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Robert Pate
March 14th, 2016, 11:58 AM
Paul wrote, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes" Romans 1:16.

Paul didn't say that predestination was the power of God unto salvation, nor did he say that the Catholic church is the power of God unto salvation.

There is power in the Gospel message and there is power in the Gospel. The reason that there is power in the Gospel message is because the Holy Spirit is present in the Gospel. It is the Holy Spirit that convicts people of their sins and brings them to Christ.

There is no power in the message of religion or in the preaching of the law. You can tell people that they must be predestinated to be saved and nothing will happen. You can preach Catholicism and nothing will happen. But when the Gospel is preached to sinners they come to Christ by the thousands, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

The day of Pentecost is a witness to the saving message of Jesus Christ. Here are thousands of unbelieving Jews, some of who had participated in the crucifixion of Christ, but when Peter stood up and presented the Gospel message to them in the power of the Holy Spirit they were convicted of their sins and their need for Jesus Christ. "Faith came by hearing and hearing by the word of God (the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

What happens when you tell some one about Calvinism? Nothing. What happens when you tell some one about Catholicism? Nothing. It is the Gospel message of Jesus Christ that can turn your life upside down. The preaching of the Gospel is what gave birth to the New Testament church.

To hear and reject the Gospel is to commit spiritual suicide, Acts 3:23.

patrick jane
March 14th, 2016, 12:05 PM
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


Romans 10:17 KJV - Romans 10:9-10 KJV - Romans 10:13 KJV -


Colossians 1:20 KJV - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV -

beloved57
March 15th, 2016, 12:25 AM
Paul wrote, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes" Romans 1:16.

Paul didn't say that predestination was the power of God unto salvation, nor did he say that the Catholic church is the power of God unto salvation.

There is power in the Gospel message and there is power in the Gospel. The reason that there is power in the Gospel message is because the Holy Spirit is present in the Gospel. It is the Holy Spirit that convicts people of their sins and brings them to Christ.

There is no power in the message of religion or in the preaching of the law. You can tell people that they must be predestinated to be saved and nothing will happen. You can preach Catholicism and nothing will happen. But when the Gospel is preached to sinners they come to Christ by the thousands, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

The day of Pentecost is a witness to the saving message of Jesus Christ. Here are thousands of unbelieving Jews, some of who had participated in the crucifixion of Christ, but when Peter stood up and presented the Gospel message to them in the power of the Holy Spirit they were convicted of their sins and their need for Jesus Christ. "Faith came by hearing and hearing by the word of God (the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

What happens when you tell some one about Calvinism? Nothing. What happens when you tell some one about Catholicism? Nothing. It is the Gospel message of Jesus Christ that can turn your life upside down. The preaching of the Gospel is what gave birth to the New Testament church.

To hear and reject the Gospel is to commit spiritual suicide, Acts 3:23.

You teach salvation by works, a false gospel that denies Christ!

Robert Pate
March 15th, 2016, 07:15 AM
You teach salvation by works, a false gospel that denies Christ!

The Bible teaches that the things of God must be received., John 1:12.

fishrovmen
March 15th, 2016, 07:38 AM
Paul wrote, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes" Romans 1:16.

Paul didn't say that predestination was the power of God unto salvation, nor did he say that the Catholic church is the power of God unto salvation.

There is power in the Gospel message and there is power in the Gospel. The reason that there is power in the Gospel message is because the Holy Spirit is present in the Gospel. It is the Holy Spirit that convicts people of their sins and brings them to Christ.

There is no power in the message of religion or in the preaching of the law. You can tell people that they must be predestinated to be saved and nothing will happen. You can preach Catholicism and nothing will happen. But when the Gospel is preached to sinners they come to Christ by the thousands, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

The day of Pentecost is a witness to the saving message of Jesus Christ. Here are thousands of unbelieving Jews, some of who had participated in the crucifixion of Christ, but when Peter stood up and presented the Gospel message to them in the power of the Holy Spirit they were convicted of their sins and their need for Jesus Christ. "Faith came by hearing and hearing by the word of God (the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

What happens when you tell some one about Calvinism? Nothing. What happens when you tell some one about Catholicism? Nothing. It is the Gospel message of Jesus Christ that can turn your life upside down. The preaching of the Gospel is what gave birth to the New Testament church.

To hear and reject the Gospel is to commit spiritual suicide, Acts 3:23.

When you preach Pateism, something happens...people scratch their heads and wonder who would ever believe such a mess.

jamie
March 15th, 2016, 07:45 AM
You teach salvation by works...


What do you mean by salvation? Salvation from what?

beloved57
March 15th, 2016, 07:53 AM
What do you mean by salvation? Salvation from what?
I have explained what I mean about salvation over a hundred times in my threads, why haven't you read that ?

Robert Pate
March 15th, 2016, 07:56 AM
When you preach Pateism, something happens...people scratch their heads and wonder who would ever believe such a mess.

There is nothing in the opening post about myself. Therefore it is not Pateism.

fishrovmen
March 15th, 2016, 07:57 AM
When you preach Pateism, something happens...people scratch their heads and wonder who would ever believe such a mess.

According to Pateism:
Jesus is the Savior of every person in the world, yet not everyone is saved.
The whole world is reconciled to God, yet not everyone is reconciled.
God sees the whole world in Christ, yet not everyone is in Christ.
The whole world was predestinated, yet no one was predestinated.
Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, yet those sins will magically reappear in the judgment, even though no one will be judged according to their sins.
The Bible is not a perfect book, yet there is nothing wrong with it.
Its all so clear!!

Robert Pate
March 15th, 2016, 08:02 AM
According to Pateism:
Jesus is the Savior of every person in the world, yet not everyone is saved.
The whole world is reconciled to God, yet not everyone is reconciled.
God sees the whole world in Christ, yet not everyone is in Christ.
The whole world was predestinated, yet no one was predestinated.
Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, yet those sins will magically reappear in the judgment, even though no one will be judged according to their sins.
The Bible is not a perfect book, yet there is nothing wrong with it.
Its all so clear!!

It is not possible for you to understand, 1 Corinthians 2:14.

fishrovmen
March 15th, 2016, 08:03 AM
There is nothing in the opening post about myself. Therefore it is not Pateism.

Sure there is, Pateism is a religion, even if only one person believes it or even understands it.

jamie
March 15th, 2016, 08:25 AM
I have explained what I mean about salvation over a hundred times in my threads, why haven't you read that ?


Paul taught, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age." (Titus 2:11-12)

I have not read where you say the grace of God brings salvation to all men.

Do you believe God makes salvation available to everyone?

fishrovmen
March 15th, 2016, 08:27 AM
Sure there is, Pateism is a religion, even if only one person believes it or even understands it.

Anyone who teaches that there are two atonements belongs on the TOL heretics list.
It doesnt matter if you believe Jesus makes the second atonement, or a human, it is blasphemy!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 08:30 AM
Sure there is, Pateism is a religion, even if only one person believes it or even understands it.

Is there such a thing as "Fishrovmenism?"

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 08:34 AM
I have explained what I mean about salvation over a hundred times in my threads, why haven't you read that ?

No one ought to be listening to you anyway. Why? Because you're an ultra hyper-Calvinist fanatic.

Robert Pate
March 15th, 2016, 12:14 PM
Is there such a thing as "Fishrovmenism?"

How would you lead any one to Christ without the Gospel?

Maybe you would just tell them that if they have not been predestinated they are going hell.

Robert Pate
March 15th, 2016, 12:19 PM
Anyone who teaches that there are two atonements belongs on the TOL heretics list.
It doesnt matter if you believe Jesus makes the second atonement, or a human, it is blasphemy!

And who teaches that there are two atonements?

beloved57
March 15th, 2016, 02:06 PM
Paul taught, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age." (Titus 2:11-12)

I have not read where you say the grace of God brings salvation to all men.

Do you believe God makes salvation available to everyone?
I don't have any dispute with Paul.

jamie
March 15th, 2016, 02:59 PM
I don't have any dispute with Paul.


Are you being honest?

beloved57
March 15th, 2016, 03:00 PM
Are you being honest?
Yes, you ?

jamie
March 15th, 2016, 03:02 PM
Yes, you ?


I believe everyone will have an opportunity for eternal life if they want it.

Is that what you believe?

beloved57
March 15th, 2016, 03:07 PM
I believe everyone will have an opportunity for eternal life if they want it.

Is that what you believe?
Invalid comment not in scripture.

jamie
March 15th, 2016, 03:12 PM
Invalid comment not in scripture.


Ok, so either you don't know the NT or you just don't believe it.

We're done. Fini.

beloved57
March 15th, 2016, 03:54 PM
Ok, so either you don't know the NT or you just don't believe it.

We're done. Fini.
I know you teach salvation by works, a damnable heresy!

Robert Pate
March 15th, 2016, 04:18 PM
I know you teach salvation by works, a damnable heresy!

Did you not chose Calvinism, which is a work?

Bright Raven
March 15th, 2016, 04:32 PM
Did you not chose Calvinism, which is a work?

Yes he did.

Robert Pate
March 15th, 2016, 04:37 PM
Yes he did.

Then he did something to be saved. A work, oh, oh, do you know what that means?