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CherubRam
February 29th, 2016, 12:55 PM
The translation "commandment" is erroneous.

John 14:21 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%2014.21). KJ
He that hath My (commandments / directions) and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me; and he that loveth Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him.”

The Greek word (Entolas) in John 14:21 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%2014.21) means (directions) or (precepts.) It does not mean (command-ed) or (commandment-s.)

The Greek word "ἐντολή" is Entole for command-ed - commandment-s.

Greek words.
Entolas means: direction-s or precept-s.

Entole means: command-s / ment-s.

Nomas, or Nomos means: Law-s.

Follow this link, click on John 14 and scroll down to verse 21: www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm)

KingdomRose
February 29th, 2016, 01:11 PM
What is your point? :confused::think:

CherubRam
February 29th, 2016, 02:41 PM
What is your point? :confused::think: The incorrect translation implies that Christ is the one who gave the commandments, and so therefore is the Father Yahwah. Most likely a deliberate mistranslation to support the precept that God is a Trinity.

KingdomRose
March 3rd, 2016, 01:23 PM
The incorrect translation implies that Christ is the one who gave the commandments, and so therefore is the Father Yahwah. Most likely a deliberate mistranslation to support the precept that God is a Trinity.

Even if he did say that the commandment was his, he always reinforced the idea that any commandment came from the Father. It was "his" in that he was teaching that commandment, but it originated with the Father. He would say, "If you are my friends, do what I say." (John 15:14) That is acceptable, seeing that he is the one who is teaching the people. But what he said was what the Father told him to say.

"I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say. And I know that HIS commandment is eternal life. So what I say, I say as the Father told me." (John 12:49,50, NAB)

Bradley D
March 3rd, 2016, 11:00 PM
entolé meaning an ordinance, injunction, command.

In John 14:20 Jesus said, "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."

And as Jesus said in John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." I believe Jesus the divine is speaking for His Father who is within Him.

CherubRam
March 4th, 2016, 07:23 PM
Even if he did say that the commandment was his, he always reinforced the idea that any commandment came from the Father. It was "his" in that he was teaching that commandment, but it originated with the Father. He would say, "If you are my friends, do what I say." (John 15:14) That is acceptable, seeing that he is the one who is teaching the people. But what he said was what the Father told him to say.

"I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say. And I know that HIS commandment is eternal life. So what I say, I say as the Father told me." (John 12:49,50, NAB)

Christ is the WORD of God, but let us not confuse him as being the Father.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:35 AM
The translation "commandment" is erroneous.

John 14:21 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%2014.21). KJ
He that hath My (commandments / directions) and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me; and he that loveth Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will manifest Myself to him.”

The Greek word (Entolas) in John 14:21 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%2014.21) means (directions) or (precepts.) It does not mean (command-ed) or (commandment-s.)

The Greek word "ἐντολή" is Entole for command-ed - commandment-s.

Greek words.
Entolas means: direction-s or precept-s.

Entole means: command-s / ment-s.

Nomas, or Nomos means: Law-s.

Follow this link, click on John 14 and scroll down to verse 21: www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm)

You changing the word 'commandments' to 'teachings' does not change a thing.


They are God’s commands/TEACHINGS.

1 John 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

They are Jesus’ commands/TEACHINGS.

John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:40 AM
GOD is our Savior.

Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory,

Jesus is our God and Savior:

Titus 2:13 King James Bible
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:42 AM
God is the Redeemer
Psalm 78:35 They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.

Jesus is the Redeemer
Luke 1:68
“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come to his people and redeemed them.
Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
Galatians 3:14
He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:44 AM
God is the Holy One.
Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband-- the LORD Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.

Jesus is the Holy One.

Acts 3:14 You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:45 AM
God is our Rock.
Psalm 31:2
Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me.

Jesus is our Rock.
1 Corinthians 10:4
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:46 AM
God gives life, see John 5:21.

Jesus gives life, see John 5:21.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:47 AM
God sends the Holy Spirit

Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father." And John 14:26.

Jesus sends the Holy Spirit.

Luke 24:49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high." And John 15:26; 16:7.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:48 AM
God circumcises our hearts

Deuteronomy 30:6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.


Jesus circumcises our hearts

Colossians 2:11 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ,

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:50 AM
You see, you were worried about the word 'commandments' showing us that Jesus is God; but you have more than that word to worry about.

All those scriptures I posted show us that Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Man.

They are One and the same.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:57 AM
It is God's works, and it is Jesus' works.

John 5:17 In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."

John 4:34
"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

John 10:37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 07:59 AM
Everything was made through Jesus

1 Corinthians 8:6

Everything was made through God the Father.

Romans 11:36
Hebrews 2:10

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 08:22 AM
The Father draws men.

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

Jesus draws men.


John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."


The Father will raise up the dead.

Romans 4:17 As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that were not.

1 Corinthians 6:14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.


Jesus will raise up all believers in the last day

John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."


The Father sanctifies us.

John 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Christ sanctifies

Ephesians 5:26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

CherubRam
March 5th, 2016, 10:53 AM
GOD is our Savior.

Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory,

Jesus is our God and Savior:

Titus 2:13 King James Bible
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
You are not paying close attention to the wording.

Jude 1:25. KJV
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13. KJV
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

CherubRam
March 5th, 2016, 10:54 AM
Everything was made through Jesus

1 Corinthians 8:6

Everything was made through God the Father.

Romans 11:36
Hebrews 2:10

Everything was made (through / by) God the Father.

CherubRam
March 5th, 2016, 10:56 AM
You are taking things out of context left and right. Be more careful.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 10:56 AM
You are not paying close attention to the wording.

Jude 1:25. KJV
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13. KJV
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

You are the one not paying close attention.

God's Truth
March 5th, 2016, 10:57 AM
You are taking things out of context left and right. Be more careful.

You are the one not willing to accept God's Truth.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jesus is the exact same as God the Father.

Bright Raven
March 7th, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jesus is the exact same as God the Father.

WRONG! He is the Son of the Most High. He is not the Most High.

God's Truth
March 7th, 2016, 08:30 PM
WRONG! He is the Son of the Most High. He is not the Most High.

Tell me the difference.

CherubRam
March 8th, 2016, 02:08 AM
Tell me the difference.

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

God's Truth
March 8th, 2016, 02:35 AM
John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

So tell me the difference between the Father and the Son, besides Jesus being called a Son.

Tell me the difference between them.

Bright Raven
March 8th, 2016, 03:38 PM
So tell me the difference between the Father and the Son, besides Jesus being called a Son.

Tell me the difference between them.That is sort of comical. You are trying to prove that the Son is the Father when He unequivocally states that He is not.

John 14:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

Two different persons.

Totton Linnet
March 8th, 2016, 03:46 PM
Even if he did say that the commandment was his, he always reinforced the idea that any commandment came from the Father. It was "his" in that he was teaching that commandment, but it originated with the Father. He would say, "If you are my friends, do what I say." (John 15:14) That is acceptable, seeing that he is the one who is teaching the people. But what he said was what the Father told him to say.

"I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say. And I know that HIS commandment is eternal life. So what I say, I say as the Father told me." (John 12:49,50, NAB)

His commandment is eternal life...but you do not keep it do you. The law came through Moses but grace and truth through Jesus Christ and of His grace we have all received, grace upon grace.

I challenge you to say you keep Christ's commandment to love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul and to love your neighbour as you love yourself....you do not keep His commandments

Totton Linnet
March 9th, 2016, 01:33 PM
His commandment is eternal life...but you do not keep it do you. The law came through Moses but grace and truth through Jesus Christ and of His grace we have all received, grace upon grace.

I challenge you to say you keep Christ's commandment to love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul and to love your neighbour as you love yourself....you do not keep His commandments
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I am waiting for a reply from KR here...or shackles or streuthy

They state their case that salvation is by obeying the commandments and they do not even manage to leave a chip in the commands. If they live for a THOUSAND years they will be no closer to obeying Jesu's commands.

Therefore their salvation message is false.

CherubRam
March 12th, 2016, 01:53 AM
So tell me the difference between the Father and the Son, besides Jesus being called a Son.

Tell me the difference between them. Yahshua was known as Peniel, the (Angel of the Lord / Messenger of Yahwah.) Yahshua is the Messenger of the New Covenant.

CherubRam
March 12th, 2016, 05:30 AM
So is this a Jehovahs witness thread? I am a (Judaic / Judaeo / Judeo / Judaizing) Christian.

God's Truth
March 12th, 2016, 07:44 AM
I am a (Judaic / Judaeo / Judeo / Judaizing) Christian.

You are a bitter root that does not have grace, according to the Bible.

God's Truth
March 12th, 2016, 07:45 AM
Yahshua was known as Peniel, the (Angel of the Lord / Messenger of Yahwah.) Yahshua is the Messenger of the New Covenant.
Jesus is the Word, and the Word was and is God.

God's Truth
March 12th, 2016, 08:00 AM
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I am waiting for a reply from KR here...or shackles or streuthy

They state their case that salvation is by obeying the commandments and they do not even manage to leave a chip in the commands. If they live for a THOUSAND years they will be no closer to obeying Jesu's commands.

Therefore their salvation message is false.

I have told you may times, but it must be hidden from your eyes, since you do not see it.

Have you searched for God?
Don't you know that Jesus says to admit you are a sinner, to confess your sins, and repent of them?
Don't you know you know that you are to humble yourself, and fear God?
Do you not know that you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven unless you forgive others?

God's Truth
March 12th, 2016, 08:10 AM
His commandment is eternal life...but you do not keep it do you. The law came through Moses but grace and truth through Jesus Christ and of His grace we have all received, grace upon grace.

I challenge you to say you keep Christ's commandment to love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul and to love your neighbour as you love yourself....you do not keep His commandments

What is wrong with you? Paul says for us to love.

1 Corinthians 8:3
But whoever loves God is known by God.

1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

1 Corinthians 16:14 Do everything in love.

2 Corinthians 2:4 For I wrote you out of great distress and anguish of heart and with many tears, not to grieve you but to let you know the depth of my love for you.

2 Corinthians 6:6 in purity, understanding, patience and kindness; in the Holy Spirit and in sincere love;

2 Corinthians 8:8 I am not commanding you, but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others.

2 Corinthians 8:24 Therefore show these men the proof of your love and the reason for our pride in you, so that the churches can see it.

2 Corinthians 11:11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!

2 Corinthians 12:15 So I will very gladly spend for you everything I have and expend myself as well. If I love you more, will you love me less?

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

...and many more.

God's Truth
March 12th, 2016, 08:13 AM
That is sort of comical. You are trying to prove that the Son is the Father when He unequivocally states that He is not.

John 14:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

Two different persons.

How many Spirits is one given when saved?

CherubRam
March 12th, 2016, 08:17 PM
Jesus is the Word, and the Word was and is God.

John 1:1 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%201.1)

Greek:
en arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton theon kai theos en ho logos

Interlinear:
en (in) arche (beginning) en (was) ho (the) logos (Word) kai (and) ho (the) logos (Word) en (was) pos (toward or with) ton (TON is a special definite article "the" meaning the one and only, it appears as TON instead of O in the Greek) theon (Divine Eternal) kai (and) theos (divine) en (was) ho (the) logos (Word)

In English we have:
In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the (one or only) Divine Eternal, and divine was the Word.

The defining article "a" must be supplied for the English language, to define that there is another divine that is not the "Divine Eternal."

Why do translators drop off the definite article TON (the one or only) before Divine Eternal?

God's Truth
March 12th, 2016, 09:01 PM
John 1:1 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%201.1)

Greek:
en arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton theon kai theos en ho logos

Interlinear:
en (in) arche (beginning) en (was) ho (the) logos (Word) kai (and) ho (the) logos (Word) en (was) pos (toward or with) ton (TON is a special definite article "the" meaning the one and only, it appears as TON instead of O in the Greek) theon (Divine Eternal) kai (and) theos (divine) en (was) ho (the) logos (Word)

In English we have:
In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the (one or only) Divine Eternal, and divine was the Word.

The defining article "a" must be supplied for the English language, to define that there is another divine that is not the "Divine Eternal."

Why do translators drop off the definite article TON (the one or only) before Divine Eternal?

You will never learn God's Truth by studying Greek.

You have to realize that God brings His word to us in our language.

CherubRam
March 13th, 2016, 03:43 AM
You will never learn God's Truth by studying Greek.

You have to realize that God brings His word to us in our language.
What a foolish thing to say.

God's Truth
March 13th, 2016, 03:48 AM
What a foolish thing to say.

Jesus says he reveals the Truth to those who obey him. Jesus does not say he reveals the Truth to those who learn how to read Greek.

CherubRam
March 17th, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jesus says he reveals the Truth to those who obey him. Jesus does not say he reveals the Truth to those who learn how to read Greek. Some Christians like always being milk feed by mommy. I like the meat of scriptures.

God's Truth
March 17th, 2016, 10:26 AM
Some Christians like always being milk feed by mommy. I like the meat of scriptures.

You are not even a milk drinker of the Lamb.