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Robert Pate
March 19th, 2016, 09:43 AM
Read this carefully because you will probably never hear it again. The Gospel is almost a thing of the past. People are not interested in what Jesus has done for us. They are more interested in what they can do for Jesus, which is their religion.

Jesus is Our Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, Glorifier and we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. If this is true then what good is Calvinism, Catholicism or any religion? If Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25, then why do we need anything else other than Christ himself? When we marry, why is it the preacher or priest doesn't say... "Do you take this person and their religion to be your lawfully married mate?". No, we don't marry any ones religion, we marry the person. It is later that religion becomes a problem.

REDEEMER: Redemption means to buy back. Fallen man is redeemed from the curse of a broken law. "The soul that sins shall die". Man is redeemed from the bondage of sin to a new life in Christ, Romans 6:4. Jesus Christ, who knew no sin becomes sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in him, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

JUSTIFIER: Means to make right. Jesus MAKES us right with God, he is our justifier, Romans 3:26. Man cannot justify himself with God because he is a sinner, Romans 3:10. God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners. Justification is the judicial act of God by which he declares a sinner to be just based upon the meritorious work of Christ that was done on his behalf.

RECONCILER: Means to be brought back to a right relationship with God. The word "reconciliation" means that at one time man was estranged from God. When Adam sinned he lost his relationship with God. Jesus in our name and on our behalf reconciles us to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. He reconciles us to God by doing for us those things that we cannot do for ourselves. He fulfills God's Holy Law and atones for our sins and in doing so reconciles us to God.

SANCTIFIER: To set aside as God's. All who come to Christ as repentant sinners to receive God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, receive God's mark which is the Holy Spirit. God gives us his Spirit and places us in Christ, Colossians 3:3. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13. There is no unsealing because of sin. God now sees all that have been sanctified by Christ as perfect and complete in Christ, Ephesians 2:6.

GLORIFIER: To be made like Christ. Because we are in Christ, we shall also be like Christ when he appears, Colossians 3:4. Until Christ appears we will continue to live in these Adamic bodies that are prone to sin and corruption, Paul said, "This corruption must put on incorruption" 1 Corinthians 15:53. Paul saw himself as "The Chief of Sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15. Glorification will happen when the glorifier appears. Until then we will have to groan within these bodies right along with the whole creation, Romans 8:22-25.

Robert Pate
March 21st, 2016, 08:39 AM
If Jesus is our Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, Glorifier, then why do you need a religion?

What does a religion do that God has not already done for you in Jesus Christ.

Can the church save you? What or who can justify and reconcile you to God? These are serious questions and demand an answer.

jamie
March 21st, 2016, 08:58 AM
What does a religion do that God has not already done for you in Jesus Christ.


Our religion defines the parameters of our faith just as your antinomian religion defines your faith.

Robert Pate
March 21st, 2016, 09:03 AM
Our religion defines the parameters of our faith just as your antinomian religion defines your faith.

Jesus should be the heart and the center of your faith, not religion.

jamie
March 21st, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jesus should be the heart and the center of your faith, not religion.


Jesus is the personification of religion defined by faith even to the point of death. Jesus remained true to his faith. His mission was to correct the religion of the Hebrews, not to destroy something that does not belong to him. We call that vandalism.

genuineoriginal
March 21st, 2016, 12:16 PM
People are not interested in what Jesus has done for us. They are more interested in what they can do for Jesus

If Jesus is our Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, Glorifier, then why do you need a religion?

What does a religion do that God has not already done for you in Jesus Christ.

Can the church save you? What or who can justify and reconcile you to God? These are serious questions and demand an answer.
You are too focused on what Jesus Christ can do for you, what your religion can do for you, and what your church can do for you.

It is all about you and not about Jesus Christ.

You have missed out on what Jesus Christ is telling you to do as your Lord, since you stopped listening to Him as soon as figured out that you got what you wanted from Him.

If Jesus is not your Lord, then He will never be your Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, or Glorifier.

Ask Mr. Religion
March 21st, 2016, 01:33 PM
If Jesus is our Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, Glorifier, then why do you need a religion?

What does a religion do that God has not already done for you in Jesus Christ.
Robert, your double-mindedness (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?111969-Why-I-Don-t-Believe-in-Calvinism-or-Predestination&p=4402162&viewfull=1#post4402162) makes it difficult to pin down what exactly you believe...



Christianity is a faith religion. We are called to believe things that cannot be believed by unbelievers. They are things of the Spirit that unbelievers do not have access to, 1 Corinthians 2:14. We spend a lot of time on the forum trying to convince these people that are void of the Spirit things of the Spirit.

Make up your mind, Robert. :AMR:


Can the church save you? What or who can justify and reconcile you to God? These are serious questions and demand an answer.

If you dug a wee bit deeper, you would have the answer to your questions: extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


The Scripture knows nothing of "Just Me and My Bible" or the "Lone Ranger" Christian, which is why we confess that there is no salvation outside the church (extra ecclesiam nulla salus). Many when reading this statement recoil with immediate thoughts of Romanism. But let's examine the statement carefully to avoid making that mistake.

WCF (http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/) Chapter 25

Section 2


The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion; (1 Cor. 1:2, 1 Cor. 12:12-13, Ps. 2:8, Rev. 7:9, Rom. 15:9-12) and of their children: (1 Cor. 7:14, Acts 2:39, Ezek. 16:20-21, Rom. 11:16, Gen. 3:15, Gen. 17:7) and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ, (Matt. 13:47, Isa. 9:7) the house and family of God, (Eph. 2:19, Eph. 3:15) out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation. (Acts 2:47)


When "church" is used we must define terms.

The visible church has an ideal quality to it, meaning that if it were possible it would perfectly represent the true church, which contains only saints. So, the statement extra ecclesiam nulla salus is speaking principally of of the true church, of whom Christ our Lord is the head.

Wherever He is the true Lord, there is the one and only place of salvation, and all believers are permanent citizens of that kingdom. Clearly, then, outside of that church, there is no salvation, inside that church there is all salvation.

The WCF, from which a portion is quoted above, was written in a period of Protestant church stability and establishment. For the writers of the WCF the visible church was to be formed and governed by this very Creed--extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Hence, it was important that the writers add the word "ordinary," which is not so as to imply or proclaim that there is any other Way of salvation, but to affirm that the earthly church is not in fact the true church.

There is a sacramental connection between the church militant and church triumphant, but one is the Sign, the other the thing Signified. The WCF statement above warns those who forsake the visible church that they do so at their peril. Where else will one find the Gospel but in the church? But if the church forsakes the gospel, as has Rome, then salvation will be found outside it, until the faithful church be Re-formed around the gospel once again.

Do not assume Rome's claims to being the "one, true, church" on earth ring true. Nor should anyone outside of Romanism assume that there is salvation outside THE one, true, church.

The Belgic Confession states similarly to the WCF:



Article XXVIII
Every One Is Bound to Join Himself to the True Church

We believe, since this holy congregation is an assembly of those who are saved, and outside of it there is no salvation, that no person of whatsoever state or condition he may be, ought to withdraw from it, content to be by himself; but that all men are in duty bound to join and unite themselves with it; maintaining the unity of the Church; submitting themselves to the doctrine and discipline thereof; bowing their necks under the yoke of Jesus Christ; and as mutual members of the same body, serving to the edification of the brethren, according to the talents God has given them.


To which, J. Van Bruggen, The Church Says Amen: An Exposition of the Belgic Confession, p. 163, explains:


"This article says that there is no salvation outside of the Church, and it is of paramount importance to understand this correctly. It does not say that no one shall be saved outside the Church, nor does it say that there is no saved person outside the Church; rather, salvation is not outside of her. Salvation is what God gives to His Church. That is why we must seek it there and not anywhere outside of the Church. Neither does this article say anywhere that whoever withdraws himself from the Church cannot be saved, but rather that this is "contrary to the ordinance of God."




All should feed their faith and starve any doubts by not neglecting daily Scripture study, rejoicing in hope, being patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer (Romans 12:12), fellowship with other believers, keeping good stewardship of the secular and spiritual gifts God has given them—including how and where their time is being spent—and with regular assembly with others for corporate worship of God, to receive instruction, to access the ordinary means of grace of Word and sacrament, and be subject to discipline (see also here (http://www.puritansermons.com/baxter/baxter5.htm), and Genesis 15:1-6; Prov. 3:5-8; Romans 5:1-11; Eph. 6, 1 Cor. 9:24-27; Hebrews 10:19-25, 35-39; Hebrews 11:1,6).

AMR

Robert Pate
March 21st, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jesus is the personification of religion defined by faith even to the point of death. Jesus remained true to his faith. His mission was to correct the religion of the Hebrews, not to destroy something that does not belong to him. We call that vandalism.Jesus totally and completely destroyed the Jewish religion. This is why "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH" and not by rules, laws or religion.

Robert Pate
March 21st, 2016, 01:48 PM
Robert, your double-mindedness (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?111969-Why-I-Don-t-Believe-in-Calvinism-or-Predestination&p=4402162&viewfull=1#post4402162) makes it difficult to pin down what exactly you believe...



Make up your mind, Robert. :AMR:



If you dug a wee bit deeper, you would have the answer to your questions: extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


The Scripture knows nothing of "Just Me and My Bible" or the "Lone Ranger" Christian, which is why we confess that there is no salvation outside the church (extra ecclesiam nulla salus). Many when reading this statement recoil with immediate thoughts of Romanism. But let's examine the statement carefully to avoid making that mistake.

WCF (http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/) Chapter 25

Section 2


The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion; (1 Cor. 1:2, 1 Cor. 12:12-13, Ps. 2:8, Rev. 7:9, Rom. 15:9-12) and of their children: (1 Cor. 7:14, Acts 2:39, Ezek. 16:20-21, Rom. 11:16, Gen. 3:15, Gen. 17:7) and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ, (Matt. 13:47, Isa. 9:7) the house and family of God, (Eph. 2:19, Eph. 3:15) out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation. (Acts 2:47)


When "church" is used we must define terms.

The visible church has an ideal quality to it, meaning that if it were possible it would perfectly represent the true church, which contains only saints. So, the statement extra ecclesiam nulla salus is speaking principally of of the true church, of whom Christ our Lord is the head.

Wherever He is the true Lord, there is the one and only place of salvation, and all believers are permanent citizens of that kingdom. Clearly, then, outside of that church, there is no salvation, inside that church there is all salvation.

The WCF, from which a portion is quoted above, was written in a period of Protestant church stability and establishment. For the writers of the WCF the visible church was to be formed and governed by this very Creed--extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Hence, it was important that the writers add the word "ordinary," which is not so as to imply or proclaim that there is any other Way of salvation, but to affirm that the earthly church is not in fact the true church.

There is a sacramental connection between the church militant and church triumphant, but one is the Sign, the other the thing Signified. The WCF statement above warns those who forsake the visible church that they do so at their peril. Where else will one find the Gospel but in the church? But if the church forsakes the gospel, as has Rome, then salvation will be found outside it, until the faithful church be Re-formed around the gospel once again.

Do not assume Rome's claims to being the "one, true, church" on earth ring true. Nor should anyone outside of Romanism assume that there is salvation outside THE one, true, church.

The Belgic Confession states similarly to the WCF:



Article XXVIII
Every One Is Bound to Join Himself to the True Church

We believe, since this holy congregation is an assembly of those who are saved, and outside of it there is no salvation, that no person of whatsoever state or condition he may be, ought to withdraw from it, content to be by himself; but that all men are in duty bound to join and unite themselves with it; maintaining the unity of the Church; submitting themselves to the doctrine and discipline thereof; bowing their necks under the yoke of Jesus Christ; and as mutual members of the same body, serving to the edification of the brethren, according to the talents God has given them.


To which, J. Van Bruggen, The Church Says Amen: An Exposition of the Belgic Confession, p. 163, explains:


"This article says that there is no salvation outside of the Church, and it is of paramount importance to understand this correctly. It does not say that no one shall be saved outside the Church, nor does it say that there is no saved person outside the Church; rather, salvation is not outside of her. Salvation is what God gives to His Church. That is why we must seek it there and not anywhere outside of the Church. Neither does this article say anywhere that whoever withdraws himself from the Church cannot be saved, but rather that this is "contrary to the ordinance of God."




All should feed their faith and starve any doubts by not neglecting daily Scripture study, rejoicing in hope, being patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer (Romans 12:12), fellowship with other believers, keeping good stewardship of the secular and spiritual gifts God has given them—including how and where their time is being spent—and with regular assembly with others for corporate worship of God, to receive instruction, to access the ordinary means of grace of Word and sacrament, and be subject to discipline (see also here (http://www.puritansermons.com/baxter/baxter5.htm), and Genesis 15:1-6; Prov. 3:5-8; Romans 5:1-11; Eph. 6, 1 Cor. 9:24-27; Hebrews 10:19-25, 35-39; Hebrews 11:1,6).

AMR

What has Calvinism done for you? Try nothing.

It is Jesus Christ that redeems, justifies, reconciles, sanctifies and glorifies.

This why Paul said, "And you are complete in him" Colossians 2:10.

Making all religions worthless.

Ask Mr. Religion
March 21st, 2016, 02:09 PM
Making all religions worthless.


Many think that they can believe what they want to believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ and that there are no consequences to what they believe.

There are consequences to not having the correct beliefs.

Christianity is a faith religion. We are called to believe things that cannot be believed by unbelievers. They are things of the Spirit that unbelievers do not have access to, 1 Corinthians 2:14. We spend a lot of time on the forum trying to convince these people that are void of the Spirit things of the Spirit.

Glad we agree the one exception is Christianity, Robert. ;)

AMR

Robert Pate
March 21st, 2016, 02:30 PM
Glad we agree the one exception is Christianity, Robert. ;)

AMR

There is a whole boat load of things that we do not agree on.

The "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ calls into question every aspect of the Calvinist doctrine.

jamie
March 21st, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jesus totally and completely destroyed the Jewish religion.


Israel was the firstborn of the Father. It was not possible for Jesus to destroy the religion established by his Father.

You are bearing false witness against Jesus Christ. Why not get your story straight before you post?

Ask Mr. Religion
March 21st, 2016, 07:00 PM
There is a whole boat load of things that we do not agree on.
You are careless in the way you write, Robert. People are watching.

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117004-Jesus-said-quot-Beware-of-Men-quot/page12&p=4655848#post4655848

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117004-Jesus-said-quot-Beware-of-Men-quot/page12&p=4655903#post4655903

Your own hastily crafted words trip you up and paint yourself into a corner that you must try mightily to wiggle out of without success.

AMR

patrick jane
March 21st, 2016, 09:17 PM
Bobby Pate :nono:

Brother Ducky
March 22nd, 2016, 01:14 PM
Read this carefully because you will probably never hear it again. The Gospel is almost a thing of the past. People are not interested in what Jesus has done for us. They are more interested in what they can do for Jesus, which is their religion.

Jesus is Our Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, Glorifier and we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. If this is true then what good is Calvinism, Catholicism or any religion? If Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25, then why do we need anything else other than Christ himself? When we marry, why is it the preacher or priest doesn't say... "Do you take this person and their religion to be your lawfully married mate?". No, we don't marry any ones religion, we marry the person. It is later that religion becomes a problem.

REDEEMER: Redemption means to buy back. Fallen man is redeemed from the curse of a broken law. "The soul that sins shall die". Man is redeemed from the bondage of sin to a new life in Christ, Romans 6:4. Jesus Christ, who knew no sin becomes sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in him, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

JUSTIFIER: Means to make right. Jesus MAKES us right with God, he is our justifier, Romans 3:26. Man cannot justify himself with God because he is a sinner, Romans 3:10. God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners. Justification is the judicial act of God by which he declares a sinner to be just based upon the meritorious work of Christ that was done on his behalf.

RECONCILER: Means to be brought back to a right relationship with God. The word "reconciliation" means that at one time man was estranged from God. When Adam sinned he lost his relationship with God. Jesus in our name and on our behalf reconciles us to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. He reconciles us to God by doing for us those things that we cannot do for ourselves. He fulfills God's Holy Law and atones for our sins and in doing so reconciles us to God.

SANCTIFIER: To set aside as God's. All who come to Christ as repentant sinners to receive God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, receive God's mark which is the Holy Spirit. God gives us his Spirit and places us in Christ, Colossians 3:3. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13. There is no unsealing because of sin. God now sees all that have been sanctified by Christ as perfect and complete in Christ, Ephesians 2:6.

GLORIFIER: To be made like Christ. Because we are in Christ, we shall also be like Christ when he appears, Colossians 3:4. Until Christ appears we will continue to live in these Adamic bodies that are prone to sin and corruption, Paul said, "This corruption must put on incorruption" 1 Corinthians 15:53. Paul saw himself as "The Chief of Sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15. Glorification will happen when the glorifier appears. Until then we will have to groan within these bodies right along with the whole creation, Romans 8:22-25.

Who is included in "our?"

Robert Pate
March 22nd, 2016, 04:35 PM
Who is included in "our?"

Blood bought believers in Jesus Christ and his Gospel.

Robert Pate
March 22nd, 2016, 04:42 PM
Robert, your double-mindedness (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?111969-Why-I-Don-t-Believe-in-Calvinism-or-Predestination&p=4402162&viewfull=1#post4402162) makes it difficult to pin down what exactly you believe...



Make up your mind, Robert. :AMR:



If you dug a wee bit deeper, you would have the answer to your questions: extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


The Scripture knows nothing of "Just Me and My Bible" or the "Lone Ranger" Christian, which is why we confess that there is no salvation outside the church (extra ecclesiam nulla salus). Many when reading this statement recoil with immediate thoughts of Romanism. But let's examine the statement carefully to avoid making that mistake.

WCF (http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/) Chapter 25

Section 2


The visible Church, which is also catholic or universal under the Gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion; (1 Cor. 1:2, 1 Cor. 12:12-13, Ps. 2:8, Rev. 7:9, Rom. 15:9-12) and of their children: (1 Cor. 7:14, Acts 2:39, Ezek. 16:20-21, Rom. 11:16, Gen. 3:15, Gen. 17:7) and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ, (Matt. 13:47, Isa. 9:7) the house and family of God, (Eph. 2:19, Eph. 3:15) out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation. (Acts 2:47)


When "church" is used we must define terms.

The visible church has an ideal quality to it, meaning that if it were possible it would perfectly represent the true church, which contains only saints. So, the statement extra ecclesiam nulla salus is speaking principally of of the true church, of whom Christ our Lord is the head.

Wherever He is the true Lord, there is the one and only place of salvation, and all believers are permanent citizens of that kingdom. Clearly, then, outside of that church, there is no salvation, inside that church there is all salvation.

The WCF, from which a portion is quoted above, was written in a period of Protestant church stability and establishment. For the writers of the WCF the visible church was to be formed and governed by this very Creed--extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Hence, it was important that the writers add the word "ordinary," which is not so as to imply or proclaim that there is any other Way of salvation, but to affirm that the earthly church is not in fact the true church.

There is a sacramental connection between the church militant and church triumphant, but one is the Sign, the other the thing Signified. The WCF statement above warns those who forsake the visible church that they do so at their peril. Where else will one find the Gospel but in the church? But if the church forsakes the gospel, as has Rome, then salvation will be found outside it, until the faithful church be Re-formed around the gospel once again.

Do not assume Rome's claims to being the "one, true, church" on earth ring true. Nor should anyone outside of Romanism assume that there is salvation outside THE one, true, church.

The Belgic Confession states similarly to the WCF:



Article XXVIII
Every One Is Bound to Join Himself to the True Church

We believe, since this holy congregation is an assembly of those who are saved, and outside of it there is no salvation, that no person of whatsoever state or condition he may be, ought to withdraw from it, content to be by himself; but that all men are in duty bound to join and unite themselves with it; maintaining the unity of the Church; submitting themselves to the doctrine and discipline thereof; bowing their necks under the yoke of Jesus Christ; and as mutual members of the same body, serving to the edification of the brethren, according to the talents God has given them.


To which, J. Van Bruggen, The Church Says Amen: An Exposition of the Belgic Confession, p. 163, explains:


"This article says that there is no salvation outside of the Church, and it is of paramount importance to understand this correctly. It does not say that no one shall be saved outside the Church, nor does it say that there is no saved person outside the Church; rather, salvation is not outside of her. Salvation is what God gives to His Church. That is why we must seek it there and not anywhere outside of the Church. Neither does this article say anywhere that whoever withdraws himself from the Church cannot be saved, but rather that this is "contrary to the ordinance of God."




All should feed their faith and starve any doubts by not neglecting daily Scripture study, rejoicing in hope, being patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer (Romans 12:12), fellowship with other believers, keeping good stewardship of the secular and spiritual gifts God has given them—including how and where their time is being spent—and with regular assembly with others for corporate worship of God, to receive instruction, to access the ordinary means of grace of Word and sacrament, and be subject to discipline (see also here (http://www.puritansermons.com/baxter/baxter5.htm), and Genesis 15:1-6; Prov. 3:5-8; Romans 5:1-11; Eph. 6, 1 Cor. 9:24-27; Hebrews 10:19-25, 35-39; Hebrews 11:1,6).

AMR

Anyone that refers to themselves as Mr. Religion is just that, Religion.

Nanja
March 22nd, 2016, 06:04 PM
All should feed their faith and starve any doubts by not neglecting daily Scripture study, rejoicing in hope, being patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer (Romans 12:12), fellowship with other believers, keeping good stewardship of the secular and spiritual gifts God has given them—including how and where their time is being spent—and with regular assembly with others for corporate worship of God, to receive instruction, to access the ordinary means of grace of Word and sacrament, and be subject to discipline (see also here, and Genesis 15:1-6; Prov. 3:5-8; Romans 5:1-11; Eph. 6, 1 Cor. 9:24-27; Hebrews 10:19-25, 35-39; Hebrews 11:1,6).

AMR


I agree that daily scripture study is a must for God's Elect, and that's exactly what they wholeheartedly desire, Praise God!

But the scriptures you posted have nothing at all to do with sitting in a pew at a local congregation under the authority of a preacher, who even to the slightest degree, preaches a false gospel of works along side God's Gospel of Grace 2 Tim. 1:9. That's antichrist!


Rev. 18:4-5
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.


"Her" is the whore: the world's churches and congregations which have departed from the whole counsel of God. He will not allow His Elect Church to have anything to do with false religion. Thus He calls His Church to come out of her!


2 Cor. 6:14-18
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


2 Cor. 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


~~~~~

Robert Pate
March 23rd, 2016, 04:51 PM
I agree that daily scripture study is a must for God's Elect, and that's exactly what they wholeheartedly desire, Praise God!

But the scriptures you posted have nothing at all to do with sitting in a pew at a local congregation under the authority of a preacher, who even to the slightest degree, preaches a false gospel of works along side God's Gospel of Grace 2 Tim. 1:9. That's antichrist!


Rev. 18:4-5
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.


"Her" is the whore: the world's churches and congregations which have departed from the whole counsel of God. He will not allow His Elect Church to have anything to do with false religion. Thus He calls His Church to come out of her!


2 Cor. 6:14-18
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


2 Cor. 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


~~~~~

Most of what you have said pertains to Calvinism, which is a false doctrine.

Nanja
March 23rd, 2016, 05:14 PM
Most of what you have said pertains to Calvinism, which is a false doctrine.


What I have posted is directly from the scriptures.

So then it is with the scriptures themselves where your disagreement lies.

~~~~~

Robert Pate
March 23rd, 2016, 07:26 PM
What I have posted is directly from the scriptures.

So then it is with the scriptures themselves where your disagreement lies.

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No, the disagreement lies with Calvinism, not the scriptures.

I think that someday you will drop Calvinism.

Nanja
March 23rd, 2016, 07:48 PM
No, the disagreement lies with Calvinism, not the scriptures.

I think that someday you will drop Calvinism.


Those scriptures are Truth.

Do you deny them?

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patrick jane
March 23rd, 2016, 08:07 PM
What I have posted is directly from the scriptures.

So then it is with the scriptures themselves where your disagreement lies.

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You can't interpret and comprehend

Robert Pate
March 24th, 2016, 08:38 AM
Those scriptures are Truth.

Do you deny them?

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There is nothing wrong with the scriptures, it is how you interpret them.

Since the whole New Testament is about Jesus Christ and his Gospel don't you think that it would be wise to interpret everything in the light of that?

beloved57
March 24th, 2016, 01:54 PM
Read this carefully because you will probably never hear it again. The Gospel is almost a thing of the past. People are not interested in what Jesus has done for us. They are more interested in what they can do for Jesus, which is their religion.

Jesus is Our Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, Glorifier and we are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. If this is true then what good is Calvinism, Catholicism or any religion? If Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25, then why do we need anything else other than Christ himself? When we marry, why is it the preacher or priest doesn't say... "Do you take this person and their religion to be your lawfully married mate?". No, we don't marry any ones religion, we marry the person. It is later that religion becomes a problem.

REDEEMER: Redemption means to buy back. Fallen man is redeemed from the curse of a broken law. "The soul that sins shall die". Man is redeemed from the bondage of sin to a new life in Christ, Romans 6:4. Jesus Christ, who knew no sin becomes sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in him, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

JUSTIFIER: Means to make right. Jesus MAKES us right with God, he is our justifier, Romans 3:26. Man cannot justify himself with God because he is a sinner, Romans 3:10. God does not accept the works or the obedience of sinners. Justification is the judicial act of God by which he declares a sinner to be just based upon the meritorious work of Christ that was done on his behalf.

RECONCILER: Means to be brought back to a right relationship with God. The word "reconciliation" means that at one time man was estranged from God. When Adam sinned he lost his relationship with God. Jesus in our name and on our behalf reconciles us to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. He reconciles us to God by doing for us those things that we cannot do for ourselves. He fulfills God's Holy Law and atones for our sins and in doing so reconciles us to God.

SANCTIFIER: To set aside as God's. All who come to Christ as repentant sinners to receive God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, receive God's mark which is the Holy Spirit. God gives us his Spirit and places us in Christ, Colossians 3:3. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13. There is no unsealing because of sin. God now sees all that have been sanctified by Christ as perfect and complete in Christ, Ephesians 2:6.

GLORIFIER: To be made like Christ. Because we are in Christ, we shall also be like Christ when he appears, Colossians 3:4. Until Christ appears we will continue to live in these Adamic bodies that are prone to sin and corruption, Paul said, "This corruption must put on incorruption" 1 Corinthians 15:53. Paul saw himself as "The Chief of Sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15. Glorification will happen when the glorifier appears. Until then we will have to groan within these bodies right along with the whole creation, Romans 8:22-25.

You teach salvation by works, by what a person does, which discounts salvation by what Christ did alone.

Robert Pate
March 25th, 2016, 08:21 AM
You teach salvation by works, by what a person does, which discounts salvation by what Christ did alone.


Did you not accept Calvinism as a means of your salvation? Was that not a work that you did to be saved?

beloved57
March 25th, 2016, 08:23 AM
Did you not accept Calvinism as a means of your salvation? Was that not a work that you did to be saved?
I didn't do anything, Christ death alone saved me while I was an enemy. Rom 5:10!

Nanja
March 25th, 2016, 10:34 AM
I didn't do anything, Christ death alone saved me while I was an enemy. Rom 5:10!


So true, and that's the only way a person is saved.

But many are condemned already; in a permanent state of being under the wrath of God John 3:18, 36!

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beloved57
March 25th, 2016, 11:26 AM
So true, and that's the only way a person is saved.

But many are condemned already; in a permanent state of being under the wrath of God John 3:18, 36!

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So true.

Robert Pate
March 25th, 2016, 12:19 PM
So true.

The blind leading the blind.

Your religion (Calvinism) is an offense to God's son. You are under the wrath of God.

beloved57
March 25th, 2016, 12:24 PM
The blind leading the blind.

Your religion (Calvinism) is an offense to God's son. You are under the wrath of God.
That's been your problem sir, as with all man made religions, teaching salvation by works, by what a person does!

Nanja
March 25th, 2016, 01:32 PM
The blind leading the blind.

Your religion (Calvinism) is an offense to God's son. You are under the wrath of God.


Not a chance!

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Nanja
March 25th, 2016, 04:58 PM
That's been your problem sir, as with all man made religions, teaching salvation by works, by what a person does!

Concisely!

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