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Robert Pate
February 28th, 2016, 10:59 AM
The just shall live by faith, because there is no other way for them to live. Those that have been justified by Christ don't need a religion like Calvinism or Catholicism or whatever. They believe that the work of Christ saves them to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.

To add anything to the Gospel is to confess that Jesus does NOT save to the uttermost. It is not the Gospel plus religion, it is the Gospel plus nothing. Jesus did not say, "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to everyone" and then preach Calvinism or Catholicism or whatever. There is no place in the Gospel for religion. "The Just Live By Faith".

There was no religion in the early church. There were some that wanted to put a religious label on the early church, but Paul wanted no part of it, 1 Corinthians 1:10-14. Paul made it clear that his purpose in life was to preach the Gospel, 1 Corinthians 1:17. Paul was not interested in building mighty cathedrals, nor was he interested in taking a poll to see who had been predestinated. Paul spent over 20 years of his life and traveled more than 10,000 miles preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He endured many hardships and sufferings for the sake of the Gospel, 2 Corinthians 11:23-33.

It is the hearing and believing of the Gospel that brings the Holy Spirit, Galatians 3:2. On the day of Pentecost thousands of Jews heard Peter preach the Gospel. They heard the Gospel, they believed the Gospel and they were saved, Acts 2:41."So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, Romans 10:17.Which is the Gospel. The preaching of the Gospel literally turned Jerusalem upside down. The once lowly apostles became powerful preachers of the Gospel. The Pharisees tried to stop them, but it was no use, Acts 4:13-22. They could not help but to speak of the things that they had seen and heard, Acts 4:20.

The Gospel is what gave birth to the New Testament church. Those that were there, many that were foreigners, Acts 2:5, went back to where that had come from and preached what they had seen and heard. This is how the Gospel message was spread all over that part of the world.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 11:02 AM
Faith about what?

Faith that Jesus' blood cleans us and not the blood of animals.

NOT faith without obedience to God's teachings. To that, there is no such teaching from God.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 11:04 AM
Nowhere anywhere are we taught we no longer have to obey God.

We are taught that we have a new covenant, a covenant which still requires obedience, and now also faith.

We are taught that the blood of bulls and goats, circumcision, and the observance of special days are NO LONGER NEEDED.

Why are they no longer needed when they were at one time commanded?

They are no longer needed because now Jesus' blood washed us clean.

Robert Pate
February 28th, 2016, 12:29 PM
Nowhere anywhere are we taught we no longer have to obey God.

We are taught that we have a new covenant, a covenant which still requires obedience, and now also faith.

We are taught that the blood of bulls and goats, circumcision, and the observance of special days are NO LONGER NEEDED.

Why are they no longer needed when they were at one time commanded?

They are no longer needed because now Jesus' blood washed us clean.


It is not the Gospel plus our obedience.

It is the Gospel plus NOTHING.

If it was the Gospel plus the commandments, no one could be saved, because "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.

beloved57
February 28th, 2016, 01:51 PM
It is not the Gospel plus our obedience.

It is the Gospel plus NOTHING.

If it was the Gospel plus the commandments, no one could be saved, because "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.
You teach that millions for whom Christ died wind up in hell for their sins!

Robert Pate
February 28th, 2016, 03:05 PM
You teach that millions for whom Christ died wind up in hell for their sins!

Sorry, John Calvin cannot justify anyone.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 03:12 PM
It is not the Gospel plus our obedience.

It is the Gospel plus NOTHING.

If it was the Gospel plus the commandments, no one could be saved, because "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.

The gospel is about coming to Jesus in repentance of sins, and believing that Jesus' blood washes them away.

That takes doing what the Way says to get saved. You will not get there without living faith, faith with obedience.

beloved57
February 28th, 2016, 03:48 PM
Sorry, John Calvin cannot justify anyone.

So you told a lie earlier. You said:



It is not the Gospel plus our obedience.

It is the Gospel plus NOTHING.

Yet you teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief !

Robert Pate
February 28th, 2016, 04:03 PM
So you told a lie earlier. You said:




Yet you teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief !

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9, but everyone does not want it. Many like yourself reject the Gospel and justification by faith and want to be predestinated.

Even when the scripture plainly says.."That he by the grace of God should taste death foe EVERYONE".

beloved57
February 28th, 2016, 04:36 PM
Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9, but everyone does not want it. Many like yourself reject the Gospel and justification by faith and want to be predestinated.

Even when the scripture plainly says.."That he by the grace of God should taste death foe EVERYONE".
Invalid comment!

Robert Pate
February 28th, 2016, 06:52 PM
Invalid comment!

Yea, you can't comment without calling Paul a liar.

MWood
February 28th, 2016, 07:43 PM
You teach that millions for whom Christ died wind up in hell for their sins!

You wont go to hell because of your sins. All the sins of the world were forgiven by Jesus when He shed His blood on the Cross. If a person goes to hell they will go because of their unbelief. And for no other reason.

beloved57
February 28th, 2016, 08:08 PM
You wont go to hell because of your sins. All the sins of the world were forgiven by Jesus when He shed His blood on the Cross. If a person goes to hell they will go because of their unbelief. And for no other reason.
John 8:24 Jesus said to them that ye shall die in your sins in unbelief! Hell is the second death, and death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23, so your statement is a lie!

beloved57
February 28th, 2016, 08:14 PM
Yea, you can't comment without calling Paul a liar.

Invalid comment!

MWood
February 28th, 2016, 08:52 PM
John 8:24 Jesus said to them that ye shall die in your sins in unbelief! Hell is the second death, and death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23, so your statement is a lie!
This was before He shed His blood. This was before He told them that He had to shed His blood for the forgiving of their sins. They didn't know about His blood covering their sins. He had told them that He had come to forgive the sins of the world, but they didn't understand what that entailed. Now this is what is known as "rightly dividing the word of truth." All the Bible is for us, but it is not all to us. Jesus was "sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Divide the Word.

Nick M
February 28th, 2016, 10:07 PM
We are taught that the blood of bulls and goats, circumcision, and the observance of special days are NO LONGER NEEDED.



Why are they no longer needed?

patrick jane
February 28th, 2016, 10:09 PM
Why are they no longer needed?
We know why -

But I heard @Nick M (http://theologyonline.com/member.php?u=6141) loves to be tagged

:chuckle: I won't do it again

beloved57
February 28th, 2016, 10:58 PM
This was before He shed His blood. This was before He told them that He had to shed His blood for the forgiving of their sins. They didn't know about His blood covering their sins. He had told them that He had come to forgive the sins of the world, but they didn't understand what that entailed. Now this is what is known as "rightly dividing the word of truth." All the Bible is for us, but it is not all to us. Jesus was "sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Divide the Word.
It doesn't matter when it was, your statement is a lie, men die in their sins, going to hell is the second death, and death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23!

Robert Pate
February 29th, 2016, 08:38 AM
It doesn't matter when it was, your statement is a lie, men die in their sins, going to hell is the second death, and death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23!

The gift of God is not imposed on anyone. If it is imposed it is no longer a gift.

beloved57
February 29th, 2016, 09:29 AM
The gift of God is not imposed on anyone. If it is imposed it is no longer a gift.
Invalid comment out of ignorance!

Robert Pate
February 29th, 2016, 10:17 AM
Invalid comment out of ignorance!

Here is another scripture for you.

Now concentrate real hard and try to understand.

"For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith; and not that of yourself: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD" Ephesians 2:8.

beloved57
February 29th, 2016, 10:19 AM
Here is another scripture for you.

Now concentrate real hard and try to understand.

"For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith; and not that of yourself: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD" Ephesians 2:8.
You can quote scripture to doomsday, you still teach that heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

Nick M
February 29th, 2016, 11:26 AM
You teach that millions for whom Christ died wind up in hell for their sins!

That is what the Bible says. So deal with it.

beloved57
February 29th, 2016, 11:28 AM
That is a lie, you deal with that.

Nick M
February 29th, 2016, 11:28 AM
You wont go to hell because of your sins. All the sins of the world were forgiven by Jesus when He shed His blood on the Cross. If a person goes to hell they will go because of their unbelief. And for no other reason.

That is not what the Bible says. Reconciliation is offered right now. He is not imputing trespasses right now. He says (through his prophets) the dead will be judged according to their works. And good luck with being the cleanest rat in hell.

Robert Pate
February 29th, 2016, 02:54 PM
You can quote scripture to doomsday, you still teach that heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

Your brain is like a piece of concrete. Dense.

beloved57
February 29th, 2016, 04:10 PM
Your brain is like a piece of concrete. Dense.

Insults can't help you, you still teach that heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

Robert Pate
February 29th, 2016, 04:24 PM
Insults can't help you, you still teach that heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

Yes, If you do not call upon the name of the Lord to save you, Romans 10:13. you will perish, John 3:18.

beloved57
February 29th, 2016, 04:30 PM
Yes, If you do not call upon the name of the Lord to save you, Romans 10:13. you will perish, John 3:18.
Teaching salvation by works again, by what a person does, and so dishonoring Jesus Christ!

Grosnick Marowbe
February 29th, 2016, 04:31 PM
The just shall live by faith, because there is no other way for them to live. Those that have been justified by Christ don't need a religion like Calvinism or Catholicism or whatever. They believe that the work of Christ saves them to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.

To add anything to the Gospel is to confess that Jesus does NOT save to the uttermost. It is not the Gospel plus religion, it is the Gospel plus nothing. Jesus did not say, "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to everyone" and then preach Calvinism or Catholicism or whatever. There is no place in the Gospel for religion. "The Just Live By Faith".

There was no religion in the early church. There were some that wanted to put a religious label on the early church, but Paul wanted no part of it, 1 Corinthians 1:10-14. Paul made it clear that his purpose in life was to preach the Gospel, 1 Corinthians 1:17. Paul was not interested in building mighty cathedrals, nor was he interested in taking a poll to see who had been predestinated. Paul spent over 20 years of his life and traveled more than 10,000 miles preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He endured many hardships and sufferings for the sake of the Gospel, 2 Corinthians 11:23-33.

It is the hearing and believing of the Gospel that brings the Holy Spirit, Galatians 3:2. On the day of Pentecost thousands of Jews heard Peter preach the Gospel. They heard the Gospel, they believed the Gospel and they were saved, Acts 2:41."So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, Romans 10:17.Which is the Gospel. The preaching of the Gospel literally turned Jerusalem upside down. The once lowly apostles became powerful preachers of the Gospel. The Pharisees tried to stop them, but it was no use, Acts 4:13-22. They could not help but to speak of the things that they had seen and heard, Acts 4:20.

The Gospel is what gave birth to the New Testament church. Those that were there, many that were foreigners, Acts 2:5, went back to where that had come from and preached what they had seen and heard. This is how the Gospel message was spread all over that part of the world.

Good post Pate.

Grosnick Marowbe
February 29th, 2016, 04:33 PM
Teaching salvation by works again, by what a person does, and so dishonoring Jesus Christ!

As usual, you're 100% wrong! You always come through for us. At least you're consistent.

Grosnick Marowbe
February 29th, 2016, 04:35 PM
Yes, If you do not call upon the name of the Lord to save you, Romans 10:13. you will perish, John 3:18.

B57 doesn't believe the Scriptures. He has a logic and reason disability. Poor fellow.

Grosnick Marowbe
February 29th, 2016, 04:39 PM
Nowhere anywhere are we taught we no longer have to obey God.

We are taught that we have a new covenant, a covenant which still requires obedience, and now also faith.

We are taught that the blood of bulls and goats, circumcision, and the observance of special days are NO LONGER NEEDED.

Why are they no longer needed when they were at one time commanded?

They are no longer needed because now Jesus' blood washed us clean.

You just can't get it right can you? Sit down, you failed again.

Grosnick Marowbe
February 29th, 2016, 04:43 PM
It doesn't matter when it was, your statement is a lie, men die in their sins, going to hell is the second death, and death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23!

Give up B57. You're always wrong. Nobody, accept Nanja believes your "Ultra-hyper-Calvinistic fanaticism."

Grosnick Marowbe
February 29th, 2016, 04:45 PM
B57, One would have to be insane to follow you in your quest to be wrong in everything you say.

Grosnick Marowbe
February 29th, 2016, 04:50 PM
B57, shut off your Laptop, stand up and walk two steps backwards from your desk, then, walk out of the room and stay away from your Laptop the rest of your life.

heir
February 29th, 2016, 05:22 PM
You wont go to hell because of your sins. All the sins of the world were forgiven by Jesus when He shed His blood on the Cross. If a person goes to hell they will go because of their unbelief. And for no other reason.
Amen!

2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV

And welcome to TOL! :up:

If you haven't yet, open a newbie thread and give a little intro about yourself. It'll help others welcome you/get to know you/ or even know you are here :)http://theologyonline.com/forumdisplay.php?65-Newbie-Central

heir
February 29th, 2016, 05:27 PM
The gift of God is not imposed on anyone. If it is imposed it is no longer a gift.

One receives the gift by trusting the Lord believing how that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day!

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


TULIP sniffers: Take notice of the order!

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

beloved57
February 29th, 2016, 10:46 PM
One receives the gift by trusting the Lord believing how that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day!

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


TULIP sniffers: Take notice of the order!

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
This is promoting salvation by works, by what a person does!

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 05:45 AM
You wont go to hell because of your sins. All the sins of the world were forgiven by Jesus when He shed His blood on the Cross. If a person goes to hell they will go because of their unbelief. And for no other reason.

Those who believe can fall into judgement.

1 Corinthians 11:31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment.

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 05:48 AM
This was before He shed His blood. This was before He told them that He had to shed His blood for the forgiving of their sins. They didn't know about His blood covering their sins. He had told them that He had come to forgive the sins of the world, but they didn't understand what that entailed. Now this is what is known as "rightly dividing the word of truth." All the Bible is for us, but it is not all to us. Jesus was "sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Divide the Word.

All the Bible is for us, and became to us when we come to the Lord to be saved.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 05:50 AM
Why are they no longer needed?

They are no longer needed because faith that Jesus' blood makes us clean is what makes us clean. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean we no longer have to obey God, it means we no longer have to get circumcised and no longer have to sacrifice animals.

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 05:54 AM
Here is another scripture for you.

Now concentrate real hard and try to understand.

"For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved through faith; and not that of yourself: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD" Ephesians 2:8.
What does Jesus' blood do?

Jesus' blood CLEANS US.

How did the Jews USED TO HAVE TO clean themselves?

They used to do the ceremonial works, such as get circumcised and sacrifice animals.

SO THEN, what makes it a free gift?

Not having to do works to clean ourselves makes it a free gift.

Obeying God does NOT disqualify someone for the free gift!

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 05:59 AM
That is not what the Bible says. Reconciliation is offered right now. He is not imputing trespasses right now. He says (through his prophets) the dead will be judged according to their works. And good luck with being the cleanest rat in hell.

Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 06:05 AM
Insults can't help you, you still teach that heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

It is never ever wrong to obey God.

There is NOT a bad or wrong time to obey God, especially when one wants to be saved.

Just listen to yourself, you are condemning obedience.

Robert Pate and you both preach no one can obey before they are saved---AND IF THEY DO---THEY ARE CONDEMNED.

Neither one of you can be reasoned with, you both have been ensnared.

Even a Catholic and a Mormon can obey God by not having sex before marriage. THAT obedience is NOT what condemns them. What condemns them is not furthering their obedience.

Obedience to God is not what separates us from God. What separates us from God is when we do NOT obey Him.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 06:10 AM
Yes, If you do not call upon the name of the Lord to save you, Romans 10:13. you will perish, John 3:18.

Not all who call on Jesus, "Lord, Lord" will be saved.

What did they do Robert?

They called on the Lord, did they not?

They called on Jesus, "Lord, Lord..."

Why was THEIR CALLING ON THE LORD ineffective?

I will tell you why, it is because they did NOT OBEY.

Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?


Did you read that and hear?

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 06:16 AM
Teaching salvation by works again, by what a person does, and so dishonoring Jesus Christ!

Just listen to your absurdity. You, and Robert claim that a person is disqualified for salvation if they do what Jesus says to do.

Robert argues that no, we are only having faith, we are not doing anything else.

You argue against Robert by saying watch out, for faith is obedience, and it will condemn you.

NEITHER ONE OF YOU see the twisted teachings handed down to you.

beloved57
March 1st, 2016, 06:34 AM
Just listen to your absurdity. You, and Robert claim that a person is disqualified for salvation if they do what Jesus says to do.

Robert argues that no, we are only having faith, we are not doing anything else.

You argue against Robert by saying watch out, for faith is obedience, and it will condemn you.

NEITHER ONE OF YOU see the twisted teachings handed down to you.
You and pate teach salvation by works, a damnable heresy!

TulipBee
March 1st, 2016, 07:30 AM
Yes, If you do not call upon the name of the Lord to save you, Romans 10:13. you will perish, John 3:18.
God called, none answered

TulipBee
March 1st, 2016, 07:31 AM
One receives the gift by trusting the Lord believing how that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day!

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


TULIP sniffers: Take notice of the order!

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Tulip say God made believers willing

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 10:48 AM
God called, none answered

That's a lie. Millions have heard and believe. I am one of them.

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 10:52 AM
Just listen to your absurdity. You, and Robert claim that a person is disqualified for salvation if they do what Jesus says to do.

Robert argues that no, we are only having faith, we are not doing anything else.

You argue against Robert by saying watch out, for faith is obedience, and it will condemn you.

NEITHER ONE OF YOU see the twisted teachings handed down to you.

I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says we are saved by faith plus our obedience.

Your obedience is not going to count in the judgment because you are a sinner, Romans 3:10.

TulipBee
March 1st, 2016, 11:07 AM
That's a lie. Millions have heard and believe. I am one of them.
Cause God made them willing.
You willed it on your own without God.
Big difference!
We can tell by your continuous everyday boastings.

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 12:17 PM
Cause God made them willing.
You willed it on your own without God.
Big difference!
We can tell by your continuous everyday boastings.

The Holy Spirit called and I answered.

Just like those on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:41.

The Holy Spirit is present in the Gospel. We hear, we believe and we are saved,

TulipBee
March 1st, 2016, 01:21 PM
The Holy Spirit called and I answered.

Just like those on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:41.

The Holy Spirit is present in the Gospel. We hear, we believe and we are saved,
If you answered you wouldn't be talking like you do.

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 02:10 PM
If you answered you wouldn't be talking like you do.


"So then faith comes by hearing (The Gospel) and hearing by the word of God (The Gospel) Romans 10:17.

Nanja
March 1st, 2016, 03:12 PM
A dead man can't hear.

Hearing comes by having Life.
Hence, a person cannot hear the Gospel unto Salvation
if he is not Born of God.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God.

But God gives Spiritual Life John 3:6 and the Hearing Ear to all His Election of Grace Prov. 20:12 because He ordained them to Eternal Life Acts 13:48.

2 Thes. 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord
Jesus Christ.

~~~~~

genuineoriginal
March 1st, 2016, 03:45 PM
"The Just (Justified) Shall Live By Faith, " Romans 1:17
Not quite.
Here is a better translation of original verse that Paul was quoting:

Habakkuk 2:4 CJB
4 “Look at the proud: he is inwardly not upright; but the righteous will attain life through trusting faithfulness.

Notice that it says nothing about "justified", but it does mention the "righteous".
Also, faith is correctly translated as trusting faithfulness instead of the dead belief without works that you think is faith.

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 03:58 PM
A dead man can't hear.

Hearing comes by having Life.
Hence, a person cannot hear the Gospel unto Salvation
if he is not Born of God.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God.

But God gives Spiritual Life John 3:6 and the Hearing Ear to all His Election of Grace Prov. 20:12 because He ordained them to Eternal Life Acts 13:48.

2 Thes. 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord
Jesus Christ.

~~~~~

You have it backwards.

In Acts Chapter 2, they heard the Gospel, they believed the Gospel and they received the Holy Spirit.

Paul said to the Galatians, "Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith? (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.

The Holy Spirit is only present in the Gospel. There is no other way that you can receive the Holy Spirit.

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 04:02 PM
Not quite.
Here is a better translation of original verse that Paul was quoting:

Habakkuk 2:4 CJB
4 “Look at the proud: he is inwardly not upright; but the righteous will attain life through trusting faithfulness.

Notice that it says nothing about "justified", but it does mention the "righteous".
Also, faith is correctly translated as trusting faithfulness instead of the dead belief without works that you think is faith.

That is not a better translation. That is Old Testament stuff.

Paul said that, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10.

I'll stick with Paul.

Nanja
March 1st, 2016, 04:31 PM
In Acts Chapter 2, they heard the Gospel, they believed the Gospel and they received the Holy Spirit.





Wrong order again!

Remember the dead can't hear.

Only one who is Of God can hear God's Words John 8:47!

So first they were Born of God, made Alive / Quickened by the Spirit.
Then as a result and evidence of New Life, were given Hearing Ears Prov. 20:12; John 3:27.
And they had Faith / Belief which is a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22!

~~~~~

TulipBee
March 1st, 2016, 04:50 PM
"So then faith comes by hearing (The Gospel) and hearing by the word of God (The Gospel) Romans 10:17.
Leave Romans the way it is

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 05:10 PM
Wrong order again!

Remember the dead can't hear.

Only one who is Of God can hear God's Words John 8:47!

So first they were Born of God, made Alive / Quickened by the Spirit.
Then as a result and evidence of New Life, were given Hearing Ears Prov. 20:12; John 3:27.
And they had Faith / Belief which is a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22!

~~~~~

HOGWASH!

"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. Which is the Gospel.

Over 8000 Jews heard the Gospel and believed, Acts 2:41.

You are in denial of the power of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit which may be the unforgiveable sin.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 1st, 2016, 05:25 PM
HOGWASH!

"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. Which is the Gospel.

Over 8000 Jews heard the Gospel and believed, Acts 2:41.

You are in denial of the power of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit which may be the unforgiveable sin.

Nanja is a minion of B57.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 1st, 2016, 05:26 PM
Both B57 and Nanja preach a false doctrine.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 1st, 2016, 05:28 PM
Leave Romans the way it is

He is. You're a Joke and a half on TOL. :loser:

Grosnick Marowbe
March 1st, 2016, 05:30 PM
Wrong order again!

Remember the dead can't hear.

Only one who is Of God can hear God's Words John 8:47!

So first they were Born of God, made Alive / Quickened by the Spirit.
Then as a result and evidence of New Life, were given Hearing Ears Prov. 20:12; John 3:27.
And they had Faith / Belief which is a Fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22!

~~~~~

The dead are made alive by hearing the Gospel and placing their faith in Christ. Now, don't you feel silly?

genuineoriginal
March 1st, 2016, 05:47 PM
That is not a better translation. That is Old Testament stuff.
I see you were never taught that Paul often quoted the Old Testament

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NUMBER OF TIMES PAUL QUOTES, CITES, OR REFERENCES THE OLD TESTAMENT (http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL%20QUOTES%20THE%20OT.htm)
ROMANS {approximately 105 verses}
I CORINTHIANS {approximately 72+ verses}
II CORINTHIANS {approximately 21 verses}
GALATIANS {approximately 24 verses}
EPHESIANS {approximately 12 verses}
PHILIPPIANS {approximately 13+ verses}
COLOSSIANS {approximately 4 verses}
I THESSALONIANS {approximately 2 verses}
II THESSALONIANS {approximately 2 verses}
I TIMOTHY {approximately 13 verses}
_____

Nanja
March 1st, 2016, 05:49 PM
The dead are made alive by hearing the Gospel and placing their faith in Christ. Now, don't you feel silly?


False gospel of works! :Plain:

~~~~~

Jer17.5Ps50-Mt543
March 1st, 2016, 05:50 PM
The just shall live by faith, because there is no other way for them to live. Those that have been justified by Christ don't need a religion ... It is not the Gospel plus religion, it is the Gospel plus nothing. rld.

Where does it say the gospel alone saves you? No, in th Word it says that BAPTISM "now saveth you"

It says you must be BAPTIZED in "water and the Holy Spirit"

I think it is in the Gospel of John, chapter 3

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 09:00 PM
I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says we are saved by faith plus our obedience.

Your obedience is not going to count in the judgment because you are a sinner, Romans 3:10.

The scriptures say if you do not have obedience, your faith is DEAD.

If you do not have obedience, then Jesus will not live with you, you will not be his family, and you will not be his friend.

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 09:05 PM
You and pate teach salvation by works, a damnable heresy!

Show one scripture that tells us we are condemned for obeying.

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 09:29 PM
I see you were never taught that Paul often quoted the Old Testament

_____
NUMBER OF TIMES PAUL QUOTES, CITES, OR REFERENCES THE OLD TESTAMENT (http://www.freewebs.com/thywordis/PAUL%20QUOTES%20THE%20OT.htm)
ROMANS {approximately 105 verses}
I CORINTHIANS {approximately 72+ verses}
II CORINTHIANS {approximately 21 verses}
GALATIANS {approximately 24 verses}
EPHESIANS {approximately 12 verses}
PHILIPPIANS {approximately 13+ verses}
COLOSSIANS {approximately 4 verses}
I THESSALONIANS {approximately 2 verses}
II THESSALONIANS {approximately 2 verses}
I TIMOTHY {approximately 13 verses}
_____


Of course he did. Why not believe Paul?

Robert Pate
March 1st, 2016, 09:32 PM
The scriptures say if you do not have obedience, your faith is DEAD.

If you do not have obedience, then Jesus will not live with you, you will not be his family, and you will not be his friend.

The Holy Spirit is our guide and our keeper, not the law.

genuineoriginal
March 1st, 2016, 10:15 PM
Of course he did. Why not believe Paul?

I do, which is why I check the Old Testament to see what Paul is talking about.

Acts 17:11
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

beloved57
March 1st, 2016, 11:06 PM
Show one scripture that tells us we are condemned for obeying.

I said that you and pate both teach the damnable heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

beloved57
March 1st, 2016, 11:41 PM
The Holy Spirit is our guide and our keeper, not the law.
The Holy Spirit is not guiding you to teach salvation by works, by what a person does! Neither does He guide you in your false teaching that denies the saving efficacy of Christ death! You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell lost in their sins in unbelief!

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:03 AM
The Holy Spirit is our guide and our keeper, not the law.

MOSES came with the law, and JESUS CAME WITH GRACE (John 1:17).

Jesus came with grace AND TRUTH.

Did you hear that? Jesus taught us the WAY, and we have to do what Jesus the truth says to get to the Father.

The scriptures say if you do not have obedience, your faith is DEAD.

If you do not have obedience, then Jesus will not live with you, you will not be his family, and you will not be his friend.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:07 AM
The Holy Spirit is our guide and our keeper, not the law.

You do not receive the HELPER and guide unless you OBEY. That is what scripture SAYS. See Acts 5:32.

"We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."


To whom is the Holy Spirit given? Please answer the question...just say it aloud with your mouth, say it aloud. That would be a great beginning for you. Don't let anyone or anything stop you from speaking the truth aloud---the Holy Spirit is given to those that obey.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:08 AM
I said that you and pate both teach the damnable heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

Show one scripture that tells us we are condemned for obeying.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:09 AM
The Holy Spirit is not guiding you to teach salvation by works, by what a person does! Neither does He guide you in your false teaching that denies the saving efficacy of Christ death! You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell lost in their sins in unbelief!

It is not a sin to believe and obey. What is wrong with you? Some do not even have sense that is common.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 09:12 AM
It is not a sin to believe and obey. What is wrong with you? Some do not even have sense that is common.
You teach salvation by works, by what a person does, a damnable heresy. You never say a word about the obedience of Christ, which makes many righteous Rom 5:19!

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:17 AM
The Holy Spirit is not guiding you to teach salvation by works, by what a person does! Neither does He guide you in your false teaching that denies the saving efficacy of Christ death! You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell lost in their sins in unbelief!

You are going against your own half brother. Pate teaches as you do that it is a condemnation to obey when one wants to be saved.

Think about it harder and longer. Who would be behind such a teaching? Who would be behind speaking anything against believing and obeying God? Think about it.

Pate and you both teach that to obey is death.

The both of you teach not obeying is the secret ticket to life.

JESUS SAYS life is his words, and obedience to his words.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:19 AM
I said that you and pate both teach the damnable heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

Show one scripture that tells us we are condemned for obeying.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:20 AM
You teach salvation by works, by what a person does, a damnable heresy. You never say a word about the obedience of Christ, which makes many righteous Rom 5:19!

You have to come unto Christ if you want his righteousness.

How do you come into Christ? You come unto Christ when YOU OBEY HIS WORDS.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 09:39 AM
You are going against your own half brother. Pate teaches as you do that it is a condemnation to obey when one wants to be saved.

Think about it harder and longer. Who would be behind such a teaching? Who would be behind speaking anything against believing and obeying God? Think about it.

Pate and you both teach that to obey is death.
Both you and pate and many others teach salvation by works, a damnable heresy, which denies Christ!

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:52 AM
Both you and pate and many others teach salvation by works, a damnable heresy, which denies Christ!

Prove where obeying Christ is damnable.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 09:57 AM
Prove where obeying Christ is damnable.
Teaching salvation by works is damnable.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 09:59 AM
Teaching salvation by works is damnable.

Prove where obeying Christ is damnable.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 10:00 AM
Prove where obeying Christ is damnable.
I never said that.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 10:09 AM
I never said that.

You sure did.


Teaching salvation by works is damnable.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 10:10 AM
I speak obedience, and beloved says it is a damnable works salvation.

IT IS NEVER EVER a damnable heresy to obey Christ!

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 10:17 AM
Where's the quote of mine that I stated obedience to Christ is damnable?

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 10:31 AM
Where's the quote of mine that I stated obedience to Christ is damnable?

I already gave you the quote, are you hard of seeing?

So then, you now say you know we are to believe and obey to be saved.

Good for you, finally.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 10:32 AM
I already gave you the quote, are you hard of seeing?

So then, you now say you know we are to believe and obey to be saved.

Good for you, finally.
No you didn't, so you have lied on me!

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 10:57 AM
No you didn't, so you have lied on me!

Face the reality of what you say and do.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 11:02 AM
To obey Jesus is not a damnable heresy called works salvation.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 11:07 AM
No you didn't, so you have lied on me!
It is not good to lie on folks. That's sin.

Robert Pate
March 2nd, 2016, 01:11 PM
To obey Jesus is not a damnable heresy called works salvation.

Any religious thing that we do is a work of the law, Romans 3:20.

Works do not justify. Only Christ can justify.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 01:14 PM
Any religious thing that we do is a work of the law, Romans 3:20.

Works do not justify. Only Christ can justify.

Do you know what a DEED of the law is?

Go ahead and explain it.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 01:15 PM
Any religious thing that we do is a work of the law, Romans 3:20.

Works do not justify. Only Christ can justify.

It is NEVER EVER a GOOD and RIGHT time to NOT obey Jesus.

You have fallen for a false doctrine.

Robert Pate
March 2nd, 2016, 01:21 PM
It is NEVER EVER a GOOD and RIGHT time to NOT obey Jesus.

You have fallen for a false doctrine.

Even if you could obey Christ perfectly it would not save or justify you. When are you going to believe Paul? Romans 3:10.

genuineoriginal
March 2nd, 2016, 01:58 PM
The Holy Spirit is not guiding you to teach salvation by works, by what a person does!
The Holy Spirit and the Bible both teach that damnation is because of works.
You are so busy trying not to do any good works that you fail to see how your evil works are bringing damnation on you.

Neither does He guide you in your false teaching that denies the saving efficacy of Christ death!
Determinism denies the power of the crucifixion.

You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell lost in their sins in unbelief!
That is good, since that is exactly what the Bible teaches.

genuineoriginal
March 2nd, 2016, 02:07 PM
Even if you could obey Christ perfectly it would not save or justify you. When are you going to believe Paul? Romans 3:10.
Even if you believed Paul perfectly, it would not save or justify you.
When are you going to obey Christ?

2 Corinthians 10:5-6
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 02:39 PM
Even if you could obey Christ perfectly it would not save or justify you. When are you going to believe Paul? Romans 3:10.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life; his words ARE SPIRIT and LIFE. You will not get that life if you do not do what he says to get to the Father.

Nowhere anywhere does Jesus tell us doing nothing is what saves.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 02:49 PM
Here Jesus promises us IF YOU are obedient:

Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

John 8:31 [ Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are ]
Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples

John 13:17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

1 John 2:3 And by this we may know that we know Him--if we obey His commands.

God's Truth
March 2nd, 2016, 02:55 PM
We are blessed as a family member and friend if we do what Jesus says.


Luke 11:28 He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 03:10 PM
The Holy Spirit and the Bible both teach that damnation is because of works.
You are so busy trying not to do any good works that you fail to see how your evil works are bringing damnation on you.

Determinism denies the power of the crucifixion.

That is good, since that is exactly what the Bible teaches.

Since when did you believe the scripture? You teach salvation by works also, a damnable heresy!

genuineoriginal
March 2nd, 2016, 03:19 PM
Since when did you believe the scripture?
I have believed the scripture long before you ever heard of me.


You teach salvation by works also, a damnable heresy!
You are mistaken.
I teach damnation by work and salvation by Jesus choosing people that have an active faith, which is what the Bible teaches.

Robert Pate teaches people obligate God to save them through a passive belief.

beloved57 teaches that God just chooses people for salvation randomly and sends the rest into damnation for no reason at all.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 03:21 PM
I have believed the scripture long before you ever heard of me.


You are mistaken.
I teach damnation by work and salvation by Jesus choosing people that have an active faith, which is what the Bible teaches.

Robert Pate teaches people obligate God to save them through a passive belief.

beloved57 teaches that God just chooses people for salvation randomly and sends the rest into damnation for no reason at all.
You don't believe the scripture, nor understand it, for you teach salvation by works, by what a person does!

genuineoriginal
March 2nd, 2016, 03:25 PM
You don't believe the scripture, nor understand it, for you teach salvation by works, by what a person does!
I now know what that the 57 in your username refers to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)).

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 03:26 PM
I now know what that the 57 in your username refers to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)).
You don't know what the scripture teach about salvation.

genuineoriginal
March 2nd, 2016, 03:30 PM
You don't know what the scripture teach about salvation.
Sure I do.

Jude 1:3-5
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Robert Pate
March 2nd, 2016, 03:45 PM
I now know what that the 57 in your username refers to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)).

I never thought that was his IQ, but maybe you are right.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 03:55 PM
Sure I do.

Jude 1:3-5
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
You quote scripture but don't believe a word of it!

genuineoriginal
March 2nd, 2016, 03:57 PM
You quote scripture but I don't believe a word of it!
Yes, it is obvious you don't.

beloved57
March 2nd, 2016, 05:04 PM
Yes, it is obvious you don't.
Now you are being dubious!

Robert Pate
March 3rd, 2016, 09:27 AM
Now you are being dubious!

You would do well to spend more time reading the Bible and less time on the Forum.

beloved57
March 3rd, 2016, 10:25 AM
You would do well to spend more time reading the Bible and less time on the Forum.

Worthless comments as usual!

God's Truth
March 3rd, 2016, 11:22 AM
You don't believe the scripture, nor understand it, for you teach salvation by works, by what a person does!

How do you ever get that there is a good and right time NOT to obey?

beloved57
March 3rd, 2016, 11:29 AM
How do you ever get that there is a good and right time NOT to obey?
Don't know what you talking about, your issue is teaching that false gospel of salvation by works, by what a person does.

God's Truth
March 3rd, 2016, 11:32 AM
Don't know what you talking about, your issue is teaching that false gospel of salvation by works, by what a person does.

You do not know what I am talking about?

I say obey to be saved.

YOU go against me for saying that.

You say OBEYING to be saved is a damnable heresy.

Do you see now how you go against obeying God?

beloved57
March 3rd, 2016, 12:21 PM
You do not know what I am talking about?

I say obey to be saved.

YOU go against me for saying that.

You say OBEYING to be saved is a damnable heresy.

Do you see now how you go against obeying God?
You teach salvation by works, by what a person does. Those saved by Christ are saved from His obedience, not theirs Rom 5:19!

God's Truth
March 3rd, 2016, 12:51 PM
You teach salvation by works, by what a person does. Those saved by Christ are saved from His obedience, not theirs Rom 5:19!

Prove from scripture that it does not matte what we do.

beloved57
March 3rd, 2016, 12:55 PM
Prove from scripture that it does not matte what we do.
Where did I make the statement that it doesn't matter what people do? Please provide the that quote.

God's Truth
March 3rd, 2016, 01:05 PM
Where did I make the statement that it doesn't matter what people do? Please provide the that quote.


You teach salvation by works, by what a person does. Those saved by Christ are saved from His obedience, not theirs Rom 5:19!

beloved57
March 3rd, 2016, 01:07 PM
Now you are lying again, nothing there has me saying that it doesn't matter what a person does. You are a big liar!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 3rd, 2016, 01:08 PM
Don't know what you talking about, your issue is teaching that false gospel of salvation by works, by what a person does.

You're teaching that false gospel of being one of the few, chosen for salvation.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 3rd, 2016, 01:10 PM
Now you are lying again, nothing there has me saying that it doesn't matter what a person does. You are a big liar!

You are a false teacher.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 3rd, 2016, 01:12 PM
GT and B57 are both false teachers of false doctrine.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 3rd, 2016, 01:14 PM
Don't know what you talking about, your issue is teaching that false gospel of salvation by works, by what a person does.

Learn how to make better "word choices." You sound like an "illiterate."

God's Truth
March 3rd, 2016, 01:15 PM
Now you are lying again, nothing there has me saying that it doesn't matter what a person does. You are a big liar!


You teach salvation by works, by what a person does. Those saved by Christ are saved from His obedience, not theirs Rom 5:19!

beloved57
March 3rd, 2016, 01:16 PM
You still lying!

God's Truth
March 3rd, 2016, 01:18 PM
You still lying!


Now you are lying again, nothing there has me saying that it doesn't matter what a person does. You are a big liar!


You teach salvation by works, by what a person does. Those saved by Christ are saved from His obedience, not theirs Rom 5:19!

Grosnick Marowbe
March 3rd, 2016, 01:19 PM
Worthless comments as usual!

That's all you make.

beloved57
March 3rd, 2016, 01:19 PM
All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 3rd, 2016, 01:21 PM
You still lying!

You're supposed to say: "You're still lying!" Did you get beyond the third grade?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 3rd, 2016, 01:23 PM
All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire.

You're the perfect definition of a "Child man."

God's Truth
March 3rd, 2016, 02:06 PM
One shall live by faith that Jesus cleans us, instead of our living by the old regulations of the old law.

Galatians 3:12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them."

Robert Pate
March 3rd, 2016, 04:41 PM
One shall live by faith that Jesus cleans us, instead of our living by the old regulations of the old law.

Galatians 3:12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them."

The scripture says..."Will live IN THEM" The law is not of faith; it is a principle of doing, not believing.

beloved57
March 4th, 2016, 04:27 AM
The scripture says..."Will live IN THEM" The law is not of faith; it is a principle of doing, not believing.

Both of you teach salvation by doing, by what a person does !

Robert Pate
March 4th, 2016, 10:14 AM
Both of you teach salvation by doing, by what a person does !

And you teach that believing in Jesus saves no one.

God's Truth
March 4th, 2016, 10:15 AM
The scripture says..."Will live IN THEM" The law is not of faith; it is a principle of doing, not believing.

You have not considered the scripture that says the LAW WAS SPIRITUAL.

beloved57
March 4th, 2016, 11:12 AM
And you teach that believing in Jesus saves no one.
Not the jesus of pateism, he doesn't save anyone.

Robert Pate
March 6th, 2016, 09:22 AM
All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire.

All deniers shall also have their part in the lake of fire.

You cannot deny Christ and his Gospel without sever consequences.

beloved57
March 6th, 2016, 09:24 AM
All deniers shall also have their part in the lake of fire.

You cannot deny Christ and his Gospel without sever consequences.
You are a liar with your false gospel of works salvation, by what a person does!

Robert Pate
March 6th, 2016, 06:44 PM
You are a liar with your false gospel of works salvation, by what a person does!

Its not works. Its salvation by grace through faith. Just like the Bible teaches, Ephesians 2:8.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 06:53 PM
Its not works. Its salvation by grace through faith. Just like the Bible teaches, Ephesians 2:8.

Faith is a work because it is doing something God commands. Jesus is says it is a work.

beloved57
March 6th, 2016, 06:59 PM
Its not works. Its salvation by grace through faith. Just like the Bible teaches, Ephesians 2:8.
You teach salvation by works, by what a person does!

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 07:20 PM
You teach salvation by works, by what a person does!

He teaches salvation by a work, but not of works, since there is only one work he preaches, and that is the work of faith.

You two fighting over which one obeys the least is evil.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 07:27 PM
The scripture says..."Will live IN THEM" The law is not of faith; it is a principle of doing, not believing.

The NEW LAW is based on faith. God lives in those who believe and obey him. That is whom Jesus LIVES IN.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

beloved57
March 6th, 2016, 09:40 PM
He teaches salvation by a work, but not of works, since there is only one work he preaches, and that is the work of faith.

You two fighting over which one obeys the least is evil.
You both teach salvation by works, by what a person does, that is a damnable heresy!

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 10:15 PM
You both teach salvation by works, by what a person does, that is a damnable heresy!

Pate teaches to obey only one thing. The Bible says that is false.

We have to obey everything Jesus says.

beloved57
March 6th, 2016, 11:00 PM
Pate teaches to obey only one thing. The Bible says that is false.

We have to obey everything Jesus says.
As stated, you both teach the heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

Robert Pate
March 7th, 2016, 08:37 AM
Pate teaches to obey only one thing. The Bible says that is false.

We have to obey everything Jesus says.


You don't obey everything that Jesus says. You are the chief of all hypocrites.

God's Truth
March 7th, 2016, 08:47 AM
You don't obey everything that Jesus says. You are the chief of all hypocrites.

You have to tell untruths about me to defend your beliefs that is what Satan does.

God's Truth
March 7th, 2016, 08:48 AM
One can see which people have never given up not even one sin for the Lord, it is the people that think it is unheard of to stop sinning.

God's Truth
March 7th, 2016, 08:50 AM
Pate is calling these apostles writings untrue:

Those operating in Christ do not continue to sin.

See Romans 6:1 and 2, 1 John 5:18, 1 John 3:9, 1 John 3:6.

Grosnick Marowbe
March 7th, 2016, 09:09 AM
You have to tell untruths about me to defend your beliefs that is what Satan does.

You're not sounding very intelligent? Have you had your coffee yet?

Grosnick Marowbe
March 7th, 2016, 09:11 AM
One can see which people have never given up not even one sin for the Lord, it is the people that think it is unheard of to stop sinning.

I can see why you get banned a lot.

Robert Pate
March 7th, 2016, 04:55 PM
You have to tell untruths about me to defend your beliefs that is what Satan does.

Are you calling the apostle John a liar?

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8.

God's Truth
March 7th, 2016, 08:25 PM
Are you calling the apostle John a liar?

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8.

That scripture is about being saved in the first place. Do you understand what that means?

Krsto
March 7th, 2016, 08:29 PM
As stated, you both teach the heresy of salvation by works, by what a person does!

If you stop sinning you have been saved from sin.

beloved57
March 7th, 2016, 10:06 PM
If you stop sinning you have been saved from sin.
Invalid comment!

Krsto
March 7th, 2016, 10:20 PM
Invalid comment!

Translation: you don't get it.

beloved57
March 8th, 2016, 12:59 AM
Translation: you don't get it.
It's not valid!

Robert Pate
March 8th, 2016, 09:12 AM
That scripture is about being saved in the first place. Do you understand what that means?

Where did you get that idea?

You are good at twisting things. The "WE" are Christians. If "WE" say that we have no sin...

Just like when Paul said, Twice in Romans 7 "Sin that dwells in me" Paul confessed that he was sinner.

God's Truth
March 8th, 2016, 09:34 AM
Where did you get that idea?

You are good at twisting things. The "WE" are Christians. If "WE" say that we have no sin...

John is explaining how those who want to be saved must admit they are sinners.

He says then the truth is not in us---if the truth is not in you---then you were never saved.




Just like when Paul said, Twice in Romans 7 "Sin that dwells in me" Paul confessed that he was sinner.

The Holy Spirit dwells in Paul after Jesus saved him.

There is GOOD that dwells in Paul.

Paul was speaking of his hopeless condition before he was saved.

Paul was explaining in a very exaggerated way what it was like for one under the law without faith to try to obey the old law.

Robert Pate
March 8th, 2016, 02:18 PM
John is explaining how those who want to be saved must admit they are sinners.

He says then the truth is not in us---if the truth is not in you---then you were never saved.



The Holy Spirit dwells in Paul after Jesus saved him.

There is GOOD that dwells in Paul.

Paul was speaking of his hopeless condition before he was saved.

Paul was explaining in a very exaggerated way what it was like for one under the law without faith to try to obey the old law.

Before Paul was saved he was a Pharisee. Pharisees, like you, don't confess that they are sinners.

The work of the Holy Spirit is to convict one of sin. It appears that you don't have the Holy Spirit because you think that you are without sin. As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we are sinners.

God's Truth
March 8th, 2016, 02:51 PM
Before Paul was saved he was a Pharisee. Pharisees, like you, don't confess that they are sinners.

The work of the Holy Spirit is to convict one of sin. It appears that you don't have the Holy Spirit because you think that you are without sin. As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we are sinners.

Jesus did not save the Pharisees because they did not obey and repent of their sins.

Jesus would not have saved me if I did not admit I was a sinner and confess and repent.

The scriptures say those in Christ DO NOT CONTINUE TO SIN.

Why are you accusing me and defending sin?

Robert Pate
March 9th, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jesus did not save the Pharisees because they did not obey and repent of their sins.

Jesus would not have saved me if I did not admit I was a sinner and confess and repent.

The scriptures say those in Christ DO NOT CONTINUE TO SIN.

Why are you accusing me and defending sin?


Because you are deceiving yourself, 1 John 1:8. and not teaching the truth.

You are in conflict with the scriptures, the Gospel and justification by faith.

jamie
March 9th, 2016, 03:19 PM
As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we are sinners.


Was Jesus ever in an Adamic body?

jamie
March 9th, 2016, 03:24 PM
Before Paul was saved he was a Pharisee.


And afterwards he was still a Pharisee.


But when Paul perceived that one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, “Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee; concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead I am being judged!” (Acts 23:6)

God's Truth
March 9th, 2016, 03:35 PM
Because you are deceiving yourself, 1 John 1:8. and not teaching the truth.

You are in conflict with the scriptures, the Gospel and justification by faith.

You do not understand that scripture, and in so doing, you deny the other scriptures.

Do not hang onto some falseness you have been entrapped with.

Those who are in Christ DO NOT CONTINUE TO SIN.

Address the truth or continue to be condemned with the rest of the world that does not obey.

God's Truth
March 9th, 2016, 03:36 PM
Nowhere anywhere are we told that we are to stay sinners to be saved.

beloved57
March 10th, 2016, 01:08 PM
Nowhere anywhere are we told that we are to stay sinners to be saved.
Those Christ died for are reconciled/saved while they are enemies and unbelievers! Rom 5:10!

Bright Raven
March 10th, 2016, 02:19 PM
Those Christ died for are reconciled/saved while they are enemies and unbelievers! Rom 5:10!

You are unsaved!