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katiecrna
April 2nd, 2016, 09:16 AM
I am around a lot of Jewish cultures and families here. I am Christian, I believe Jesus is God. But A few things that I, as an outsider observe that I like about the Jewish culture is...

They appear to be very tight net group of people that just focus on their own religion and they don't worry about others in the sense that they mind their own business and don't put energy into converting others and controlling or telling others how to live. They just appear to be focused on their relationship with God and their family.

Sometimes "Christians" are more into telling everyone else what to do them they are focused on God themselves. Sometimes Christians can be very judgmental.

Another thing is... Jewish people seem to have a set rules and beliefs. Yes there are different secs Of Jewish religions with different beliefs but when I learn about their beliefs I can understand how they get to that and I can follow it in the bible (New Testament).

Sometimes I feel like Christians are watered down, or Luke warm in comparison. I know this sounds bad but sometimes I think Christians live how they want to, and then they find scripture to back up their lifestyle. As apposed to reading scripture and living their life. I think that sometimes Christians pick and choose what they want to believe and follow and when they don't want to do something they say.... Well that was in a different context and shouldn't be taken literal. I mean people are against homosexuality but then don't stand against divorce as passionately, or women who don't wear head coverings or women that cut their hair...

I believe that Jesus is God, but I am going through through a time in my life where I am questioning with what I think God really wants us to live like and how o actually live if that makes sense. I really admire the Jewish culture and their determination to keep the culture alive.

Any thoughts?

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 10:47 AM
I am around a lot of Jewish cultures and families here. I am Christian, I believe Jesus is God. But A few things that I, as an outsider observe that I like about the Jewish culture is...

They appear to be very tight net group of people that just focus on their own religion and they don't worry about others in the sense that they mind their own business and don't put energy into converting others and controlling or telling others how to live. They just appear to be focused on their relationship with God and their family.

Sometimes "Christians" are more into telling everyone else what to do them they are focused on God themselves. Sometimes Christians can be very judgmental.

Another thing is... Jewish people seem to have a set rules and beliefs. Yes there are different secs Of Jewish religions with different beliefs but when I learn about their beliefs I can understand how they get to that and I can follow it in the bible (New Testament).

Sometimes I feel like Christians are watered down, or Luke warm in comparison. I know this sounds bad but sometimes I think Christians live how they want to, and then they find scripture to back up their lifestyle. As apposed to reading scripture and living their life. I think that sometimes Christians pick and choose what they want to believe and follow and when they don't want to do something they say.... Well that was in a different context and shouldn't be taken literal. I mean people are against homosexuality but then don't stand against divorce as passionately, or women who don't wear head coverings or women that cut their hair...

I believe that Jesus is God, but I am going through through a time in my life where I am questioning with what I think God really wants us to live like and how o actually live if that makes sense. I really admire the Jewish culture and their determination to keep the culture alive.

Any thoughts?

The Jewish culture does not obey God, nor can they.

How is there anything admirable once that happens?

The Jews who do not come to Christ are just as cut off and condemned as all else who do not believe in Jesus.

PureX
April 2nd, 2016, 11:21 AM
Most Jews do not believe that Judaism is the only pathway to God. They believe it is the only pathway to God, for Jews. Therefor, they have no reason to proselytize their beliefs to others or to condemn anyone who doesn't agree with or follow their beliefs.

Sadly, this is not so of most Christians. Most Christians believe that religious Christianity is the only possible way for any human being to recognize and relate to God and that anyone who does not agree with this is wrong, and is "lost" to their own ego and selfishness (and is therefor condemned unless they repent). Which is why we never see Jews going from door to door proselytizing their religious doctrines to strangers, nor generally judging and condemning their fellow humans as a mater of course.

Regarding the Bible, it is my understanding that most Jews use scripture as inspiration to contemplate the mysterious relationship between mankind and "God". And do not perceive the texts as though they were written by God, Himself. Whereas many religious Christians view their Bible as a 'how-to' manual for what to believe and how to act because they perceive it to have been written by God, Himself.

From my perspective, these would be good reasons to reject Christianity in favor of Judaism, except for the message and promise of Christ. Which is to my mind the essence of Christianity, and the reason to be a Christian. That is the message that God's love acting in us and through us to each others, will heal us and save us from ourselves. And if enough of us will accept this message and live for this promise, heaven and earth will become one, and we will dwell in 'Eden' with God, once again.

I believe in this message, and the promise that comes with it, as I have experienced that healing love in my own life and have seen it at work in the lives of others. So for that reason I remain a Christian. Although not a particularly religious one. Because I think it's the religion of Christianity that has lost it's way, and succumbed to it's own authoritarianism and self-righteousness.

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 11:48 AM
I really admire the Jewish culture and their determination to keep the culture alive.


Christ led Jacob's people out of Egypt to build a holy nation. At Horeb Christ told Moses to strike a certain rock and water would flow out of it so the people could drink. The rock symbolized Christ and the water symbolized his Spirit. (1 Corinthians 10:4)

Previously, Christ told Abraham to circumcise his flesh which was to symbolize circumcision of the heart. Jesus said the flesh profits nothing and Paul explained that physical circumcision was irrelevant. A true Jew is one who has circumcision of the heart. (Deuteronomy 10:16)(Deuteronomy 30:6)

Paul taught that a true Jew is one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter... (Romans 2:25-29)

Jesus said, "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie — indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet and to know that I have loved you." (Revelation 3:9)

Jesus was not referring to Jacob's people, he was referring to those who claim to have a circumcised heart but they really don't. They don't keep Christ's Sabbath or Passover, they don't follow his dietary restrictions which are for the purpose of sanctification, they don't subscribe to Jesus' gospel of God's kingdom of which he is the King and will be a King of kings.

Jesus is King of the Jews, the true Jews. (Luke 23:38)

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 12:20 PM
Christ led Jacob's people out of Egypt to build a holy nation. At Horeb Christ told Moses to strike a certain rock and water would flow out of it so the people could drink. The rock symbolized Christ and the water symbolized his Spirit. (1 Corinthians 10:4)

Previously, Christ told Abraham to circumcise his flesh which was to symbolize circumcision of the heart. Jesus said the flesh profits nothing and Paul explained that physical circumcision was irrelevant. A true Jew is one who has circumcision of the heart. (Deuteronomy 10:16)(Deuteronomy 30:6)

Paul taught that a true Jew is one inwardly and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter... (Romans 2:25-29)

Jesus said, "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie — indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet and to know that I have loved you." (Revelation 3:9)

Jesus was not referring to Jacob's people, he was referring to those who claim to have a circumcised heart but they really don't. They don't keep Christ's Sabbath or Passover, they don't follow his dietary restrictions which are for the purpose of sanctification, they don't subscribe to Jesus' gospel of God's kingdom of which he is the King and will be a King of kings.

Jesus is King of the Jews, the true Jews. (Luke 23:38)

Are you giving mixed messages?

The dietary laws were to make one's self clean, just to be able to eat the Passover meal.

No one has to clean themselves to eat the Passover meal anymore, for Jesus is the Passover and his blood cleans us.

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 02:13 PM
The dietary laws were to make one's self clean...


Do you understand what sanctification means? The kingdom of God is not about food. (Romans 14:14)

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 03:23 PM
Do you understand what sanctification means? The kingdom of God is not about food. (Romans 14:14)

You are the one that was defending the dietary law. If you were not, then say so, but do not be underhanded and act as if I am the one who does not understand.

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 03:25 PM
Are you giving mixed messages?

The dietary laws were to make one's self clean, just to be able to eat the Passover meal.

No one has to clean themselves to eat the Passover meal anymore, for Jesus is the Passover and his blood cleans us.
jamie is having a problem with responding to my post. Maybe she will have a change of heart and answer correctly.

patrick jane
April 2nd, 2016, 03:57 PM
I am around a lot of Jewish cultures and families here. I am Christian, I believe Jesus is God. But A few things that I, as an outsider observe that I like about the Jewish culture is...

They appear to be very tight net group of people that just focus on their own religion and they don't worry about others in the sense that they mind their own business and don't put energy into converting others and controlling or telling others how to live. They just appear to be focused on their relationship with God and their family.

Sometimes "Christians" are more into telling everyone else what to do them they are focused on God themselves. Sometimes Christians can be very judgmental.

Another thing is... Jewish people seem to have a set rules and beliefs. Yes there are different secs Of Jewish religions with different beliefs but when I learn about their beliefs I can understand how they get to that and I can follow it in the bible (New Testament).

Sometimes I feel like Christians are watered down, or Luke warm in comparison. I know this sounds bad but sometimes I think Christians live how they want to, and then they find scripture to back up their lifestyle. As apposed to reading scripture and living their life. I think that sometimes Christians pick and choose what they want to believe and follow and when they don't want to do something they say.... Well that was in a different context and shouldn't be taken literal. I mean people are against homosexuality but then don't stand against divorce as passionately, or women who don't wear head coverings or women that cut their hair...

I believe that Jesus is God, but I am going through through a time in my life where I am questioning with what I think God really wants us to live like and how o actually live if that makes sense. I really admire the Jewish culture and their determination to keep the culture alive.

Any thoughts?

Tight Knit group, not net. Yes i know what you mean, that's why if I ever find a wife a want a Jewish woman, then I'll convert her

patrick jane
April 2nd, 2016, 03:59 PM
katie ? are you republicanchick ?

katiecrna
April 2nd, 2016, 04:36 PM
Is that a person on this forum? Or are you asking how I vote? No j am not republicanchick and I am a democrat :)

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 07:06 PM
You are the one that was defending the dietary law.


The dietary restrictions have to do with sanctification, which has to do with Christ's kingdom.

If you don't believe Christ's dietary restrictions won't set you apart from unbelievers just try it for a week.

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 07:07 PM
jamie is having a problem with responding to my post. Maybe she will have a change of heart and answer correctly.


Jamie was out to dinner.

Nihilo
April 2nd, 2016, 08:54 PM
I am around a lot of Jewish cultures and families here. I am Christian, I believe Jesus is God. But A few things that I, as an outsider observe that I like about the Jewish culture is...

They appear to be very tight net group of people that just focus on their own religion and they don't worry about others in the sense that they mind their own business and don't put energy into converting others and controlling or telling others how to live. They just appear to be focused on their relationship with God and their family.

Sometimes "Christians" are more into telling everyone else what to do them they are focused on God themselves. Sometimes Christians can be very judgmental.

Another thing is... Jewish people seem to have a set rules and beliefs. Yes there are different secs Of Jewish religions with different beliefs but when I learn about their beliefs I can understand how they get to that and I can follow it in the bible (New Testament).Sounds like the mormons. :idunno:

Sometimes I feel like Christians are watered down, or Luke warm in comparison. I know this sounds bad but sometimes I think Christians live how they want to, and then they find scripture to back up their lifestyle. As apposed to reading scripture and living their life. I think that sometimes Christians pick and choose what they want to believe and follow and when they don't want to do something they say.... Well that was in a different context and shouldn't be taken literal. I mean people are against homosexuality but then don't stand against divorce as passionately, or women who don't wear head coverings or women that cut their hair...

I believe that Jesus is God, but I am going through through a time in my life where I am questioning with what I think God really wants us to live like and how o actually live if that makes sense. I really admire the Jewish culture and their determination to keep the culture alive.

Any thoughts?Try reading the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (http://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html).

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 08:59 PM
The dietary restrictions have to do with sanctification, which has to do with Christ's kingdom.

The kingdom is not a matter of eating and drinking. There are not different kingdoms when it comes to God.


If you don't believe Christ's dietary restrictions won't set you apart from unbelievers just try it for a week.

Anyone can fast. The Holy Spirit is the one who sets people apart and sanctifies.

patrick jane
April 2nd, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jamie was out to dinner.
Did you follow dietary restrictions ?

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 09:13 PM
The Holy Spirit is the one who sets people apart and sanctifies.


The holy spirit is the power of the Father. Jesus compared the holy spirit to water. (John 7:38-39)

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 09:14 PM
The holy spirit is the power of the Father. Jesus compared the holy spirit to water. (John 7:38-39)

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 09:14 PM
Did you follow dietary restrictions ?


Yes.

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 09:19 PM
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.


Jesus was conceived by the Father.


And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you. Therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)

The Father is the Highest.

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jesus was conceived by the Father.


And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you. Therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)
The Father is the Highest.

Jesus' Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jesus' Spirit is the Holy Spirit.


Yes, Jesus and his Father are unified and all power has been given to Jesus.

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 09:57 PM
Yes, Jesus and his Father are unified and all power has been given to Jesus.

I believe that Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Bible says there is only One Spirit.

jamie
April 2nd, 2016, 10:38 PM
I believe that Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God. The Bible says there is only One Spirit.


Unified means as one.

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 10:54 PM
Unified means as one.

Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit.

Nihilo
April 2nd, 2016, 11:10 PM
When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, the first to hear the Word of God. The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."

And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus. (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm#839)

katiecrna
April 3rd, 2016, 07:51 AM
Some sects of Jews not only have dietary restrictions which is in their Torah, but they also still sacrifice animals (chickens). Which is obviously in their Torah.

I think that as a Christian, we obviously believe in the while bible, but it's hard to decide which rules apply today and which ones don't. And I understand that this is not the point, I love Jesus and I know that loving him and serving others is the point. But what if... Like these things really are important to God? You know what I mean? The reality is, we don't really know, maybe God wants us women to stop cover our heads during prayer ect.
I just want to make God happy and do the right thing.

God's Truth
April 3rd, 2016, 08:49 AM
Some sects of Jews not only have dietary restrictions which is in their Torah, but they also still sacrifice animals (chickens). Which is obviously in their Torah.

I think that as a Christian, we obviously believe in the while bible, but it's hard to decide which rules apply today and which ones don't. And I understand that this is not the point, I love Jesus and I know that loving him and serving others is the point. But what if... Like these things really are important to God? You know what I mean? The reality is, we don't really know, maybe God wants us women to stop cover our heads during prayer ect.
I just want to make God happy and do the right thing.

You will not find God in any denomination, for they all teach falseness.

We are to search for God, and we do that by getting Jesus' teachings.

We find God by obeying Jesus' teachings.

Greek2Me
April 3rd, 2016, 08:19 PM
It is certainly commendable that most Jews are “tight knit”, but Christians are also encouraged to support one another, both spiritually and in more tangible ways. (Sorry that we often fall short here). But I'm not sure they should be commended for “minding their own business” and not “putting their energy into converting others”, since this is the command of Christ, to, “Go and make disciples of all nations...(Matt 28:19). Failing to do so is to leave those for whom Christ died in darkness and subject to the coming judgement of God. I've recently spent some time with a wonderful Jewish man who bluntly told me, “Most Jews have absolutlely NO interest in converting Gentiles. We are God's Chosen People. If Gentiles all go to hell, they deserve it. What is that to us?” This is a far cry from, “God so loved the WORLD (Gentiles), that He gave His only Son....(John 3:16)

As to your criticism of Christians as “..telling everyone else... very judgmental...watered down... finding Scripture to back up their lifestyle...” All I can do is sigh, bow my head and ask God to forgive my brothers and sisters in Christ (and MYSELF at times) for living FAR below the standard that He set for those who claim to be his followers.

Your pointed criticisms are all too often true, and it is to the shame of the true Church. One day we will have MUCH to explain to our Lord, and I don't see it going smoothly or pleasantly on that Day. Please be patient, God is still working on most of us. But I am thrilled to know a great many who live as sanctified believers every day, showing His love, grace sacrifice to all the lost.

So do not confuse the value of a “cultural faith” with a “salvation faith”. While the Jews have MUCH for which they should be commended, they have rejected their Messiah, whom God promised and then actually SENT to draw them back to Himself! Admire the Jews. Pray for the Jews. But between the two, I would gladly claim as brothers and sisters those battered, former sinners, who often “get it wrong”, and fall short of their own claims. Because, one day, the Righteous One will return, cleanse us FULLY, and welcome us to be with Him forever.

In your later post, you said, "I just want to make God happy and do the right thing." And this is exactly what He wants to accomplish in you. He sacrificed His Son to make it possible and sends His Spirit to fill those who believe in order to make it reality. Trust in Him, keep that "I want to make God happy" attitude and you will find that you do exactly that! May the God of Truth and Holiness bless you each and every day as you live for Him!

Greek2Me
April 3rd, 2016, 08:40 PM
Keep in mind that the various Old Testament "laws and regulations" fell into three categories; moral, civil and ceremonial. The first group, "moral laws" (i.e. Thou shalt not...) were absolute, for all time, and are each repeated throughout New Testament to emphasize that they are still fully in effect. The second group is related to societal and criminal activities and (I believe) that God has given men the authority to enact, amend or remove them as needed. The third group, "ceremonial laws" had to do with "rituals of purity", involving various "washings" and "covering" of sins" through blood sacrifices. This last group (including the dietary laws) are those which Jesus "came to fulfill" (Matt 5:17) and WERE completely fulfilled in the perfect life and death of Jesus, and hold no effect on the believer today. Most attempts to "keep them" are attempts to somehow "add our own touch of righteousness" to the sacrifice of Christ, hardly necessary when He said "It is FINISHED", declaring that all which needed to be done to accomplish salvation HAD been done, and there was nothing to be added to it. It may take a bit of study to determine which are only "ritual" (and not applicable today), but the Holy Spirit will guide you here.

Danoh
April 3rd, 2016, 10:58 PM
You're off base as to the third group - there is James in Acts 21 - with thousands of Jews which believe - keeping that third category.

Why? Because their issue is the issue of outer cleansing.

A cleansing that could never make the comers therein perfect inwardly; which is what Christ accomplished.

But submit to their outward cleansing rituals as Messianic Jews said Messianic Jews in Acts (even Paul when in their midst), had remained under, as guided by the Spirit.

Said third category was a sanctification, not a justification issue - within Messianic Judaism, then still on the scene.

chair
April 4th, 2016, 03:13 AM
Christ led Jacob's people out of Egypt to build a holy nation. ...

Say what?!

jamie
April 4th, 2016, 07:51 AM
Say what?!


It's an aspect of Paul's teaching.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. (1 Corinthians 10:1-4)

chair
April 4th, 2016, 01:06 PM
It's an aspect of Paul's teaching...


AH. Safely ignored then. Thanks for clarifying.