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Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 08:29 AM
1 John 1:9 states: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

At first glance, one might ascertain that means we need to confess each sin we commit in order to be forgiven of that particular sin. However, that contradicts the Scriptures that state, Christ died for the sins of all. He paid the price with His shed blood and that was a one time sacrifice.

The Bible tells us, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Christ paid the price once and for all. The True Believers sins were already paid for therefore, we need not add anything to what Christ already accomplished. So, what is that Scripture verse really saying? It's relating to us that after we hear the Gospel of our salvation, we must confess to God that we are guilty of being a lost sinner and willing to place ALL of our faith in Christ as our Savior.

Christ's sacrifice was accepted by God the Father when Christ was raised from the dead. It was finished. We need only place our faith in Christ while admitting that we're a sinner in need of a Savior and that Savior is The Lord Jesus Christ. So far as desiring a good relationship with God goes, I personally think confessing a known sin that we've committed is a good way to show God our desire to have good fellowship with Him. However, we need not confess each and every sin in order to be forgiven. We've already been forgiven!

Epoisses
March 30th, 2016, 08:37 AM
Very true! All of our sins have been forgiven 'in Christ' and we are seen by the Father as if we had never sinned. The little worker bee Christian with their list of sins that need to be 'expunged' before they can feel 'right' with God is a picture of an unbelieving Christian. We all start out in unbelief and even wrestle with it after conversion but eventually we need to 'grow up' and walk by faith alone. The good news is exceedingly good above all we could ask or think.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 08:39 AM
Very true! All of our sins have been forgiven 'in Christ' and we are seen by the Father as if we had never sinned. The little worker bee Christian with their list of sins that need to be 'expunged' before they can feel 'right' with God is a picture of an unbelieving Christian. We all start out in unbelief and even wrestle with it after conversion but eventually we need to 'grow up' and walk by faith alone. The good news is exceedingly good above all we could ask or think.

Good post.

SaulToPaul
March 30th, 2016, 09:12 AM
In case you miss any, wear a brown scapular.

Ktoyou
March 30th, 2016, 09:44 AM
Confession beyond coming to the Lord Jesus is useless. He already knows your sins, so know evil by Grace and not doing it again is dedication.

Ktoyou
March 30th, 2016, 09:47 AM
In case you miss any, wear a brown scapular.

Funny :sibbie: take it off !

patrick jane
March 30th, 2016, 10:09 AM
1 John 1:9 states: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

At first glance, one might ascertain that means we need to confess each sin we commit in order to be forgiven of that particular sin. However, that contradicts the Scriptures that state, Christ died for the sins of all. He paid the price with His shed blood and that was a one time sacrifice.

The Bible tells us, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Christ paid the price once and for all. The True Believers sins were already paid for therefore, we need not add anything to what Christ already accomplished. So, what is that Scripture verse really saying? It's relating to us that after we hear the Gospel of our salvation, we must confess to God that we are guilty of being a lost sinner and willing to place ALL of our faith in Christ as our Savior.

Christ's sacrifice was accepted by God the Father when Christ was raised from the dead. It was finished. We need only place our faith in Christ while admitting that we're a sinner in need of a Savior and that Savior is The Lord Jesus Christ. So far as desiring a good relationship with God goes, I personally think confessing a known sin that we've committed is a good way to show God our desire to have good fellowship with Him. However, we need not confess each and every sin in order to be forgiven. We've already been forgiven!


We are holy and blameless in God's eyes because of Jesus Christ - Colossians 1:22 KJV -


Colossians 1:14 KJV - Colossians 1:20 KJV -


Colossians 1:25 KJV -

patrick jane
March 30th, 2016, 10:22 AM
The Holy Spirit confesses for us and makes intercession for us according to God's Will


Romans 8:26 KJV - Romans 8:27 KJV - Romans 8:28 KJV -

chrysostom
March 30th, 2016, 10:27 AM
MUST WE CONFESS EVERY SIN TO BE FORGIVEN?

-no

SaulToPaul
March 30th, 2016, 10:29 AM
MUST WE CONFESS EVERY SIN TO BE FORGIVEN?

-no

Must we confess all mortal sins?

patrick jane
March 30th, 2016, 10:35 AM
Must we confess all mortal sins?
:chuckle:

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 10:40 AM
1 John 1:9 states: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

At first glance, one might ascertain that means we need to confess each sin we commit in order to be forgiven of that particular sin. However, that contradicts the Scriptures that state, Christ died for the sins of all. He paid the price with His shed blood and that was a one time sacrifice... Cc: heir john w glorydaz exminister

Of which sin do you believe God is unaware? 2 Chron 16:9, 1 Pe 3:12, Mt 7:21-23

Related:

Lordship (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116690-quot-Lordship-Salvation-quot-perverting-the-gospel-of-Christ&p=4634445#post4634445)
Has the Law has been done away with? (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117812-Has-the-Law-has-been-done-away-with&p=4698424#post4698424)
At patrick jane At john w At Nick At SaultoPaul At Musterion At heir At GloryDaz At exminister At Grosnick Marowbe (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117782-patrick-jane-john-w-Nick-SaultoPaul-Musterion-heir-GloryDays-exminister&p=4696093#post4696093)
Give Your Life to Jesus (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116841-quot-Give-Your-Life-to-Jesus-quot)
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Where is Prince Now? (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117565-Where-Is-Prince-Now)
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The Myth of Unmerited Favor and Grace (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117785-The-Myth-of-unMerited-Favor-and-Grace&p=4696353#post4696353)
The Big Switch (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117813-quot-The-Big-Switch-quot&p=4698478#post4698478)
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serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 10:48 AM
Very true! All of our sins have been forgiven 'in Christ' and we are seen by the Father as if we had never sinned...


Good post.
Do you happen to be a person who struggles with the same sin over and over? Five years, ten years, fifteen years later--same ol', same ol'? :smokie: 2 Co 13:5, 2 Ti 3:5

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 10:49 AM
Having believed in Christ, many in this forum CORRECTLY think they were forgiven on the cross, but WRONGLY conclude those who have not yet believed in Christ were not yet forgiven.

Funny. People sometimes get blind to their own paradox.

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 10:51 AM
We are holy and blameless in God's eyes because of Jesus Christ...

All the holy and blameless people I know :o are voting for a :greedy: child-killing serial adulterer. :idunno:

patrick jane
March 30th, 2016, 10:57 AM
All the holy and blameless people I know :o are voting for a :greedy: child-killing serial adulterer. :idunno:
Trump Train ?

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 11:00 AM
Having believed in Christ, many in this forum CORRECTLY think they were forgiven on the cross... The demons believe in Jesus--and so what. They're going to hell. Jas 2:19

Most of the threads around here from the 'almost Christians' read like this:

How much sin can I hold on to :banana: and still call myself a Christian? :o

I never speak with God about that one sin :granite: --and I'm going to heaven, :freak: right?

God's a pushover and a big ol' softie http://www.santatulsa.com/santa-emoticon.gif who's going to open the pearly gates at the last minute for me, isn't he? Jn 3:36 ESV

See:

What is the emerging / emergent church movement? (http://www.gotquestions.org/emerging-church-emergent.html)

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 11:03 AM
Trump Train ?
http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/deplacer/bananatrain.gif Pr 8:36, Heb 13:4

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 11:06 AM
MUST WE CONFESS EVERY SIN TO BE FORGIVEN?

No, hold back your favorites (Jn 3:19) :banana: and see how that works out for you (Lk 6:46). :burnlib:

See:

What is Cheap Grace? (http://www.gotquestions.org/cheap-grace.html)

jamie
March 30th, 2016, 11:18 AM
Very true! All of our sins have been forgiven 'in Christ' and we are seen by the Father as if we had never sinned.


Turning from dead works is one of the basics of Christianity.


Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God... (Hebrews 6:1)

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 11:22 AM
MUST WE CONFESS EVERY SIN TO BE FORGIVEN?

-no

:olinger: Doesn't your brothel http://vananne.com/serpentdove/lips.gif hear your sin so you can do it all over again on Friday? Re 17:5

See:

No Mediator (http://vananne.com/culttoasters/No%20Mediator.htm)

The Baptism Murders - The Godfather (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDlBLvc3YE) http://www.freesmileyfaces.com/files/day-by-day/baddies-smiley-faces/26.gif

patrick jane
March 30th, 2016, 11:27 AM
No, hold back your favorites (Jn 3:19) :banana: and see how that works out for you (Lk 6:46). :burnlib:

See:

What is Cheap Grace? (http://www.gotquestions.org/cheap-grace.html)
I like FREE grace

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 11:36 AM
[Cheap grace] I like FREE grace


"Take your eyes and your ears and your hands and your feet and your thoughts and your heart: Give them completely to Christ" - Billy Graham Mk 12:30

See:

What is free grace? What is Free Grace Theology? (http://www.gotquestions.org/free-grace.html)

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 12:04 PM
All the holy and blameless people I know :o are voting for a :greedy: child-killing serial adulterer. :idunno:

Of course, hopefully, you realize this isn't a political thread?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 12:07 PM
Turning from dead works is one of the basics of Christianity.


Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God... (Hebrews 6:1)

It's good to see that you've reached a point in your life where you don't have any problems with the flesh.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 12:08 PM
"Take your eyes and your ears and your hands and your feet and your thoughts and your heart: Give them completely to Christ" - Billy Graham Mk 12:30

Did you have a point to make?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 12:10 PM
:olinger: Doesn't your brothel http://vananne.com/serpentdove/lips.gif hear your sin so you can do it all over again on Friday? Re 17:5

See:

No Mediator (http://vananne.com/culttoasters/No%20Mediator.htm)

The Baptism Murders - The Godfather (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDlBLvc3YE) http://www.freesmileyfaces.com/files/day-by-day/baddies-smiley-faces/26.gif

You don't like making sense do ya?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 12:12 PM
No, hold back your favorites (Jn 3:19) :banana: and see how that works out for you (Lk 6:46). :burnlib:

See:

What is Cheap Grace? (http://www.gotquestions.org/cheap-grace.html)

Obviously you don't know how to "Rightly Divide" the word. Those verses were speaking/pertaining to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 12:14 PM
SD is having trouble making any sense? Perhaps he lost some sleep last night?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 12:18 PM
The demons believe in Jesus--and so what. They're going to hell. Jas 2:19

Most of the threads around here from the 'almost Christians' read like this:

How much sin can I hold on to :banana: and still call myself a Christian? :o

I never speak with God about that one sin :granite: --and I'm going to heaven, :freak: right?

God's a pushover and a big ol' softie http://www.santatulsa.com/santa-emoticon.gif who's going to open the pearly gates at the last minute for me, isn't he? Jn 3:36 ESV

See:

What is the emerging / emergent church movement? (http://www.gotquestions.org/emerging-church-emergent.html)

James was speaking/pertaining to the scattered tribes of Israel. You're having difficulties with focus and comprehension today.

SaulToPaul
March 30th, 2016, 12:19 PM
My sins, and all of those of the Body of Christ, were forgiven before the LORD could be raised from the dead. Why on earth should I confess them now?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 12:22 PM
My sins, and all of those of the Body of Christ, were forgiven before the LORD could be raised from the dead. Why on earth should I confess them now?

True

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 12:43 PM
My sins, and all of those of the Body of Christ, were forgiven before the LORD could be raised from the dead. Why on earth should I confess them now?
TrueWere you part of the Body of Christ before you believed in Him?

If Yes, then all unbelievers now, just like you prior to your believing, are also part of the body of Christ.

If No, then prior to your becoming part of the Body of Christ your sins could have not been forgiven yet, because you said only those of the Body of Christ were forgiven on the cross.

SaulToPaul
March 30th, 2016, 12:47 PM
Were you part of the Body of Christ before you believed in Him?



I must have been identified with him as I was crucified with him, buried with him, and risen with him.

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 12:53 PM
I must have been identified with him as I was crucified with him, buried with him, and risen with him.Are you saying, being identified with Him, you were already part of the Body of Christ even BEFORE you believed in Him?

jamie
March 30th, 2016, 12:53 PM
James was speaking/pertaining to the scattered tribes of Israel. You're having difficulties with focus and comprehension today.


Abraham was a Hebrew but yet he was not of the scattered tribes of Israel. Are you a Hebrew?

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 12:54 PM
Did you have a point to make?

:yawn: Mk 12:30

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 12:55 PM
You don't like making sense do ya?

:yawn: Re 17:5 http://vananne.com/serpentdove/stripper.gif

See:

Roman Catholicism (http://vananne.com/culttoasters/#Roman_Catholicism)

SaulToPaul
March 30th, 2016, 12:57 PM
Are you saying, being identified with Him, you were already part of the Body of Christ even BEFORE you believed in Him?

I must have been, through foreknowledge... having been buried by baptism with him and risen with him through the faith of the operation of God.

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 12:58 PM
[See: What is Cheap Grace? (http://www.gotquestions.org/cheap-grace.html)] [[I]Obviously you don't know how to "Rightly Divide" the word...

:yawn: Obviously you've got a sin that God ain't gettin'. :BillyBob: Ro 8:13

"Not all of the bible is written to us but all of the bible is written for us." ~ J. Vernon McGee :Poly:

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:01 PM
I must have been, through foreknowledge... having been buried by baptism with him and risen with him through the faith of the operation of God.If you were part of the Body of Christ even BEFORE you believed in Him, then all others who have not yet believed, are also part of the Body of Christ?

If Yes, then, praise God, I have just found a companion in that belief in this forum.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:02 PM
Abraham was a Hebrew but yet he was not of the scattered tribes of Israel. Are you a Hebrew?

Abraham was a Gentile pal.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:03 PM
:yawn: Obviously you've got a sin that God ain't gettin'. :BillyBob: Ro 8:13

"Not all of the bible is written to us but all of the bible is written for us." ~ J. Vernon McGee :Poly:

I had to report you for your nasty remark. You have NO class pal.

SaulToPaul
March 30th, 2016, 01:03 PM
If you were part of the Body of Christ even BEFORE you believed in Him, then all others who have not yet believed, are also part of the Body of Christ?

If Yes, then, praise God, I have just found a companion in that belief in this forum.

I believe God foreknew who would believe and make up the Body of Christ, and they were identified in his death, burial, and resurrection.

I am not a Calvinist, however.

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:04 PM
James was speaking/pertaining to the scattered tribes of Israel. You're having difficulties with focus and comprehension today.

:yawn: Ever notice how the challenge verses are never written for :banana: you? Is 29:13

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/permanent-transition/emoticons/lalala_from_del-189_photobucket.gif

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2009/0903/360_harvey_0301.jpg

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:07 PM
I believe God foreknew who would believe and make up the Body of Christ, and they were identified in his death, burial, and resurrection.

I am not a Calvinist, however.I am not a Calvinist, too, nor am I an Arminian. I believe all were born part of the Body of Christ with their names written in the book of life, BUT only overcomers will not be blotted out from it.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:07 PM
Christ died for the sins of ALL mankind. However, only those who place their faith in Him as their Savior will benefit.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:09 PM
:yawn: Ever notice how the challenge verses are never written for :banana: you? Is 29:13

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/permanent-transition/emoticons/lalala_from_del-189_photobucket.gif

Are you here just to cause trouble or participate?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:10 PM
SD doesn't seem to respect this thread and the Scripture used.

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:11 PM
All people benefited from the life, death & resurrection of Christ with all their sins forgiven and their names written in the book of life BUT only overcomers will not be blotted out from it.

Bright Raven
March 30th, 2016, 01:12 PM
Every sin has been forgiven. Jesus said that "It is finished."

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:13 PM
How can we help you feel confident in your next thread? http://vananne.com/serpentdove/drool.gif Jn 8:34

"Sometimes we must comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable." ~ David Jeremiah

See:

How long did king Manasseh do evil in the sight of God...? (http://www.vananne.com/applesofgold/How%20long%20did%20king%20Manasseh%20do%20evil%20i n%20the%20sight%20of%20God%20before%20he%20repente d.pdf)

http://oopsiforgottotellyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/monkey-trap-21.png

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:16 PM
Every sin has been forgiven. Jesus said that "It is finished."So you believe all sins of all people were forgiven on the cross?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:19 PM
Much better. I've placed "The Troll" Serpentdove on permenent EGGNORE (Ignore) :rotfl:

heir
March 30th, 2016, 01:20 PM
Cc: heir john w glorydaz

Of which sin do you believe God is unaware? 2 Chron 16:9, 1 Pe 3:12, Mt 7:21-23

Of which sin do you believe God did not die for?

Romans 4:25 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Colossians 2:11-13 KJV

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:20 PM
Every sin has been forgiven. Jesus said that "It is finished."

Good post BR

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:21 PM
Of which sin do you believe God did not die for?

Romans 4:25 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Colossians 2:11-13 KJV

He won't know how to answer that complex question. :rotfl:

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:21 PM
Are you here just to cause trouble or participate?

:yawn: Your jesus :freak: doesn't exist (Hab 1:13). :Poly:

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:22 PM
SD doesn't seem to respect this thread and the Scripture used.

:yawn: Not your perversion of it (Prov. 30:5, 6, Ga 5:9). :banana:

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:22 PM
Every sin has been forgiven. Jesus said that "It is finished."
Good post BRDo you believe all sins of all people were forgiven on the cross?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:25 PM
Do you believe all sins of all people were forgiven on the cross?

Unsaved man will be judged by their works, not their sins. Read the end of the book of Revelation and find out what I'm talking about. Why do you think that is?

heir
March 30th, 2016, 01:26 PM
I must have been identified with him as I was crucified with him, buried with him, and risen with him.Yep! :up: Our salvation is based on God's foreknowledge! Romans 8:29-30 KJV, Ephesians 1:4 KJV.

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:26 PM
[Cc: @heir @john w @glorydaz Of which sin do you believe God is unaware? 2 Chron 16:9, 1 Pe 3:12, Mt 7:21-23] Of which sin do you believe God did not die for?...

:yawn: strawman Eph 4:14

heir
March 30th, 2016, 01:26 PM
Unsaved man will be judged by their works, not their sins. Read the end of the book of Revelation and find out what I'm talking about. Why do you think that is?

Excellent point, GM! :up:

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:27 PM
Unsaved man will be judged by their works, not their sins. Read the end of the book of Revelation and find out what I'm talking about. Why do you think that is?So, do you believe all sins of all people were forgiven on the cross? Please answer directly.

heir
March 30th, 2016, 01:28 PM
:yawn: strawmanGod knew about them all and died for them all 2000 years before we were ever born! Try and think!

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:29 PM
SD is having trouble making any sense?

:yawn: Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).

heir
March 30th, 2016, 01:29 PM
My sins, and all of those of the Body of Christ, were forgiven before the LORD could be raised from the dead. Why on earth should I confess them now?

To confess them now (as if you could) would be a sign of unbelief that the sin/sins debt is settled.

exminister
March 30th, 2016, 01:29 PM
:yawn: Obviously you've got a sin that God ain't gettin'. :BillyBob: Ro 8:13

"Not all of the bible is written to us but all of the bible is written for us." ~ J. Vernon McGee :Poly:

So SD if on your last day you have sinned, just a little one, and just before you confess you are in a car accident and die will you be in hell?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:30 PM
Eternal life is possible for everyone who ever existed. Christ made that possible because He paid the price for ALL of humanities sins. However, one must place their faith in Christ as their Savior in order to reap the benefits. The rest will stand before God at the judgment throne and be judged by their works and cast into the Lake of Fire.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:33 PM
God knew about them all and died for them all 2000 years before we were ever born! Try and think!

I'm afraid that's an impossible task for SD. Place him on Eggnore if he gets too obnoxious. That's where I have him.

Bright Raven
March 30th, 2016, 01:33 PM
So you believe all sins of all people were forgiven on the cross?

Yes.

http://www.truegospelofjesuschrist.org/forgiveness_verses

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:34 PM
So SD if on your last day you have sinned, just a little one, and just before you confess you are in a car accident and die will you be in hell?

Good question for him.

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:35 PM
Eternal life is possible for everyone who ever existed. Christ made that possible because He paid the price for ALL of humanities sins. However, one must place their faith in Christ as their Savior in order to reap the benefits. The rest will stand before God at the judgment throne and be judged by their works and cast into the Lake of Fire.So by saying "He paid the price for ALL of humanities sins", do you believe all sins of all people were forgiven on the cross? Please answer directly. I don't think it is that difficult to answer with a simple Yes or No, is it, brother? Actually "Yes" is my position.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:36 PM
Salvation is by God's Grace through our faith.

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:36 PM
[Cc: @heir @john w @glorydaz Of which sin do you believe God is unaware? 2 Chron 16:9, 1 Pe 3:12, Mt 7:21-23] Of which sin do you believe God did not die for?...] God knew about them all...

Before you've committed them? :dizzy: Sorry, Greek pagan (Ac 17:22). When you commit a sin (1 Jn 1:9), :listen: and you do (1 Jn 2:4) you'll need to bring it up one of these days :freak: to Almighty God. This is what we call a relationship. :Plain:

See:

Does God Know Your Entire Future? (http://kgov.com/open-theism) By Bob Enyart

heir
March 30th, 2016, 01:36 PM
:yawn: Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).When will sd preach the right gospel?

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:40 PM
[Clinging to sin 1 Jn 1:8] I had to report you for your nasty remark. You have NO class pal.:yawn: You have no life pal (Acts 11:18, Ro 6:18-22, Eph 2:5). :freak:

"Truth is hate to those who hate the truth." ~ Bob Enyart Jn 14:6

http://images.christianpost.com/full/73152/an-epidemic-of-ear-tickling-preachers.jpg

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:42 PM
So by saying "He paid the price for ALL of humanities sins", do you believe all sins of all people were forgiven on the cross? Please answer directly. I don't think it is that difficult to answer with a simple Yes or No, is it, brother? Actually "Yes" is my position.

Like I said, Christ paid the price for all of humanities sins. (Past, present and future) The sin question has been taken care of by the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's why it says in Revelation that, the unsaved will be judged by their works, not their sins. In order to receive eternal life, one must hear the Gospel and place one's faith in Christ as their Savior. Unsaved man will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire, along with Satan and his fallen angels.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:44 PM
When will sd preach the right gospel?

He's unaware of it. Preach it to him Sister. Then, he can't use that as an excuse when he stands before God on judgement day.

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:44 PM
Yes.

http://www.truegospelofjesuschrist.org/forgiveness_versesThanks. That's what I believe, too. I am just curious why GM can't directly answer with a Yes or No, as you easily did, brother.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:45 PM
Most people are religious, however, not all are part of the Body of Christ.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:46 PM
Thanks. That's what I believe, too. I am just curious why GM can't directly answer with a Yes or No, as you easily did, brother.

It needs more than a yes or no answer.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:47 PM
Samie, if you don't have the patience to learn truth, then, go to another thread.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:49 PM
Samie, another tactic you might make use of is, don't ask me any questions. Now, isn't that simple?

Letsargue
March 30th, 2016, 01:49 PM
Eternal life is possible for everyone who ever existed. Christ made that possible because He paid the price for ALL of humanities sins. However, one must place their faith in Christ as their Savior in order to reap the benefits. The rest will stand before God at the judgment throne and be judged by their works and cast into the Lake of Fire.


A-N-D How is that DONE Without "BAPTISM"?????

(( Acts 2:38 KJV ))!!!!!! -- 38- "Then Peter Said unto "T-H-E-M", ""(( Repent , and be Baptized ))(( Every O-N-E of You IN the "Name of Jesus Christ" "FOR the remission of sins""!!.

That's What ""G-O-D"" -- S-A-I-D!!!!!!!! NOT YOU!!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016!!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:52 PM
The unsaved will be judged by God the Father. The saved will stand before God the Son. (The Lord Jesus Christ) There is no condemnation/judgment for the True Beliver. They will receive rewards.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:53 PM
Got to go. Be back later.

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 01:53 PM
[Must We Confess Every Sin to be Forgiven?] Yes.


Thanks. That's what I believe, too. I am just curious why GM can't directly answer with a Yes or No, as you easily did, brother.Conviction must lead to conversion (Mt 27:5).

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:54 PM
Salvation is by God's Grace through our faith.Salvation from sin is why Jesus came to earth for. If one is forgiven, then he is saved from sin. And as you said forgiveness was done on the cross, then salvation from sin was done on the cross FOR all. And so, all were saved from sin. This is Salvation in the past tense. God's work FOR us ALL. Not an iota of human participation.

Sadly, you teach that unless people first believe, he cannot benefit from what God through Christ has done FOR all of humanity. That smells of salvation by works, brother.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:55 PM
A-N-D How is that DONE Without "BAPTISM"?????

(( Acts 2:38 KJV ))!!!!!! -- 38- "Then Peter Said unto "T-H-E-M", ""(( Repent , and be Baptized ))(( Every O-N-E of You IN the "Name of Jesus Christ" "FOR the remission of sins""!!.

That's What ""G-O-D"" -- S-A-I-D!!!!!!!! NOT YOU!!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016!!

Today, the Holy Spirit places the believer into the Body of Christ. Holy Spirit Baptism. Nothing to do with tongues etc...

Letsargue
March 30th, 2016, 01:56 PM
The unsaved will be judged by God the Father. The saved will stand before God the Son. (The Lord Jesus Christ) There is no condemnation/judgment for the True Beliver. They will receive rewards.


GOD Never Said Any of THAT, You DID!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:56 PM
Acts 2:38 is pertaining to the House of Israel who chose to reject Christ as their Messiah.

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 01:57 PM
You are misquoting BR, SD. I asked him if he believed all sins were forgiven on the cross, and he answered Yes. And that's what I believe, too, NOT that we must confess all sins to be forgiven.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 01:57 PM
GOD Never Said Any of THAT, You DID!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

Read the Bible instead of ranting and raving about people you hate! Which appears to be everybody?

Letsargue
March 30th, 2016, 01:59 PM
Today, the Holy Spirit places the believer into the Body of Christ. Holy Spirit Baptism. Nothing to do with tongues etc...


GOD Never said that, You DID!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

Letsargue
March 30th, 2016, 02:00 PM
Read the Bible instead of ranting and raving about people you hate! Which appears to be everybody?


GOD N-e-v-e-r Said That EITHER!!! YOU Did!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

Letsargue
March 30th, 2016, 02:03 PM
Acts 2:38 is pertaining to the House of Israel who chose to reject Christ as their Messiah.


GOD SAID: ((( "E-V-E-R-Y -- O-N-E Of YOU" )))!!! Not what YOU Said!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 02:25 PM
Salvation from sin is why Jesus came to earth for. If one is forgiven, then he is saved from sin...

They'll take the Savior part but not the Lord part (1 Co 1:18).

Letsargue
March 30th, 2016, 02:34 PM
Read the Bible instead of ranting and raving about people you hate! Which appears to be everybody?


O--K!!!!!

Christ's Body WAS Made of the ""WORD Of GOD"" && ""Christ was the "TRUTH""!!!

(( "Not One Jot nor one Title SHALL IN NO WISE PASS from the L-A-W Until ALL Be Fulfilled )) // GOD // CHRIST!!!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 02:35 PM
You are misquoting BR, SD. I asked him if he believed all sins were forgiven on the cross, and he answered Yes. And that's what I believe, too, NOT that we must confess all sins to be forgiven.

We aren't even aware of all our sin until coming to faith (Lev. 4:2, Jn 16:12). It comes to the surface like pond scum. Better keep short accounts with God (Heb. 10:26).

jamie
March 30th, 2016, 02:38 PM
The unsaved will be judged by God the Father.



For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son. (John 5:22)

serpentdove
March 30th, 2016, 02:39 PM
Salvation is by God's Grace through our faith.

Mt 7:20, Jas 2:18 :sherlock:

Samie
March 30th, 2016, 04:34 PM
We aren't even aware of all our sin until coming to faith (Lev. 4:2, Jn 16:12). It comes to the surface like pond scum. Better keep short accounts with God (Heb. 10:26).If people are not aware of sin, then they are not to be held accountable. Think again, brother.

Bright Raven
March 30th, 2016, 04:44 PM
Confession must lead to conversion (Mt 27:5).

Your post makes no sense. Please explain.

exminister
March 30th, 2016, 04:45 PM
So SD if on your last day you have sinned, just a little one, and just before you confess you are in a car accident and die will you be in hell?

Ssssserpent Dove is afraid of this question.

:olinger:

heir
March 30th, 2016, 05:37 PM
Before you've committed them? :dizzy: Sorry, Greek pagan (Ac 17:22).When "Christ died on the cross for our sins" (Romans 4:25 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) all of our sins were in the future!
When you commit a sin (1 Jn 1:9), :listen: and you do (1 Jn 2:4) you'll need to bring it up one of these days :freak: to Almighty God. This is what we call a relationship. :Plain: 1 John 1:9 KJV has nothing to do with confessing to a priest or otherwise. 1 John 1:9 KJV is about that day when a fountain is opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and uncleaness.

Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

"That day" would be what many refer to as the second coming of the Lord. The Body of Christ has already been caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). It's in one accord with what Peter preached in Acts 3:

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Act 3:19-21 has nothing to do with the Body of Christ. Israel looks forward to the blotting out of their sins. That's what it says. For that is God's covenant unto them when He shall take awy their sins.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Israel looks forward to their sins being blotted out while we in the Body of Christ look back to the cross. We have already received the atonement.

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

It has NOTHING to do with anyone today!


See:

Does God Know Your Entire Future? (http://kgov.com/open-theism) By Bob EnyartBob rejects that God foreknew us (Romans 8:28-30 KJV). Find yourself a preacher who actually preaches the cross as the means by which we are saved (1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) and trust the Lord believing IT to be saved.

God's Truth
March 30th, 2016, 06:45 PM
1 John 1:9 states: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

At first glance, one might ascertain that means we need to confess each sin we commit in order to be forgiven of that particular sin. However, that contradicts the Scriptures that state, Christ died for the sins of all. He paid the price with His shed blood and that was a one time sacrifice.

The Bible tells us, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Christ paid the price once and for all. The True Believers sins were already paid for therefore, we need not add anything to what Christ already accomplished. So, what is that Scripture verse really saying? It's relating to us that after we hear the Gospel of our salvation, we must confess to God that we are guilty of being a lost sinner and willing to place ALL of our faith in Christ as our Savior.

Christ's sacrifice was accepted by God the Father when Christ was raised from the dead. It was finished. We need only place our faith in Christ while admitting that we're a sinner in need of a Savior and that Savior is The Lord Jesus Christ. So far as desiring a good relationship with God goes, I personally think confessing a known sin that we've committed is a good way to show God our desire to have good fellowship with Him. However, we need not confess each and every sin in order to be forgiven. We've already been forgiven!


At least you say we have to come to God through Jesus and admit we are sinners; and, at least you say we should confess a known sin. However, how do you get you don't have to know all your sins?

God's Truth
March 30th, 2016, 06:49 PM
At least you say we have to come to God through Jesus and admit we are sinners; and, at least you say we should confess a known sin.

I can hardly believe you admit it.

meshak
March 30th, 2016, 06:59 PM
If people are not aware of sin, then they are not to be held accountable. Think again, brother.

But you have to be careful. Jesus taught us how to avoid sin.

We better read His teachings so we can avoid sin.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 08:23 PM
O--K!!!!!

Christ's Body WAS Made of the ""WORD Of GOD"" && ""Christ was the "TRUTH""!!!

(( "Not One Jot nor one Title SHALL IN NO WISE PASS from the L-A-W Until ALL Be Fulfilled )) // GOD // CHRIST!!!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

No matter what you say, you're still mentally disturbed. You told TOL posters that you were placed in a mental institution by your church. You REALLY sound reliable. :rotfl:

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 08:24 PM
Letsargue has also said that he puts people in Hell!! Now, that sounds sane huh?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 08:25 PM
GOD Never Said Any of THAT, You DID!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

Did the voices in your head tell you that?

chirhotech
March 30th, 2016, 09:10 PM
I agree as well. I had this conversation with a friend the other day who believed they had to ask forgiveness for every sin to remain saved. The problem is for someone to claim this to be true and still be in right standing with God, they would have to be keenly aware, at all times, that everything that they say and did perfectly lined up with the standard of God. If sin is to be understood as "missing the mark" set before us by the Lord and His Word, then every time we do something contrary to His standard, we sin. I don't know about anyone else on here, but I figure more and more of this out every day. Constantly discovering new ways in which I need to change, different areas where I have fallen short. This means for over twenty-five years I was falling short in these areas and never asked forgiveness for it. Thank the Lord for His mercy and grace!

patrick jane
March 30th, 2016, 09:29 PM
I agree as well. I had this conversation with a friend the other day who believed they had to ask forgiveness for every sin to remain saved. The problem is for someone to claim this to be true and still be in right standing with God, they would have to be keenly aware, at all times, that everything that they say and did perfectly lined up with the standard of God. If sin is to be understood as "missing the mark" set before us by the Lord and His Word, then every time we do something contrary to His standard, we sin. I don't know about anyone else on here, but I figure more and more of this out every day. Constantly discovering new ways in which I need to change, different areas where I have fallen short. This means for over twenty-five years I was falling short in these areas and never asked forgiveness for it. Thank the Lord for His mercy and grace!
Colossians 1:20 KJV - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV -

jamie
March 30th, 2016, 09:40 PM
If sin is to be understood as "missing the mark" set before us by the Lord and His Word, then every time we do something contrary to His standard, we sin.


What do you believe defines God's standard for us today?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:14 PM
GOD SAID: ((( "E-V-E-R-Y -- O-N-E Of YOU" )))!!! Not what YOU Said!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 033016

Isn't it time for you to get another fitting for a straight jacket? I hear they have them on sale.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:16 PM
For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son. (John 5:22)

That was written concerning the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:21 PM
Salvation from sin is why Jesus came to earth for. If one is forgiven, then he is saved from sin. And as you said forgiveness was done on the cross, then salvation from sin was done on the cross FOR all. And so, all were saved from sin. This is Salvation in the past tense. God's work FOR us ALL. Not an iota of human participation.

Sadly, you teach that unless people first believe, he cannot benefit from what God through Christ has done FOR all of humanity. That smells of salvation by works, brother.

I'd have my sinuses checked if I were you? One MUST place their faith in Christ as their Savior before they become a child of God. You must be a Calvinist?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:29 PM
Beware of Letsargue folks. He's not right in the head. He has said that he can't wait to see us in Hell!! He thinks he's able to place us there. Listen to him at your own risk.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:33 PM
Christ said in Matthew 15:24--"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew through John was written ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel, not to us Gentiles.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:35 PM
Paul wrote to us Gentiles in Romans through Philemon. We're told in the Bible to "Rightly Divide" the word. The entire Bible is for us (Gentiles) however, not all of it pertains to us.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:39 PM
If you don't Rightly Divide the Bible you'll wind up finding contradictions and end up confused. James speaks of Faith plus works in order to be saved. He is writing to the scattered tribes of Israel. Whereas, Paul says, faith alone without works. He's writing to us Gentiles.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:40 PM
Gentiles were never under the Law. The Law was for the House of Israel. (The Chosen people)

God's Truth
March 30th, 2016, 11:41 PM
Paul wrote to us Gentiles in Romans through Philemon. We're told in the Bible to "Rightly Divide" the word. The entire Bible is for us (Gentiles) however, not all of it pertains to us.

When Jesus walked the earth, he said to forgive others or you will not be forgiven.

Is that for you?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:43 PM
If one tries to enter eternal life through good works/deeds, water baptism and supposed obedience to the Law, they'll be following another Gospel and will not enter eternal life with God.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:43 PM
When Jesus walked the earth, he said to forgive others or you will not be forgiven.

Is that for you?

Jesus was speaking to the House of Israel only. He says that in Matthew 15:24

God's Truth
March 30th, 2016, 11:44 PM
If one tries to enter eternal life through good works/deeds, water baptism and supposed obedience to the Law, they'll be following another Gospel and will not enter eternal life with God.

You have a strange denomination which says people are damned for obeying.

God's Truth
March 30th, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jesus was speaking to the House of Israel only.

You do not have to forgive?

God's Truth
March 30th, 2016, 11:48 PM
According to GM's logic, Jesus' words have become death to me because I forgave others when I wanted the Father to forgive me.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:48 PM
The ascended Christ met Paul on the road to Damascus and subsequently gave Paul the Grace Gospel that he was to take to the Gentiles. The message was; Grace through faith alone.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:50 PM
According to GM's logic, Jesus' words have become death to me because I forgave others when I wanted the Father to forgive me.

This comment of yours is convoluted.

God's Truth
March 30th, 2016, 11:51 PM
The ascended Christ met Paul on the road to Damascus and subsequently gave Paul the Grace Gospel that he was to take to the Gentiles. The message was; Grace through faith alone.

According to your beliefs, I am commanded not to obey anything Jesus says when he walked the earth, and if I do I will be condemned to Hell.

Does that sound good and right to you?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:52 PM
According to your beliefs, I am commanded not to obey anything Jesus says when he walked the earth, and if I do I will be condemned to Hell.

Does that sound good and right to you?

Who was Jesus speaking to in Matthew through John?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 30th, 2016, 11:54 PM
I'll give you a hint: Matthew 15:24

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 12:00 AM
Who was Jesus speaking to in Matthew through John?

When Jesus was crucified on the cross, then everything was also given to those not of blood relation to Abraham through Isaac.

According to your beliefs, I am commanded not to obey anything Jesus says when he walked the earth, and if I do I will be condemned to Hell.

Does that sound good and right to you?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 12:00 AM
Did ya figure it out yet GT?

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 12:01 AM
I'll give you a hint: Matthew 15:24

And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 12:02 AM
I'll give you a little more time to give an answer.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 12:03 AM
I'll give you a little more time to give an answer.

How is it my doing what Jesus says when he walked the earth causes me death?

Does that sound right to you?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 12:07 AM
How is it my doing what Jesus says when he walked the earth causes me death?

Does that sound right to you?

Well, it looks like you still need a little more time to answer my question?

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 12:09 AM
Well, it looks like you still need a little more time to answer my question?

I answer your questions. Please answer mine.

Since I forgave all to be saved, and I forgive all to remain saved, has obeying Jesus' words that he said when he walked the earth became death to me?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 12:12 AM
I tell you what GT if you're secure in your religion and believe it will gain you eternal life, that's your choice. I'll not preach to you again. We're done. Have at it.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 12:13 AM
I answer your questions. Please answer mine.

Since I forgave all to be saved, and I forgive all to remain saved, has obeying Jesus' words that he said when he walked the earth became death to me?

Believe what you will. Be happy.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 12:14 AM
Goodnight.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 12:17 AM
I tell you what GT if you're secure in your religion and believe it will gain you eternal life, that's your choice. I'll not preach to you again. We're done. Have at it.

Don't you want to help save me? Don't you want me to know your gospel?

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 12:19 AM
Believe what you will. Be happy.

You have told me I am condemned for obeying something Jesus said when he walked the earth.

How do you tell someone that and then tell them believe what you will be happy?

Samie
March 31st, 2016, 04:15 AM
I'd have my sinuses checked if I were you? One MUST place their faith in Christ as their Savior before they become a child of God. You must be a Calvinist?If I remember right, you placed me in your ignore list. Did you already remove me from that list, my brother?

Were you forgiven from sin BEFORE you believed in Christ?

I know this is a very simple question, but I do have a funny feeling you will not address this directly with a Yes or No.

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 04:21 AM
1 John 1:9 states: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

At first glance, one might ascertain that means we need to confess each sin we commit in order to be forgiven of that particular sin. However, that contradicts the Scriptures that state, Christ died for the sins of all. He paid the price with His shed blood and that was a one time sacrifice.

The Bible tells us, "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Christ paid the price once and for all. The True Believers sins were already paid for therefore, we need not add anything to what Christ already accomplished. So, what is that Scripture verse really saying? It's relating to us that after we hear the Gospel of our salvation, we must confess to God that we are guilty of being a lost sinner and willing to place ALL of our faith in Christ as our Savior.

Christ's sacrifice was accepted by God the Father when Christ was raised from the dead. It was finished. We need only place our faith in Christ while admitting that we're a sinner in need of a Savior and that Savior is The Lord Jesus Christ. So far as desiring a good relationship with God goes, I personally think confessing a known sin that we've committed is a good way to show God our desire to have good fellowship with Him. However, we need not confess each and every sin in order to be forgiven. We've already been forgiven!


"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

So I'm confused. You see, I work for a tech business, and in programming code, the word if denotes a conditional statement. Only if a certain condition is met does the code execute a certain task. If the condition is not met, the task is not carried out by the program.

For example, the script behind this website has the condition that if I select the send button, the comment I type is sent. If I never selected the send button, none of you would have seen this comment.

The logical inference is that the case of the quoted biblical passage, it seems:

1. Cause: If I confess my sins (condition met)

then

2. Effect: God forgives my sins and cleanses me from all unrighteousness (task executed)

Isn't it illogical to say that John 1:9 means the opposite? Or should we instead believe that John is mistaken?

chrysostom
March 31st, 2016, 05:21 AM
So I'm confused. You see, I work for a tech business, and in programming code, the word if denotes a conditional statement. Only if a certain condition is met does the code execute a certain task. If the condition is not met, the task is not carried out by the program.


you are not confused
-they are
-and
-paul agrees when he says
-might be save (https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=might++be+saved&qs_version=KJV)
-it is conditional
-and
-depends on what you do

SaulToPaul
March 31st, 2016, 05:46 AM
you are not confused
-they are
-and
-paul agrees when he says
-might be save (https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=might++be+saved&qs_version=KJV)
-it is conditional
-and
-depends on what you do

He also says "were saved".
Is he bipolar?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 06:55 AM
Don't you want to help save me? Don't you want me to know your gospel?

I tried, you're not interested so I give up. As a "True Believer," my responsibility is to testify of the Grace of God. If someone rejects it, my job is done. By you rejecting it doesn't do me any harm.

I don't think Paul sat around ruminating on those who rejected his Message.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 08:10 AM
Jesus shed blood and resurrection is what saves us for eternity, not confessing every single sin. If that were the case, we would play a part in our own salvation.

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 08:17 AM
Many believe they do not need to repent.

See:

Will There Be a Total Apostasy of the Church? (http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/thru-the-bible-sunday-sermon/listen/will-there-be-a-total-apostasy-of-the-church-156303.html)By J. Vernon McGee

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jesus shed blood and resurrection is what saves us for eternity, not confessing every single sin. If that were the case, we would play a part in our own salvation.

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Hi, Grosnick. Are you saying that forgiving us our sins is not what saves us for eternity, or is John mistaken? (Trying to wrap my head around what the author is saying.)

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 08:30 AM
you are not confused
-they are
-and
-paul agrees when he says
-might be save (https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=might++be+saved&qs_version=KJV)
-it is conditional
-and
-depends on what you do

Thanks, Chrysostom. So what must I do to be saved?

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 08:32 AM
Many believe they do not need to repent.

See:

Will There Be a Total Apostasy of the Church? (http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/thru-the-bible-sunday-sermon/listen/will-there-be-a-total-apostasy-of-the-church-156303.html)By J. Vernon McGee

Serpentdove: Please tell me what you believe.

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 08:40 AM
Serpentdove: Please tell me what you believe.

Ac 2:38, Lk 24:47

chrysostom
March 31st, 2016, 08:45 AM
Thanks, Chrysostom. So what must I do to be saved?

love God and your neighbor
-everything else hangs on that

jamie
March 31st, 2016, 08:53 AM
So what must I do to be saved?


Jesus said, "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17)

The commandments Jesus referred to are the principles of the everlasting covenant. (Hebrews 13:20)

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jesus said, "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17)

The commandments Jesus referred to are the principles of the everlasting covenant. (Hebrews 13:20)

Those verses were meant for the House of Israel. Are you a member of the House of Israel?

chrysostom
March 31st, 2016, 08:55 AM
Serpentdove: Please tell me what you believe.

she believes that you must listen to what the pope says

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 08:56 AM
love God and your neighbor
-everything else hangs on that

Do you love everybody Chrys?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 08:59 AM
Ac 2:38, Lk 24:47

That would make you a Member of the House of Israel living 2000 years ago? Is that what you are identifying with?

jamie
March 31st, 2016, 09:07 AM
Those verses were meant for the House of Israel. Are you a member of the House of Israel?


Not of the House of Israel but of the Israel of God, God's firstborn.

Nor does a person need to be a Corinthian to keep Passover. (1 Corinthians 5:7)

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:07 AM
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Hi, Grosnick. Are you saying that forgiving us our sins is not what saves us for eternity, or is John mistaken? (Trying to wrap my head around what the author is saying.)

He was saying that we must be willing to admit we are sinners in order to start the process of becoming a member of the Body of Christ. There is no real need to confess every single sin we ever committed because Christ paid for the sins of humanity on the cross of Calvary. If salvation was based upon confession of all sin, what would happen if you should die before confessing each and every sin?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:10 AM
Not of the House of Israel but of the Israel of God, God's firstborn.

Nor does a person need to be a Corinthian to keep Passover. (1 Corinthians 5:7)

Are you admitting to being a "Worker" and not a "Faither?" Do you feel the need to gain eternal life through your good works/deeds?

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 09:10 AM
[Ac 2:38, Lk 24:47] That would make you a Member of the House of Israel...

Serpentdove :skeptic: --not http://vananne.com/serpentdove/hvxbmAAQVDOcBo7mbf8V.gif a Jew (Mal 4:5-6). :bowser: :bowser:

jamie
March 31st, 2016, 09:11 AM
If salvation was based upon confession of all sin, what would happen if you should die before confessing each and every sin?


You obviously don't know what sin is in the context of God's everlasting covenant.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 09:13 AM
I tried, you're not interested so I give up. As a "True Believer," my responsibility is to testify of the Grace of God. If someone rejects it, my job is done. By you rejecting it doesn't do me any harm.

I don't think Paul sat around ruminating on those who rejected his Message.

Why can't you answer the question?

Does it sound right to you that I am condemned for doing something Jesus said when he walked the earth?

As for Paul, he debated and argued in public debate.

jamie
March 31st, 2016, 09:14 AM
Are you admitting to being a "Worker" and not a "Faither?" Do you feel the need to gain eternal life through your good works/deeds?


We are given eternal life by Jesus' grace to serve him by good works. (Ephesians 2:10)

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jesus shed blood and resurrection is what saves us for eternity, not confessing every single sin. If that were the case, we would play a part in our own salvation.

So when Jesus says repent or perish, those words have now become death to those who repented before they were saved?

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 09:19 AM
He was saying that we must be willing to admit we are sinners in order to start the process of becoming a member of the Body of Christ. There is no real need to confess every single sin we ever committed because Christ paid for the sins of humanity on the cross of Calvary. If salvation was based upon confession of all sin, what would happen if you should die before confessing each and every sin?

So believing AND ADMITTING we are sinners is how we can be saved?

You said we only have to believe. Now you say we have to admit we are sinners.

At least you admit that now.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 09:21 AM
Paul says the same thing that John the baptizer says, and that is to repent and prove our repentance by our deeds.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.

John the baptizer:

Matthew 3:8
Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:22 AM
You obviously don't know what sin is in the context of God's everlasting covenant.

Well, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I don't happen to agree however, that's okay.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 09:22 AM
GM, Since you say we have to admit we are sinners so we can be saved, don't you think it would be good to know what sins we are doing and confess those sins?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:23 AM
So believing AND ADMITTING we are sinners is how we can be saved?

You said we only have to believe. Now you say we have to admit we are sinners.

At least you admit that now.

Whatever you say. It's your opinion and you're welcome to it.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:24 AM
GM, Since you say we have to admit we are sinners so we can be saved, don't you think it would be good to know what sins we are doing and confess those sins?

It's not necessary for eternal life.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 09:25 AM
Psalm 32:5 Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD." And you forgave the guilt of my sin.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:27 AM
GM, Since you say we have to admit we are sinners so we can be saved, don't you think it would be good to know what sins we are doing and confess those sins?

If you didn't know you were a sinner, why would you feel the need for a Savior? Obviously, one must realize they're a sinner. The way to eternal life is to, hear the Gospel and place ALL your faith in Jesus Christ as your Savior.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 09:29 AM
If you didn't know you were a sinner, why would you feel the need for a Savior? Obviously, one must realize they're a sinner. The way to eternal life is to, hear the Gospel and place ALL your faith in Jesus Christ as your Savior.

For the same reason John the baptizer asked some who warned them from the coming wrath.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 09:30 AM
Luke 3:7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?


John knew that there were people coming to be baptized for repentance but people who were not really sorry for their sins.

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 09:34 AM
she believes that you must listen to what the pope says

A type of Jezebel. http://vananne.com/serpentdove/lips.gif Too bad the Jews welcome him like a king (Da 11:14).

"Too bad." :chz4brnz: ~ Seth Brundle, The Fly

I bet he'll have you believe that he :olinger: fulfills Is 2:3: For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. :freak:

:listen: The real King is coming.

See:

The Millennium—What? Where? When? How? Who? (http://www.oneplace.com/(F(PJQS_GbbV0s1kJ6QoGVQ2trmpql68VWVPIBeHt1B1euh6eH Dqsts7hicirBVWIdsMecZ4Daa_ueenflzlNKEKtxOdlQn3YSZd say0PSBg5ZeWUZz5AU_nNzN-eA71khdfvT02rpyjECcZ-OGQIYSY3bE8FI1))/ministries/thru-the-bible-sunday-sermon/listen/the-millenniumwhat-where-when-how-who-157380.html) By J. Vernon McGee

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:36 AM
Psalm 32:5 Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD." And you forgave the guilt of my sin.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

That doesn't mean you must confess every single sin in order to gain eternal life. It means we must confess (In the beginning) that we are a sinner. Only sinners hear the Gospel and place their Faith in Christ. Everyone is a sinner. In order to gain eternal life we need not confess every sin we have or will commit. Otherwise, if we should die before we confessed every sin, we would not gain entrance to eternal life. Christ paid the price for ALL of humanities sins therefore, all that hear the Gospel and place their faith in Christ will inherit eternal life.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:39 AM
Luke 3:7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?


John knew that there were people coming to be baptized for repentance but people who were not really sorry for their sins.

There's only one baptism today in this Dispensation of Grace and that is when the Holy Spirit baptizes someone into the Body of Christ.

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 09:40 AM
Ac 2:38, Lk 24:47

Acts 2:38

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

I suppose the meaning of repent is ambiguous. For I've heard some say it is a change of action, yet others say it is a change of mind. But what do you say repentance is?

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 09:43 AM
love God and your neighbor
-everything else hangs on that

So what is love? An emotion you feel, or an action you take?

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 09:43 AM
[Acts 2:38] I suppose the meaning of repent is ambiguous.
Bow to him now as Lord and Savior or later as Judge (Ro 14:11).

chrysostom
March 31st, 2016, 09:44 AM
So what is love? An emotion you feel, or an action you take?

love is an action you take

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 09:45 AM
GT, you are stubborn and obstinate. You have your mind made up and will not learn from others. You argue with everybody. Are you on TOL for the sole reason of argueing with anybody/everybody?

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jesus said, "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:17)

The commandments Jesus referred to are the principles of the everlasting covenant. (Hebrews 13:20)

It would seem that if I must consistently and actually keep the commandments, then I have no hope of entering into eternal life. Is there a plan B for the weak like me?

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 09:51 AM
He was saying that we must be willing to admit we are sinners in order to start the process of becoming a member of the Body of Christ. There is no real need to confess every single sin we ever committed because Christ paid for the sins of humanity on the cross of Calvary. If salvation was based upon confession of all sin, what would happen if you should die before confessing each and every sin?

I see. Then why didn't he write, "If we confess our sinfulness" instead of, "if we confess our sins"? Is there perhaps an error in translation?

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 10:01 AM
Bow to him now as Lord and Savior or later as Judge (Ro 14:11).

Thanks for the explanation, but I must confess I'm slow to understand. The words of the biblical passage you cited:

It is written:“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,‘every knee will bow before me;every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

So are you saying it is impossible to repent while sitting, walking, running, reclining or standing? Or do you think getting on one's knees is a metaphor for something other than kneeling?

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 10:02 AM
He was saying that we must be willing to admit we are sinners in order to start the process of becoming a member of the Body of Christ...
You claim to believe his word? :blabla: How do you obey his word? :Poly: Rom. 6:17

meshak
March 31st, 2016, 10:09 AM
It would seem that if I must consistently and actually keep the commandments, then I have no hope of entering into eternal life. Is there a plan B for the weak like me?

There is no plan B.

You have nothing to worry if you read His word or teachings and practice what He says.

I know it is not easy task if we are not willing go give up our selfish way of life.
But Jesus says His yoke is easy. His teachings are much lighter than what the world has to offer to people.

The key is if we are willing to give up worldly desire or mentality.

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 10:18 AM
love is an action you take

Yes, I suppose it would depend on the context. I love sushi, so...

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 10:18 AM
So SD if on your last day you have sinned, just a little one, and just before you confess you are in a car accident and die will you be in hell?
If you claim a verse of scripture, :listen: be sure it belongs to you (2 Co 13:5, 1 Jn 3:14).

See:

What is the sea of forgetfulness? (http://www.gotquestions.org/sea-of-forgetfulness.html)

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 10:21 AM
There is no plan B.

You have nothing to worry if you read His word or teachings and practice what He says.

I know it is not easy task if we are not willing go give up our selfish way of life.
But Jesus says His yoke is easy. His teachings are much lighter than what the world has to offer to people.

The key is if we are willing to give up worldly desire or mentality.

Hi, Meshak. I must confess I'm in awe of you being able to give up desire. For me, desires are like feelings. Just as I cannot help what I feel, so too I cannot help what I desire. Though I suppose I sometimes successfully resist acting on my desires.

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 10:23 AM
There's only one baptism today in this Dispensation of Grace and that is when the Holy Spirit baptizes someone into the Body of Christ.

You claim to have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. :blabla: What do your fruits look like? :sherlock:

The works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries (Ga 5:19–21).

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control (Ga 5:22–23).

meshak
March 31st, 2016, 10:26 AM
Hi, Meshak. I must confess I'm in awe of you being able to give up desire. For me, desires are like feelings. Just as I cannot help what I feel, so too I cannot help what I desire. Though I suppose I sometimes successfully resist acting on my desires.

I know it is not easy task for most of us because Jesus' teachings are super high standards. We don't want to give up our worldly desires. That's why we constantly should pray and try to be true to Jesus in everything we do.

If we are not improving as we get older, we are only giving Him a lip service. Jesus will not accept lukewarm faith.

BTW, I am still very worldly. But I should be improving as time goes.

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 10:29 AM
So what is love? An emotion you feel, or an action you take?

An emotion that leads to action.

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails (1 Co 13:4–8). :straight:

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 10:42 AM
I know it is not easy task for most of us because Jesus' teachings are super high standards. We don't want to give up our worldly desires. That's why we constantly should pray and try to be true to Jesus in everything we do.

If we are not improving as we get older, we are only giving Him a lip service. Jesus will not accept lukewarm faith.

BTW, I am still very worldly. But I should be improving as time goes.

I see. So having room for improvement means you are not always living according to the commandments, I suppose. So it seems we add both in the same sinking boat, though you are much better at bailing water than me! Still, this boat eventually won't float, so it seems we're both going to drown. Doesn't it?

My thought is this: If such are the requirements, and God does not intend there to be so very few (if any) in heaven, then the logical inference is this process of improving would have to continue after death. For I'm unaware of any who do live so perfectly according to their understandings of God's desires for them.

What do you think?

Spockrates
March 31st, 2016, 10:46 AM
An emotion that leads to action.

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails (1 Co 13:4–8). :straight:

Yes, so are you saying being kind, humble, polite, selfless, patient, hopeful and enduring are requirements of living after death?

exminister
March 31st, 2016, 11:06 AM
So SD if on your last day you have sinned, just a little one, and just before you confess you are in a car accident and die will you be in hell?


If you claim a verse of scripture, :listen: be sure it belongs to you (2 Co 13:5, 1 Jn 3:14).

See:

What is the sea of forgetfulness? (http://www.gotquestions.org/sea-of-forgetfulness.html)

Playing dodge ball I see. Sorry that you do worry about dying before you confession that one last sin. Don't forget.

:olinger:

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 11:11 AM
Yes, so are you saying being kind, humble, polite, selfless, patient, hopeful and enduring are requirements of living after death?

You can't be: kind, :o humble, :o polite, :o selfless :o ... Ro 3:12

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 11:17 AM
[We aren't even aware of all our sin until coming to faith (Lev. 4:2, Jn 16:12). It comes to the surface like pond scum. Better keep short accounts with God (Heb. 10:26).] If people are not aware of sin, then they are not to be held accountable. Think again, brother.

You are aware of your every offence toward God. :idunno: You fully appreciate the exceeding sinfulness of your sin. :o Ro 7:13

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 11:25 AM
[If you claim a verse of scripture, :listen: be sure it belongs to you (2 Co 13:5, 1 Jn 3:14). See: What is the sea of forgetfulness? (http://www.gotquestions.org/sea-of-forgetfulness.html)] Playing dodge ball I see. Sorry that you do worry about dying before you confession that one last sin...

:olinger:

:yawn: strawman Eph 4:14

If you claim a verse of scripture, :listen: be sure it belongs to you (Is. 44:22, 1 Jn 3:14).

exminister
March 31st, 2016, 11:41 AM
Playing dodge ball I see. Sorry that you do worry about dying before you confession that one last sin. Don't forget.

:olinger:


:yawn: strawman

If you claim a verse of scripture, :listen: be sure it belongs to you (Is. 44:22, 1 Jn 3:14).

Typical SD. :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

You remind me of the current crop of politicians who can never answer a direct question.

:rotfl:

serpentdove
March 31st, 2016, 12:32 PM
[If you claim a verse of scripture, :listen: be sure it belongs to you (Is. 44:22, 1 Jn 3:14).] Typical SD...You remind me of the current crop of politicians who can never answer a direct question.

:rotfl::yawn: ad hominem Eph 4:14

If you claim a verse of scripture, :listen: be sure it belongs to you (Mic. 7:19, 1 Jn 3:14).

jamie
March 31st, 2016, 12:37 PM
It would seem that if I must consistently and actually keep the commandments, then I have no hope of entering into eternal life. Is there a plan B for the weak like me?


Plan B is Jesus' grace by whom we are saved. Which of the commandments are you not able to keep?

heir
March 31st, 2016, 12:53 PM
What do you believe defines God's standard for us today?

100% righteousness of God is the standard for heaven. How you doing with that?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 01:30 PM
Hi, Meshak. I must confess I'm in awe of you being able to give up desire. For me, desires are like feelings. Just as I cannot help what I feel, so too I cannot help what I desire. Though I suppose I sometimes successfully resist acting on my desires.

If you value your soul, don't make Meshak your mentor! Here's what she believes/doesn't believe:

1) She doesn't believe in the Trinity and despises those who do.
2) She claims that the Apostle Paul (one of the writers of the Bible) is an anti-Christ.
3) She despises people who attend church.
4) She has stated that she doesn't know if she is saved and going to Heaven.
5) She only trusts in the books of Matthew through Mark and rejects the rest.
6) She rejects the Gospel, which holds the truth of how to spend eternity with
God in Heaven.
7) She's an enemy of the true Gospel.

Watch out for this woman! You've been warned!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 01:34 PM
100% righteousness of God is the standard for heaven. How you doing with that?

What Jamie doesn't realize is: In order to enter eternal life one must have the righteousness of Christ and be in the Body of Christ.

jamie
March 31st, 2016, 02:23 PM
100% righteousness of God is the standard for heaven. How you doing with that?


I'm doing fine, thanks for asking. And you?

heir
March 31st, 2016, 02:24 PM
I'm doing fine, thanks for asking. And you?
Romans 3:23 KJV

How are you going to get 100% righteousness of God?

meshak
March 31st, 2016, 02:25 PM
I see. So having room for improvement means you are not always living according to the commandments, I suppose. So it seems we add both in the same sinking boat, though you are much better at bailing water than me! Still, this boat eventually won't float, so it seems we're both going to drown. Doesn't it?

That's why we need Jesus.

Jesus says with God anything is possible. Most of us will not be perfect like Jesus but with the Holy Spirit's help He will fill our imperfection part.

But we have to be careful to strive to be true to Him. He is seeking our sincere heart. God is also merciful. He will not dismiss our effort.

Jesus' followers have responsibility to be a good witness for Jesus. If we are trying, it will show in our conduct.

jamie
March 31st, 2016, 02:28 PM
Just because humans have sinned and come short of the glory of God doesn't mean they must continue that way.

heir
March 31st, 2016, 02:30 PM
Just because humans have sinned and come short of the glory of God doesn't mean they must continue that way.The standard is the righteousness of God yet

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

You will never reach the standard Romans 3:23 KJV!

What will you do?

jamie
March 31st, 2016, 02:50 PM
Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. (1 John 3:7)

It's not my righteousness, it's his righteousness manifest through me.

Totton Linnet
March 31st, 2016, 03:12 PM
I must have been, through foreknowledge... having been buried by baptism with him and risen with him through the faith of the operation of God.

Totally gospel

Totton Linnet
March 31st, 2016, 03:18 PM
It is good fellowship to say sorry slong as we don't make doctrine out of it

heir
March 31st, 2016, 06:33 PM
Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. (1 John 3:7)

It's not my righteousness, it's his righteousness manifest through me.LOL As if! Titus 3:5 KJV. How do you get the righteousness of God! You need it or else.

heir
March 31st, 2016, 06:34 PM
It is good fellowship to say sorry slong as we don't make doctrine out of it
Confessing your sins according to the hijackin of 1 John 1:9 KJV is a testimony that you don't believe they are all forgiven (Colossians 2:13 KJV)!

Choleric
March 31st, 2016, 06:35 PM
That's why we need Jesus.

indeed


Jesus says with God anything is possible. Most of us will not be perfect like Jesus but with the Holy Spirit's help He will fill our imperfection part.

that is false. You have no scripture to support that theory. That is the "way that seemeth right unto a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death."


But we have to be careful to strive to be true to Him. He is seeking our sincere heart. God is also merciful. He will not dismiss our effort.

Saved people will love God with their lives, but God cannot save you if you think you are also saving yourself:

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.


Jesus' followers have responsibility to be a good witness for Jesus. If we are trying, it will show in our conduct.

yes, but your conduct is irrelevant to your salvation. You are trying to make yourself good enough instead of just trusting in God for His righteousness:

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

heir
March 31st, 2016, 06:43 PM
indeed



that is false. You have no scripture to support that theory. That is the "way that seemeth right unto a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death."



Saved people will love God with their lives, but God cannot save you if you think you are also saving yourself:

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.



yes, but your conduct is irrelevant to your salvation. You are trying to make yourself good enough instead of just trusting in God for His righteousness:

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.Hey! I haven't seen you around for a while. Just had to say hi :wave: and GTSY!

Choleric
March 31st, 2016, 06:47 PM
thanks. It has been a couple years, just thought I'd see whatd going on around here. Good to see some familiar faces still preaching the truth, including you...

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 07:28 PM
Confessing your sins according to the hijackin of 1 John 1:9 KJV is a testimony that you don't believe they are all forgiven (Colossians 2:13 KJV)!

Yep!

meshak
March 31st, 2016, 07:58 PM
indeed



that is false. You have no scripture to support that theory. That is the "way that seemeth right unto a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death."



Saved people will love God with their lives, but God cannot save you if you think you are also saving yourself:

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.



yes, but your conduct is irrelevant to your salvation. You are trying to make yourself good enough instead of just trusting in God for His righteousness:

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


You can keep your opinion.

good day.

Choleric
March 31st, 2016, 08:32 PM
Meshak you are deceived. I am not giving you opinion. I am giving you scripture. Can't you see that you are being lied to by the father of lies that your good behavior is part of GOd's plan of salvation?

Please repent of your works based salvation and trust Christ alone before it is too late.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 10:58 PM
Meshak you are deceived. I am not giving you opinion. I am giving you scripture. Can't you see that you are being lied to by the father of lies that your good behavior is part of GOd's plan of salvation?

Please repent of your works based salvation and trust Christ alone before it is too late.

Her heart seems hardened against the truth of God's Grace. She has decided to go it alone and earn her way to Heaven.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:00 PM
You can keep your opinion.

good day.

You can keep your false security in yourself.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:15 PM
Meshak you are deceived. I am not giving you opinion. I am giving you scripture. Can't you see that you are being lied to by the father of lies that your good behavior is part of GOd's plan of salvation?

Please repent of your works based salvation and trust Christ alone before it is too late.

So is 'repent' a non obedience work that you qualify as acceptable?

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:20 PM
indeed



that is false. You have no scripture to support that theory. That is the "way that seemeth right unto a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death."



Saved people will love God with their lives, but God cannot save you if you think you are also saving yourself:

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.



yes, but your conduct is irrelevant to your salvation. You are trying to make yourself good enough instead of just trusting in God for His righteousness:

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

How can anyone ever preach what you do that our conduct is irrelevant?

Where does such a teaching come from?

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:26 PM
Confessing your sins according to the hijackin of 1 John 1:9 KJV is a testimony that you don't believe they are all forgiven (Colossians 2:13 KJV)!

The Gentiles were dead in their sins because they did not do the ceremonial/purification works...they did nothing about their sinful condition...they did not do the purification works God said to do.

Dead in sins does not mean the less you do...the more you lie still...the better chance of being saved correctly.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:29 PM
How can anyone ever preach what you do that our conduct is irrelevant?

Where does such a teaching come from?

Choleric is correct and GT is incorrect as usual. How does she do it folks?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:31 PM
I wish everybody could be as consistent as GT. It must take a lot of practice?

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:31 PM
LOL As if! Titus 3:5 KJV. How do you get the righteousness of God! You need it or else.

The works of righteousness were CIRCUMCISION, and the dietary laws, and the observance of special days, and various external washings, and the sacrifice of animals!

Those are the righteous works that no longer matter. It still matters if we obey God.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:32 PM
It is good fellowship to say sorry slong as we don't make doctrine out of it

You better not make humbleness a doctrine? Jesus says if you do not humble yourself you will never enter.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:34 PM
The Gentiles were dead in their sins because they did not do the ceremonial/purification works...they did nothing about their sinful condition...they did not do the purification works God said to do.

Dead in sins does not mean the less you do...the more you lie still...the better chance of being saved correctly.

You're wrong again! Amazing. The Gentiles were NEVER under the Law nor were given the Law. Only the Hebrews were given the Law. They were the "Chosen people" of God. The Gentiles? Forget about it.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:35 PM
How could the Gentiles be expected to follow the Law that they were never given or under? Use your head woman.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:36 PM
Romans 3:23 KJV

How are you going to get 100% righteousness of God?

By doing what the WAY says, and by continuing to eat from him.

John 6:35 Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:37 PM
You're wrong again! Amazing. The Gentiles were NEVER under the Law nor were given the Law. Only the Hebrews were given the Law. They were the "Chosen people" of God. The Gentiles? Forget about it.

What in the world does that have to do with the Gentiles NOW being INCLUDED?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:38 PM
No "True Believer" has ever, said that it's not right to be obedient to God? You made that up GT.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:38 PM
How could the Gentiles be expected to follow the Law that they were never given or under? Use your head woman.

How many times do you have to be told about the NEW LAW?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:39 PM
What in the world does that have to do with the Gentiles NOW being INCLUDED?

I really don't care what you have to say. I'm just letting the folks know that you're preaching falsehoods.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:41 PM
Folks, don't listen to GT, she's all confused and has nothing of worth to offer.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:42 PM
I really don't care what you have to say. I'm just letting the folks know that you're preaching falsehoods.

If you cannot defend your beliefs with truth, but only with insults, it should cause you to consider if what you are teaching is from God.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:45 PM
There's only one Gospel in this "Dispensation of Grace" and that is "The Grace Gospel." (Paul's Gospel) God's Grace through the faith of those who hear the Gospel and place their faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior. GT would have you believe that you must "work your way to Heaven." Don't listen to her false belief system.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 31st, 2016, 11:47 PM
GT preaches "Another Gospel." She's similar to Meshak. They both feel the need to EARN their salvation. That goes against the Grace of God and Paul's Gospel.

God's Truth
March 31st, 2016, 11:48 PM
There's only one Gospel in this "Dispensation of Grace" and that is "The Grace Gospel." (Paul's Gospel) God's Grace through the faith of those who hear the Gospel and place their faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior. GT would have you believe that you must "work your way to Heaven." Don't listen to her false belief system.

Grace is not---"No one can obey me or they will disqualify themselves."

What utter nonsense.