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Robert Pate
March 5th, 2016, 09:42 AM
If God is at peace with the world then no one needs to be predestinated, nor does anyone need to Join the Catholic church to be saved. If God is a peace with the world it means that all religions are worthless.

Read the following scriptures and decide for yourself.

"God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and has committed unto us the world of reconciliation" 2 Corinthians 5:19

"And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile ALL THINGS unto himself; by him, I say, whether there be things on the earth or things in heaven" Colossians 1:20.

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17.

"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the savior of the world" 1 John 4:14.

"And he is a propitiation for our sins: and not ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2.

"That he by the grace of God should taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9.

One of the purposes of religion is to reconcile yourself unto God. Calvinist believe that they have been reconciled unto God because they have been predestinated. Problem with that is the scriptures say that Jesus is the justifier, Romans 3:26, not God. God does nothing outside of his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is the one that overcomes and defeats sin, death and the devil and reconciles us to God, Colossians 2:14, 15. All that Jesus does, he does for us, in our name and on our behalf. He is our justifier and our reconciler.

God is at peace with the world because of the work and the person of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus that offered to God a life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law. It was Jesus that atoned for ur sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

Does this mean that there will not be a judgment? No, there will be a judgment when Christ returns. It will be a judgment of believers and unbelievers, 2 Corinthians 5:10. Those that are found to be "In Christ" will go off into eternal life. Those that are outside of Christ are the lost and will be condemned to hell. This is the age of grace and faith. When Jesus appears the age of faith and grace will close. That is why today is the day of salvation.

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 09:46 AM
If God is at peace with the world then no one needs to be predestinated, nor does anyone need to Join the Catholic church to be saved. If God is a peace with the world it means that all religions are worthless.

Read the following scriptures and decide for yourself.

"God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and has committed unto us the world of reconciliation" 2 Corinthians 5:19

"And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile ALL THINGS unto himself; by him, I say, whether there be things on the earth or things in heaven" Colossians 1:20.

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17.

"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the savior of the world" 1 John 4:14.

"And he is a propitiation for our sins: and not ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2.

"That he by the grace of God should taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9.

One of the purposes of religion is to reconcile yourself unto God. Calvinist believe that they have been reconciled unto God because they have been predestinated. Problem with that is the scriptures say that Jesus is the justifier, Romans 3:26, not God. God does nothing outside of his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is the one that overcomes and defeats sin, death and the devil and reconciles us to God, Colossians 2:14, 15. All that Jesus does, he does for us, in our name and on our behalf. He is our justifier and our reconciler.

God is at peace with the world because of the work and the person of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus that offered to God a life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law. It was Jesus that atoned for ur sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

Does this mean that there will not be a judgment? No, there will be a judgment when Christ returns. It will be a judgment of believers and unbelievers, 2 Corinthians 5:10. Those that are found to be "In Christ" will go off into eternal life. Those that are outside of Christ are the lost and will be condemned to hell. This is the age of grace and faith. When Jesus appears the age of faith and grace will close. That is why today is the day of salvation.

Many in the World are under Gods Condemnation and Wrath Jn 3:18,36

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

So No, these are not at peace with God, No way !

jamie
March 5th, 2016, 09:51 AM
Does this mean that there will not be a judgment? No, there will be a judgment when Christ returns. It will be a judgment of believers and unbelievers...


Christ judges believers, who judges unbelievers?

jamie
March 5th, 2016, 09:57 AM
So No, these are not at peace with God, No way !


And Pate did not say they were. He said, "God is at peace with the world..."


Can two walk together, unless they are agreed? (Amos 3:3)

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 09:58 AM
And Pate did not say they were. He said, "God is at peace with the world..."

Can two walk together, unless they are agreed? (Amos 3:3)


Who said pate said that ?

Robert Pate
March 5th, 2016, 10:03 AM
Many in the World are under Gods Condemnation and Wrath Jn 3:18,36

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

So No, these are not at peace with God, No way !

Not now. But when Jesus returns those not found to be "In Christ" will be under his wrath.

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 10:17 AM
Not now. But when Jesus returns those not found to be "In Christ" will be under his wrath.
False statement, The wrath of God is presently abiding on them Jn 3:36, so you are lying again!

Robert Pate
March 5th, 2016, 12:10 PM
False statement, The wrath of God is presently abiding on them Jn 3:36, so you are lying again!


Here is your grade for theology, "F"

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 12:17 PM
Here is your grade for theology, "F"

You cant be believed since you are a liar and deceiver !

patrick jane
March 5th, 2016, 12:43 PM
Many in the World are under Gods Condemnation and Wrath Jn 3:18,36

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

So No, these are not at peace with God, No way !
God is at peace with world because of Jesus Christ, true that many are not at peace with God but that's not what the thread is about.

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 12:48 PM
God is at peace with world because of Jesus Christ, true that many are not at peace with God but that's not what the thread is about.
God is not at peace with them that are under His Wrath and Condemnation Jn 3:18,36 ! So you are a deceiver.

patrick jane
March 5th, 2016, 12:51 PM
God is not at peace with them that are under His Wrath and Condemnation Jn 3:18,36 ! So you are a deceiver.
Wrong you child of the devil, it's not about what we do, read the OP again deceiver -

Acts 13:10 KJV -

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 12:55 PM
Wrong you child of the devil, it's not about what we do, read the OP again deceiver -

Acts 13:10 KJV -

You the one perverting the Truth of God. Those under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36, God is not at peace with them, any fool should be able to see that !

patrick jane
March 5th, 2016, 12:59 PM
You the one perverting the Truth of God. Those under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36, God is not at peace with them, any fool should be able to see that !
read this you fool, - Colossians 1:20 KJV -

The world is reconciled, that is separate from individual unbelievers

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 01:04 PM
read this you fool, - Colossians 1:20 KJV -

The world is reconciled, that is separate from individual unbelievers
That says nothing about those under Gods Wrath being reconciled to God. More deception.

patrick jane
March 5th, 2016, 01:15 PM
That says nothing about those under Gods Wrath being reconciled to God. More deception.

The world is reconciled to God, there are those that will receive God's wrath, what's so complicated fool ?

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 01:16 PM
The world is reconciled to God, there are those that will receive God's wrath, what's so complicated fool ?
Those under Gods Wrath are not reconciled to God deceiver.

Robert Pate
March 5th, 2016, 03:46 PM
Those under Gods Wrath are not reconciled to God deceiver.

The scripture says..."God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Are you calling Paul a liar, again?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 5th, 2016, 03:50 PM
Here is your grade for theology, "F"

B57 deserves a grade below that.

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 03:51 PM
The scripture says..."God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Are you calling Paul a liar, again?
Those under Gods Wrath are not reconciled to Him John 3:36. You don't believe that verse or understand it!

Robert Pate
March 5th, 2016, 04:03 PM
Those under Gods Wrath are not reconciled to Him John 3:36. You don't believe that verse or understand it!

No one is under God's wrath yet because God has reconciled the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

In the judgment, which has not happened yet. Those that are not "In Christ" are under his wrath. They are under his wrath because they did not believe in his Son Jesus Christ, Hebrews 4:3.

You really need to read your Bible.

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 04:24 PM
No one is under God's wrath yet because God has reconciled the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

In the judgment, which has not happened yet. Those that are not "In Christ" are under his wrath. They are under his wrath because they did not believe in his Son Jesus Christ, Hebrews 4:3.

You really need to read your Bible.
Lying, many are under Gods Wrath John 3:36 !

Robert Pate
March 5th, 2016, 04:29 PM
Lying, many are under Gods Wrath John 3:36 !

They will be if they don't receive Christ as their savior.

The judgment has NOT taken place yet. It will take place when Christ appears.

patrick jane
March 5th, 2016, 05:54 PM
B57 has severe reading and comprehension problems

Nanja
March 5th, 2016, 06:07 PM
They will be if they don't receive Christ as their savior.

The judgment has NOT taken place yet. It will take place when Christ appears.



The Wrath of God abides upon all those He has predestined to hell Jude 1:4.
These vessels of wrath Rom. 9:22 were ordained / appointed to be condemned
and to the degree which has been determined according to His Own Counsel Prov. 16:4.

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patrick jane
March 5th, 2016, 06:17 PM
The Wrath of God abides upon all those He has predestined to hell Jude 1:4.
These vessels of wrath Rom. 9:22 were ordained / appointed to be condemned
and to the degree which has been determined according to His Own Counsel Prov. 16:4.

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You could easily be in that number

Nanja
March 5th, 2016, 06:26 PM
You could easily be in that number


No, not a chance Rom. 8:14-16!

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beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 10:18 PM
They will be if they don't receive Christ as their savior.

The judgment has NOT taken place yet. It will take place when Christ appears.
Lying, they are under Gods Wrath John 3:36 !

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 10:20 PM
You could easily be in that number
You appear to be in that number since you currently reject the scripture and teach that damnable heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

Lying, many are under Gods Wrath John 3:36 !

beloved57
March 5th, 2016, 10:28 PM
No, not a chance Rom. 8:14-16!

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I don't believe you are in the number of the reprobate, God has given you a heart to embrace the truth Acts 16:14 !

Nanja
March 6th, 2016, 05:49 AM
I don't believe you are in the number of the reprobate, God has given you a heart to embrace the truth Acts 16:14 !


Yes He has, and I believe the same of you.
God has given us a New Heart to believe the Truth,
a Fruit of His Spirit 2 Thes. 2:13!

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beloved57
March 6th, 2016, 05:53 AM
Yes He has, and I believe the same of you.
God has given us a New Heart to believe the Truth,
a Fruit of His Spirit 2 Thes. 2:13!

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Praise the Lord !

Nanja
March 6th, 2016, 05:55 AM
Praise the Lord !

Praise Him!

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Robert Pate
March 6th, 2016, 09:05 AM
Yes He has, and I believe the same of you.
God has given us a New Heart to believe the Truth,
a Fruit of His Spirit 2 Thes. 2:13!

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God is no respector of persons. Everything that God does through his Son Jesus Christ he does corporately.

This is why the scripture says... "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19. He reconciles the whole world unto himself, not just a few people who think that they have been predestinated.

Most of your doctrine is in conflict with the Gospel, justification by faith and the Bible.