? Well...is the Bible inerrant or not? Don't be timid...commit!

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 05:34 PM
Lon:
You are too cocky for your own good.[/QUOTE]

That's rich...coming from you..lol

Lon
April 29th, 2016, 05:42 PM
God Bless America...seriously, USA is the best neighbour a nation could have. Ever. But you have to admit, everywhere in USA, is seriously Christian influenced and so were you. This is why you don't worship the thousands of gods that have disappeared in the mists of time. You don't worship Ba'al....why would you? You haven't been exposed. But you have been surrounded by "God"....and so you succumb. Which God though...? Yahweh, Elohim, El Shaddai, different gods of the Old Testament somehow amalgamated into the God presented in the NT.
Er, 97% unchurched is 97% unchurched, both as a city and state. This is likely some more of your 'common-sense' that isn't, no?

There are many stories of conversions world-wide. This one is just 'Western' bias so you are wrong, despite protestation. Think more than you currently do.

Lon
April 29th, 2016, 05:44 PM
That's rich...coming from you..lol Of course it is. Unlike you, I have the where-with-all to back it up.
Now go back to your room and think about what is 'rich' and coming from 'me.'

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 05:48 PM
Or English, apparently. Is that it? Skeptics, agnostics, and atheists just attained terribly in school? :think: :think:
(Seriously, THINK! this is a waste of my intellectual prowess and time)

I have a feeling Lon gets beat up on a regular basis

Lon
April 29th, 2016, 05:49 PM
I have a feeling Lon gets beat up on a regular basis

I have a feeling Lon gets beat up on a regular basis
Meh, I was heading for macho against the inane. I'll pass.

Since you aren't praying, I'll have to do so on my end and try and stay self-controlled.

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 06:00 PM
Er, 97% unchurched is 97% unchurched, both as a city and state. This is likely some more of your 'common-sense' that isn't, no?

There are many stories of conversions world-wide. This one is just 'Western' bias so you are wrong, despite protestation. Think more than you currently do.
Come on liar...you live in a city and a state that is 97% unchurched...I call BS...Dude why do you have to try and live bigger than reality on the internet? You have a major problem. I don't fear you, more like pity you Oh great pretend intellect. Something most have happened to you during childhood...

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 06:03 PM
Come on liar...you live in a city and a state that is 97% unchurched...I call BS...Dude why do you have to try and live bigger than reality on the internet? You have a major problem. I don't fear you, more like pity you Oh great pretend intellect. Something most have happened to you during childhood...
Lets post privately to heal this rift....

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 06:09 PM
Lets post privately to heal this rift....

If your mommy says OK

6days
April 29th, 2016, 06:24 PM
...would you admit the bible contradicts itself in instances of fact, or history, or science? Well...is the Bible inerrant or not? Don't be timid...commit!

Yes, God's Word is inerrant and will always be in harmony with history and science. And, as Totten said, the Bible never contradicts itself doctrinally. There are NUMEROUS instances of historians or evolutionists claiming the Bible was wrong... however, archaeology and science has proved the skeptic wrong.

Dr Luke (Gospel of Luke) was perhaps the world's greatest historian. The research Luke did is reflected in the accuracy of his account. The Gospel of Luke is just one of many historically accurate Books in God's Word.

The Gospel of Luke besides numerous mentions of things with historical and archaeological significance also mentions;
32 countries
54 cities
9 islands.

Because of the numerous mention to countries and cities, Sir William Ramsay thought that this book would be the easiest one to disprove. He along with his archaeological team set out to Asia Minor to prove the Bible wrong. But... a funny thing happened. "Ramsay became so overwhelmed with the evidence he eventually converted to Christianity"

Ramsey said "I began with a mind unfavorable to it...but more recently I found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topography, antiquities, and society of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth"

Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy...this author should be placed along with the very greatest historians."
http://www.bibleevidences.com/archeology.htm
(I had wrote and posted this previous)

Interesting how so many people say the Bible is filled with errors. Yet for many who are willing to study it with an open mind, such as Sir William Ramsay, it is inerrant.

dodge
April 29th, 2016, 06:26 PM
Sure, give me a chance and I'll do that for you...but let's face it- with like 1200 different denominations I'm sure Christians themselves will provide me with plenty of doctrinal disputes.

Scripture differences NOT denominational differences.......BIG difference.

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 06:42 PM
Yes, God's Word is inerrant and will always be in harmony with history and science. And, as Totten said, the Bible never contradicts itself doctrinally. There are NUMEROUS instances of historians or evolutionists claiming the Bible was wrong... however, archaeology and science has proved the skeptic wrong.

Dr Luke (Gospel of Luke) was perhaps the world's greatest historian. The research Luke did is reflected in the accuracy of his account. The Gospel of Luke is just one of many historically accurate Books in God's Word.

The Gospel of Luke besides numerous mentions of things with historical and archaeological significance also mentions;
32 countries
54 cities
9 islands.

Because of the numerous mention to countries and cities, Sir William Ramsay thought that this book would be the easiest one to disprove. He along with his archaeological team set out to Asia Minor to prove the Bible wrong. But... a funny thing happened. "Ramsay became so overwhelmed with the evidence he eventually converted to Christianity"

Ramsey said "I began with a mind unfavorable to it...but more recently I found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topography, antiquities, and society of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth"

Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy...this author should be placed along with the very greatest historians."
http://www.bibleevidences.com/archeology.htm
(I had wrote and posted this previous)

Interesting how so many people say the Bible is filled with errors. Yet for many who are willing to study it with an open mind, such as Sir William Ramsay, it is inerrant.

6days...I have to say that I'm in disagreement with your position, and I'll gladly post a rebuttal, with respect, in short order... unlike the unfortunate situation I find myself in with the obviously out-gunned, out-thought loser Lon....

Lon
April 29th, 2016, 06:58 PM
Come on liar...you live in a city and a state that is 97% unchurched...I call BS...Dude why do you have to try and live bigger than reality on the internet? You have a major problem. I don't fear you, more like pity you Oh great pretend intellect. Something most have happened to you during childhood...
:nono: 20% 'weekly attendance' 3% membership affiliation. By the numbers, they estimate that those 20% are not regular attenders all of them, but rather average out to regular attendance. You lose. Again, you have NO reason to be a skeptic, atheist, agnostic.
You like that role, without reason or rhyme. :Plain:

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 08:51 PM
:nono: 20% 'weekly attendance' 3% membership affiliation. By the numbers, they estimate that those 20% are not regular attenders all of them, but rather average out to regular attendance. You lose. Again, you have NO reason to be a skeptic, atheist, agnostic.
You like that role, without reason or rhyme. :Plain:

Again I have every reason to be a sceptic, to doubt what you proclaim....because you are without any scientific evidence for your beliefs, sigh, you seem like a smart guy, a guy I would gingerly kick your a** in chess because without you I'd have to play even dumber people...Lon not as dumb as some but dumber than most

commonsense
April 29th, 2016, 09:07 PM
:nono: 20% 'weekly attendance' 3% membership affiliation. By the numbers, they estimate that those 20% are not regular attenders all of them, but rather average out to regular attendance. You lose. Again, you have NO reason to be a skeptic, atheist, agnostic.
You like that role, without reason or rhyme. :Plain:

OK so name city and state so your statistics can be independably verified....Lon-Liar...I call BS you're pathetic

Lon
April 29th, 2016, 10:09 PM
OK so name city and state so your statistics can be independably verified....Lon-Liar...I call BS you're pathetic
Look it u (http://cities.barna.org/barna-cities-the-top-churchless-metro-areas/)p. Then see here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unchurched_Belt). I'm one of the gray no-religion states indicating predominance. You :loser:'d
Again I have every reason to be a sceptic, to doubt what you proclaim....because you are without any scientific evidence for your beliefs, sigh, you seem like a smart guy, a guy I would gingerly kick your a** in chess because without you I'd have to play even dumber people...Lon not as dumb as some but dumber than most
Implied profanity. Name calling... I pretty much know your academic prowess at this point. Chess, not really playing it now. Brawn? Yep. Looks? I dunno.

Lon-Liar...I call BS you're pathetic... dumber than most

I said you were 'ignorant,' not an ignoramus :Plain: That figures too.

What are you, 16? This the kind of atheist/agnostic? :Plain: