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Robert Pate
March 18th, 2016, 08:53 AM
Paul Said that he stood in defense of the Gospel, Philippians 1:17. He didn't stand in defense of the law, nor did he stand in defense of some religion. If you read the epistles that Paul wrote and you come up with some doctrine like Calvinism, Catholicism or whatever it is because you have distorted what Paul has written.

Paul's main objective was the preaching of the Gospel. It was the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. Paul spent over 20 years of his life and traveled over 10,000 miles by donkey, by foot and by ship preaching the Gospel. Paul and the apostles were not taking a survey to see who had been predestinated, nor were they making plans to build elaborate cathedrals, there main goal was to preach the Gospel to as many as would hear it. It is the preaching of the Gospel that brings people to Christ, Acts 2:41.

Just like today, there was opposition to the Gospel and justification by faith. The Corinthians were a troublesome bunch. They wanted to split the church into various groups, 1 Corinthians 1:13-17. At one time Paul threatened to beat them with a rod, 1 Corinthians 4:21.

The Galatians were not much better. Paul had grounded them in the Gospel, but when he retuned they had a different Gospel, Galatians 1:6-10. The letter to the Ephesians is full of the Gospel, it is a wonderful book as is the book of Philippians. There was a problem with the church in Colossae due to heresy, Colossians 2:4-8 also 2:18. Once again Paul had to bring them back to the Gospel and justification by faith. There were apparently some problems with sexual purity in the church at Thessalonica, Thessalonians 4:1-12, that hindered Paul and the Gospel. False teachers were the problem in the book to Titus, Titus 1:10-16.

Paul was continually in defense of the Gospel. Paul would ground a church in the Gospel only to return some months later to find out that the Judaizers had moved in and had perverted the Gospel with the law. What do you stand in defense of?

jamie
March 18th, 2016, 12:23 PM
What do you stand in defense of?


Paul preached the good news of God's kingdom. Is that what you teach?

patrick jane
March 18th, 2016, 12:29 PM
Paul preached the good news of God's kingdom. Is that what you teach?
Did Paul talk about the Kingdom very often ?

jamie
March 18th, 2016, 12:32 PM
Did Paul talk about the Kingdom very often ?


Paul talked about what was required of those aspiring to God's kingdom.

patrick jane
March 18th, 2016, 12:33 PM
Paul preached the good news of God's kingdom. Is that what you teach?
Acts 28:31 KJV - 1 Corinthians 4:20 KJV - 1 Corinthians 6:9 KJV -

Robert Pate
March 18th, 2016, 12:33 PM
Paul preached the good news of God's kingdom. Is that what you teach?


Yes. The good news is that God justifies the ungodly (us) Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Question is have you accepted the offer of reconciliation that has been provided by Jesus Christ?

jamie
March 18th, 2016, 12:44 PM
Question is have you accepted the offer of reconciliation that has been provided by Jesus Christ?


Salvation is based on reconciliation with the Father through Jesus' blood.

Robert Pate
March 18th, 2016, 12:52 PM
Salvation is based on reconciliation with the Father through Jesus' blood.

Not just his blood, his life, death and resurrection. Christ presence in heaven is our assurance of our salvation.

jamie
March 18th, 2016, 03:06 PM
Not just his blood, his life, death and resurrection.


A person's life is in the blood. No blood equals no life.

Samie
March 18th, 2016, 03:19 PM
Yes. The good news is that God justifies the ungodly (us) Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Question is have you accepted the offer of reconciliation that has been provided by Jesus Christ?The gospel one preaches should not contradict what Jesus said. But the gospel a vast majority of preachers preach seems NOT the one Jesus preached. Isn't the gospel you teach (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117065-Arminians-Dilemma)the same with theirs?

Robert Pate
March 18th, 2016, 07:08 PM
The gospel one preaches should not contradict what Jesus said. But the gospel a vast majority of preachers preach seems NOT the one Jesus preached. Isn't the gospel you teach (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?117065-Arminians-Dilemma)the same with theirs?

I teach the same Gospel that Paul preached. Jesus did not teach the Gospel, he left that up to the apostles.

Paul taught that we are justified by faith in the work and person of Jesus Christ, Romans 5:1.

Jesus taught the law. The law reveals the righteousness of God and the sinfulness of man, Romans 3:19, 20.

jamie
March 18th, 2016, 08:42 PM
Paul taught that we are justified by faith in the work and person of Jesus Christ, Romans 5:1.


Yes, Paul was teaching from Habakkuk 2:4.

Samie
March 19th, 2016, 12:32 AM
I teach the same Gospel that Paul preached. Jesus did not teach the Gospel, he left that up to the apostles.

Paul taught that we are justified by faith in the work and person of Jesus Christ, Romans 5:1.

Jesus taught the law. The law reveals the righteousness of God and the sinfulness of man, Romans 3:19, 20.In relation to your statement I bolded in red above, what is this verse telling us?:

Mark 1:14, 15 KJV 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Robert Pate
March 19th, 2016, 11:04 AM
In relation to your statement I bolded in red above, what is this verse telling us?:

Mark 1:14, 15 KJV 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


The Gospel of the Kingdom is the good news that the King has arrived. Wherever the King is at there is his Kingdom.

That is not the same Gospel that Paul received from Jesus, Galatians 1:11, 12.

The Gospel that Paul taught justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

jamie
March 19th, 2016, 11:43 AM
That is not the same Gospel that Paul received from Jesus, Galatians 1:11, 12.


Sure it is, Paul never contradicts Jesus. Jesus was Paul's boss and Jesus taught Paul what he was to teach.

Samie
March 19th, 2016, 11:48 AM
The Gospel of the Kingdom is the good news that the King has arrived. Wherever the King is at there is his Kingdom.

. . .Is this the same gospel of the kingdom spoken of in Matt 24:14?

beloved57
March 19th, 2016, 12:28 PM
Paul Said that he stood in defense of the Gospel, Philippians 1:17. He didn't stand in defense of the law, nor did he stand in defense of some religion. If you read the epistles that Paul wrote and you come up with some doctrine like Calvinism, Catholicism or whatever it is because you have distorted what Paul has written.

Paul's main objective was the preaching of the Gospel. It was the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. Paul spent over 20 years of his life and traveled over 10,000 miles by donkey, by foot and by ship preaching the Gospel. Paul and the apostles were not taking a survey to see who had been predestinated, nor were they making plans to build elaborate cathedrals, there main goal was to preach the Gospel to as many as would hear it. It is the preaching of the Gospel that brings people to Christ, Acts 2:41.

Just like today, there was opposition to the Gospel and justification by faith. The Corinthians were a troublesome bunch. They wanted to split the church into various groups, 1 Corinthians 1:13-17. At one time Paul threatened to beat them with a rod, 1 Corinthians 4:21.

The Galatians were not much better. Paul had grounded them in the Gospel, but when he retuned they had a different Gospel, Galatians 1:6-10. The letter to the Ephesians is full of the Gospel, it is a wonderful book as is the book of Philippians. There was a problem with the church in Colossae due to heresy, Colossians 2:4-8 also 2:18. Once again Paul had to bring them back to the Gospel and justification by faith. There were apparently some problems with sexual purity in the church at Thessalonica, Thessalonians 4:1-12, that hindered Paul and the Gospel. False teachers were the problem in the book to Titus, Titus 1:10-16.

Paul was continually in defense of the Gospel. Paul would ground a church in the Gospel only to return some months later to find out that the Judaizers had moved in and had perverted the Gospel with the law. What do you stand in defense of?

You teach salvation by works, by what a person does, thats no defense of the Gospel, thats anti gospel !

Robert Pate
March 19th, 2016, 03:51 PM
Is this the same gospel of the kingdom spoken of in Matt 24:14?

The Gospel of the Kingdom in this case is a reference to the missionary expansion of the church throughout the world. It is the same Gospel that was preached by Paul and the apostles.

beloved57
March 19th, 2016, 04:07 PM
The Gospel you teach is a insult to Jesus Christ!

Robert Pate
March 19th, 2016, 04:18 PM
The Gospel you teach is a insult to Jesus Christ!

The Gospel that I teach brings honor and glory to Jesus Christ.

See my new thread "Jesus is our... Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, Glorifier."

beloved57
March 19th, 2016, 04:21 PM
The Gospel that I teach brings honor and glory to Jesus Christ.

See my new thread "Jesus is our... Redeemer, Justifier, Reconciler, Sanctifier, Glorifier."
You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief! That's antichrist.

Robert Pate
March 20th, 2016, 09:35 AM
You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief! That's antichrist.

God imposes salvation on no one because he is not a respecter of persons.

Salvation has been provided for all, but its not yours if you don't receive it, John 1:12.

beloved57
March 20th, 2016, 10:42 AM
God imposes salvation on no one because he is not a respecter of persons.

Salvation has been provided for all, but its not yours if you don't receive it, John 1:12.

Like I said, you deny the Saving Death of Christ, teaching that millions He died for wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief, thats antichrist !

Robert Pate
March 20th, 2016, 03:59 PM
Like I said, you deny the Saving Death of Christ, teaching that millions He died for wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief, thats antichrist !

Nothing in the Bible is yours if you don't receive it. You need to receive Christ as your savior, John 1:12.

beloved57
March 20th, 2016, 03:59 PM
Nothing in the Bible is yours if you don't receive it. You need to receive Christ as your savior, John 1:12.
Invalid comment not found in the scriptures!

Nanja
March 20th, 2016, 05:21 PM
Nothing in the Bible is yours if you don't receive it. You need to receive Christ as your savior, John 1:12.

You are a false teacher of salvation by one's works of the flesh!
Abomination Rom. 8:8!

~~~~~

beloved57
March 20th, 2016, 09:27 PM
You are a false teacher of salvation by one's works of the flesh!
Abomination Rom. 8:8!

~~~~~
Amen!

Robert Pate
March 21st, 2016, 07:28 AM
God does nothing outside of his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:14-19.

If you want to be saved you will have to go through Jesus Christ, John 14:6.

beloved57
March 24th, 2016, 04:28 PM
God does nothing outside of his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:14-19.

If you want to be saved you will have to go through Jesus Christ, John 14:6.
You don't believe in Jesus Christ. You teach salvation by works, by what a person does!

Robert Pate
March 25th, 2016, 12:35 PM
You don't believe in Jesus Christ. You teach salvation by works, by what a person does!


You had better do something because you are lost.

Here try this.

"Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

beloved57
March 25th, 2016, 12:37 PM
You had better do something because you are lost.

Here try this.

"Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
Only the deceived like you teach that man is saved by what he does.

Nanja
March 25th, 2016, 02:17 PM
You had better do something because you are lost.

Here try this.

"Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.



Only God's Chosen in Union with Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9 for Him to die for, shall call on / cry to Him day and night as evidence that they are His Elect Children.


Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?


Rom. 8:15-16
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Psalm 84:2
My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God.

~~~~~

beloved57
March 26th, 2016, 01:38 AM
Paul Said that he stood in defense of the Gospel, Philippians 1:17. He didn't stand in defense of the law, nor did he stand in defense of some religion. If you read the epistles that Paul wrote and you come up with some doctrine like Calvinism, Catholicism or whatever it is because you have distorted what Paul has written.

Paul's main objective was the preaching of the Gospel. It was the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. Paul spent over 20 years of his life and traveled over 10,000 miles by donkey, by foot and by ship preaching the Gospel. Paul and the apostles were not taking a survey to see who had been predestinated, nor were they making plans to build elaborate cathedrals, there main goal was to preach the Gospel to as many as would hear it. It is the preaching of the Gospel that brings people to Christ, Acts 2:41.

Just like today, there was opposition to the Gospel and justification by faith. The Corinthians were a troublesome bunch. They wanted to split the church into various groups, 1 Corinthians 1:13-17. At one time Paul threatened to beat them with a rod, 1 Corinthians 4:21.

The Galatians were not much better. Paul had grounded them in the Gospel, but when he retuned they had a different Gospel, Galatians 1:6-10. The letter to the Ephesians is full of the Gospel, it is a wonderful book as is the book of Philippians. There was a problem with the church in Colossae due to heresy, Colossians 2:4-8 also 2:18. Once again Paul had to bring them back to the Gospel and justification by faith. There were apparently some problems with sexual purity in the church at Thessalonica, Thessalonians 4:1-12, that hindered Paul and the Gospel. False teachers were the problem in the book to Titus, Titus 1:10-16.

Paul was continually in defense of the Gospel. Paul would ground a church in the Gospel only to return some months later to find out that the Judaizers had moved in and had perverted the Gospel with the law. What do you stand in defense of?

You reject the Gospel and preach a salvation by works, by what a person does. You dont believe the death of Christ saved those He died for. You teach that ungodly sinners Christ shed His Blood for still wind up in hell, the second death !

Cruciform
March 27th, 2016, 02:57 PM
If you read the epistles that Paul wrote and you come up with some doctrine like Calvinism, Catholicism or whatever it is because you have distorted what Paul has written.
If you read the epistles that Paul wrote and you come up with some doctrine like Pate-ism or whatever it is because you have distorted what Paul has written.

Robert Pate
March 28th, 2016, 03:18 PM
Only God's Chosen in Union with Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9 for Him to die for, shall call on / cry to Him day and night as evidence that they are His Elect Children.


Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?


Rom. 8:15-16
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Psalm 84:2
My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God.

~~~~~


No one will be saved that does not hear and believe the Gospel, Romans 1:16.

Robert Pate
March 28th, 2016, 03:20 PM
If you read the epistles that Paul wrote and you come up with some doctrine like Pate-ism or whatever it is because you have distorted what Paul has written.

The Bible does not support Catholicism.

What it does support is the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ and justification by faith.

Nanja
March 28th, 2016, 03:54 PM
No one will be saved that does not hear and believe the Gospel, Romans 1:16.


The Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4, given of the Father for Him to die for, He shall not lose one, for the Pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His Hand Is 53:10!


John 6:37-40
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

~~~~~

Robert Pate
March 28th, 2016, 04:34 PM
The Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4, given of the Father for Him to die for, He shall not lose one, for the Pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His Hand Is 53:10!


John 6:37-40
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

~~~~~


The Bible does not teach that you can be saved any other way than by hearing and believing the Gospel.

Paul makes it clear that "The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation for everyone that believes" Romans 1:16.

On the day of Pentecost 8,000 heard and believed the Gospel and were saved, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

You to can be saved if you hear and believe how God justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5 and reconciles the whole world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Cruciform
March 28th, 2016, 04:40 PM
The Bible does not support Catholicism.
...which has nothing whatsoever to do with my statement in Post #34 above, which therefore stands exactly as made.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 28th, 2016, 05:16 PM
...which has nothing whatsoever to do with my statement in Post #34 above, which therefore stands exactly as made.

The Catholic church is a fraud. Oh, how they LOVE their idols.

Nanja
March 28th, 2016, 05:33 PM
The Bible does not teach that you can be saved any other way than by hearing and believing the Gospel.


The Hearing of Faith Gal. 3:2,5 only applies to those who are Born of the Spirit, the Regenerate, which are given John 3:27 Spiritual Hearing. And we know that Faith comes by Hearing Rom. 10:17. So, you see, a person who hasn't been Born of God can do nothing that pleases Him Rom 8:8.

Before a person is Born of God, he/she can't even "hear" God's Words.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

The First Cause of Hearing and Believing the Gospel is God!

2 Thes. 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

~~~~~

Nanja
March 28th, 2016, 05:44 PM
The Gospel you teach is a insult to Jesus Christ!


So right you are!

~~~~~

Cruciform
March 28th, 2016, 09:37 PM
The Catholic church is a fraud. Oh, how they LOVE their idols.
Off-topic. (Not to mention categorically false.)

Robert Pate
March 30th, 2016, 04:59 PM
The Catholic church is a fraud. Oh, how they LOVE their idols.

They have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge, Romans 10:2.

Cruciform
March 30th, 2016, 10:04 PM
They have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge, Romans 10:2.
Applies perfectly to the myriad Protestant (non-Catholic) sects in existence today, with more being concocted every week.