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meshak
March 12th, 2016, 08:51 PM
New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Psalm 72:7New King James Version (NKJV)
7
In His days the righteous shall flourish,
And abundance of peace,
Until the moon is no more.

Isaiah 2:4New King James Version (NKJV)

4
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 32:16-18New King James Version (NKJV)

The Peace of God’s Reign

16
Then justice will dwell in the wilderness,
And righteousness remain in the fruitful field.

17
The work of righteousness will be peace,
And the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever.

18
My people will dwell in a peaceful habitation,
In secure dwellings, and in quiet resting places,

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 08:53 PM
more to come:)

steko
March 12th, 2016, 08:57 PM
Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 09:04 PM
Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?

So you don't think it is for Jesus' followers?

Too bad for you, I trust it is for all Jesus' faithful followers.

Lord's Prayer:

"our Father, who art in heaven, hollowed be thy name, thy kingdom thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..."

It sure talks about our new earth. I am sure Jesus is working for His followers to inherit God's kingdom which include new earth.

patrick jane
March 12th, 2016, 09:14 PM
Meshak didn't come up with that OP, it's somebody else or it's copy/pasted

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 09:21 PM
Meshak didn't come up with that OP, it's somebody else or it's copy/pasted

Of course I copied and pasted from Bible gate way.

why do you make such childish comment?

Since when it is illegal to copy and paste Bible verses from the bible gateway?.

You seem to be jealous of my capable of showing what is in the bible.

If you think it is illegal, report it like a man.

I just reported you. You have been doing this kind of stuff many times. You need to stop it.

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 09:33 PM
I started this thread because not too many churchgoers know what they are aiming for as Jesus' followers.

patrick jane
March 12th, 2016, 09:35 PM
Of course I copied and pasted from Bible gate way.

why do you make such childish comment?

Since when it is illegal to copy and paste Bible verses from the bible gateway?.

Whoa, calm down now.
You seem to be jealous of my capable of showing what is in the bible.

If you think it is illegal, report it like a man.

I just reported you. You have been doing this kind of stuff many times. You need to stop it.

Whoa, calm down now.

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 09:40 PM
Whoa, calm down now.

sorry, I already reported your stupid and envious comment.

You cannot hit and run, dude.

glorydaz
March 12th, 2016, 09:46 PM
Meshak didn't come up with that OP, it's somebody else or it's copy/pasted


PJ, your desire to be the "Reporter in Chief" has caused you to lose your mind. :chuckle:

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 09:55 PM
Everyone,

God and Jesus have a peaceful and loving earth for faithful ones who strive to be peaceful and loving, by reading and Jesus' word and practice it.

blessings.

patrick jane
March 12th, 2016, 10:08 PM
sorry, I already reported your stupid and envious comment.

You cannot hit and run, dude.
Hey dude, I was right wasn't I. List your sources

patrick jane
March 12th, 2016, 10:09 PM
PJ, your desire to be the "Reporter in Chief" has caused you to lose you mind. :chuckle:
:chuckle:

glorydaz
March 12th, 2016, 10:21 PM
PJ, your desire to be the "Reporter in Chief" has caused you to lose your mind. :chuckle:

Meshak reports me for sticking up for her. :rotfl:

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 10:23 PM
New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Psalm 72:7New King James Version (NKJV)
7
In His days the righteous shall flourish,
And abundance of peace,
Until the moon is no more.

Isaiah 2:4New King James Version (NKJV)

4
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 32:16-18New King James Version (NKJV)

The Peace of God’s Reign

16
Then justice will dwell in the wilderness,
And righteousness remain in the fruitful field.

17
The work of righteousness will be peace,
And the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever.

18
My people will dwell in a peaceful habitation,
In secure dwellings, and in quiet resting places,

this is wonderful prophesy for Jesus' followers.

Ben Masada
March 12th, 2016, 10:25 PM
Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?

That's a good question for Christians because they are the ones who do exactly that. The name is Replacement Theology.

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 10:27 PM
That's a good question for Christians because they are the ones who do exactly that. The name is Replacement
Theology.

So you don't want Jesus' followers to inherit God's kingdom.

You cannot stop God's plan for His people, dude.

meshak
March 12th, 2016, 10:32 PM
It is amazing.

No one seems to be happy about this wonderful promise.

just wow.

jamie
March 12th, 2016, 11:29 PM
That's a good question for Christians because they are the ones who do exactly that. The name is Replacement Theology.


The kingdom of God does not replace Israel, on the contrary, God's kingdom will supervise Israel.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 06:32 AM
Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?

this thread is about God's kingdom on earth, friend.

You don't recognize it.

What is God's kingdom on earth to you?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 06:57 AM
I started this thread because not too many churchgoers know what they are aiming for as Jesus' followers.

I'm surprised your brain can tell your right foot to take a step after your left?
:confused:

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:00 AM
Meshak is going on a "Reporting rampage."

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:05 AM
Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?

Because she's Meshak, that's why.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:08 AM
Hey Meshak, you do realize that Jesus will sit on the throne of David, right? Furthermore, the House of Israel was being preached the "Kingdom Message."

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:09 AM
Ever hear of the Millennial Kingdom Meshak?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:10 AM
Satan will be bound for a thousand years at that time.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:11 AM
Are you in the Body of Christ Meshak?

lifeisgood
March 13th, 2016, 07:15 AM
Satan will be bound for a thousand years at that time.

Not according to Tet. :rotfl:

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:17 AM
Not according to Tet. :rotfl:

TeTs a nut.

lifeisgood
March 13th, 2016, 07:20 AM
Are you in the Body of Christ Meshak?

I said hurray to meshak when she said she was going to stop evangelizing.
She said that evangelizing is telling the unsaved to go read M,M,L,J and they will know.
She promised she was going to stop evangelizing.
I am not holding my breath though.

I like meshak, I just wish she would take the time to masticate the word of God before she preaches it, but I guess that is wishful thinking.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:25 AM
I said hurray to meshak when she said she was going to stop evangelizing.
She said that evangelizing is telling the unsaved to go read M,M,L,J and they will know.
She promised she was going to stop evangelizing.
I am not holding my breath though.

I like meshak, I just wish she would take the time to masticate the word of God before she preaches it, but I guess that is wishful thinking.

She has somehow managed to brainwash herself. Believe me, when I tell you, the inside of her skull is now squeaky clean.

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 07:26 AM
[QUOTE=meshak;4648236]New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

This is the land of Israel during the thousand year reign

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

after the thousand years

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

after the thousand years

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

How vital it is to determine what true righteousness is, shackles fights against the righteousness of God and seeks to establish her own, she has a shock coming.

She thinks she can fight against God, hate His gospel, despise His kingdom the church and then wake up dead and find herself an inheritor of the kingdom she has fought against

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

[B]34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Nothing so PROVES that shackles is a servant of the devil than this scripture, she LOATHES the church of God, she HATES the true gospel and she despises Christ's true disciples

Grosnick Marowbe
March 13th, 2016, 07:28 AM
[QUOTE=meshak;4648236]New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

This is the land of Israel during the thousand year reign

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

after the thousand years

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

after the thousand years

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

How vital it is to determine what true righteousness is, shackles fights against the righteousness of God and seeks to establish her own, she has a shock coming.

She thinks she can fight against God, hate His kingdom, despise His kingdom the church and then wake up dead and find herself an inheritor of the kingdom she has fought against

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

[B]34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Nothing so PROVES that shackles is a servant of the devil than this scripture, she LOATHES the church of God, she HATES the true gospel and she despises Christ's true disciples

Good post.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 12:04 PM
[QUOTE=meshak;4648236]New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

This is the land of Israel during the thousand year reign

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

after the thousand years

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

after the thousand years

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

How vital it is to determine what true righteousness is, shackles fights against the righteousness of God and seeks to establish her own, she has a shock coming.

She thinks she can fight against God, hate His gospel, despise His kingdom the church and then wake up dead and find herself an inheritor of the kingdom she has fought against

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

[B]34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Nothing so PROVES that shackles is a servant of the devil than this scripture, she LOATHES the church of God, she HATES the true gospel and she despises Christ's true disciples



Your verses don't disapprove of God's kingdom for Jesus' followers.
what is your point?

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 12:05 PM
It is just amazing how so called true and saved Christians try so hard to disapprove Jesus' followers to inherit God's kingdom.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 12:10 PM
New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Psalm 72:7New King James Version (NKJV)
7
In His days the righteous shall flourish,
And abundance of peace,
Until the moon is no more.

Isaiah 2:4New King James Version (NKJV)

4
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 32:16-18New King James Version (NKJV)

The Peace of God’s Reign

16
Then justice will dwell in the wilderness,
And righteousness remain in the fruitful field.

17
The work of righteousness will be peace,
And the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever.

18
My people will dwell in a peaceful habitation,
In secure dwellings, and in quiet resting places,

Everyone, this is prophesy about Jesus' followers' future, second life.

Haleluyah

lifeisgood
March 13th, 2016, 12:17 PM
Meshak is going on a "Reporting rampage."

Yes, she is. I wonder why. :think:

Tambora
March 13th, 2016, 02:22 PM
It is just amazing how so called true and saved Christians try so hard to disapprove Jesus' followers to inherit God's kingdom.It is amazing how some have perfect trust in God's promises when it comes to the BOC, but have no trust in God's promises when it comes to Israel.

Tambora
March 13th, 2016, 02:27 PM
Meshak is going on a "Reporting rampage."

Yes, she is. I wonder why. :think:Because she feels like doing it.

Mods here used to pass out infractions for those that make frivolous reports.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 02:27 PM
It is amazing how some have perfect trust in God's promises when it comes to the BOC, but have no trust in God's promises when it comes to Israel.



What does your comment have anything to do with His followers inherit God's kingdom?

Tambora
March 13th, 2016, 02:32 PM
What does your comment have anything to do with His followers inherit God's kingdom?That God will perform His oaths to Israel because God does not go back on His word.

Whether or not you believe God will be faithful to his promises to Israel has no bearing on what will happen.
It will happen because God said so, not whether you believe it or not.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 02:33 PM
That God will perform His oaths to Israel.

so his followers will not inherit God's kingdom according to you?

Tambora
March 13th, 2016, 02:38 PM
so his followers will not inherit God's kingdom according to you?Will Israel not inherit God's kingdom according to you?

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 02:41 PM
Will Israel not inherit God's kingdom according to you?

all faithful ones inherit God's kingdom. It is not my word. It is in the Bible.

so now answer my question.

thanks.

Ktoyou
March 13th, 2016, 02:48 PM
all faithful ones inherit God's kingdom. It is not my word. It is in the Bible.

so now answer my question.

thanks.
Oh My! Which one? heaven or earth?

Crucible
March 13th, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jesus' followers' hope and goal: peaceful new earth.

I invite you all to open your Bibles, and turn to the last book. It's called 'Revelation'.
It's about a little something known as

THE APOCALYPSE

Just in case you were utterly oblivious of it's existence :rolleyes:

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 03:11 PM
Oh My! Which one? heaven or earth?

on earth:)

thanks for your question:)

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 03:12 PM
I invite you all to open your Bibles, and turn to the last book. It's called 'Revelation'.
It's about a little something known as

THE APOCALYPSE

Just in case you were utterly oblivious of it's existence :rolleyes:

So you don't think bible teaches His followers wont inherit God's kingdom?

Crucible
March 13th, 2016, 03:14 PM
So you don't think bible teaches His followers wont inherit God's kingdom?

Didn't read the OP; just assumed this was about Christians, on their own volition, making peace on Earth.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 03:17 PM
Didn't read the OP; just assumed this was about Christians, on their own volition, making peace on Earth.

Please read the OP.

thanks.

Ktoyou
March 13th, 2016, 03:23 PM
on earth:)

thanks for your question:)
Oh OK> Just so you know, I'm done with earth when I am dead.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 03:26 PM
Oh OK> Just so you know, I'm done with earth when I am dead.

Please read the OP. Saved ones will inhabit on loving and peaceful earth.

I don't know about you but it is wonderful hope to me.

Halleluiah.

jamie
March 13th, 2016, 03:47 PM
Oh OK> Just so you know, I'm done with earth when I am dead.


Why do you believe that?

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 04:14 PM
[QUOTE=Totton Linnet;4648536]



Your verses don't disapprove of God's kingdom for Jesus' followers.
what is your point?

It proves that you are the enemy of God.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 04:16 PM
[QUOTE=meshak;4648676]

It proves that you are the enemy of God.

Ok, have a nice day.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 04:18 PM
[QUOTE=meshak;4648676]

It proves that you are the enemy of God.

and I am so glad you are not my Lord.

Your judgment means nothing to me.

Ktoyou
March 13th, 2016, 04:20 PM
Why do you believe that?

I believe our reward is in heaven

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 04:20 PM
[QUOTE=Totton Linnet;4648852]

Ok, have a nice day.

You can't spend your waking hours sat on your hole pouring out words of hate against the followers of Christ and then expect to inherit with them

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 04:21 PM
[QUOTE=meshak;4648855]

You can't spend your waking hours sat on your hole pouring out words of hate against the followers of Christ and then expect to inherit with them

good day.

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 04:21 PM
I believe our reward is in heaven

Totally

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 04:22 PM
I believe our reward is in heaven

so who will reside in loving and peaceful earth that those OP is talking about?

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 04:24 PM
[QUOTE=Totton Linnet;4648859]

good day.

You were unable to name one Christian that you love, not one...yet you think you will inherit with them

Ktoyou
March 13th, 2016, 04:25 PM
so who will reside in loving and peaceful earth that those OP is talking about?

Those who are not of the Body of Christ.

Ktoyou
March 13th, 2016, 04:27 PM
Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?

You see, steko knows.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 04:29 PM
Those who are not of the Body of Christ.


Those unbelievers will inherit peaceful and loving earth?

wow, then there is no sense listening to Jesus, is there?

there is no sense honoring Jesus command of "go therefor, make disciples of all nations... teachings them to obey everything I have commanded you".

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 04:32 PM
Those unbelievers will inherit peaceful and loving earth?

wow, then there is no sense listening to Jesus, is there?

there is no sense honoring Jesus command of "go therefor, make disciples of all nations... teachings them to obey everything I have commanded you".

He commands you to love the brethren

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 04:36 PM
He commands you to love the brethren

Yes, He does.

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 04:39 PM
Yes, He does.

And you do not

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 04:42 PM
And you do not

I do not what?

You need to know you should not focus on people. No one is perfect and you can find all kind of fault in people. I am one of them.

this thread is not about me, dear.

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 04:48 PM
I do not what?

You need to know you should not focus on people. No one is perfect and you can find all kind of fault in people. I am one of them.

this thread is not about me, dear.

*
Yes it IS about you, it is ALWAYS about you.

In all your posts you criticize the church, the brethren of the Lord, I am responding.

You are now saying what we have always said about you...you preach one thing and do another, just like the Pharisees. You say WE must obey Jesu's commands even though YOU do not.

It is stinking hypocrisy.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 04:50 PM
*
Yes it IS about you, it is ALWAYS about you.

In all your posts you criticize the church, the brethren of the Lord, I am responding.

You are now saying what we have always said about you...you preach one thing and do another, just like the Pharisees. You say WE must obey Jesu's commands even though YOU do not.

It is stinking hypocrisy.

It is so meaningless to read and reply to you. You are filled with bitterness.

You are back to ignore.

good day.

Totton Linnet
March 13th, 2016, 04:56 PM
It is so meaningless to read and reply to you. You are filled with bitterness.

You are back to ignore.

good day.

You say we must obey Jesu's commands...but you do not obey His commands

He said you must be saved.....but you are not saved
He said ye must be born again....but you are not born again
He said you must love the brethren....but you do not love the brethren

Lazy afternoon
March 13th, 2016, 05:21 PM
It is so meaningless to read and reply to you. You are filled with bitterness.

You are back to ignore.

good day.

Yes,

Totton is spiritually sick, focusing on tearing people down, instead of dealing with the scripture.

LA

Lazy afternoon
March 13th, 2016, 05:27 PM
It is amazing how some have perfect trust in God's promises when it comes to the BOC, but have no trust in God's promises when it comes to Israel.

The overcomers are the mothers of Israel, so they all have a right to the name.

To separate Gods children back into Jew or gentile, is a denial of the work of Christ who has made both one IN Himself.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

LA

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 05:31 PM
The overcomers are the mothers of Israel, so they all have a right to the name.

Yes!

Ktoyou
March 13th, 2016, 05:40 PM
Those unbelievers will inherit peaceful and loving earth?

wow, then there is no sense listening to Jesus, is there?

there is no sense honoring Jesus command of "go therefor, make disciples of all nations... teachings them to obey everything I have commanded you".
I do not know why you assume there is no sense in following Jesus? He said his kingdom was not of this world.

The promise the the Israelite was kingdom on earth, to those who believed in Him, it is the kingdom of heaven. Those who denied Him must endure tribulation, then comes the reign of Christ on earth.

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 05:46 PM
The promise the the Israelite was kingdom on earth, to those who believed in Him, it is the kingdom of heaven. Those who denied Him must endure tribulation, then comes the reign of Christ on earth.

So what about loving and peaceful earth shows in OP verses?

Jesus says if you don't believe in Him you will perish. But you say non-believer live in loving and peaceful earth.

You don't make sense at all.

Please read OP all verses. It says they will reside in loving and peaceful earth eternally.

Jesus says non-believers will perish.

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 05:47 PM
Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?

Because Israel was God's organization to spread the truth to the whole world about His purposes for the earth and all of mankind. The promises made to them were associated with that fact. Those promises extended to the NEW organization of the Christian Church when Israel rejected YHWH's plan to redeem all of mankind with Jesus' sacrifice. The the Church was responsible for telling the world about what YHWH had planned and how we can ALL take advantage of Jesus' Redemption sacrifice. The promises for the new Earth weren't just for Israel!

God said to Abraham: "By means of your seed [offspring] ALL NATIONS OF THE EARTH will certainly bless themselves." (Genesis 22:18)

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 05:49 PM
Meshak didn't come up with that OP, it's somebody else or it's copy/pasted

Good grief...what difference does it make where the idea came from? It's a relevant topic for anyone and everyone.

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 05:53 PM
I started this thread because not too many churchgoers know what they are aiming for as Jesus' followers.

You are absolutely correct! Churchgoers are completely in the dark in most cases. They've bought lies, hook, line and sinker. I just hope some of these posts will help them to wake up.

"The earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea." (Isaiah 11:9)

Ktoyou
March 13th, 2016, 06:03 PM
So what about loving and peaceful earth shows in OP verses?

Jesus says if you don't believe in Him you will perish. But you say non-believer live in loving and peaceful earth.

You don't make sense at all.

Please read OP all verses. It says they will reside in loving and peaceful earth eternally.

Jesus says non-believers will perish.

Those who are of Israel and did not believe face tribulation, and then they come to believe, some of them will come to believe, will inherit the earth. Those who believed in Him, they are the Body of Christ and are ruptured to heaven.

There comes a new earth after the tribulation.

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 06:07 PM
The kingdom of God does not replace Israel, on the contrary, God's kingdom will supervise Israel.

I am wondering why most self-proclaimed Christians object to the idea of the Christian congregation REPLACING Israel as God's spokesman. Wouldn't it be the reasonable thing to do to replace the group that rejected the redemption plan, and choose another group to carry on the work? Can someone answer this?

"Jesus said to them [the chief priests and elders], 'Did you never read in the Scriptures, "The stone which the builders rejected, this became the chief cornerstone; this came about from the LORD, and it is marvelous in our eyes"? Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.'" (Matthew 21:42,43, NASB)

"After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, 'Brethren, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about [B]taking from among the GENTILES a people for His name.'" (Acts 15:13,14, NASB)

:carryon:

Lazy afternoon
March 13th, 2016, 06:18 PM
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

My kingdom is not of this world (age)

Christ's Kingdom is established in the next age on the earth.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

While our reward is in Heaven, Christ will bring it with Him to the earth--

Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Luk 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luk 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luk 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luk 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luk 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luk 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luk 19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luk 19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luk 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

The Lord taught truth by using money, but it was not about money.

LA

meshak
March 13th, 2016, 06:45 PM
Those who are of Israel and did not believe face tribulation, and then they come to believe, some of them will come to believe, will inherit the earth. Those who believed in Him, they are the Body of Christ and are ruptured to heaven.

There comes a new earth after the tribulation.

So you still dismiss the fact that those OP verses is not for Jesus' followers.

Ok, thanks.

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 07:01 PM
That God will perform His oaths to Israel because God does not go back on His word.

Whether or not you believe God will be faithful to his promises to Israel has no bearing on what will happen.
It will happen because God said so, not whether you believe it or not.

You're right....God does not go back on his word. And his word was that as long as Israel kept following him and honoring their promises to him, he would be with them. But he always warned them that if they rejected him and his commands, he would reject them. They didn't keep their end of the bargain, so he eventually rejected them as his own people to extol his great name.

Refresh your memories, please:

"If only they [Israel] would develop this heart of theirs to fear me [YHWH] and to keep all my commandments ALWAYS, in order that it might go well with them and their sons to time indefinite!....[Moses to Israel] 'And you people must take care to do just as Jehovah your God has commanded you. You must not turn to the right or to the left.'" (Deuteronomy 5:29,32)

"See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse: The blessing, if you listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, which I am commanding you today; and the curse, if you do not listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside from the way which I am commanding you today, by following other gods which you have not known." (Deuteronomy 11:26-28, NASB)

"'Did you [Judah and Jerusalem] not continually receive exhortation to OBEY my words?' declares the LORD....'And I kept sending to you all my servants the prophets, sending them again and again, saying: "Turn now every man from his EVIL WAY and amend your deeds, and do not go after other gods to worship them. Then you will dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your forefathers; but you have not inclined your ear or listened to me.'" (Jeremiah 35:13,15, NASB)

"For thus says the Lord GOD, 'I will also do with you as you have done, you who have despised the oath by BREAKING THE COVENANT.'" (Ezekiel 16:59, NASB)

"'And now, because you [Israel] have done all these things,' declares the LORD, 'and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear, and I called you but you did not answer, therefore, I will do to the house which is called by my name, in which you trust, and to the place which I gave you and your fathers....I will cast you out of my sight.'" (Jeremiah 7:13,14, NASB)


You can see clearly that it was Israel who broke the covenant and made the promises void. For you to deny this makes you an opponent of God and of Christ, for you are ignoring God's own words. After you understand this, you can go and teach your ministers the truth.

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 07:06 PM
Totally

Why? Adam was created to live on Earth forever. If he hadn't disobeyed, he'd still be here. There was no destination of heaven for him. Why do you think God plans to move everyone to heaven now?

jamie
March 13th, 2016, 07:07 PM
I am wondering why most self-proclaimed Christians object to the idea of the Christian congregation REPLACING Israel as God's spokesman.


Some people claim that the church has replaced Israel, but Paul stated, "God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew."

The church has not replaced Israel, it is Israel.

Christ's church (ekklesia) began with the Passover observance in Egypt and it is the church of the firstborn.

In Egypt the firstborn were in jeopardy of death but God gave a sign to protect them.

The Israelites were instructed to place blood of the lamb on the lintel and two doorposts. The blood formed a cross foreshadowing the Lamb of God.

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 07:09 PM
You see, steko knows.

No he doesn't. :nono:

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 07:18 PM
I do not know why you assume there is no sense in following Jesus? He said his kingdom was not of this world.

The promise the the Israelite was kingdom on earth, to those who believed in Him, it is the kingdom of heaven. Those who denied Him must endure tribulation, then comes the reign of Christ on earth.

Jesus' seat of government is not of the world....it will always be in heaven. But that government will rule THE EARTH, with all citizens of God's government living here. This is where God intended humans to live, and this is where we WILL live, forever. BTW, we will all go through the Great Tribulation. It is just that God's friends (and those who have no clue) will be protected through it, and we will not be harmed at Armageddon. The angel said to John that the "great crowd" comes out of the Great Tribulation. We all would have to have been IN it to come out of it.

You missed the whole reason that Jesus was sent first to Israel to preach about the Kingdom. He gave Israel the first opportunity to rule with him in heaven. The Jews were the first choice of God to be the co-rulers with Christ. They DECLINED the offer. So Israel is just like any other nation now. They will live here on Earth with all of us from other nations. Just the SPIRITUAL ISRAELITES will be in heaven with Christ---some of whom who were born Jews, and others who are of the Gentiles. It doesn't matter any more who is a Jew and who is not. (Galatians 3:28,29)

Ktoyou
March 13th, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jesus' seat of government is not of the world....it will always be in heaven. But that government will rule THE EARTH, with all citizens of God's government living here. This is where God intended humans to live, and this is where we WILL live, forever. BTW, we will all go through the Great Tribulation.

You do not know what you are talking about, goofball.

jamie
March 13th, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jesus' seat of government is not of the world....it will always be in heaven.


David's throne was never in heaven, it was on Mt. Zion which will be Jesus' seat of government.

KingdomRose
March 13th, 2016, 08:30 PM
David's throne REPRESENTED God's throne which has always been in heaven, and God's throne is NOW in heaven. Paul explained that the physical Jerusalem was like the son of Hagar, the servant girl, but the Jerusalem above is free and is the REAL Jerusalem.

"It is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; but the one by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of flesh, the other by the free woman through a promise. These things stand as a SYMBOLIC DRAMA; for these women mean two covenants, the one from Mount Sinai, which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Hagar. Now this Hagar means Sinai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem ABOVE is free, and she is our mother." (Galatians 4:22-26)

Have you not seen the references to HEAVENLY Mt. Zion in the Bible? (Revelation 14:1; Hebrews 12:22)

And where is Jesus today? He is where Paul said he was in his own day. Heavenly Mt. Zion. "You have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and myriads of angels." (Heb.12:22)

"For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a COPY of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us." (Heb.9:24)

jamie
March 13th, 2016, 09:03 PM
David's throne REPRESENTED God's throne which has always been in heaven, and God's throne is NOW in heaven.



To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
(Revelation 3:21

Lazy afternoon
March 13th, 2016, 10:45 PM
David's throne was never in heaven, it was on Mt. Zion which will be Jesus' seat of government.

Consider--

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Peter is telling them that Christ now sits on Davids Throne.

The Throne Christ now sits on is the same Throne He reigns from when the Kingdom of God reigns over the nations(left) after His return.

LA

steko
March 13th, 2016, 11:02 PM
No he doesn't. :nono:

:rotfl:

steko
March 13th, 2016, 11:13 PM
David's throne REPRESENTED God's throne which has always been in heaven, and God's throne is NOW in heaven. Paul explained that the physical Jerusalem was like the son of Hagar, the servant girl, but the Jerusalem above is free and is the REAL Jerusalem.

"It is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; but the one by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of flesh, the other by the free woman through a promise. These things stand as a SYMBOLIC DRAMA; for these women mean two covenants, the one from Mount Sinai, which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Hagar. Now this Hagar means Sinai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem ABOVE is free, and she is our mother." (Galatians 4:22-26)

Have you not seen the references to HEAVENLY Mt. Zion in the Bible? (Revelation 14:1; Hebrews 12:22)

And where is Jesus today? He is where Paul said he was in his own day. Heavenly Mt. Zion. "You have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and myriads of angels." (Heb.12:22)

"For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a COPY of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us." (Heb.9:24)

Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Psa 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

You believe GOD altered His promise to David.

I don't.

steko
March 13th, 2016, 11:20 PM
Because Israel was God's organization to spread the truth to the whole world about His purposes for the earth and all of mankind. The promises made to them were associated with that fact. Those promises extended to the NEW organization of the Christian Church when Israel rejected YHWH's plan to redeem all of mankind with Jesus' sacrifice. The the Church was responsible for telling the world about what YHWH had planned and how we can ALL take advantage of Jesus' Redemption sacrifice. The promises for the new Earth weren't just for Israel!

God said to Abraham: "By means of your seed [offspring] ALL NATIONS OF THE EARTH will certainly bless themselves." (Genesis 22:18)

Eze 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
Eze 36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
Eze 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Eze 36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
Eze 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Eze 36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
Eze 36:30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
Eze 36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
Eze 36:32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
Eze 36:33 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
Eze 36:34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
Eze 36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
Eze 36:36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.
Eze 36:37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.
Eze 36:38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

steko
March 13th, 2016, 11:31 PM
Last time I looked, the sun, the moon and the stars were still shining.

This is just one more of GOD's promises which Replacement Theologies don't believe:


Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

steko
March 13th, 2016, 11:57 PM
When the Lord returns and takes His glorious throne, the throne of David, then the nations will finally understand that the Lord does indeed set apart Israel for Himself.

Too bad so many of those who claim to be Christians don't presently understand it, as well.


Eze 37:28 And the heathen[nations] shall know that I the LORD do sanctify[set apart] Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 12:46 AM
I do not what?

You need to know you should not focus on people. No one is perfect and you can find all kind of fault in people. I am one of them.

this thread is not about me, dear.

Why don't you make up another thread about your hat?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 12:48 AM
You are absolutely correct! Churchgoers are completely in the dark in most cases. They've bought lies, hook, line and sinker. I just hope some of these posts will help them to wake up.



Did you get that idea from your "Watchtower Magazine?"

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 12:50 AM
KR is a "Jehovahs Witness" by the way. It's a living, breathing cult.

Ben Masada
March 14th, 2016, 12:51 AM
[quote]Paul explained that the physical Jerusalem was like the son of Hagar, the servant girl, but the Jerusalem above is free and is the REAL Jerusalem.

This is the introduction to the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. The truth of the matter is that the son of physical and spiritual Jerusalem are both represented by the son of the free woman Sara aka the Jews.

[quote]These things stand as a SYMBOLIC DRAMA; for these women mean two covenants, the one from Mount Sinai, which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Hagar. Now this Hagar means Sinai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem ABOVE is free, and she is our mother." (Galatians 4:22-26)

The son of the slave woman Hagah gave origin to the Muslims and Gentiles in general. Hagar did not mean "Sinai" but Arabia. Sinai meant the place where the Sinaitic Covenant was made with Israel aka the Jewish People. And the New Covenant which was made in Jerusalem with Israel and Judah belonged also to the House of Israel and the House of Judah. (Jer. 31:31)


Have you not seen the references to HEAVENLY Mt. Zion in the Bible? (Revelation 14:1; Hebrews 12:22)

Here, the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology was fully in process.


And where is Jesus today? He is where Paul said he was in his own day. Heavenly Mt. Zion. "You have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and myriads of angels." (Heb.12:22)

Today, Jesus is dead except for the gospel of Paul who fabricated the resurrection of Jesus if you read II Tim. 2:8.


"For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a COPY of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us." (Heb.9:24)

And from here, Paul gave origin to the Greek myth of the demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman.(Mat. 1:18) Now, please, if you intend to refute what I have said above, I ask at least for the discency to quote the evidences.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 12:54 AM
You do not know what you are talking about, goofball.

That's because she belongs to a cult and isn't a Christian.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 12:57 AM
Yes,

Totton is spiritually sick, focusing on tearing people down, instead of dealing with the scripture.

LA

Ah, you're a phoney baloney.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 01:00 AM
You say we must obey Jesu's commands...but you do not obey His commands

He said you must be saved.....but you are not saved
He said ye must be born again....but you are not born again
He said you must love the brethren....but you do not love the brethren

Yeah, Meshak has said, she doesn't know if she's saved? However, she's trying her best to earn her way to Heaven.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 01:07 AM
this thread is about God's kingdom on earth, friend.

You don't recognize it.

What is God's kingdom on earth to you?

Have nice day. blessings. You now on ignore. Thank you very little.

Totton Linnet
March 14th, 2016, 04:40 AM
When you say forever what authority are you quoting?

There was no promise to Adam of heaven, but there is to us. Jesus said "I go away to prepare a place for you and I will come and take you unto Myself that you might be where I am"

"In My Father's house are many mansions behold I go to prepare a place for you"

He didn't go to Jerusalem did He?

Again He says "blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven....blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth"

Don't kid yourself that you and shackles are meek.....you have fangs when it comes to the church.

So you count yourself OUT of heaven and you talk yourself out of inheriting the earth.

Totton Linnet
March 14th, 2016, 04:56 AM
I am wondering why most self-proclaimed Christians object to the idea of the Christian congregation REPLACING Israel as God's spokesman. Wouldn't it be the reasonable thing to do to replace the group that rejected the redemption plan, and choose another group to carry on the work? Can someone answer this?

"Jesus said to them [the chief priests and elders], 'Did you never read in the Scriptures, "The stone which the builders rejected, this became the chief cornerstone; this came about from the LORD, and it is marvelous in our eyes"? Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.'" (Matthew 21:42,43, NASB)

"After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, 'Brethren, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about [B]taking from among the GENTILES a people for His name.'" (Acts 15:13,14, NASB)

:carryon:

What if it is God who proclaims us His children? Did the Christian congregation replace Israel? as His spokesman [YOU say, I don't]

Did it?

Then why do you reject God's spokesman? for you reject the Christian congregation supposing the Jw's who arose barely 150 years ago to be the only true congregation.

The Jews did NOT reject Jesus see, the Jewish leaders rejected Jesus and that is to who Christ said "the builders rejected etc" The ordinary folks received Him gladly, they flocked to Him.

After Pentecost they flocked back to the apostles, it was a MIGHTY assembly THIS is the Israel to who Paul teaches we are fellow citizens of their commonwealth and co-heirs and partakers of their promises.

The church has not replaced the natural branches we have been grafted in along with them to the olive....

....and those who were grafted out will be grafted back in. The earthly kingdom you talk so much about is THEIRS. So you evil speak the church and so forfeit the heavenly portion and you evil speak the Jews who are the earthly portion.

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 05:16 AM
Have nice day. blessings. You now on ignore. Thank you very little.


Yes, you are the same kind as TL.

You have no idea what God and Jesus are all about.

good day.

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 05:38 AM
It is amazing why so many Christians dismiss or disregard those wonderful prophesy.

It is no wonder why most churches endorse joining the military and get involved with the politics.

jamie
March 14th, 2016, 08:18 AM
The Throne Christ now sits on is the same Throne He reigns from when the Kingdom of God reigns over the nations(left) after His return.


Do you intentionally contradict scripture or do you just not understand?


And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16)

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 08:37 AM
Yes, you are the same kind as TL.

You have no idea what God and Jesus are all about.

good day.

Thank you. Have nice day. blessings. You really on ignore for one hour and fifteen minutes, starting now.

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 01:20 PM
My friend gave me his perspective about whole this. And I have been thinking about it.

I believe there is going to be new heaven and new earth like bible says.

but it really does not matter where we end up.

What matter is that His followers will have loving and peaceful earth and heaven. This is what we need to evangelize to the world.

blessings.

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 01:42 PM
I will be just happy being in loving and peaceful earth.

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 01:53 PM
HI Meshak,

I'll weigh in on this,

I understand the point your trying to make about these prophesies and promises of God. To look at them and entertain that they might be ours some day is a Joyful topic. I don't know why people don't understand that, "all the promises of God are ye in Him."

With that said, today, all those prophesies and promises are the furthest thing from my mind. Example, when a football player is in the heat of the moment, playing, running, blocking, tackling, is he thinking about the things he will acquire a year from now, even though they are his? No, it's not time for that thinking as he's playing or being a football player. Same as we being called out to follow Christ. What matters and what we should be thinking about is the "playing", or the "being" a Christian. What is that? A continual state of surrender to Him! If we are in that state of a continual surrender, we won't think of getting anything in return. Example, if you were on a battle field and the enemy has his foot on your throat, and you make the decision to surrender your life to Him, you wouldn't say, "here are my terms of surrender, you don't have any rights at that point." True surrender "CAN"T" have any expectations of anything in return! Thats the hard part about Saving Faith or "pisteuo".

Of course the christian world today is "the vending machine jesus. Put in the coin and out comes the blessing.
Or the jesus on the street corner, hat in hand, begging for people to accept Him. Those are false paths, but very, very, popular.

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 01:59 PM
Thank you Faither for your perspective.

I understand what you are saying. But what do we say when we evangelize? Jesus commands us to tell to the world about God's kingdom.

We need to know what we are doing to evangelize.

Knowing what we are hoping for as Jesus' followers, it will be convincing to non-believers. At least they know why we are evangelizing.

blessings.

Totton Linnet
March 14th, 2016, 02:30 PM
Thank you Faither for your perspective.

I understand what you are saying. But what do we say when we evangelize? Jesus commands us to tell to the world about God's kingdom.

We need to know what we are doing to evangelize.

Knowing what we are hoping for as Jesus' followers, it will be convincing to non-believers. At least they know why we are evangelizing.

blessings.

You are not gathering you are scattering, you neither enter yourself and those who would enter you stop...just like the Pharisees

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 02:52 PM
Thank you Faither for your perspective.

I understand what you are saying. But what do we say when we evangelize? Jesus commands us to tell to the world about God's kingdom.

We need to know what we are doing to evangelize.

Knowing what we are hoping for as Jesus' followers, it will be convincing to non-believers. At least they know why we are evangelizing.

blessings.

I carry the message to others, because when i do, i feel Him flow through me. I never evangelized to get that feeling, i evangelized and the feeling was there. The problem is, when the feeling isn't there any more and his nature isn't as obvious, will we still carry His message. The message of Grace through Faith! What He did is Grace, what we do is Faithing or pisteuo.

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 02:56 PM
I carry the message to others, because when i do, i feel Him flow through me. I never evangelized to get that feeling, i evangelized and the feeling was there. The problem is, when the feeling isn't there any more and his nature isn't as obvious, will we still carry His message. The message of Grace through Faith! What He did is Grace, what we do is Faithing or pisteuo.

It is good that you have confidence when you evangelize. that's what we all should have without sound like arrogant.:)

heir
March 14th, 2016, 02:57 PM
Thank you Faither for your perspective.

I understand what you are saying. But what do we say when we evangelize? Jesus commands us to tell to the world about God's kingdom.

We need to know what we are doing to evangelize.

Knowing what we are hoping for as Jesus' followers, it will be convincing to non-believers. At least they know why we are evangelizing.

blessings.God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe (1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV). And that preaching is the cross, the power of God (1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV). It's time you believed it as all sufficient to save you (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 03:13 PM
It is good that you have confidence when you evangelize. that's what we all should have without sound like arrogant.:)

Do you know what Gods nature is when it comes out of a faither?

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 03:16 PM
Do you know what Gods nature is when it comes out of a faither?

I don't understand your question.

I believe God is love and this is the core messages through out the Bible both OT and NT.

that's why I trust God and Jesus because it is all about love.

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 03:55 PM
I don't understand your question.

I believe God is love and this is the core messages through out the Bible both OT and NT.

that's why I trust God and Jesus because it is all about love.

Let me rephrase. What comes out of a person specifically when the Holy Spirit resides in them? Love would be part of that nature of God i'm asking for.

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 04:19 PM
It might sound as if i'm pinning you down meshak, don't let that stop you from seeking after Him. I asked you the question so as to put the people who are condemning you in their places. No body knows the answer to that question, because everyone is stuck in the drawing of the Father phase of the journey. Until they surrender their lives to Jesus, they will always be stuck there with the other 99 percent of the christians today. No Spirit of Christ, no Christ, no Word of God, it's not theres to talk about.

Thats one of those questions that is hard to find Scripture for the answer, but everyone should know the answer to

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 04:28 PM
Let me rephrase. What comes out of a person specifically when the Holy Spirit resides in them? Love would be part of that nature of God i'm asking for.

Yes, definitely because God is love.

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 04:30 PM
It might sound as if i'm pinning you down meshak, don't let that stop you from seeking after Him. I asked you the question so as to put the people who are condemning you in their places. No body knows the answer to that question, because everyone is stuck in the drawing of the Father phase of the journey. Until they surrender their lives to Jesus, they will always be stuck there with the other 99 percent of the christians today. No Spirit of Christ, no Christ, no Word of God, it's not theres to talk about.

Thats one of those questions that is hard to find Scripture for the answer, but everyone should know the answer to

Yes, we need to pursue God's love.

Christianity is all about God and Jesus' love.

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 04:47 PM
Yes, we need to pursue God's love.

Christianity is all about God and Jesus' love.

Okay, i agree. God is Love, and thank God He does Love us. But God isn't God because he's Love. God is God, because no one can take Him out. He has all the Power. Setting that aside, how do we access that Love?

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 04:52 PM
Okay, i agree. God is Love, and thank God He does Love us. But God isn't God because he's Love. God is God, because no one can take Him out. He has all the Power. Setting that aside, how do we access that Love?

I am sorry faither, I am simple Christian and I don't try to make complicate my faith in God and Jesus.

Knowing God and Jesus are love is good enough for me to keep me perspective in my faith.

You will find all kinds of fault with my faith if you try to scrutinize everything what I say.

john w
March 14th, 2016, 04:57 PM
I am sorry faither, ...........for wearing this stupid hat.

Good day to you, sir.

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 05:23 PM
I am sorry faither, I am simple Christian and I don't try to make complicate my faith in God and Jesus.

Knowing God and Jesus are love is good enough for me to keep me perspective in my faith.

You will find all kinds of fault with my faith if you try to scrutinize everything what I say.

Theres no such thing as a simple Chritian. There are courageous Christians, i recognized that in you being the beating post for all these other kinds.

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 05:27 PM
I am sorry faither, I am simple Christian and I don't try to make complicate my faith in God and Jesus.

Knowing God and Jesus are love is good enough for me to keep me perspective in my faith.

You will find all kinds of fault with my faith if you try to scrutinize everything what I say.

I can find all the faults i need right here. it's that special something that i look for. A desire, a humbleness, an aching to know Him better, know matter what i have to do or look like. Thats hard to find!

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 05:36 PM
I can find all the faults i need right here. it's that special something that i look for. A desire, a humbleness, an aching to know Him better, know matter what i have to do or look like. Thats hard to find!

so are you saying I don't have desire of humbleness?

maybe so. I know I am not humble enough to satisfy God and Jesus. I am doing my best I can. But I know God is merciful too. that's what I am relying on very much.

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 06:01 PM
so are you saying I don't have desire of humbleness?

maybe so. I know I am not humble enough to satisfy God and Jesus. I am doing my best I can. But I know God is merciful too. that's what I am relying on very much.

Meshak, i think your so used to being beat on all the time by people in here, you don't know a compliment when it comes.

meshak
March 14th, 2016, 06:08 PM
Meshak, i think your so used to being beat on all the time by people in here, you don't know a compliment when it comes.

You are right, most I hear is sarcasm.

I am sorry if I mistook you.

right now, I was just told I am not saved. And this is not new but this is coming from I thought he was humble Christian enough to not to make judgment on others who are saved or not.

steko
March 14th, 2016, 06:15 PM
:think:

Faither
March 14th, 2016, 06:28 PM
You are right, most I hear is sarcasm.

I am sorry if I mistook you.

right now, I was just told I am not saved. And this is not new but this is coming from I thought he was humble Christian enough to not to make judgment on others who are saved or not.

No one is saved. We are always being saved, everyone is just at different parts of the journey. Theres no destination, its a continuous process. Try and listen to what God might be saying to you through those you know in your heart have something you are attracted to.

IMO, you have that special desire, to know Christ better. But to do that we have to stay teachable.

Tambora
March 14th, 2016, 07:35 PM
Theres no such thing as a simple Chritian. There are courageous Christians, i recognized that in you being the beating post for all these other kinds.Oh good grief.

Lazy afternoon
March 14th, 2016, 07:48 PM
Do you intentionally contradict scripture or do you just not understand?


And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16)

When Christ returns to earth and sets up his Kingdom, He remains in the Heavenly Jerusalem where He now reigns from, because the Heavenly Jerusalem comes down with Him.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

LA

steko
March 14th, 2016, 08:05 PM
When Christ returns to earth and sets up his Kingdom, He remains in the Heavenly Jerusalem where He now reigns from, because the Heavenly Jerusalem comes down with Him.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

LA


GOD's unalterable promise to David:


Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Psa 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.



Confirming the unalterable promise to Mary by the angel Gabriel:


Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Scripture defining the throne of David:


2Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.

Tambora
March 14th, 2016, 08:15 PM
GOD's unalterable promise to David:


Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Psa 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.



Confirming the unalterable promise to Mary by the angel Gabriel:


Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Scripture defining the throne of David:


2Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.
And that's the truth!
:BRAVO:

Lazy afternoon
March 14th, 2016, 08:22 PM
GOD's unalterable promise to David:


Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Psa 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.



Confirming the unalterable promise to Mary by the angel Gabriel:


Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Scripture defining the throne of David:


2Sa 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.


Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

steko
March 14th, 2016, 08:33 PM
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

So....are you saying that these verses alter GOD's promise?

Why are you and others so anxious for GOD to alter His promise?


The verses you submitted do not alter what GOD promised but simply confirm the promise and you don't understand it.

You can't stand the idea that GOD will keep His promises to Israel and to David.

Lazy afternoon
March 14th, 2016, 08:41 PM
So....are you saying that these verses alter GOD's promise?

Why are you and others so anxious for GOD to alter His promise?


The verses you submitted do not alter what GOD promised but simply confirm the promise and you don't understand it.

You can't stand the idea that GOD will keep His promises to Israel and to David.

God often spoke of Christ when He spoke of David in the OT.

This is why Peter was setting them straight about that which you also need.

Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Psa 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.


Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

LA

steko
March 14th, 2016, 08:46 PM
God often spoke of Christ when He spoke of David in the OT.

This is why Peter was setting them straight about that which you also need.

Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Psa 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.


Eze 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

LA

Those verses also only confirm the same promise to David and His seed....Christ Jesus, who will sit on David's throne at His second coming to this earth.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 14th, 2016, 10:32 PM
Theres no such thing as a simple Chritian. There are courageous Christians, i recognized that in you being the beating post for all these other kinds.

You make her out to be some sort of "Martyr?" That's absurd. Here's what she believes:
1) The Apostle Paul is an anti-Christ.
2) Only Matthew through John is to be trusted by her.
3) She despises church goers.
4) She despises posters that believe in the Trinity.
5) She rejects the True Gospel for today.

If you agree with her beliefs, then you are just like her and lost.
Do you still believe she's a Martyr??

Lazy afternoon
March 15th, 2016, 12:20 AM
Those verses also only confirm the same promise to David and His seed....Christ Jesus, who will sit on David's throne at His second coming to this earth.

Christ was raised to sit at Gods right hand on His Throne.

What need is there that Christ would change Thrones to a lesser throne.

(while all the overcomers sit on His Fathers throne where He is now?)

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

LA

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 05:58 AM
You make her out to be some sort of "Martyr?" That's absurd. Here's what she believes:
1) The Apostle Paul is an anti-Christ.
2) Only Matthew through John is to be trusted by her.
3) She despises church goers.
4) She despises posters that believe in the Trinity.
5) She rejects the True Gospel for today.

If you agree with her beliefs, then you are just like her and lost.
Do you still believe she's a Martyr??

If we are being measured by the litmus test of our understandings, we'd all be lost. I could expose all your weaknesses just like you think you expose hers if thats what you think is important. I look for the desire in people to know Christ better. She fulfills that requirement.

It's easy to travel around these forums in "pacts" seeking out a destroying other understandings. But taking a continual beating alone, right or wrong is hard to do. She just needs what we all need, and thats to put Christ before our pride and be teachable.

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 08:02 AM
It's easy to travel around these forums in "pacts" seeking out a destroying other understandings. But taking a continual beating alone, right or wrong is hard to do. Oh good grief.
Get a clue.

steko
March 15th, 2016, 08:19 AM
Christ was raised to sit at Gods right hand on His Throne.

Contrary to what you say, the Scriptures say that Christ was raised to sit on David's throne.

Although, He is presently seated in His Father's throne, He will return to take His glorious throne, the throne of His father David.



What need is there that Christ would change Thrones to a lesser throne.

You are arguing against GOD.

He laughs at you Psa 2:4




(while all the overcomers sit on His Fathers throne where He is now?)

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

LA

The Lord refers to two thrones in Rev 3:21, one is the Father's throne in which Christ is now seated, and the other is Christ's future throne in which overcomers will be granted to sit.

Christ takes His glorious throne, the throne of David, at His second coming to earth.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

steko
March 15th, 2016, 08:29 AM
Oh good grief.
Get a clue.

It always amazes me when a newcomer comes on the scene and makes a hasty assessment of the appearance of the situation, without any knowledge of the long history which has brought relationships to their present condition, and then, presumptuously, proceeds to imagine they are going to now straighten everybody out, from their superior wisdom and lofty perch.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 08:44 AM
It always amazes me when a newcomer comes on the scene and makes a hasty assessment of the appearance of the situation, without any knowledge of the long history which has brought relationships to their present condition, and then, presumptuously, proceeds to imagine they are going to now straighten everybody out, from their superior wisdom and lofty perch.

Hopefully, they'll get over themselves soon? They think they are all knowing. However, they are as ignorant as can be.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 08:53 AM
If we are being measured by the litmus test of our understandings, we'd all be lost. I could expose all your weaknesses just like you think you expose hers if thats what you think is important. I look for the desire in people to know Christ better. She fulfills that requirement.

It's easy to travel around these forums in "pacts" seeking out a destroying other understandings. But taking a continual beating alone, right or wrong is hard to do. She just needs what we all need, and thats to put Christ before our pride and be teachable.

You speak out of ignorance. You don't know me. Are you saying you KNOW all of my weaknesses? That's kind of presumptuous of you, don't you think? You're a newbie on TOL and you think you know everything about everybody? You certainly think highly of yourself, don't ya?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 08:56 AM
Hey Faither, if ya can't take the heat, get outta Dodge partner.

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 08:56 AM
It always amazes me when a newcomer comes on the scene and makes a hasty assessment of the appearance of the situation, without any knowledge of the long history which has brought relationships to their present condition, and then, presumptuously, proceeds to imagine they are going to now straighten everybody out, from their superior wisdom and lofty perch.Meshak has the martyr syndrome and Faither has the savior syndrome.
And neither have understanding of what's going on.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 08:57 AM
Looks like he's bound and determined to give us all a "what for?"

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 08:58 AM
Meshak has the martyr syndrome and Faither has the savior syndrome.
And neither have understanding of what's going on.

They're both stumbling around in the dark.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 09:00 AM
Faither, your empathy is misplaced.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 09:03 AM
Faither, when Meshak tells you to have a nice day, and adds; blessings, that means she's about to place you on ignore. Wait and see.

meshak
March 15th, 2016, 09:22 AM
Meshak has the martyr syndrome and Faither has the savior syndrome.
And neither have understanding of what's going on.

Brilliant analysis and observation.

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 09:28 AM
Brilliant analysis and observation.I know.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 09:29 AM
Faither, when Meshak tells you to have a nice day, and adds; blessings, that means she's about to place you on ignore. Wait and see.

You guys sound like a bunch of school kids.

I came in here to share my understandings with this community in hopes of learning something. But when i put my understandings out there, i'm met with name calling and misrepresentation. Why would you call yourselves "theology on line" if you don't have any theology to offer? I take my understandings serious and always have for 30 years. It's not right for you to advertise a product you can't deliver. And why can't you guys communicate with meshak in a way that would be beneficial to both of you. I think we can all agree on the fact we are all being drawn by the Father, so why are you beating up on each other?

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 09:31 AM
Meshak has the martyr syndrome and Faither has the savior syndrome.
And neither have understanding of what's going on.

See! You talking in complete sentences now. I'm having a positive impact on you already. LOL

steko
March 15th, 2016, 09:39 AM
And why can't you guys communicate with meshak in a way that would be beneficial to both of you.


Try it....we all did.

See how far it goes!

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 09:45 AM
See! You talking in complete sentences now. I'm having a positive impact on you already. LOLWho are you?
:idunno:

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 09:48 AM
You guys sound like a bunch of school kids.

I came in here to share my understandings with this community in hopes of learning something. But when i put my understandings out there, i'm met with name calling and misrepresentation. Why would you call yourselves "theology on line" if you don't have any theology to offer? I take my understandings serious and always have for 30 years. It's not right for you to advertise a product you can't deliver. And why can't you guys communicate with meshak in a way that would be beneficial to both of you. I think we can all agree on the fact we are all being drawn by the Father, so why are you beating up on each other?

Thank you for your amazing self-righteousness. How do you do it? You should be writing speeches. I don't think you're TOL material.

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 09:49 AM
And why can't you guys communicate with meshak in a way that would be beneficial to both of you?You mean like this .....




You guys sound like a bunch of school kids.

I came in here to share my understandings with this community in hopes of learning something. But when i put my understandings out there, i'm met with name calling and misrepresentation. Why would you call yourselves "theology on line" if you don't have any theology to offer? I take my understandings serious and always have for 30 years. It's not right for you to advertise a product you can't deliver. And why can't you guys communicate with meshak in a way that would be beneficial to both of you. I think we can all agree on the fact we are all being drawn by the Father, so why are you beating up on each other?

Get a clue.

john w
March 15th, 2016, 09:49 AM
And why can't you guys communicate with meshak in a way that would be beneficial to both of you. I think we can all agree on the fact we are all being drawn by the Father, so why are you beating up on each other?

We don't hold hands with wolves/wolf-ette's, and, like communists, we certainly do not negotiate with them. Why do you? You allow wolves/wolf-ette's/predators to roam your neighborhood? You live in Carson City, Nevada, from 150 years ago, do you, Hoss?

Are you diggin' me?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 09:50 AM
Who are you?
:idunno:

He's a guy who likes to smart off to TOL posters and defend Meshak at the same time.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 09:54 AM
Faither, if your sensitivities can't handle the stress, why not try a nice calm forum where you'll feel comfortable?

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 09:56 AM
Try it....we all did.

See how far it goes!

So are you saying you all gave up on her? Why didn't you go back to a place of agreement and start again?

john w
March 15th, 2016, 09:56 AM
You guys sound like a bunch of school kids.

I came in here to share my understandings with this community in hopes of learning something. But when i put my understandings out there, i'm met with name calling and misrepresentation. Why would you call yourselves "theology on line" if you don't have any theology to offer? I take my understandings serious and always have for 30 years. It's not right for you to advertise a product you can't deliver. And why can't you guys communicate with meshak in a way that would be beneficial to both of you. I think we can all agree on the fact we are all being drawn by the Father, so why are you beating up on each other?
"You guys sound like a bunch of school kids."-Faither does not know best

vs.

"I came in here to share my understandings with this community in hopes of learning something. But when i put my understandings out there, i'm met with name calling "-Faither does not know best


Got it. Thanks for checkin' in, and correcting us bunch of school kids, which is not name calling.


Faither's "class" is dismissed. Have a seat, kid.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 09:58 AM
Faither thinks we're too harsh on him and poor Meshak.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 09:58 AM
Faither, if your sensitivities can't handle the stress, why not try a nice calm forum where you'll feel comfortable?


Now i'm not welcome here?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 09:59 AM
So are you saying you all gave up on her? Why didn't you go back to a place of agreement and start again?

We're gonna leave that to you.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 10:00 AM
Now i'm not welcome here?

I'm just thinking of your emotional welfare. You have the right to stay. However, you're gonna need to grow a stronger backbone and thicker skin.

steko
March 15th, 2016, 10:01 AM
So are you saying you all gave up on her?

Only speaking for myself....nope.



Why didn't you go back to a place of agreement and start again?


Again...try it.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 10:09 AM
I'm just thinking of your emotional welfare. You have the right to stay, however, you're gonna need to grow a stronger backbone and a thicker skin.

Is that what i need to witness about Jesus?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 10:16 AM
Is that what i need to witness about Jesus?

What church or denomination are you affiliated with?

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 10:24 AM
What church or denomination are you affiliated with?

That question never makes sense to me because i am the church.

Ive been taught by Dr. Gene Scott for 30 years.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 10:40 AM
That question never makes sense to me because i am the church.

Ive been taught by Dr. Gene Scott for 30 years.

He was a very angry guy and an eccentric.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 10:51 AM
He was a very angry guy and an eccentric.

Did you know him?

Or is that what you've read about him?

john w
March 15th, 2016, 12:31 PM
That question never makes sense to me because i am the church.

Ive been taught by Dr. Gene Scott for 30 years.

I dug his cigars.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 12:33 PM
Did you know him?

Or is that what you've read about him?

Used to watch him for years, starting in the 70s. He was very entertaining. Quite a character. Remember his "Monkey band?"

john w
March 15th, 2016, 12:44 PM
Used to watch him for years, starting in the 70s. He was very entertaining. Quite a character. Remember his "Monkey band?"

I heard that he was an expert in "Shuffle Board," like you, pops!

meshak
March 15th, 2016, 01:36 PM
New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Psalm 72:7New King James Version (NKJV)
7
In His days the righteous shall flourish,
And abundance of peace,
Until the moon is no more.

Isaiah 2:4New King James Version (NKJV)

4
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 32:16-18New King James Version (NKJV)

The Peace of God’s Reign

16
Then justice will dwell in the wilderness,
And righteousness remain in the fruitful field.

17
The work of righteousness will be peace,
And the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever.

18
My people will dwell in a peaceful habitation,
In secure dwellings, and in quiet resting places,

Hallelujah, This is what Jesus' followers are looking forward to.

I don't know about you guys but I am so happy about it:)

Lazy afternoon
March 15th, 2016, 03:45 PM
Contrary to what you say, the Scriptures say that Christ was raised to sit on David's throne.

Although, He is presently seated in His Father's throne, He will return to take His glorious throne, the throne of His father David.



You are arguing against GOD.

He laughs at you Psa 2:4





The Lord refers to two thrones in Rev 3:21, one is the Father's throne in which Christ is now seated, and the other is Christ's future throne in which overcomers will be granted to sit.

Christ takes His glorious throne, the throne of David, at His second coming to earth.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:


no.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 03:49 PM
no.

Yes.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 04:15 PM
I heard that he was an expert in "Shuffle Board," like you, pops!

I could whoop him with one ear taped to the side of my head Sonny boy.

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 04:16 PM
I could whoop him with one ear taped to the side of my head Sonny boy.hehe!
Can I be on your team?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 04:19 PM
no.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

LA, are you still "trying" to convince posters that you know anything? It still ain't convincing anybody. Keep trying, though, some day you may, "by accident" get something right?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 04:21 PM
hehe!
Can I be on your team?

You bet Tam.

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 04:22 PM
You bet Tam.Oh boy!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 04:24 PM
Hallelujah, This is what Jesus' followers are looking forward to.

I don't know about you guys but I am so happy about it:)

Per chance, are you a member of the House of Israel?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 04:26 PM
Did you know him?

Or is that what you've read about him?

I used to do a "right on" impression of him.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 04:33 PM
Meshak figures that negative attention about her is better than no attention.

steko
March 15th, 2016, 04:48 PM
I used to do a "right on" impression of him.

I was never impressed with him.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 15th, 2016, 04:55 PM
I was never impressed with him.

He supplied some good entertainment. Although, he was kind of a "Crackpot."

steko
March 15th, 2016, 05:05 PM
no.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

You skipped a step.

Those verses refer to the new heaven and earth which comes about after the white throne judgement and Christ's prophetic reign on this earth while Satan is bound for a thousand years.

During the time of the verses you submitted, Satan is in the lake of fire and not sealed in the bottomless pit as he is during Christ's reign from David's throne on this earth.

steko
March 15th, 2016, 05:08 PM
He supplied some good entertainment. Although, he was kind of a "Crackpot."

I watched him talk about the word 'of' for about six months.

Tambora
March 15th, 2016, 05:26 PM
Ive been taught by Dr. Gene Scott for 30 years.To qualify as a member of his church, the main requirement was a valid credit card.

john w
March 15th, 2016, 06:47 PM
I was never impressed with him.

I still dug those cigars, though...


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KingdomRose
March 15th, 2016, 07:30 PM
Some people claim that the church has replaced Israel, but Paul stated, "God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew."

The church has not replaced Israel, it is Israel.

Christ's church (ekklesia) began with the Passover observance in Egypt and it is the church of the firstborn.

In Egypt the firstborn were in jeopardy of death but God gave a sign to protect them.

The Israelites were instructed to place blood of the lamb on the lintel and two doorposts. The blood formed a cross foreshadowing the Lamb of God.

Have you read the verses I posted? I think they are better understood than what Paul said in Romans. What DID he say, anyway? That God has not cast away his people? Fine---He kept offering them a privileged position, but the nation as a whole REJECTED it! But SOME Israelites accepted the Messiah, and they would not be cast off. Isn't that what Paul meant?

Now read all the scriptures I posted, if you would be so kind. Then tell me what you think about replacement theology.

KingdomRose
March 15th, 2016, 07:51 PM
What if it is God who proclaims us His children? Did the Christian congregation replace Israel? as His spokesman [YOU say, I don't]

Did it?

Then why do you reject God's spokesman? for you reject the Christian congregation supposing the Jw's who arose barely 150 years ago to be the only true congregation.

The Jews did NOT reject Jesus see, the Jewish leaders rejected Jesus and that is to who Christ said "the builders rejected etc" The ordinary folks received Him gladly, they flocked to Him.

After Pentecost they flocked back to the apostles, it was a MIGHTY assembly THIS is the Israel to who Paul teaches we are fellow citizens of their commonwealth and co-heirs and partakers of their promises.

The church has not replaced the natural branches we have been grafted in along with them to the olive....

....and those who were grafted out will be grafted back in. The earthly kingdom you talk so much about is THEIRS. So you evil speak the church and so forfeit the heavenly portion and you evil speak the Jews who are the earthly portion.

YES the Christian congregation replaced Israel as God's spokesman. Did you read my carefully thought-out post about this? It would be nice if you would. The Jews as a nation did reject the Messiah. You don't know much about history do you?

I certainly am not rejecting God's spokesman. The true Christian church was overwhelmed (though not dead) by false Christianity for almost 2,000 years, as I have explained. The Scriptures show us that it would be IN THE LAST DAYS that people would get a true witness and come to understand the truth about God. Jehovah inspired Charles T. Russell to start up a movement that would give to the world the unadulterated truth. It is not a negative thing that this happened only 150 years ago. It was to be expected, by those not blinded by the false Christians.

Your strange view of the Jews being "the earthly portion" of the kingdom is unfathomable. Why believe that Jews who accept Christ now will not be part of the ruling class with Christ? They certainly ARE a part of that rule that will be administered during the Millennial Reign. And why would Jews who reject Christ now be allowed to sail through Armageddon? Don't you believe that all people who aren't believers in Christ will be destroyed at Armageddon? The Jews are RIGHT NOW receiving a witness. What more could they learn during the Great Tribulation? Your belief about that doesn't make sense.

It's not only the Jews who will be on the earth after Armageddon. It will be all of the people who ever lived and who come back in the Resurrection during the Thousand Years. BILLIONS of people. There will be many Jews coming back, like John the Baptist, even Joseph the foster father of Jesus. There will be many Jews in heaven ruling with Jesus, including Peter, John, all the Apostles, Mary, and thousands more. But it doesn't matter any more who is a Jew and who isn't.

Don't you read anything other than Romans about the subject? Paul said:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman...for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise." (Galatians 3:28,29, NASB)

You see---being a Jew does not mean anything any more. Or are you ignoring THAT because it doesn't agree with what your blind religion teachers are telling you?

KingdomRose
March 15th, 2016, 07:57 PM
You are not gathering you are scattering, you neither enter yourself and those who would enter you stop...just like the Pharisees

I'm sorry, lady, but that applies to you.

KingdomRose
March 15th, 2016, 07:59 PM
I carry the message to others, because when i do, i feel Him flow through me. I never evangelized to get that feeling, i evangelized and the feeling was there. The problem is, when the feeling isn't there any more and his nature isn't as obvious, will we still carry His message. The message of Grace through Faith! What He did is Grace, what we do is Faithing or pisteuo.

OK, Faither. Evangelize to me. What is your message? (Jesus said that the "Gospel" is about the Kingdom of God...Matt.24:14. Is that your focus?)

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 08:06 PM
OK, Faither. Evangelize to me. What is your message? (Jesus said that the "Gospel" is about the Kingdom of God...Matt.24:14. Is that your focus?)

Okay, how did you come to have a relationship with Christ?

KingdomRose
March 15th, 2016, 08:20 PM
When Christ returns to earth and sets up his Kingdom, He remains in the Heavenly Jerusalem where He now reigns from, because the Heavenly Jerusalem comes down with Him.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

LA

You just can't think beyond a thin veneer of substance! The New Jerusalem isn't even an actual city!! It is made up of Jesus and his co-rulers, his Bride. The city, if an actual city, and if it came down to earth, would reach out into space over 300 miles! Nothing about that city is literal!

And the rule of God and his Son Christ Jesus will REMAIN in heaven, as God's rule always has been. It's exactly like when He told Israel that He would live with them in ancient times! Did He actually come down to the earth and live here?

"And I shall indeed reside in the middle of the sons of Israel, and I shall not leave my people Israel." (I Kings 6:13)

He says He will live right in the middle of the people of Israel. Did He? Literally? NO! What that means is that He will be paying attention to them, and guiding them from His place in heaven.

Revelation 21:2,3 is talking about that same kind of "coming down to reside with" mankind.

And didn't Jesus say he would be "with" his disciples until the end of the age? (Matthew 28:20) But is he literally here? Or is he really still in heaven where the Bible says he is? (Hebrews 1:3)

KingdomRose
March 15th, 2016, 08:22 PM
You make her out to be some sort of "Martyr?" That's absurd. Here's what she believes:
1) The Apostle Paul is an anti-Christ.
2) Only Matthew through John is to be trusted by her.
3) She despises church goers.
4) She despises posters that believe in the Trinity.
5) She rejects the True Gospel for today.

If you agree with her beliefs, then you are just like her and lost.
Do you still believe she's a Martyr??

Sorry, Grosnick. You are the one who is rejecting the true Gospel.

KingdomRose
March 15th, 2016, 08:30 PM
Okay, how did you come to have a relationship with Christ?

I asked you for your message. If you went to people's houses like Jesus did, what would you say when the person answered the door?

meshak
March 15th, 2016, 08:35 PM
Everyone,

Jews do not get favoritism from Jesus. He does not care if you are Jews or gentiles. What He cares is if you honor His word and practice what He teaches.

Here is what He says:

John 8:39-44New King James Version (NKJV)

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 08:40 PM
I asked you for your message. If you went to people's houses like Jesus did, what would you say when the person answered the door?

Rom. 8:9, A foundational scripture that will tell me if the Word of God is yours to talk about. If we don't have the Spirit of Christ, Christ is none of ours. If Christ is none of ours, His word is none of ours also. Nothing personal. I won't talk to anyone about Christ in these forums unless i know they've met the requirement.

My message starts outside of Christ first, then if i'm lucky, you will prove to be one of the few in Him and we can talk about my message.

I need to know how you came to Christ? Not your entire story, just how you came to be in Christ.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 08:43 PM
Everyone,

Jews do not get favoritism from Jesus. He does not care if you are Jews or gentiles. What He care is if you honor His word and practice what He teaches.

Here is what He says:

John 8:39-44New King James Version (NKJV)

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Hi Meshak, i'm sorry if i seem to be derailing your thread, i don't mean to. If it's a problem just say so, i don't mind.

meshak
March 15th, 2016, 08:43 PM
Rom. 8:9, A foundational scripture that will tell me if the Word of God is yours to talk about. If we don't have the Spirit of Christ, Christ is none of ours. If Christ is none of ours, His word is none of ours also. Nothing personal. I won't talk to anyone about Christ in these forums unless i know they've met the requirement.

My message starts outside of Christ first, then if i'm lucky, you will prove to be one of the few in Him and we can talk about my message.

I need to know how you came to Christ? Not your entire story, just how you came to be in Christ.

Faither, evangelism is supposed to be to the world, non-believers.

meshak
March 15th, 2016, 08:45 PM
Hi Meshak, i'm sorry if i seem to be derailing your thread, i don't mean to. If it's a problem just say so, i don't mind.

I added this because some are claiming my op is for Jews not for gentiles.

meshak
March 15th, 2016, 08:47 PM
I am talking abut this post:


Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?

meshak
March 15th, 2016, 08:48 PM
OP verses are not just for Israel.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 09:02 PM
I am talking abut this post:
Why would one hijack the promises that GOD made to Israel and apply them to themselves?
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faithers reply,
Whoever wrote that post to you is misinformed. The word Israel means,"God governed". It's a people, but a people that belong to the Lord. And, all the promises of God are ye in Him.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 09:07 PM
Meshak,
You've been in here along time so i assume your familiar with dispensationalists? That understanding is straight out of their theology.

meshak
March 15th, 2016, 09:24 PM
Meshak,
You've been in here along time so i assume your familiar with dispensationalists? That understanding is straight out of their theology.


All I know is that they don't seem to honor Jesus' word much.

Some of them claim Jesus' word is just for Jews.

It is just absurd to me.

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 09:42 PM
All I know is that they don't seem to honor Jesus' word much.

Some of them claim Jesus' word is just for Jews.

It is just absurd to me.

I wouldn't worry about it to much. We all suffer from backwards understandings from time to time.

About 10 years ago i ran into a buzz saw called dispensationalism, so i had to learn what their understanding was. My instructor simply called it "context". The problem i found is they use "context" to not have to stand on certain things, My instructor called that agnostic..

Faither
March 15th, 2016, 09:45 PM
Rom. 8:9, A foundational scripture that will tell me if the Word of God is yours to talk about. If we don't have the Spirit of Christ, Christ is none of ours. If Christ is none of ours, His word is none of ours also. Nothing personal. I won't talk to anyone about Christ in these forums unless i know they've met the requirement.

My message starts outside of Christ first, then if i'm lucky, you will prove to be one of the few in Him and we can talk about my message.

I need to know how you came to Christ? Not your entire story, just how you came to be in Christ.

I hope you reply, i'm looking forward to a discussion with you kingdom rose.

Lazy afternoon
March 16th, 2016, 12:01 AM
You just can't think beyond a thin veneer of substance! The New Jerusalem isn't even an actual city!! It is made up of Jesus and his co-rulers, his Bride. The city, if an actual city, and if it came down to earth, would reach out into space over 300 miles! Nothing about that city is literal!

And the rule of God and his Son Christ Jesus will REMAIN in heaven, as God's rule always has been. It's exactly like when He told Israel that He would live with them in ancient times! Did He actually come down to the earth and live here?

"And I shall indeed reside in the middle of the sons of Israel, and I shall not leave my people Israel." (I Kings 6:13)

He says He will live right in the middle of the people of Israel. Did He? Literally? NO! What that means is that He will be paying attention to them, and guiding them from His place in heaven.

Revelation 21:2,3 is talking about that same kind of "coming down to reside with" mankind.

And didn't Jesus say he would be "with" his disciples until the end of the age? (Matthew 28:20) But is he literally here? Or is he really still in heaven where the Bible says he is? (Hebrews 1:3)

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Lazy afternoon
March 16th, 2016, 12:08 AM
You skipped a step.

Those verses refer to the new heaven and earth which comes about after the white throne judgement and Christ's prophetic reign on this earth while Satan is bound for a thousand years.

During the time of the verses you submitted, Satan is in the lake of fire and not sealed in the bottomless pit as he is during Christ's reign from David's throne on this earth.

No nations need healing after the white throne judgment when God is all in all.

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

KingdomRose
March 16th, 2016, 08:54 AM
Rom. 8:9, A foundational scripture that will tell me if the Word of God is yours to talk about. If we don't have the Spirit of Christ, Christ is none of ours. If Christ is none of ours, His word is none of ours also. Nothing personal. I won't talk to anyone about Christ in these forums unless i know they've met the requirement.

My message starts outside of Christ first, then if i'm lucky, you will prove to be one of the few in Him and we can talk about my message.

I need to know how you came to Christ? Not your entire story, just how you came to be in Christ.

What? How can anyone learn about Christ's message if you won't talk to them? Isn't that why Christ went from town to town, to seek out those that would listen? Did he talk to his own disciples all the time and ignore the people who hadn't come to him? You aren't following his example at all.

I happen to have come to Christ, but you may not agree. Regardless, any Christian should be willing to give the message to someone they think might be in darkness.

KingdomRose
March 16th, 2016, 08:56 AM
I added this because some are claiming my op is for Jews not for gentiles.

Isn't that ridiculous!

KingdomRose
March 16th, 2016, 08:58 AM
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Oh knock it off. You refuse to comment on what I posted. Having a discussion with you is impossible.

Faither
March 16th, 2016, 10:10 AM
What? How can anyone learn about Christ's message if you won't talk to them? Isn't that why Christ went from town to town, to seek out those that would listen? Did he talk to his own disciples all the time and ignore the people who hadn't come to him? You aren't following his example at all.

I happen to have come to Christ, but you may not agree. Regardless, any Christian should be willing to give the message to someone they think might be in darkness.

You asked me to evangelize to "you". I assumed you are in Christ because your in this forum. So i am evangelizing to you starting in a different place than i would someone thats not in Christ yet. But i always test the Spirits. I still need to know what you did to be in Christ. One or two sentences, one or two words can explain that.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 10:12 AM
You asked me to evangelize to "you". I assumed you are in Christ because your in this forum. So i am evangelizing to you starting in a different place than i would someone thats not in Christ yet. But i always test the Spirits. I still need to know what you did to be in Christ. One or two sentences, one or two words can explain that.

KR belongs to a cult called "Jehovah's Witnesses." He isn't a Christian.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 02:01 PM
I believe it's impotant to know what religious perspective someones coming from. It makes for a better conversation.

Lazy afternoon
March 16th, 2016, 02:24 PM
Oh knock it off. You refuse to comment on what I posted. Having a discussion with you is impossible.

You post for your own self gratification.

LA


Quote Originally Posted by KingdomRose View Post

You just can't think beyond a thin veneer of substance

Lazy afternoon
March 16th, 2016, 02:29 PM
I believe it's impotant to know what religious perspective someones coming from. It makes for a better conversation.

It only makes you more able to judge them by your comparing to your own religion.

LA

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 02:50 PM
I believe it's important to know what religious perspective someones coming from. It makes for a better conversation.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 02:54 PM
It only makes you more able to judge them by your comparing to your own religion.

LA

LA, you seem to not be able to get anything right? How are you able to do that with a straight face? You seem chronically bitter? Were you not invited to your high school prom?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 02:55 PM
Delete

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 02:57 PM
Delete

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 02:59 PM
LA, don't think I have no empathy for you. I believe you to be a poor soul.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 03:01 PM
It only makes you more able to judge them by your comparing to your own religion.

LA

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 03:03 PM
Delete

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 03:05 PM
Sorry about all the deletes, my Laptop was messing up.

steko
March 16th, 2016, 03:24 PM
Sorry about all the deletes, my Laptop was missing up.

They do that!

It's okay!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 16th, 2016, 03:38 PM
Meshak, you now on ignore. blessings. Have a nice day.

Faither
March 16th, 2016, 04:08 PM
You asked me to evangelize to "you". I assumed you are in Christ because your in this forum. So i am evangelizing to you starting in a different place than i would someone thats not in Christ yet. But i always test the Spirits. I still need to know what you did to be in Christ. One or two sentences, one or two words can explain that.

Bumped for kingdom rose.

Lazy afternoon
March 17th, 2016, 06:20 PM
Sorry about all the deletes, my Laptop was messing up.

Its probably in tune with your brain.

LA

meshak
April 20th, 2016, 04:22 PM
Its probably in tune with your brain.

LA

You are so humorous.:chuckle:

meshak
April 20th, 2016, 04:26 PM
New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Psalm 72:7New King James Version (NKJV)
7
In His days the righteous shall flourish,
And abundance of peace,
Until the moon is no more.

Isaiah 2:4New King James Version (NKJV)

4
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 32:16-18New King James Version (NKJV)

The Peace of God’s Reign

16
Then justice will dwell in the wilderness,
And righteousness remain in the fruitful field.

17
The work of righteousness will be peace,
And the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever.

18
My people will dwell in a peaceful habitation,
In secure dwellings, and in quiet resting places,

john w
April 20th, 2016, 05:08 PM
You are now on ignore/un-ignore, mess-hack. Blessings. Good day to you, sir.

heir
April 20th, 2016, 09:33 PM
Its probably in tune with your brain.

LAsays a blind and corrupted mind 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV 2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV

meshak
December 3rd, 2016, 08:10 PM
New earth

Psalm 37:29New King James Version (NKJV)

29
The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

Isaiah 65:17New King James Version (NKJV)

The Glorious New Creation

17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

2 Peter 3:13New King James Version (NKJV)

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

John 13:34-35New King James Version (NKJV)

34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Psalm 72:7New King James Version (NKJV)
7
In His days the righteous shall flourish,
And abundance of peace,
Until the moon is no more.

Isaiah 2:4New King James Version (NKJV)

4
He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 32:16-18New King James Version (NKJV)

The Peace of God’s Reign

16
Then justice will dwell in the wilderness,
And righteousness remain in the fruitful field.

17
The work of righteousness will be peace,
And the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever.

18
My people will dwell in a peaceful habitation,
In secure dwellings, and in quiet resting places,bump

heir
December 4th, 2016, 08:58 AM
bumpTrust the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV and your inheritance is heaven (Ephesians 1:3 KJV, Ephesians 2:4-6 KJV, Philippians 3:19-21 KJV, Colossians 3:1-4 KJV). Reject Him receiving not the love of the truth and perish (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 KJV).