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Jacob
February 25th, 2016, 06:17 PM
Here is a thread I started recently. God's commands in Jesus Christ. (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116644-God-s-commands-in-Jesus-Christ)
In Jesus Christ we have commands from God. What are these commands?In Jesus Christ we have commands from God. The commands of Jesus are the commands of God. Jesus taught only what God wanted Him to teach. He never said anything apart from what God wanted Him to say.

John the Baptist's words are here recorded in the gospel of John (not the same person). He said,

John 3:34 NASB - 34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure.

And then we do have that Jesus said of John the Baptist,

John 5:36 NASB - 36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish--the very works that I do--testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.

On New Testament Commands (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116689-New-Testament-Commands).
The commands of Jesus are the commands of God. Jesus said nothing apart from what God wanted Him to say.

But is the subject here New Testament commands, rather than the commands of Jesus?

Because the commands of Jesus are for or in the context of Israel or everyone, even in regard to the new covenant.

Some might think or say Jesus' commands were only for Israel, which can be considered, but isn't necessarily 100 percent true.Jesus brought the new covenant, which was spoken of beforehand by the prophet Jeremiah. The New Testament begins with the Gospel accounts. If you are looking for what Jesus taught you should begin here, even in regard to wanting to learn about the teachings of Jesus in regard to the new covenant.

Jesus is and was a Jew.

Galatians 4:4-5 NASB - 4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

In Jesus' word is the center of Christianity (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116695-Jesus-word-is-the-center-of-Christianity).
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... I believe God's instruction begins with the Torah and continues with the rest of the ... TaNaKh (Torah - Law, Nevi'im - Prophets, Ketuvim - Writings).

The teachings of Jesus are found in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament beginning with the four Gospel accounts Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.The prophet Jeremiah wrote,

Jeremiah 31:31 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

I'm not sure if the classification of the first four Gospels or the identification of the first four books of the New Testament came first. But if you want to learn about the new covenant from what Jesus said about it you should go first to these gospel accounts.

Luke 22:20 NASB - 20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

Other references to the new covenant (https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=new+covenant&t=NASB&ss=0#s=s_primary_0_1) came later.

We have these things and the teaching of Jesus in the Bible. God's commands in Jesus were for the nation of Israel.

Romans 3:19-20 NASB - 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

See back to Jeremiah,

Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

And then the Apostle Paul wrote the following (After Jews came to know Yeshua to be the Messiah (same words in regard to meaning, Jesus to be the Christ) Gentiles first came to faith by Peter, but Paul did go to the Gentiles and Gentiles did come to faith by him),

Ephesians 2:11-22 NASB - 11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands-- 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

So we know that Jews and Gentiles alike have come to faith.

Romans 3:29 NASB - 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,

Romans 15:5-13 NASB - 5 Now may the God who gives perseverance and encouragement grant you to be of the same mind with one another according to Christ Jesus, 6 so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God. 8 For I say that Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers, 9 and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written, "THEREFORE I WILL GIVE PRAISE TO YOU AMONG THE GENTILES, AND I WILL SING TO YOUR NAME." 10 Again he says, "REJOICE, O GENTILES, WITH HIS PEOPLE." 11 And again, "PRAISE THE LORD ALL YOU GENTILES, AND LET ALL THE PEOPLES PRAISE HIM." 12 Again Isaiah says, "THERE SHALL COME THE ROOT OF JESSE, AND HE WHO ARISES TO RULE OVER THE GENTILES, IN HIM SHALL THE GENTILES HOPE." 13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

So then, in Jesus Christ we have the coming of the new covenant. In Him we also have God's commands. The commands of Jesus are the commands of God.

What is the relationship between the new covenant and the commands of Jesus which are the commands of God?

jamie
February 25th, 2016, 07:44 PM
The church of God is the house of God, it is not the house of Israel nor the house of Judah.

It is the house of God that is being judged at this time.


For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)

Jacob
February 25th, 2016, 08:06 PM
The church of God is the house of God, it is not the house of Israel nor the house of Judah.

It is the house of God that is being judged at this time.


For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)
The new covenant was to be with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

We are to give no offense to anyone.

1 Corinthians 10:32 NASB - 32 Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God;

steko
February 25th, 2016, 08:13 PM
The new covenant was to be with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

We are to give no offense to anyone.

1 Corinthians 10:32 NASB - 32 Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God;

And....the house of Israel and the house of Judah have yet to be reunited in one stick- Ezek 37.

jamie
February 25th, 2016, 08:42 PM
The new covenant was to be with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.


And it will be in the kingdom of God.

A covenant is an agreement whereas a testament is a will. They are not the same.
A covenant does not have heirs, it is binding on the parties of the covenant.
What we have is a will of which we are heirs.


For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. (Hebrews 9:16-17)

Jacob
February 25th, 2016, 11:42 PM
And....the house of Israel and the house of Judah have yet to be reunited in one stick- Ezek 37.
The new covenant has already come, in Jesus Christ.

Jacob
February 26th, 2016, 03:09 AM
And it will be in the kingdom of God.

A covenant is an agreement whereas a testament is a will. They are not the same.
A covenant does not have heirs, it is binding on the parties of the covenant.
What we have is a will of which we are heirs.


For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. (Hebrews 9:16-17)

Jeremiah spoke of the new covenant and then Jesus spoke of the new covenant.

Jeremiah 31:

31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD.

33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

34 “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Luke 22

20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

journey
February 26th, 2016, 03:51 AM
Jesus Christ is God (God the Son), and He is One with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 22:36-40 KJV Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

intojoy
February 26th, 2016, 02:07 PM
The law of Liberty, the law of Christ, the perfect law is our rule of life today. There are hundreds of commands we need to accept and follow by faith in the Son of God

intojoy
February 26th, 2016, 02:11 PM
It has been fulfilled spiritually for all believers past present and future believers. In the material realm it is yet to be fulfilled, it will materialize with the second coming of Yeshua. Yeshua will not return until Israel and Judah ask Him to.

Jacob
February 26th, 2016, 02:21 PM
It has been fulfilled spiritually for all believers past present and future believers. In the material realm it is yet to be fulfilled, it will materialize with the second coming of Yeshua. Yeshua will not return until Israel and Judah ask Him to.
When you say, it has been fulfilled spiritually for all believers past present and future believers, what are you saying has been fulfilled?

intojoy
February 26th, 2016, 10:29 PM
Well I think it is the atonement because it was only after the resurrection that paradise was emptied and the OT believers brought into heaven (another temporal abode). Is that wrong?

Jacob
February 27th, 2016, 09:28 PM
Well I think it is the atonement because it was only after the resurrection that paradise was emptied and the OT believers brought into heaven (another temporal abode). Is that wrong?
I am not familiar with what you are talking about.

Interplanner
February 27th, 2016, 10:39 PM
The law of Liberty, the law of Christ, the perfect law is our rule of life today. There are hundreds of commands we need to accept and follow by faith in the Son of God

Not in the same way or sense as the law, though. They are done freely and creatively. "About such things (the fruit of the Spirit) you don't make laws."

intojoy
March 3rd, 2016, 10:26 PM
The Law was different yes. Because it made an increase of sins. But it is the same in this sense; The law of Christ is our rule of conduct in all affairs pertaining to man. The law of Moses was for the believer the rule of conduct for life BC.

The law of Christ is similar to Noah's law, Adam's law. Similar in that it was for us what their laws was for them BC. However, the law of Noah is still the rule of life for unbelievers. At the great white throne judgement Gentiles will be condemned based upon their failure to keep Noahic Law.

Jacob
March 3rd, 2016, 10:46 PM
The Law was different yes. Because it made an increase of sins. But it is the same in this sense; The law of Christ is our rule of conduct in all affairs pertaining to man. The law of Moses was for the believer the rule of conduct for life BC.

The law of Christ is similar to Noah's law, Adam's law. Similar in that it was for us what their laws was for them BC. However, the law of Noah is still the rule of life for unbelievers. At the great white throne judgement Gentiles will be condemned based upon their failure to keep Noahic Law.

That the Law made sin utterly sinful is different from an increase of sins.

Sin was made utterly sinful.

Romans 7:13 NASB - 13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

With the Law the transgression increased; where sin increased grace abounded all the more.

Romans 5:20 NASB - 20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

"through the law"

Romans 7:8, 11, 13 NASB - 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. ... 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. ... 13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

Noachic law or Noachide laws are for all mankind, while the Law of Moses is for the nation of Israel and the world.

Romans 3:19 NASB - 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;

intojoy
March 4th, 2016, 01:08 AM
The law of Moses was only for Israel.

Zeke
March 4th, 2016, 04:51 AM
Here is a thread I started recently. God's commands in Jesus Christ. (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116644-God-s-commands-in-Jesus-Christ)In Jesus Christ we have commands from God. The commands of Jesus are the commands of God. Jesus taught only what God wanted Him to teach. He never said anything apart from what God wanted Him to say.

John the Baptist's words are here recorded in the gospel of John (not the same person). He said,

John 3:34 NASB - 34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure.

And then we do have that Jesus said of John the Baptist,

John 5:36 NASB - 36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish--the very works that I do--testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.

On New Testament Commands (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116689-New-Testament-Commands).Jesus brought the new covenant, which was spoken of beforehand by the prophet Jeremiah. The New Testament begins with the Gospel accounts. If you are looking for what Jesus taught you should begin here, even in regard to wanting to learn about the teachings of Jesus in regard to the new covenant.

Jesus is and was a Jew.

Galatians 4:4-5 NASB - 4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, 5 so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

In Jesus' word is the center of Christianity (http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116695-Jesus-word-is-the-center-of-Christianity).The prophet Jeremiah wrote,

Jeremiah 31:31 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

I'm not sure if the classification of the first four Gospels or the identification of the first four books of the New Testament came first. But if you want to learn about the new covenant from what Jesus said about it you should go first to these gospel accounts.

Luke 22:20 NASB - 20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

Other references to the new covenant (https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=new+covenant&t=NASB&ss=0#s=s_primary_0_1) came later.

We have these things and the teaching of Jesus in the Bible. God's commands in Jesus were for the nation of Israel.

Romans 3:19-20 NASB - 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

See back to Jeremiah,

Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

And then the Apostle Paul wrote the following (After Jews came to know Yeshua to be the Messiah (same words in regard to meaning, Jesus to be the Christ) Gentiles first came to faith by Peter, but Paul did go to the Gentiles and Gentiles did come to faith by him),

Ephesians 2:11-22 NASB - 11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands-- 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

So we know that Jews and Gentiles alike have come to faith.

Romans 3:29 NASB - 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,

Romans 15:5-13 NASB - 5 Now may the God who gives perseverance and encouragement grant you to be of the same mind with one another according to Christ Jesus, 6 so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God. 8 For I say that Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers, 9 and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written, "THEREFORE I WILL GIVE PRAISE TO YOU AMONG THE GENTILES, AND I WILL SING TO YOUR NAME." 10 Again he says, "REJOICE, O GENTILES, WITH HIS PEOPLE." 11 And again, "PRAISE THE LORD ALL YOU GENTILES, AND LET ALL THE PEOPLES PRAISE HIM." 12 Again Isaiah says, "THERE SHALL COME THE ROOT OF JESSE, AND HE WHO ARISES TO RULE OVER THE GENTILES, IN HIM SHALL THE GENTILES HOPE." 13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

So then, in Jesus Christ we have the coming of the new covenant. In Him we also have God's commands. The commands of Jesus are the commands of God.

What is the relationship between the new covenant and the commands of Jesus which are the commands of God?

Matt 11:11 puts a proper line between John the earthly man and Jesus the Spirit within man Galatians 1:12, 1Cor 15:45, Galatians 4:23-28. two births one natural the other spiritual, trying to put historic skin on the Spirit is a rabbit hole with no bottom.

Jacob
March 4th, 2016, 11:22 AM
The law of Moses was only for Israel.

I see that in one sense but still believe that even if that is true, and the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments are God's Law, we still have that by it all the world is made or held accountable to God.

God has given Israel His Torah.

Those in Israel were all to live by one Law. And those who were of Israel outside the land could would or should live by that same law. Then what of those who wanted to become of Israel or worship the God of Israel?

Isaiah 56:1-8 NASB - 1 Thus says the LORD,"Preserve justice and do righteousness,For My salvation is about to comeAnd My righteousness to be revealed. 2 "How blessed is the man who does this,And the son of man who takes hold of it;Who keeps from profaning the sabbath,And keeps his hand from doing any evil." 3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,"The LORD will surely separate me from His people."Nor let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." 4 For thus says the LORD,"To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,And choose what pleases Me,And hold fast My covenant, 5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,And a name better than that of sons and daughters;I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off. 6 "Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD,To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD,To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbathAnd holds fast My covenant; 7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountainAnd make them joyful in My house of prayer.Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples." 8 The Lord GOD, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,"Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered."

Jacob
March 4th, 2016, 11:38 AM
Matt 11:11 puts a proper line between John the earthly man and Jesus the Spirit within man Galatians 1:12, 1Cor 15:45, Galatians 4:23-28. two births one natural the other spiritual, trying to put historic skin on the Spirit is a rabbit hole with no bottom.

I see you referring to Adam, Abraham, Sarah and Isaac, Hagar and Ishmael, (Isaac the son of Abraham and Sarah was born after Ishmael of Abraham and Hagar), and Jesus. My understanding is that Jesus is not a Spirit.

Interplanner
March 5th, 2016, 08:27 PM
That the Law made sin utterly sinful is different from an increase of sins.

Sin was made utterly sinful.

Romans 7:13 NASB - 13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

With the Law the transgression increased; where sin increased grace abounded all the more.

Romans 5:20 NASB - 20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

"through the law"

Romans 7:8, 11, 13 NASB - 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. ... 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. ... 13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

Noachic law or Noachide laws are for all mankind, while the Law of Moses is for the nation of Israel and the world.

Romans 3:19 NASB - 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;


How could something possibly be for all nations while the other is for Israel and the world. It's really that the Law of Moses was for Israel but contains some pre-existing and on-going universal application apart from ceremonies and dietary items.

Jacob
March 5th, 2016, 10:07 PM
How could something possibly be for all nations while the other is for Israel and the world. It's really that the Law of Moses was for Israel but contains some pre-existing and on-going universal application apart from ceremonies and dietary items.Here is what the scripture reveals "God spoke to Noah" after the flood.

Genesis 8:15-22 NASB - 15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 "Go out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and your sons' wives with you. 17 "Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you, birds and animals and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, that they may breed abundantly on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth." 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him. 19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every bird, everything that moves on the earth, went out by their families from the ark. 20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done. 22 "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, And cold and heat, And summer and winter, And day and night Shall not cease."

Here "God blessed Noah and his sons and said this to them".

Genesis 9:1-19 NASB - 1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 "The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given. 3 "Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. 4 "Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. 5 "Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man's brother I will require the life of man. 6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man. 7 "As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it." 8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, 9 "Now behold, I Myself do establish My covenant with you, and with your descendants after you; 10 and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you; of all that comes out of the ark, even every beast of the earth. 11 "I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth." 12 God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all successive generations; 13 I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth. 14 "It shall come about, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow will be seen in the cloud, 15 and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 "When the bow is in the cloud, then I will look upon it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth." 17 And God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth." 18 Now the sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem and Ham and Japheth; and Ham was the father of Canaan. 19 These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.

intojoy
March 5th, 2016, 10:12 PM
I'll say this, and you can think about it, I thought today about how Paul tried going back under the Law of Moses to gain sanctification and failed. The law shows us that man is not going to sanctify himself by any religious outworking of any set of laws be they Hindu, Muslim, Romanism etc because in the Law God gave to Israel man can see a perfect standard of righteousness and if Israel did not attain spiritual maturity by it then no other religiousity is going to produce Holy living!

Paul said that he was apart from the law once. What he is saying is that early on in his born again life, he thought sanctification could be achieved thru the Law of Moses. He quickly learned the folly of that assumption.

The writer of the book of Hebrews states that the entire 613 (not just 10) laws of Moses is now been rendered inoperable.

Jacob
March 5th, 2016, 10:22 PM
I'll say this, and you can think about it, I thought today about how Paul tried going back under the Law of Moses to gain sanctification and failed. The law shows us that man is not going to sanctify himself by any religious outworking of any set of laws be they Hindu, Muslim, Romanism etc because in the Law God gave to Israel man can see a perfect standard of righteousness and if Israel did not attain spiritual maturity by it then no other religiousity is going to produce Holy living!

Paul said that he was apart from the law once. What he is saying is that early on in his born again life, he thought sanctification could be achieved thru the Law of Moses. He quickly learned the folly of that assumption.

The writer of the book of Hebrews states that the entire 613 (not just 10) laws of Moses is now been rendered inoperable.
I don't believe you understand the truth. At least the things you are talking about are off the mark.

God's Torah was given to the nation of Israel.

Paul kept it though he came to understand his own shortcomings (all have sinned). He preached Christ crucified, salvation by grace through faith.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 01:47 AM
And it will be in the kingdom of God.

A covenant is an agreement whereas a testament is a will.

You are wrong. New Testament means New Covenant.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 01:54 AM
That the Law made sin utterly sinful is different from an increase of sins.

Sin was made utterly sinful.

Romans 7:13 NASB - 13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

With the Law the transgression increased; where sin increased grace abounded all the more.

Romans 5:20 NASB - 20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

"through the law"

Romans 7:8, 11, 13 NASB - 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. ... 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. ... 13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

Noachic law or Noachide laws are for all mankind, while the Law of Moses is for the nation of Israel and the world.

Romans 3:19 NASB - 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;

There is no such thing as Noahide laws. You have been listening to rabbis.

The Gentiles were WITHOUT God in this world because they did not obey the law as given by Moses.

Do you understand that?

Ephesians 2:12
remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 01:57 AM
I see that in one sense but still believe that even if that is true, and the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments are God's Law, we still have that by it all the world is made or held accountable to God.

God has given Israel His Torah.

Those in Israel were all to live by one Law. And those who were of Israel outside the land could would or should live by that same law. Then what of those who wanted to become of Israel or worship the God of Israel?

Isaiah 56:1-8 NASB - 1 Thus says the LORD,"Preserve justice and do righteousness,For My salvation is about to comeAnd My righteousness to be revealed. 2 "How blessed is the man who does this,And the son of man who takes hold of it;Who keeps from profaning the sabbath,And keeps his hand from doing any evil." 3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,"The LORD will surely separate me from His people."Nor let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." 4 For thus says the LORD,"To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,And choose what pleases Me,And hold fast My covenant, 5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,And a name better than that of sons and daughters;I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off. 6 "Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD,To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD,To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbathAnd holds fast My covenant; 7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountainAnd make them joyful in My house of prayer.Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples." 8 The Lord GOD, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,"Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered."

You are contradicting yourself, what happened to the "Noahide laws"?

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 02:00 AM
I see you referring to Adam, Abraham, Sarah and Isaac, Hagar and Ishmael, (Isaac the son of Abraham and Sarah was born after Ishmael of Abraham and Hagar), and Jesus. My understanding is that Jesus is not a Spirit.

Jesus says his words are Spirit and the flesh counts for nothing.

The scriptures also says the Lord IS THE SPIRIT. See 2 Corinthians 2:17.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 02:14 AM
There is no such thing as Noahide laws. You have been listening to rabbis.

The Gentiles were WITHOUT God in this world because they did not obey the law as given by Moses.

Do you understand that?

Ephesians 2:12
remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.
There is such a thing. But as you know these are not found in the scriptures I have now quoted.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 02:17 AM
You are contradicting yourself, what happened to the "Noahide laws"?
I don't see a contradiction. Read the scriptures about Noah and Noah and his sons. Some of this goes back to Adam. God has commands for all mankind.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 02:21 AM
Jesus says his words are Spirit and the flesh counts for nothing.

The scriptures also says the Lord IS THE SPIRIT. See 2 Corinthians 2:17.
Yes, but in Ishmael we have God's promise and Isaac was the son of promise.

It was Jacob or rather Israel (in the Bible Jacob's name was changed to Israel) who bore the twelve sons that became (or, from which came) the twelve tribes of Israel.

jamie
March 6th, 2016, 09:15 AM
You are wrong. New Testament means New Covenant.


Who died?


For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. (Hebrews 9:16-17)

The New Testament is in force because someone died.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 09:19 AM
Who died?


For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. (Hebrews 9:16-17)

The New Testament is in force because someone died.

You do not even know who died?

Jesus came and taught us the commands for the New Covenant, then he died and shed his blood for the New Covenant.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 09:22 AM
Yes, but in Ishmael we have God's promise and Isaac was the son of promise.

It was Jacob or rather Israel (in the Bible Jacob's name was changed to Israel) who bore the twelve sons that became (or, from which came) the twelve tribes of Israel.

What exactly are you saying? What does this have to do with what I said?

By the way, what is it you are saying about Ishmael?

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 09:25 AM
There is such a thing. But as you know these are not found in the scriptures I have now quoted.

The Gentiles were separate from God and Christ because they did not follow the regulations of the law, such as get circumcised.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 09:29 AM
I don't see a contradiction. Read the scriptures about Noah and Noah and his sons. Some of this goes back to Adam. God has commands for all mankind.

Again, you got those things from listening to 'rabbis'. Jesus says not to call anyone 'rabbi', yet you go to those who call themselves 'rabbi' against Jesus' teachings.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 09:34 AM
I don't believe you understand the truth. At least the things you are talking about are off the mark.

God's Torah was given to the nation of Israel.

Paul kept it though he came to understand his own shortcomings (all have sinned). He preached Christ crucified, salvation by grace through faith.

Anyone could have converted to Judaism.

Paul did not keep the old law, except not to break the rules and regulations to go into the temple. He went to the temple to speak about Jesus to the Jews there.

He spoke against circumcision and the observance of special days, and he spoke against the dietary laws. Paul also ate with Gentiles, which was against the law.

jamie
March 6th, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jesus came and taught us the commands for the New Covenant, then he died and shed his blood for the New Covenant.


What you refer as a New Covenant was just a new covenant to his disciples who had lived subject to the Mosaic covenant. However, God had promised an everlasting covenant to Abraham which included people of all nations being blessed through Abraham, not Moses. This is the covenant Jesus established for everyone on earth.

Interplanner
March 6th, 2016, 09:55 AM
What you refer as a New Covenant was just a new covenant to his disciples who had lived subject to the Mosaic covenant. However, God had promised an everlasting covenant to Abraham which included people of all nations being blessed through Abraham, not Moses. This is the covenant Jesus established for everyone on earth.


Jamie, you're making a distinction that doesn't exist. There is no however to insert here. The last lines of your paragraph are the same covenant.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 10:16 AM
What you refer as a New Covenant was just a new covenant to his disciples who had lived subject to the Mosaic covenant.
No, Jesus' covenant is to EVERYONE, Jews and Gentiles.




However, God had promised an everlasting covenant to Abraham which included people of all nations being blessed through Abraham, not Moses.

Jesus is the promised new covenant.




This is the covenant Jesus established for everyone on earth.

Why don't you know that you contradicted yourself?

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jamie, you're making a distinction that doesn't exist. There is no however to insert here. The last lines of your paragraph are the same covenant.

I am so glad you see that too.

jamie
March 6th, 2016, 12:45 PM
There is no however to insert here. The last lines of your paragraph are the same covenant.


So you believe the Mosaic covenant is everlasting as is the covenant God made with Abraham and Christ?

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 12:55 PM
What exactly are you saying? What does this have to do with what I said?

By the way, what is it you are saying about Ishmael?

You were responding to a post that was not addressed to you. That is okay, but I clarified my answer according to your observation.

Here are some verses relevant to the topic.

Genesis 17:20 NASB - 20 "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

Romans 4:1 NASB - 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?

Galatians 4:23 NASB - 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.

Galatians 4:28 NASB - 28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.

See, "according to the flesh" (https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=according+to+the+flesh&t=NASB&ss=0#s=s_primary_0_1).

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 01:02 PM
The Gentiles were separate from God and Christ because they did not follow the regulations of the law, such as get circumcised.

The Gentiles had God's commands even without the Law.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 01:04 PM
Again, you got those things from listening to 'rabbis'. Jesus says not to call anyone 'rabbi', yet you go to those who call themselves 'rabbi' against Jesus' teachings.

I have sat under three Rabbis and I don't remember if any of them mentioned this. I am presenting to you what the scriptures say with the hope that you will accept what the scriptures say.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 01:05 PM
Anyone could have converted to Judaism.

Paul did not keep the old law, except not to break the rules and regulations to go into the temple. He went to the temple to speak about Jesus to the Jews there.

He spoke against circumcision and the observance of special days, and he spoke against the dietary laws. Paul also ate with Gentiles, which was against the law.

There was nothing to the false accusations against Paul.

Acts 21:24 NASB - 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 01:53 PM
There was nothing to the false accusations against Paul.

Acts 21:24 NASB - 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.

You are going to have to come to the terms as to why the Apostles were killed by the Jews.

If the Apostles followed and enforced the old law, then they would not have been killed.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 01:55 PM
I have sat under three Rabbis and I don't remember if any of them mentioned this. I am presenting to you what the scriptures say with the hope that you will accept what the scriptures say.

It is a teaching of the 'rabbis'. You say you went against Jesus and sat under those who call themselves 'rabbi'. Jesus says not to call yourself 'rabbi'. So why do you go to those that do not obey?

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 01:59 PM
The Gentiles had God's commands even without the Law.

That does not make sense.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 02:00 PM
You were responding to a post that was not addressed to you. That is okay, but I clarified my answer according to your observation.

Here are some verses relevant to the topic.

Genesis 17:20 NASB - 20 "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

Romans 4:1 NASB - 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?

Galatians 4:23 NASB - 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise.

Galatians 4:28 NASB - 28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.

See, "according to the flesh" (https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=according+to+the+flesh&t=NASB&ss=0#s=s_primary_0_1).

You are right, it does not matter to whom you addressed your post.

Now as for Ishmael, why did you bring him up?

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 02:02 PM
So you believe the Mosaic covenant is everlasting as is the covenant God made with Abraham and Christ?

The Mosaic covenant is fulfilled in Christ.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 02:47 PM
You are going to have to come to the terms as to why the Apostles were killed by the Jews.

If the Apostles followed and enforced the old law, then they would not have been killed.

Your understanding is wrong. They were killed because they loved God and others as God wanted them to, even unto death, as Yeshua did for your salvation.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 02:48 PM
It is a teaching of the 'rabbis'. You say you went against Jesus and sat under those who call themselves 'rabbi'. Jesus says not to call yourself 'rabbi'. So why do you go to those that do not obey?

I don't understand what you are saying completely, but there are teachers in the church.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 02:52 PM
That does not make sense.

Not everyone is of Israel. But we are all from Adam even unto Noah (and his sons), and those who have faith are of Abraham spiritually rather than according to the flesh, unless they are of Abraham according to the flesh as well. Those who are descended from Israel (the person) are Israel (the nation), though not all Israel is Israel (not all of Israel is of faith). So (those of) Israel is (and are) God's chosen people.

The early church was entirely Jewish until there were Gentiles among them.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 02:57 PM
You are right, it does not matter to whom you addressed your post.

Now as for Ishmael, why did you bring him up?

Because of God's promise, while I can say Isaac who was born afterward but of Sarah is called the son or child of promise. Abraham and Sarah decided upon something different from what God had promised. This is how Ishmael was born of Hagar. Genesis 17:20 NASB contains the promise I was speaking of.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 02:58 PM
I don't understand what you are saying completely, but there are teachers in the church.

You do not call those teachers 'Teacher' do you, or 'father', or 'rabbi'?

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 02:59 PM
Your understanding is wrong. They were killed because they loved God and others as God wanted them to, even unto death, as Yeshua did for your salvation.

So then, you do not know why Jesus and the Apostles were killed. Instead of admitting you do not know, you go on as if you know.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 03:20 PM
You are going to have to come to the terms as to why the Apostles were killed by the Jews.

If the Apostles followed and enforced the old law, then they would not have been killed.

You are incorrect. They were killed for obeying Jesus.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 03:21 PM
You do not call those teachers 'Teacher' do you, or 'father', or 'rabbi'?

Do you call a teacher your teacher? Do you give double honor to your elders, those who labor in the word?

1 Timothy 5:17 NASB - 17 The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 03:23 PM
So then, you do not know why Jesus and the Apostles were killed. Instead of admitting you do not know, you go on as if you know.

Over ten years ago I made a statement about why they were killed, very similar to what I just shared with you. They went to their deaths preaching and proclaiming the word of God, the gospel (of salvation in Jesus Christ).

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 03:51 PM
You are incorrect. They were killed for obeying Jesus.

You are saying anything so that you do not have to admit you are wrong.

You claim the Apostles were killed because they obeyed the old law.

That is nonsense.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 03:57 PM
Do you call a teacher your teacher?

I do not have a teacher in Christ.




Do you give double honor to your elders, those who labor in the word?

I am not taught by 'elders' in a denomination.

Jesus does not say do not call anyone elder.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 03:58 PM
Over ten years ago I made a statement about why they were killed, very similar to what I just shared with you. They went to their deaths preaching and proclaiming the word of God, the gospel (of salvation in Jesus Christ).

You said they followed the old law. If they followed the old law, they would not have been killed.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 05:49 PM
You said they followed the old law. If they followed the old law, they would not have been killed.
Jesus was killed in violation of God's Law, which you have here called the old law. I believe it was the same with the Apostles. God's Law says to love God and your neighbor.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 05:51 PM
I do not have a teacher in Christ.



I am not taught by 'elders' in a denomination.

Jesus does not say do not call anyone elder.
You are mistaken about Biblical truth.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 06:00 PM
You are saying anything so that you do not have to admit you are wrong.

You claim the Apostles were killed because they obeyed the old law.

That is nonsense.

Jesus taught God's commands. Did He teach God's commands found in the Law? I believe yes.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jesus was killed in violation of God's Law, which you have here called the old law. I believe it was the same with the Apostles. God's Law says to love God and your neighbor.

You said the apostles obeyed the old law.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 08:19 PM
You are mistaken about Biblical truth.

lol

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jesus observed and taught the Law.

The Apostles did not speak against the Law.

What makes you believe I referred, in your terms, to "the old law"? Where and what, or in what manner, is that to which you would now need to refer?

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 08:36 PM
Do you see reference to a teacher in the church according to Ephesians 4?

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 09:04 PM
Ephesians 4:11-13 NASB - 11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jesus observed and taught the Law.

The Apostles did not speak against the Law.

What makes you believe I referred, in your terms, to "the old law"? Where and what, or in what manner, is that to which you would now need to refer?

Moses came with the law, not Jesus.

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 10:23 PM
Ephesians 4:11-13 NASB - 11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

There might be a teacher, but not The Teacher.

There is no man to be coined The Teacher.

Jesus is the Teacher.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 11:17 PM
Moses came with the law, not Jesus.

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The law was given by God to the nation of Israel, including through the prophet Moses.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 11:19 PM
There might be a teacher, but not The Teacher.

There is no man to be coined The Teacher.

Jesus is the Teacher.

It is true that there is no "The Teacher". Jesus is the Teacher. And we have the Holy Spirit. There are teachers in the church. This does not mean there is one teacher in the church, except it be Jesus. See, others are teachers as well, but they can only be said to be teaching truth when what they say is from Jesus by the Holy Spirit and in accordance with the word of God (previous revelation, the revelation of scripture both Old and New Testaments).

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 11:23 PM
The law was given by God to the nation of Israel, including through the prophet Moses.

You remind me of another member named Untellectual. I wonder where he has been.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 11:25 PM
It is true that there is no "The Teacher". Jesus is the Teacher. And we have the Holy Spirit. There are teachers in the church. This does not mean there is one teacher in the church, except it be Jesus. See, others are teachers as well, but they can only be said to be teaching truth when what they say is from Jesus by the Holy Spirit and in accordance with the word of God (previous revelation, the revelation of scripture both Old and New Testaments).

Jesus did not want one superior over the others.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 11:35 PM
You remind me of another member named Untellectual. I wonder where he has been.

I went by Untellectual on TOL until just recently. My name is Jacob. Untellectual was not another name for me. It was just the name I went by or chose on TOL.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jesus did not want one superior over the others.

I don't believe there are superiors in the church.

God's Truth
March 6th, 2016, 11:43 PM
I went by Untellectual on TOL until just recently. My name is Jacob. Untellectual was not another name for me. It was just the name I went by or chose on TOL.

Glad to see you still around here.

Jacob
March 6th, 2016, 11:53 PM
Glad to see you still around here.
Thank you.

God's Truth
March 7th, 2016, 07:19 AM
Thank you.

You are welcome.

That picture you use for an avatar, it is not clear. What are you doing in the picture?

Jacob
March 7th, 2016, 11:45 AM
You are welcome.

That picture you use for an avatar, it is not clear. What are you doing in the picture?

The picture is of me and a fish I caught.

God's Truth
March 7th, 2016, 12:06 PM
The picture is of me and a fish I caught.

Oh cool, you fish a lot? What kind of fish?

Jacob
March 7th, 2016, 12:13 PM
Oh cool, you fish a lot? What kind of fish?
I was able to fish this year. It is a Salmon.

intojoy
March 10th, 2016, 09:27 PM
Well, I'm not antinomian

Jacob
March 10th, 2016, 09:44 PM
Well, I'm not antinomian
God's grace and at least one command of God! Salvation is by grace through faith. It is not of works. But there are works for us to do. The one command of God is not all there is, but admitting there are laws or commands might be difficult for the antinomian. May God bless you in your walk with Him.

intojoy
March 11th, 2016, 05:18 AM
Yeshua died not only for the sins that were committed after His death, but also for the sins committed prior to His death. He died not just for the sins of New Testament saints, but also for the sins of Old Testament saints. God could have judged the Old Testament saints immediately , but He deferred their judgment until the cross. Then that judgment fell upon the Messiah as their substitute as well as the substitute for New Testament believers. In that way, their sins were removed.

This is taught by Acts 17:30: The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now he commands men that they should all everywhere repent: ...

He made the same point in Romans 3:25: ... whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; ... Again, he pointed out that the sins committed before the death of the Messiah could have been judged immediately , but they were deferred, temporarily overlooked or “passed over,” until the death of the Messiah as their substitute.

In Hebrews 10:4, the writer said: For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

Animal sacrifice did not and could not remove the sins of the Old Testament saints; it merely covered them temporarily . Once the Messiah died, only then were their sins removed as well.

Jacob
March 11th, 2016, 01:06 PM
Yeshua died not only for the sins that were committed after His death, but also for the sins committed prior to His death. He died not just for the sins of New Testament saints, but also for the sins of Old Testament saints. God could have judged the Old Testament saints immediately , but He deferred their judgment until the cross. Then that judgment fell upon the Messiah as their substitute as well as the substitute for New Testament believers. In that way, their sins were removed.

This is taught by Acts 17:30: The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now he commands men that they should all everywhere repent: ...

He made the same point in Romans 3:25: ... whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; ... Again, he pointed out that the sins committed before the death of the Messiah could have been judged immediately , but they were deferred, temporarily overlooked or “passed over,” until the death of the Messiah as their substitute.

In Hebrews 10:4, the writer said: For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

Animal sacrifice did not and could not remove the sins of the Old Testament saints; it merely covered them temporarily . Once the Messiah died, only then were their sins removed as well.

I see all that you have posted here, and I know it is together as one. For your sake I hope you are right. As for me, I don't know how to respond. The difficulty for me is not knowing what question or questions to ask.