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CherubRam
February 27th, 2016, 06:30 PM
God is not a man

God is not a man: In Numbers 23:19 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Num%2023.19); "God is not a man..." defies the possibility that Yahshua The Messiah is God. The text states that: Yahwah is not an ("iys / man) that He should lie, nor the son of (Adam / Man")...

Malachi 3:6 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Mal%203.6)
I (the LORD / Yahwah) do not change...

Hosea 11:9 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Hos%2011.9)
I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man— the Holy One among you.

Psalm 80:17 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Ps%2080.17)
Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the son of man you have raised up for yourself.

Matthew 26:64 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Matt%2026.64)
"Yes, it is as you say," Yahshua replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matthew 22:41 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Matt%2022.41)
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Yahshua asked them, 42"What do you think about the Messiah ? Whose son is he?" "The son of David," they replied. 43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'lord'? For he says, 44" 'The Lord said to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." 45If then David calls him 'lord,' how can he be his son?"



Matthew 1:1 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Matt%201.1)
[ The Genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah ] This is the genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 1:20 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Matt%201.20)
But after he had considered this, an (angel/ messenger) of (the Lord / Yahwah) appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:27 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Luke%201.27)
to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David.

John 10:36 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%2010.36)
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

John 13:16 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%2013.16)
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

John 14:28 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%2014.28)
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Philippians 2:5-7 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Phil%202.5-7)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
That word "equal" could be translated in other words, such as, "equated," or "counted," or "equality."And the word robbery can translate as "obtainable." If Yahshua states that "The Father is greater than I" and refers to his Father in prayer as "You, the only true God," in (John 17:3 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/John%2017.3).) It's kind of obvious that he's not equal to the one who sent him. "God exalted him," he did not exalt himself !

Here is an alternate reading of Philippians 2:6 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Phil%202.6). Who being in the form of God did not think equality with God as obtainable.

God is the name of no one because it is a title. There are many gods, real, or imagined. Scholars insert the article "a" whenever they think it should apply. God, or, a god. All of the sons of God are gods because they have life immortal. Yahshua said he was a son of God, so therefore he was a god. Nowhere in scripture does Yahshua ever say he is the Father or Holy Spirit, whom the Father is the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit also being a name title and not a personal name. Yahwah informs us of only one personal name for Himself, and that name is Yahwah.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Exod%203.13-15).
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you. That is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

CherubRam
February 27th, 2016, 06:58 PM
Youuuu whoooo, where are you? Come out, come out, from where ever you are. Darn, the humans are hiding from me again! :)

patrick jane
February 27th, 2016, 07:25 PM
John 1:14 KJV -

keypurr
February 27th, 2016, 11:25 PM
John 1:14 KJV -

That only says that he is the son of God and God gave him glory.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 02:42 AM
Philippians 2:6. New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;


a. Footnotes: Philippians 2:6 Or, in the form of.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 02:55 AM
Numbers 23:19. King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Malachi 3:6
I (the LORD / Yahwah) do not change...

Scriptures literally states that God is not a man and that He does not change.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 04:14 AM
Numbers 23:19. King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Malachi 3:6
I (the LORD / Yahwah) do not change...

Scriptures literally states that God is not a man and that He does not change.

Jesus was no mere man.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 06:59 AM
Jesus was no mere man. In Christ's own words he states that he is (a god) chosen by the Father. Yahwah did not send Himself, He sent His son.

Caino
February 28th, 2016, 07:57 AM
The Son of God, who created our world and many others, incarnate as one of his own co-created humans. Jesus was and is forevermore both human and divine. The Jews didn't know and were to religiously proud to learn more. His heavenly name is Michael.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 09:20 AM
The Son of God, who created our world and many others, incarnate as one of his own co-created humans. Jesus was and is forevermore both human and divine. The Jews didn't know and were to religiously proud to learn more. His heavenly name is Michael. The bible states that Yahshua was with God before and during creation. There is no mention of Yahshua taking part in the creation. However Yahshua often took part in dealing with mankind. Michael is a flesh and blood man born in the last days. Jude 1:9 is a Gnostic corruption added to the book of Jude.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 09:56 AM
In Christ's own words he states that he is (a god) chosen by the Father. Yahwah did not send Himself, He sent His son.

When a person comes forth from someone---that person is called a daughter---or a son.

Jesus came forth from God, so he is called a Son.

Remember God is invisible and lives in unapproachable light. God also made Himself a body and then He made everything through that body.

There are three, God invisible, God with a body, and the Spirit which flows forth from God without limit.

Humans are flesh, but they are also spirit.

Jesus is God the Father in the flesh, because Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God Himself.

Our spirits are our spirits; Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit.

There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT, and that Spirit is God the Father's Spirit.

Caino
February 28th, 2016, 10:54 AM
The bible states that Yahshua was with God before and during creation. There is no mention of Yahshua taking part in the creation. However Yahshua often took part in dealing with mankind. Michael is a flesh and blood man born in the last days. Jude 1:9 is a Gnostic corruption added to the book of Jude.

Before Moses there was no Bible. The Bible doesn't mention tennis racquets but I'm sure I've seen them.

John saw Christ Michael in his vision on Patmos.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 10:59 AM
Before Moses there was no Bible. The Bible doesn't mention tennis racquets but I'm sure I've seen them.

John saw Christ Michael in his vision on Patmos.

There was always the WORD of God.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 12:02 PM
Before Moses there was no Bible. The Bible doesn't mention tennis racquets but I'm sure I've seen them.

John saw Christ Michael in his vision on Patmos. Revelation 1:19-20 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Rev%201.19-20).
“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. The mystery of the Seven Stars that you saw in my right hand and of the Seven Golden Lampsticks is this: The Seven Stars are the messengers of the Seven Congregations, and the Seven Lampsticks are the Seven Congregations. It was a vision of the future written in a parable.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 12:05 PM
When a person comes forth from someone---that person is called a daughter---or a son.

Jesus came forth from God, so he is called a Son.

Remember God is invisible and lives in unapproachable light. God also made Himself a body and then He made everything through that body.

There are three, God invisible, God with a body, and the Spirit which flows forth from God without limit.

Humans are flesh, but they are also spirit.

Jesus is God the Father in the flesh, because Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God Himself.

Our spirits are our spirits; Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit.

There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT, and that Spirit is God the Father's Spirit. Show us the scriptures that state Christ is the Holy Father or Holy Spirit.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 12:13 PM
The Son of God, who created our world and many others, incarnate as one of his own co-created humans. Jesus was and is forevermore both human and divine. The Jews didn't know and were to religiously proud to learn more. His heavenly name is Michael. It is impossible for Michael to be Christ. (Yahshua)


Revelation 12:7-11
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels (messengers) fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels (messengers) fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven (in Genesis God calls the earth heaven) any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels (messengers) were cast out with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

So how did Michael and his angels (messengers) overcome Satan?

Answer: By the Blood of the Lamb, and the word of their testimony.

So if Michael and his messengers overcame Satan by the blood of the LAMB, then how is that Michael is the Lamb?

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 12:14 PM
Show us the scriptures that state Christ is the Holy Father or Holy Spirit.

Scriptures that say Jesus is God the Father:

See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth. 1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.


Jesus says those who overcome he will be their GOD and they will be his CHILDREN.

See Revelation 21:7. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.

Jesus says when you SEE him, you have SEEN the Father.

See John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." John 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? John 12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.

God says Jesus will be called God, Father, and Holy Spirit. So that is what I call Jesus.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 12:16 PM
Show us the scriptures that state Christ is the Holy Father or Holy Spirit.

Corinthians 3:17, 18, and 1 Corinthians 15:45.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 12:18 PM
In the Old Testament, God calls HIMSELF THE FIRST AND THE LAST. That is exactly what Jesus calls himself in Revelation!

Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

JESUS calls HIMSELF the FIRST and the LAST in Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

Read Revelation 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.


Jesus calls himself the SAME EXACT name that God calls Himself. So then, why do you have a problem with my calling Jesus God?

patrick jane
February 28th, 2016, 12:21 PM
Isaiah 43:25 KJV - Hebrews 8:12 KJV

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 12:25 PM
Scriptures that say Jesus is God the Father:

See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth. 1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.


Jesus says those who overcome he will be their GOD and they will be his CHILDREN.

See Revelation 21:7. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.

Jesus says when you SEE him, you have SEEN the Father.

See John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." John 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? John 12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.

God says Jesus will be called God, Father, and Holy Spirit. So that is what I call Jesus.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Your quotes are out of context and you are making things up. Besides all of that this, your verse Isaiah 9:6 is not correct. Here is the correct translation:
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor of the Mighty God and Everlasting Father, ministering in Peace. (Or: leading in peace.)

way 2 go
February 28th, 2016, 02:33 PM
God is not a man

God is not a man

when ?

1Jn_4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 02:51 PM
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Your quotes are out of context and you are making things up. Besides all of that this, your verse Isaiah 9:6 is not correct. Here is the correct translation:


Did you really think your mere denial is a defense to truth?

What else do you got besides denying what I said?

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 04:13 PM
when ?

1Jn_4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Non-Trinitarians confess that Christ came in the flesh. That is not a problem.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 04:18 PM
Did you really think your mere denial is a defense to truth?

What else do you got besides denying what I said? You need to study the bible more in depth because you do not know what you are talking about. Here is some study tools for you: http://christianforum.boards.net/thread/307/online-bible-study-tools and http://christianforum.boards.net/thread/329/ancient-hebrew-chart

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 04:22 PM
You need to study the bible more in depth because you do not know what you are talking about. Here is some study tools for you: http://christianforum.boards.net/thread/307/online-bible-study-tools and http://christianforum.boards.net/thread/329/ancient-hebrew-chart

All you have are insults, anything else?

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 04:45 PM
All you have are insults, anything else? I would hope that you will make use of the tools. If you do not understand what I am saying, then try asking some questions.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 04:53 PM
I would hope that you will make use of the tools. If you do not understand what I am saying, then try asking some questions.

I don't care about your links, and I already asked the question.

Do you have anything else besides insults?

way 2 go
February 28th, 2016, 05:51 PM
Non-Trinitarians confess that Christ came in the flesh. That is not a problem.
depends on what you mean by not a problem.

atheist confess that Christ came in the flesh, it is 2016 because of Jesus.

6days
February 28th, 2016, 06:32 PM
Show us the scriptures that state Christ is the Holy Father or Holy Spirit.
You have seen the scripture but reject it. You need to spin what God's Word says to fit your doctrine.
"And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Isaiah 9:6

Caino
February 28th, 2016, 07:18 PM
It is impossible for Michael to be Christ. (Yahshua)


Revelation 12:7-11
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels (messengers) fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels (messengers) fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven (in Genesis God calls the earth heaven) any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels (messengers) were cast out with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

So how did Michael and his angels (messengers) overcome Satan?

Answer: By the Blood of the Lamb, and the word of their testimony.

So if Michael and his messengers overcame Satan by the blood of the LAMB, then how is that Michael is the Lamb?
While Michael was on earth his given Jewish name was Jesus. He defeated Satan on earth already. Johns vision on Patmos was part retrospective.

Caino
February 28th, 2016, 07:21 PM
There was always the WORD of God.
Not a written word, Hebrew dates to 900 BC.

CherubRam
February 28th, 2016, 07:56 PM
While Michael was on earth his given Jewish name was Jesus. He defeated Satan on earth already. Johns vision on Patmos was part retrospective. Revelation 1:19-20 (http://biblia.com/bible/niv/Rev%201.19-20).
“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. The mystery of the Seven Stars that you saw in my right hand and of the Seven Golden Lampsticks is this: The Seven Stars are the messengers of the Seven Congregations, and the Seven Lampsticks are the Seven Congregations. Your assertion does not agree with scriptures or the facts.

patrick jane
February 28th, 2016, 08:07 PM
While Michael was on earth his given Jewish name was Jesus. He defeated Satan on earth already. Johns vision on Patmos was part retrospective.


Galatians 1:8 KJV - Galatians 1:9 KJV -

God's Truth
February 29th, 2016, 12:44 AM
Not a written word, Hebrew dates to 900 BC.

What you say does not change the truth in what I said.

There was the written Word of God in heaven before earth.

Revelation 5:1
Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.

iamaberean
February 29th, 2016, 01:35 AM
God is not a man



Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
A man is not God, but God took on flesh in order to redeem us from sin.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Holy one of Israel means 'of the blood of Jacob'

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Caino
February 29th, 2016, 05:15 AM
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Galatians 1:8 KJV - Galatians 1:9 KJV -

Ha ha, Paul should have taken his own advise, he taught his own version of the original.

Caino
February 29th, 2016, 05:19 AM
What you say does not change the truth in what I said.

There was the written Word of God in heaven before earth.

Revelation 5:1
Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.

If that were true God could have read the books to see what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve so as not to act surprised when it happened. Maybe because it had seven seals on it?