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Robert Pate
April 1st, 2016, 09:03 AM
Paul said to the Galatians, "This only would I learn of you, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith?" (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

I have noticed on the forum that Calvinist, Catholics and others avoid the question of how we receive the Holy Spirit, like it is some sort of sinful secret. The Bible makes it very clear that the Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. On the day of Pentecost they came to know Christ as their savior by the thousands because Peter preached the Gospel, Acts 2:41

Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

Calvinist don't really want to talk about how they received the Holy Spirit because they don't have the Holy Spirit. They apparently believe that they just woke up one morning and to their amazement they discover that they had been zapped with the Holy Spirit.

Catholics are little more subtle about how they received the Holy Spirit. They apparently believe that some time after baptism into the Catholic church they receive the Holy Spirit. You don't have to hear or believe anything.

The Bible teaches that if you don't have the Holy Spirit you do not belong to God. The Holy Spirit is God's identifying mark of ownership. God knows who are his by their Spirit. We hear the Gospel, we believe the Gospel and we receive the Holy Spirit.

"That we should be to the praise of his glory, WHO FIRST TRUSTED IN CHRIST. In whom you also trusted after you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION: in whom after that you believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise" Ephesians 1:12, 13.

There it is. We hear the Gospel and trust in Christ. When we hear the Gospel and believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise and now belong to God. Does the Holy Spirit make us holy? No, we only receive the "First fruits" of the Spirit, which is the down payment of the Spirit, Romans 8:23. We receive enough of the Holy Spirit to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel, but not enough to make us holy and without sin.

jamie
April 1st, 2016, 09:23 AM
We receive enough of the Holy Spirit to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel, but not enough to make us holy and without sin.



Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love...
(Ephesians 1:3-4)

Without blame means without sin.

Robert Pate
April 1st, 2016, 10:46 AM
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love...
(Ephesians 1:3-4)

Without blame means without sin.

Do you think that you are without sin? Paul confessed that he was, "The Chief of Sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.

The only way that you can be holy and without blame is for God to see you "In Christ".

jamie
April 1st, 2016, 11:52 AM
Paul confessed that he was, "The Chief of Sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.


Yes, in days gone by he sinned against Jesus Christ, but he turned and was forgiven. (Galatians 2:17)

Robert Pate
April 2nd, 2016, 08:21 AM
Yes, in days gone by he sinned against Jesus Christ, but he turned and was forgiven. (Galatians 2:17)

When Paul wrote 1 Timothy 1:15 he was a Christian. You don't understand how a person can confess that they are a sinner and still be a Christian because you don't understand the Gospel. You don't understand the Gospel because you don't have the Holy Spirit. You don't have the Holy Spirit because you have never called on Christ to save you.

patrick jane
April 2nd, 2016, 09:00 AM
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love...
(Ephesians 1:3-4)

Without blame means without sin.

That is how God will see us in the end, we are not holy, blameless and sinless now on earth. God sees us as blameless because of the work of His Son Jesus Christ.
Your post has nothing to do with the OP

Totton Linnet
April 2nd, 2016, 07:14 PM
That is how God will see us in the end, we are not holy, blameless and sinless now on earth. God sees us as blameless because of the work of His Son Jesus Christ.
Your post has nothing to do with the OP

Beloved Patrick I must disagree...we ARE spotless and perfect now in God's eyes

Nick M
April 2nd, 2016, 08:00 PM
No, he said he was first. He was an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ, yet reconciled. "Proto" is first.

patrick jane
April 2nd, 2016, 08:14 PM
Beloved Patrick I must disagree...we ARE spotless and perfect now in God's eyes
Sure, God is well pleased by your life

Bradley D
April 2nd, 2016, 08:25 PM
God the Father only sees us sinless through the blood of Christ.

patrick jane
April 2nd, 2016, 10:17 PM
That is how God will see us in the end, we are not holy, blameless and sinless now on earth. God sees us as blameless because of the work of His Son Jesus Christ.
Your post has nothing to do with the OP

That's pretty much what I said. The work is Christ's Blood

God's Truth
April 2nd, 2016, 11:49 PM
Paul said to the Galatians, "This only would I learn of you, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith?" (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

I have noticed on the forum that Calvinist, Catholics and others avoid the question of how we receive the Holy Spirit, like it is some sort of sinful secret. The Bible makes it very clear that the Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. On the day of Pentecost they came to know Christ as their savior by the thousands because Peter preached the Gospel, Acts 2:41

Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

Calvinist don't really want to talk about how they received the Holy Spirit because they don't have the Holy Spirit. They apparently believe that they just woke up one morning and to their amazement they discover that they had been zapped with the Holy Spirit.

Catholics are little more subtle about how they received the Holy Spirit. They apparently believe that some time after baptism into the Catholic church they receive the Holy Spirit. You don't have to hear or believe anything.

The Bible teaches that if you don't have the Holy Spirit you do not belong to God. The Holy Spirit is God's identifying mark of ownership. God knows who are his by their Spirit. We hear the Gospel, we believe the Gospel and we receive the Holy Spirit.

"That we should be to the praise of his glory, WHO FIRST TRUSTED IN CHRIST. In whom you also trusted after you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION: in whom after that you believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise" Ephesians 1:12, 13.

There it is. We hear the Gospel and trust in Christ. When we hear the Gospel and believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise and now belong to God. Does the Holy Spirit make us holy? No, we only receive the "First fruits" of the Spirit, which is the down payment of the Spirit, Romans 8:23. We receive enough of the Holy Spirit to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel, but not enough to make us holy and without sin.

We receive the Holy Spirit when we are accepted, after we obey.

See Acts 5:32, John 14:23, Acts 15:8, and many others.

Robert Pate
April 3rd, 2016, 08:58 AM
We receive the Holy Spirit when we are accepted, after we obey.

See Acts 5:32, John 14:23, Acts 15:8, and many others.


If that were the case no one could be saved, because no one obeys, Romans 3:10.

God's Truth
April 3rd, 2016, 09:28 AM
If that were the case no one could be saved, because no one obeys, Romans 3:10.

I gave you scriptures that say we are saved for obeying, and you think you have nullified those scriptures because you found a scripture that you do not understand about our needing a Savior. You are blind and do not know it because you will not submit to God.

jamie
April 3rd, 2016, 09:33 AM
If that were the case no one could be saved, because no one obeys, Romans 3:10.


Why don't you quote that in its context?

Nick M
April 3rd, 2016, 01:21 PM
If that were the case no one could be saved, because no one obeys, Romans 3:10.

And there it is. The truth hurts people's feelings.

beloved57
April 3rd, 2016, 02:08 PM
Paul said to the Galatians, "This only would I learn of you, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith?" (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

I have noticed on the forum that Calvinist, Catholics and others avoid the question of how we receive the Holy Spirit, like it is some sort of sinful secret. The Bible makes it very clear that the Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. On the day of Pentecost they came to know Christ as their savior by the thousands because Peter preached the Gospel, Acts 2:41

Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

Calvinist don't really want to talk about how they received the Holy Spirit because they don't have the Holy Spirit. They apparently believe that they just woke up one morning and to their amazement they discover that they had been zapped with the Holy Spirit.

Catholics are little more subtle about how they received the Holy Spirit. They apparently believe that some time after baptism into the Catholic church they receive the Holy Spirit. You don't have to hear or believe anything.

The Bible teaches that if you don't have the Holy Spirit you do not belong to God. The Holy Spirit is God's identifying mark of ownership. God knows who are his by their Spirit. We hear the Gospel, we believe the Gospel and we receive the Holy Spirit.

"That we should be to the praise of his glory, WHO FIRST TRUSTED IN CHRIST. In whom you also trusted after you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION: in whom after that you believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise" Ephesians 1:12, 13.

There it is. We hear the Gospel and trust in Christ. When we hear the Gospel and believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise and now belong to God. Does the Holy Spirit make us holy? No, we only receive the "First fruits" of the Spirit, which is the down payment of the Spirit, Romans 8:23. We receive enough of the Holy Spirit to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel, but not enough to make us holy and without sin.

You dont even believe the Gospel, since you teach those whom Christ died for can wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 !

Epoisses
April 3rd, 2016, 02:28 PM
You dont even believe the Gospel, since you teach those whom Christ died for can wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 !

You're an unbelieving troll who's sole purpose is to reveal what happens to those who follow Calvinism to it's logical conclusion. You're an example of unbelief and what not to be. You've never known Christ and most likely never will.

beloved57
April 3rd, 2016, 02:43 PM
You're an unbelieving troll who's sole purpose is to reveal what happens to those who follow Calvinism to it's logical conclusion. You're an example of unbelief and what not to be. You've never known Christ and most likely never will.
Do you believe that everyone Christ died for are saved from their sins and eternal death?

Nanja
April 3rd, 2016, 03:01 PM
If that were the case no one could be saved, because no one obeys, Romans 3:10.


Those Christ died for, His Sheep John 10:11, 15, are made Righteous by His One act of obedience, not theirs. In the same way, they were made sinners by Adam's disobedience, not theirs:

Rom. 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

That word righteous is the Gr. word dikaios, and means: righteous, observing divine laws A. in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1342&t=KJV

~~~~~

Robert Pate
April 3rd, 2016, 04:05 PM
Those Christ died for, His Sheep John 10:11, 15, are made Righteous by His One act of obedience, not theirs. In the same way, they were made sinners by Adam's disobedience, not theirs:

Rom. 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

That word righteous is the Gr. word dikaios, and means: righteous, observing divine laws A. in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1342&t=KJV

~~~~~


No one is righteous because all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.

The righteousness of Christ is to the Christians account. He does not posses righteousness in this life.

In God's eyes he is without sin. In his own eyes and in the eyes of others he is a sinner.

Epoisses
April 3rd, 2016, 04:05 PM
Do you believe that everyone Christ died for are saved from their sins and eternal death?

You're confusing the atonement (work of Christ on the cross) and the personal experience of Salvation (work of Christ in the life of the believer). Or the objective and subjective aspect of the gospel.

Nanja
April 3rd, 2016, 05:40 PM
No one is righteous because all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.

The righteousness of Christ is to the Christians account. He does not posses righteousness in this life.

In God's eyes he is without sin. In his own eyes and in the eyes of others he is a sinner.


Of themselves, none are Righteous, but as I have shown:


Those Christ died for, His Sheep John 10:11, 15, are made Righteous by His One act of obedience, not theirs. In the same way, they were made sinners by Adam's disobedience, not theirs:

Rom. 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

That word righteous is the Gr. word dikaios, and means: righteous, observing divine laws A. in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...gs=G1342&t=KJV




John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Christ did not die for these, the goats. They are condemned already and shall permanently remain under the Wrath of God Mat. 25:33; 41!


Praise the Lord Dan. 4:35!

~~~~~

beloved57
April 3rd, 2016, 05:56 PM
You're confusing the atonement (work of Christ on the cross) and the personal experience of Salvation (work of Christ in the life of the believer). Or the objective and subjective aspect of the gospel.
Are you going to answer the question?

Epoisses
April 3rd, 2016, 10:33 PM
Are you going to answer the question?

Are you going to grow some brain cells?

Grosnick Marowbe
April 4th, 2016, 12:07 AM
Paul said to the Galatians, "This only would I learn of you, Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith?" (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

I have noticed on the forum that Calvinist, Catholics and others avoid the question of how we receive the Holy Spirit, like it is some sort of sinful secret. The Bible makes it very clear that the Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ. On the day of Pentecost they came to know Christ as their savior by the thousands because Peter preached the Gospel, Acts 2:41

Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

Calvinist don't really want to talk about how they received the Holy Spirit because they don't have the Holy Spirit. They apparently believe that they just woke up one morning and to their amazement they discover that they had been zapped with the Holy Spirit.

Catholics are little more subtle about how they received the Holy Spirit. They apparently believe that some time after baptism into the Catholic church they receive the Holy Spirit. You don't have to hear or believe anything.

The Bible teaches that if you don't have the Holy Spirit you do not belong to God. The Holy Spirit is God's identifying mark of ownership. God knows who are his by their Spirit. We hear the Gospel, we believe the Gospel and we receive the Holy Spirit.

"That we should be to the praise of his glory, WHO FIRST TRUSTED IN CHRIST. In whom you also trusted after you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION: in whom after that you believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise" Ephesians 1:12, 13.

There it is. We hear the Gospel and trust in Christ. When we hear the Gospel and believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise and now belong to God. Does the Holy Spirit make us holy? No, we only receive the "First fruits" of the Spirit, which is the down payment of the Spirit, Romans 8:23. We receive enough of the Holy Spirit to make us witnesses for Christ and his Gospel, but not enough to make us holy and without sin.

Excellent post.

Grosnick Marowbe
April 4th, 2016, 12:10 AM
Are you going to answer the question?

Why don't you and your puppet Nanja cease haunting this thread and especially Pate.

TulipBee
April 5th, 2016, 08:55 AM
God knew the elects before they were born. The holy spirit was involved during that time. A very long time ago.

Robert Pate
April 5th, 2016, 09:22 AM
God knew the elects before they were born. The holy spirit was involved during that time. A very long time ago.

The only one elected before the foundation of the world was Jesus Christ.

Epoisses
April 5th, 2016, 09:24 AM
God knew the elects before they were born.

...and you don't nor any other Clavinist for that matter.

TulipBee
April 5th, 2016, 09:29 AM
The only one elected before the foundation of the world was Jesus Christ.
God electing himself?

TulipBee
April 5th, 2016, 09:30 AM
...and you don't nor any other Clavinist for that matter.
The elects is in the bible

Robert Pate
April 5th, 2016, 01:32 PM
God electing himself?

God does nothing outside of Jesus Christ when it comes to the salvation of man.

"According as he has chosen us in him (Jesus Christ) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love" Ephesians 1:4.

The only way that you can be holy and without blame before him in love is to be "In Christ".

God saw all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world, Hebrews 4:3.

Jesus is the Lamb of God that was slain from the foundation of the world, Revelation 13:8.

TulipBee
April 5th, 2016, 05:42 PM
God does nothing outside of Jesus Christ when it comes to the salvation of man.

"According as he has chosen us in him (Jesus Christ) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love" Ephesians 1:4.

The only way that you can be holy and without blame before him in love is to be "In Christ".

God saw all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world, Hebrews 4:3.

Jesus is the Lamb of God that was slain from the foundation of the world, Revelation 13:8.
God gives his elects to Jesus. Jesus died for the ones given to him. God didn't give Jesus goats.

Robert Pate
April 5th, 2016, 06:17 PM
God gives his elects to Jesus. Jesus died for the ones given to him. God didn't give Jesus goats.

HOGWASH!

The Bible clearly says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

The whole world has been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

You are Gospel illiterate.

TulipBee
April 5th, 2016, 09:39 PM
HOGWASH!

The Bible clearly says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

The whole world has been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

You are Gospel illiterate.
You say God so good that he didn't bring the flood that killed millions.

Epoisses
April 5th, 2016, 11:20 PM
You say God so good that he didn't bring the flood that killed millions.

What does that have to do with Jesus being the savior of the world? The mighty Clavinists don't even believe in John 3:17!! Just rank unbelievers masquerading as believers.

TulipBee
April 6th, 2016, 05:45 AM
What does that have to do with Jesus being the savior of the world? The mighty Clavinists don't even believe in John 3:17!! Just rank unbelievers masquerading as believers.
Pate claims God doesn't do justice cause pate claims God isn't the judge of him or anyone. Pate claim God has no control. Calvinists believe in the complete 66 book bible. You made that up.

Epoisses
April 6th, 2016, 07:35 AM
Pate claims God doesn't do justice cause pate claims God isn't the judge of him or anyone. Pate claim God has no control. Calvinists believe in the complete 66 book bible. You made that up.

Do you believe that Jesus is the savior of the world?

Robert Pate
April 6th, 2016, 07:53 AM
God gives his elects to Jesus. Jesus died for the ones given to him. God didn't give Jesus goats.

There are several scriptures that say Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

You ignore those scriptures like they are not even in the bible.

Robert Pate
April 6th, 2016, 08:00 AM
You say God so good that he didn't bring the flood that killed millions.

Even those that died in the flood have been reconciled unto God by the doing and the dying of Jesus.

Whether or not they accept the reconciliation has not yet been determined.

Robert Pate
April 6th, 2016, 08:06 AM
Pate claims God doesn't do justice cause pate claims God isn't the judge of him or anyone. Pate claim God has no control. Calvinists believe in the complete 66 book bible. You made that up.

There is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:1.

There is no condemnation because Christians are not under the law, Galatians 3:10.

TulipBee
April 6th, 2016, 08:11 AM
There are several scriptures that say Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

You ignore those scriptures like they are not even in the bible.
You can think hell is for no one all you want

TulipBee
April 6th, 2016, 08:14 AM
Do you believe that Jesus is the savior of the world?
The Romans used world as everyone in within the Roman, not the world. When I say all of you in a room, I don't mean the rest of the world. I meant everyone in the same room I was speaking in. Let's skip this. This goes on and on and I'm tired of uneducated response

TulipBee
April 6th, 2016, 08:16 AM
There is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:1.

There is no condemnation because Christians are not under the law, Galatians 3:10.
Elects are in Christ since God saved them

Robert Pate
April 6th, 2016, 10:26 AM
You can think hell is for no one all you want

Hell is for Gospel rejectors like yourself.

Robert Pate
April 6th, 2016, 10:27 AM
Elects are in Christ since God saved them

What are you going to do with all of the scriptures that say Jesus is the savior of the whole world?

Right Divider
April 6th, 2016, 11:33 AM
God gives his elects to Jesus. Jesus died for the ones given to him. God didn't give Jesus goats.
You have a twisted and unbiblical view of what "elect" means.
Isa 42:1-4 (KJV)

(42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, [in whom] my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. (42:2) He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. (42:3) A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. (42:4) He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.


Election in the Bible is God choosing someone or some group for His purposes.
Isa 45:1-4 (KJV)

(45:1) Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; (45:2) I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: (45:3) And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel. (45:4) For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Get away from that crappy doctrine and into the Bible.

So according to your doctrine, ALL of Israel is saved.

TulipBee
April 6th, 2016, 02:37 PM
Hell is for Gospel rejectors like yourself.
Potty mouth. Are you that alone? Believers don't get hell

TulipBee
April 6th, 2016, 02:38 PM
What are you going to do with all of the scriptures that say Jesus is the savior of the whole world?
Nothing cause he saves the believers and you want to potty mouth it.

TulipBee
April 6th, 2016, 02:39 PM
You have a twisted and unbiblical view of what "elect" means.
Isa 42:1-4 (KJV)

(42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, [in whom] my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. (42:2) He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. (42:3) A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. (42:4) He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.


Election in the Bible is God choosing someone or some group for His purposes.
Isa 45:1-4 (KJV)

(45:1) Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; (45:2) I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: (45:3) And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel. (45:4) For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Get away from that crappy doctrine and into the Bible.

So according to your doctrine, ALL of Israel is saved.
Mine elect is what it is and you still complain. Don't you know what you're complaining about?

Right Divider
April 6th, 2016, 02:51 PM
Mine elect is what it is and you still complain. Don't you know what you're complaining about?
I have no idea what you're trying to say.

I am showing you that God's elect in one case is ISRAEL and in the other it's His Son.

Is this hard for you to follow?

TulipBee
April 6th, 2016, 10:19 PM
I have no idea what you're trying to say.

I am showing you that God's elect in one case is ISRAEL and in the other it's His Son.

Is this hard for you to follow?
There are multiple meanings in elects.

Epoisses
April 6th, 2016, 11:35 PM
The Romans used world as everyone in within the Roman, not the world. When I say all of you in a room, I don't mean the rest of the world. I meant everyone in the same room I was speaking in. Let's skip this. This goes on and on and I'm tired of uneducated response

LOL. Unbelievers don't get a seat at the table. Go beg for crumbs from your dumb idols.

beloved57
April 7th, 2016, 12:25 AM
What are you going to do with all of the scriptures that say Jesus is the savior of the whole world?

You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up lost and not saved !

TulipBee
April 7th, 2016, 07:56 AM
LOL. Unbelievers don't get a seat at the table. Go beg for crumbs from your dumb idols.
Part of the deal is that we should be sadden for the unbelievers and pray fior them and preach to them

Robert Pate
April 7th, 2016, 08:27 AM
You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up lost and not saved !

Just like you, they refuse to receive God's great FREE GIFT of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ.

Robert Pate
April 7th, 2016, 08:28 AM
Part of the deal is that we should be sadden for the unbelievers and pray fior them and preach to them

What are you going to preach to us, Calvinism?

beloved57
April 7th, 2016, 08:29 AM
Just like you, they refuse to receive God's great FREE GIFT of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ.
So you teach that Christ death is a failure and that man is the captain of his salvation.

Robert Pate
April 7th, 2016, 09:02 AM
So you teach that Christ death is a failure and that man is the captain of his salvation.

Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil so that now, "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

TulipBee
April 7th, 2016, 09:03 AM
What are you going to preach to us, Calvinism?
That God does what He wants to do, not what you or man wants to do

beloved57
April 7th, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil so that now, "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up lost in hell, that makes Christ to be defeated.

Right Divider
April 7th, 2016, 09:18 AM
There are multiple meanings in elects.
That was exactly my point.

Most hard-core Calvinists always use the word "elect" as if it means "chosen to be saved". But that is NOT what it means.

Epoisses
April 7th, 2016, 09:35 AM
Part of the deal is that we should be sadden for the unbelievers and pray fior them and preach to them

Are you sad for yourself?

Epoisses
April 7th, 2016, 09:37 AM
You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up lost and not saved !

Because that's what the bible teaches!!

He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb. 10:28-31

TulipBee
April 7th, 2016, 09:40 AM
That was exactly my point.

Most hard-core Calvinists always use the word "elect" as if it means "chosen to be saved". But that is NOT what it means.
In the future, inside "past, present and future", the end result already happened. Physical men on Earth are still in process according to men and you. According to me, the Bible used "elected" and "elects". I can say I'm saved even though you say I'm not ready to say that. This is called personal relationship. Personal means it's none of your business

TulipBee
April 7th, 2016, 09:43 AM
Are you sad for yourself?
I'm guilty of my sins and still in repentance while God arranges circumstances in my physical environments. In order for God to keep his promises only to his children, he must make sure his elects are staying on the path he predestined

beloved57
April 7th, 2016, 09:54 AM
Because that's what the bible teaches!!

He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Heb. 10:28-31
That's a lie, where does the bible teach that those Christ died for wind up in hell?

Right Divider
April 7th, 2016, 09:56 AM
In the future, inside "past, present and future", the end result already happened. Physical men on Earth are still in process according to men and you. According to me, the Bible used "elected" and "elects". I can say I'm saved even though you say I'm not ready to say that. This is called personal relationship. Personal means it's none of your business
You are another one of the dense people with whom it is almost impossible to communicate.

Election is NOT salvation.

God said that Israel was HIS ELECT and yet there were many unbelievers in that people.

TulipBee
April 7th, 2016, 10:01 AM
You are another one of the dense people with whom it is almost impossible to communicate.

Election is NOT salvation.

God said that Israel was HIS ELECT and yet there were many unbelievers in that people.
All mankind is densed but the saved means saved as stated in the bible inspired by God. Only you boast pridefully as the rest do

Right Divider
April 7th, 2016, 10:22 AM
All mankind is densed but the saved means saved as stated in the bible inspired by God. Only you boast pridefully as the rest do
Nonsense.

TulipBee
April 7th, 2016, 12:05 PM
Nonsense.
Adam did fall. Bible said so

Right Divider
April 7th, 2016, 01:23 PM
Adam did fall. Bible said so
I have no idea what you're talking about. I guess that English is not your primary language.

TulipBee
April 7th, 2016, 04:25 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about. I guess that English is not your primary language.
Just proclaiming the fall effects all mankind in extreme brief to those that like to talk a lot, packed with nonsense. Most post one babble after another shouting nonsense!.

Robert Pate
April 7th, 2016, 05:15 PM
Just proclaiming the fall effects all mankind in extreme brief to those that like to talk a lot, packed with nonsense. Most post one babble after another shouting nonsense!.

You are not listening.

You have been blinded by Calvinism.

TulipBee
April 7th, 2016, 05:46 PM
You are not listening.

You have been blinded by Calvinism.
Chosen before birth requires no ears nor eyes.

Right Divider
April 7th, 2016, 06:19 PM
Just proclaiming the fall effects all mankind in extreme brief to those that like to talk a lot, packed with nonsense. Most post one babble after another shouting nonsense!.
So I guess that you still cannot understand that "elect" does NOT means "saved". OK.

Crucible
April 7th, 2016, 06:46 PM
So I guess that you still cannot understand that "elect" does NOT means "saved". OK.

"Those who fall away have never been thoroughly imbued with the knowledge of Christ but only had a slight and passing taste of it."

Calvin and Luther both held to predestination, but Calvin was more stringent about it- he had no qualms abandoning Catholic ideology whereas Luther couldn't shed it.

Luther taught that one can only lose their salvation through apostasy, and Calvin taught that one cannot go 'in and out' of salvation but rather was never saved in the first place.

What other protestants have a hard time with, when it comes to the elect, is that God cannot justify the wicked. He instead uses the wicked to do what is willed of His divine providence, and in that those people may or may not find redemption.

It is all up to God.
And
You want it to be all up to YOU.

Right Divider
April 7th, 2016, 07:44 PM
"Those who fall away have never been thoroughly imbued with the knowledge of Christ but only had a slight and passing taste of it."

Calvin and Luther both held to predestination, but Calvin was more stringent about it- he had no qualms abandoning Catholic ideology whereas Luther couldn't shed it.

Luther taught that one can only lose their salvation through apostasy, and Calvin taught that one cannot go 'in and out' of salvation but rather was never saved in the first place.

What other protestants have a hard time with, when it comes to the elect, is that God cannot justify the wicked. He instead uses the wicked to do what is willed of His divine providence, and in that those people may or may not find redemption.

It is all up to God.
And
You want it to be all up to YOU.
That's real cute and all, but the point still stands that in the Bible ELECT does NOT means SAVED. Neither does SAVED always refer to the SAME thing in every instance.

Israel is God's elect in Isaiah 45:4 and that refers to the entire nation, not just those that believed the LORD.

Crucible
April 7th, 2016, 08:04 PM
Israel is God's elect in Isaiah 45:4 and that refers to the entire nation, not just those that believed the LORD.

The Body of Christ is Spiritual Israel, and that's where you dispensationalists, unlike most of the rest of Christianity, has rejected.

patrick jane
April 7th, 2016, 09:48 PM
you can only get the holy spirit by being without sin through faith in his work
Nope. Wrong.

beloved57
April 7th, 2016, 11:45 PM
You are not listening.

You have been blinded by Calvinism.
You teach salvation by works, by what a person does, so you don't believe in Jesus Christ of the scripture.

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TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 05:16 AM
So I guess that you still cannot understand that "elect" does NOT means "saved". OK.
It is truly sad that so many who profess the name of Christ hate the doctrine of unconditional election, for it is the heart of biblical religion and a God-glorifying doctrine. What is more fundamental to biblical truth than the fact that salvation is a gift from God? “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them” (Eph. 2:8-10). Those who hate the doctrine in reality hate God’s sovereign grace. They would ignore the doctrine if they could, but since it is taught so clearly and often in the New Testament, they have no choice but to attempt to explain it away. Their main attempt—the idea that election is based on a foreseen faith—turns election into its very opposite: God does not elect man, but rather man elects God. Furthermore, predestination in such a scheme is really a postdestination. The Arminian viewpoint is unbiblical and illogical for it makes the eternal counsel and choice of God contingent upon the choice of men who are spiritually dead and unable to choose Christ (apart from regeneration) and who do not even exist yet! The Arminian scheme has temporal events controlling and conditioning the eternal, unchanging will of God. In other words, the clay has control over the potter. The Arminian, by taking election out of God’s hands and placing it in the hands of depraved man, has destroyed salvation by grace alone and replaced it with a humanistic synergism. Christ testified against such Scripture twisting when He said to His disciples: “You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you” (Jn. 15:16). Arminianism is unscriptural, irrational, and takes the glory due to God alone and bestows it upon sinful man.*https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/schwerley_election.html

TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 05:19 AM
That's real cute and all, but the point still stands that in the Bible ELECT does NOT means SAVED. Neither does SAVED always refer to the SAME thing in every instance.

Israel is God's elect in Isaiah 45:4 and that refers to the entire nation, not just those that believed the LORD.
ELECTION*
GOD CHOOSES HIS OWN*
by J.I. Packer

For [God] says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. ROMANS 9:15-16

The verb elect means “to select, or choose out.” The biblical doctrine of election is that before Creation God selected out of the human race, foreseen as fallen, those whom he would redeem, bring to faith, justify, and glorify in and through Jesus Christ (Rom. 8:28-39; Eph. 1:3-14; 2 Thess. 2:13-14; 2 Tim. 1:9-10). This divine choice is an expression of free and sovereign grace, for it is unconstrained and unconditional, not merited by anything in those who are its subjects. God owes sinners no mercy of any kind, only condemnation; so it is a wonder, and matter for endless praise, that he should choose to save any of us; and doubly so when his choice involved the giving of his own Son to suffer as sin-bearer for the elect (Rom. 8:32).

The doctrine of election, like every truth about God, involves mystery and sometimes stirs controversy. But in Scripture it is a pastoral doctrine, brought in to help Christians see how great is the grace that saves them, and to move them to humility, confidence, joy, praise, faithfulness, and holiness in response. It is the family secret of the children of God. We do not know who else he has chosen among those who do not yet believe, nor why it was his good pleasure to choose us in particular. What we do know is, first, that had we not been chosen for life we would not be believers now (for only the elect are brought to faith), and, second, that as elect believers we may rely on God to finish in us the good work that he started (1 Cor. 1:8-9; Phil. 1:6; 1 Thess. 5:23-24; 2 Tim. 1:12; 4:18). Knowledge of one’s election thus brings comfort and joy.

Peter tells us we should be “eager to make [our] calling and election sure” (2 Pet. 1:10)—that is, certain to us. Election is known by its fruits. Paul knew the election of the Thessalonians from their faith, hope, and love, the inward and outward transformation of their lives that the gospel had brought about (1 Thess. 1:3-6). The more that the qualities to which Peter has been exhorting his readers appear in our lives (goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness, love: 2 Pet. 1:5-7), the surer of our own election we are entitled to be.

The elect are, from one standpoint, the Father’s gift to the Son (John 6:39; 10:29; 17:2, 24). Jesus testifies that he came into this world specifically to save them (John 6:37-40; 10:14-16, 26-29; 15:16; 17:6-26; Eph. 5:25-27), and any account of his mission must emphasize this.

Reprobation is the name given to God’s eternal decision regarding those sinners whom he has not chosen for life. His decision is in essence a decision not to change them, as the elect are destined to be changed, but to leave them to sin as in their hearts they already want to do, and finally to judge them as they deserve for what they have done. When in particular instances God gives them over to their sins (i.e., removes restraints on their doing the disobedient things they desire), this is itself the beginning of judgment. It is called “hardening” (Rom. 9:18; 11:25; cf. Ps. 81:12; Rom. 1:24, 26, 28), and it inevitably leads to greater guilt.

Reprobation is a biblical reality (Rom. 9:14-24; 1 Pet. 2:8), but not one that bears directly on Christian behavior. The reprobates are faceless so far as Christians are concerned, and it is not for us to try to identify them. Rather, we should live in light of the certainty that anyone may be saved if he or she will but repent and put faith in Christ.

We should view all persons that we meet as possibly being numbered among the elect.

Right Divider
April 8th, 2016, 07:22 AM
It is truly sad that so many who profess the name of Christ hate the doctrine of unconditional election, for it is the heart of biblical religion and a God-glorifying doctrine. What is more fundamental to biblical truth than the fact that salvation is a gift from God? “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them” (Eph. 2:8-10). Those who hate the doctrine in reality hate God’s sovereign grace. They would ignore the doctrine if they could, but since it is taught so clearly and often in the New Testament, they have no choice but to attempt to explain it away. Their main attempt—the idea that election is based on a foreseen faith—turns election into its very opposite: God does not elect man, but rather man elects God. Furthermore, predestination in such a scheme is really a postdestination. The Arminian viewpoint is unbiblical and illogical for it makes the eternal counsel and choice of God contingent upon the choice of men who are spiritually dead and unable to choose Christ (apart from regeneration) and who do not even exist yet! The Arminian scheme has temporal events controlling and conditioning the eternal, unchanging will of God. In other words, the clay has control over the potter. The Arminian, by taking election out of God’s hands and placing it in the hands of depraved man, has destroyed salvation by grace alone and replaced it with a humanistic synergism. Christ testified against such Scripture twisting when He said to His disciples: “You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you” (Jn. 15:16). Arminianism is unscriptural, irrational, and takes the glory due to God alone and bestows it upon sinful man.*https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/schwerley_election.html
You refuse to understand EVEN what I am talking about and IGNORE the clearly show issues that in one way ISRAEL is God's ELECT.

Once again, for the millionth time, the WORD ELECT is not equivalent to the WORD SAVED.

Elect means CHOSEN FOR A PURPOSE and sometimes that PURPOSE is NOT salvation.

Right Divider
April 8th, 2016, 07:25 AM
ELECTION*
GOD CHOOSES HIS OWN*
by J.I. Packer

For [God] says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. ROMANS 9:15-16

The verb elect means “to select, or choose out.” The biblical doctrine of election is that before Creation God selected out of the human race, foreseen as fallen, those whom he would redeem, bring to faith, justify, and glorify in and through Jesus Christ (Rom. 8:28-39; Eph. 1:3-14; 2 Thess. 2:13-14; 2 Tim. 1:9-10). This divine choice is an expression of free and sovereign grace, for it is unconstrained and unconditional, not merited by anything in those who are its subjects. God owes sinners no mercy of any kind, only condemnation; so it is a wonder, and matter for endless praise, that he should choose to save any of us; and doubly so when his choice involved the giving of his own Son to suffer as sin-bearer for the elect (Rom. 8:32).

The doctrine of election, like every truth about God, involves mystery and sometimes stirs controversy. But in Scripture it is a pastoral doctrine, brought in to help Christians see how great is the grace that saves them, and to move them to humility, confidence, joy, praise, faithfulness, and holiness in response. It is the family secret of the children of God. We do not know who else he has chosen among those who do not yet believe, nor why it was his good pleasure to choose us in particular. What we do know is, first, that had we not been chosen for life we would not be believers now (for only the elect are brought to faith), and, second, that as elect believers we may rely on God to finish in us the good work that he started (1 Cor. 1:8-9; Phil. 1:6; 1 Thess. 5:23-24; 2 Tim. 1:12; 4:18). Knowledge of one’s election thus brings comfort and joy.

Peter tells us we should be “eager to make [our] calling and election sure” (2 Pet. 1:10)—that is, certain to us. Election is known by its fruits. Paul knew the election of the Thessalonians from their faith, hope, and love, the inward and outward transformation of their lives that the gospel had brought about (1 Thess. 1:3-6). The more that the qualities to which Peter has been exhorting his readers appear in our lives (goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly kindness, love: 2 Pet. 1:5-7), the surer of our own election we are entitled to be.

The elect are, from one standpoint, the Father’s gift to the Son (John 6:39; 10:29; 17:2, 24). Jesus testifies that he came into this world specifically to save them (John 6:37-40; 10:14-16, 26-29; 15:16; 17:6-26; Eph. 5:25-27), and any account of his mission must emphasize this.

Reprobation is the name given to God’s eternal decision regarding those sinners whom he has not chosen for life. His decision is in essence a decision not to change them, as the elect are destined to be changed, but to leave them to sin as in their hearts they already want to do, and finally to judge them as they deserve for what they have done. When in particular instances God gives them over to their sins (i.e., removes restraints on their doing the disobedient things they desire), this is itself the beginning of judgment. It is called “hardening” (Rom. 9:18; 11:25; cf. Ps. 81:12; Rom. 1:24, 26, 28), and it inevitably leads to greater guilt.

Reprobation is a biblical reality (Rom. 9:14-24; 1 Pet. 2:8), but not one that bears directly on Christian behavior. The reprobates are faceless so far as Christians are concerned, and it is not for us to try to identify them. Rather, we should live in light of the certainty that anyone may be saved if he or she will but repent and put faith in Christ.

We should view all persons that we meet as possibly being numbered among the elect.
You stubborn silly person. Words have no CONTEXT for you. You probably think that Jesus is made of wood, since He said that He was "the door".

Right Divider
April 8th, 2016, 07:50 AM
The Body of Christ is Spiritual Israel, and that's where you dispensationalists, unlike most of the rest of Christianity, has rejected.
More nonsense that does not become true just because you say it over and over and over again.

TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 08:06 AM
You refuse to understand EVEN what I am talking about and IGNORE the clearly show issues that in one way ISRAEL is God's ELECT.

Once again, for the millionth time, the WORD ELECT is not equivalent to the WORD SAVED.

Elect means CHOSEN FOR A PURPOSE and sometimes that PURPOSE is NOT salvation.
You're the one that changed the subject and picked your version of elect on your own

TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 08:07 AM
You stubborn silly person. Words have no CONTEXT for you. You probably think that Jesus is made of wood, since He said that He was "the door".
Sorry, we can't help you

Epoisses
April 8th, 2016, 08:13 AM
You stubborn silly person. Words have no CONTEXT for you. You probably think that Jesus is made of wood, since He said that He was "the door".

lol. They are idolators after all!

Right Divider
April 8th, 2016, 08:15 AM
You're the one that changed the subject and picked your version of elect on your own
Unlike you I don't have "a version", I just let it mean what it means.

Stay blind if that's what suits you.

TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 08:25 AM
Unlike you I don't have "a version", I just let it mean what it means.

Stay blind if that's what suits you.
You may stay in your denominational beliefs all you want. That's your own path, not the holy spirits.

Right Divider
April 8th, 2016, 08:42 AM
You may stay in your denominational beliefs all you want. That's your own path, not the holy spirits.
More kid stuff from a child that does not want to believe the scripture as God has written it. The spirit that you follow is not the holy one.

Grosnick Marowbe
April 8th, 2016, 08:44 AM
You may stay in your denominational beliefs all you want. That's your own path, not the holy spirits.

Too bad you don't KNOW the true Gospel of this Dispensation of Grace.

Grosnick Marowbe
April 8th, 2016, 08:46 AM
Sorry, we can't help you

Who in their right mind wants your help anyway??

Grosnick Marowbe
April 8th, 2016, 08:50 AM
More nonsense that does not become true just because you say it over and over and over again.

Poor Crucible doesn't have a clue.

TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 09:57 AM
More kid stuff from a child that does not want to believe the scripture as God has written it. The spirit that you follow is not the holy one.
Move on

Right Divider
April 8th, 2016, 10:15 AM
Move on
:cigar:

TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 09:09 PM
:cigar:
Only see the word : cigar : on Tapatalk app

Epoisses
April 8th, 2016, 09:11 PM
Only see the word : cigar : on Tapatalk app

You're a child. Don't come to Colorado or I'll show you a real ceegar!

TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 09:17 PM
You're a child. Don't come to Colorado or I'll show you a real ceegar!
Bad boy

Epoisses
April 8th, 2016, 09:20 PM
Bad boy

I don't actually live in Colorado. I just want to move there.

TulipBee
April 8th, 2016, 09:23 PM
I don't actually live in Colorado. I just want to move there.
To smoke?

Epoisses
April 8th, 2016, 09:24 PM
To smoke?

I have a CDL and I get random drug tests so NO. Maybe when I retire.

TulipBee
April 9th, 2016, 07:44 AM
I have a CDL and I get random drug tests so NO. Maybe when I retire.
Commercial trunk drivers get drug tests?

TulipBee
April 10th, 2016, 03:52 AM
You are considered an outcast here :chuckle:
Arminians always been outcasts but that's not funny either

Robert Pate
April 11th, 2016, 08:33 AM
Arminians always been outcasts but that's not funny either

To embrace anything other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ is to commit spiritual suicide.

Robert Pate
April 12th, 2016, 07:50 AM
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love...
(Ephesians 1:3-4)

Without blame means without sin.

We are holy and without blame because we are "In Christ". God sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

TulipBee
April 12th, 2016, 08:26 AM
We are holy and without blame because we are "In Christ". God sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.
God knew who the "we" were cause he picked them himself without men's help

Crucible
April 12th, 2016, 10:51 AM
You stubborn silly person. Words have no CONTEXT for you. You probably think that Jesus is made of wood, since He said that He was "the door".

Coming from a person whose entire, ridiculously pretentious sect calls themselves 'right dividers' and wears their presumed salvation on their sleeves.
I suppose you all could rightly divide your own minds and realize there's no mystical decoder ring inside them after all, being that you all don't seem to realize the major fault in your own behaviors and interpretation :idunno:

Right Divider
April 12th, 2016, 11:14 AM
Coming from a person whose entire, ridiculously pretentious sect calls themselves 'right dividers' and wears their presumed salvation on their sleeves.
I suppose you all could rightly divide your own minds and realize there's no mystical decoder ring inside them after all, being that you all don't seem to realize the major fault in your own behaviors and interpretation :idunno:
Firstly, it's much better to be a right divider than a WRONG one.

Secondly, just exactly how does one "wear their salvation on their sleeves?

I simple believe God and what He says in His Word.

1Cor 1:18 (AKJV/PCE)

(1:18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Crucible
April 12th, 2016, 11:20 AM
how does one "wear their salvation on their sleeves?


Putting one's perceived status with God in plain view, and then asking others if they are saved- even to those who already report to be a Christian.

Pretentious attitude.

Right Divider
April 12th, 2016, 11:24 AM
Putting one's perceived status with God in plain view, and then asking others if they are saved- even to those who already report to be a Christian.

Pretentious attitude.
Agreeing with God it NOT pretentious to anyone else the does too.

So I see your problem.

Crucible
April 12th, 2016, 11:27 AM
Agreeing with God it NOT pretentious to anyone else the does too.

So I see your problem.

If it causes people to turn away, it is not a good work. And that is what Darbyists do all the time- they slam the Bible on people and then call them reprobates if they walk away.

Right Divider
April 12th, 2016, 11:44 AM
If it causes people to turn away, it is not a good work. And that is what Darbyists do all the time- they slam the Bible on people and then call them reprobates if they walk away.
Your false accusations are unbecoming of someone that claims to trust in Christ.

Please show specific posts where I "slammed the Bible on people". Also, I don't believe that I've ever used the word "reprobate" here on TOL.

P.S. I'm not a Darbyist, you false accuser. Shame on you.

Crucible
April 12th, 2016, 11:53 AM
I'm not a Darbyist, you false accuser. Shame on you.

Riiight..

:rolleyes:

Right Divider
April 12th, 2016, 01:49 PM
Riiight..

:rolleyes:
So your false allegation of "Bible slamming" just gets brushed under the rug?

Some righteousness you have to accuse others and then run and hide.