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CherubRam
February 24th, 2016, 02:41 PM
Living Water of Life.
Yahwah is the source of life immortal.

Jeremiah 2:13
“My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

Jeremiah 17:13
Lord, you are the hope of Israel; all who forsake you will be put to shame. Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken Yahwah, the spring of living water.

John 4:14
but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 22:1
Then the messenger showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

Zechariah 14:8
On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

Psalm 135:21
Praise be to Yahwah from Zion, to Him who dwells in Jerusalem. Praise Yahwah.
After Yahwah has made all things new He will dwell in Jerusalem.

John 4:10
Yahshua answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

John 4:11
“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water?

John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

jamie
February 24th, 2016, 03:13 PM
Zechariah 14:8
On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.


This is a reference to the Gihon Spring which provided running water to the Temple to flush away the blood from sacrifices.

The Temple sat above and slightly to the west of this spring.

Jamie Gigliotti
February 25th, 2016, 01:05 PM
Yes Jesus is the well of living water, cleansing our hearts, minds and souls. He fills us with life, light, love and goodness. It is a gift from Him, we must drink.

CherubRam
February 25th, 2016, 02:34 PM
This is a reference to the Gihon Spring which provided running water to the Temple to flush away the blood from sacrifices.

The Temple sat above and slightly to the west of this spring.

Jeremiah 17:13
Lord, you are the hope of Israel; all who forsake you will be put to shame. Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken Yahwah, the spring of living water.
Our Holy Father's personal name is Yahwah.

God's Truth
February 25th, 2016, 03:13 PM
The spring of water is the Holy Spirit.


John 7:37 On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

jamie
February 25th, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jeremiah 17:13 is not the scripture I addressed.

CherubRam
February 26th, 2016, 10:23 AM
The spring of water is the Holy Spirit.


John 7:37 On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Holy Spirit is a title for our Holy Father.

CherubRam
February 26th, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jeremiah 17:13 is not the scripture I addressed.
Yes, I know. I just added it, to make it clear that life flows from Yahwah.

God's Truth
February 26th, 2016, 07:47 PM
Holy Spirit is a title for our Holy Father.

They are the same.

Bright Raven
February 26th, 2016, 08:34 PM
They are the same.

Nope, wrong as usual. That's Sabellianism

God's Truth
February 26th, 2016, 08:58 PM
Nope, wrong as usual. That's Sabellianism

The scriptures say living water is the Holy Spirit.

The scriptures say the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

Bright Raven
February 26th, 2016, 09:02 PM
The scriptures say living water is the Holy Spirit.

The scriptures say the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

Nope, that is twice. Wrong again. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct persons. You are caught up in a form of Modalism called Sabellianism

God's Truth
February 26th, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jesus gives the Holy Spirit, the Living Water.

John 4:14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

John 4:10
Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."


In this next scripture God says that HE IS the LIVING WATER.

Jeremiah 2:13
"My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

These scriptures say the Living Water is the Holy Spirit.

John 7:37
On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink.

John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them."

John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Bright Raven
February 26th, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jesus gives the Holy Spirit, the Living Water.

John 4:14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

John 4:10
Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."


In this next scripture God says that HE IS the LIVING WATER.

Jeremiah 2:13
"My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

These scriptures say the Living Water is the Holy Spirit.

John 7:37
On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink.

John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them."

John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

So, Read this;

1 John 5:7 New King James Version (NKJV)

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

God's Truth
February 26th, 2016, 09:20 PM
So, Read this;

1 John 5:7 New King James Version (NKJV)

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

I would love to explain that scripture to you, but first acknowledge those scriptures I have already given.

Bright Raven
February 26th, 2016, 09:23 PM
I would love to explain that scripture to you, but first acknowledge those scriptures I have already given.

What would you like me to acknowledge, that they are God's word or that you have completely misinterpreted them.

God's Truth
February 26th, 2016, 09:27 PM
What would you like me to acknowledge, that they are God's word or that you have completely misinterpreted them. Prove it that I have done that; explain those scriptures instead of merely posting another scripture.

Bright Raven
February 27th, 2016, 09:34 AM
Prove it that I have done that; explain those scriptures instead of merely posting another scripture.
I'll tell you what they do not mean. They don't mean the Father is the Holy Spirit, nor do they mean that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. The Father sent the Holy Spirit in Jesus name.

John 14:26 New King James Version (NKJV)

26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

He is separate from the Father and the Son.

God's Truth
February 27th, 2016, 10:02 AM
The scriptures say God the Father is the living water, and that He is Spirit, and Jesus gives us that Spirit when we are saved.

CherubRam
February 27th, 2016, 11:03 AM
The scriptures say God the Father is the living water, and that He is Spirit, and Jesus gives us that Spirit when we are saved.

That is correct. I wish the others would be more careful how they word things.

Bright Raven
February 27th, 2016, 11:55 AM
The scriptures say God the Father is the living water, and that He is Spirit, and Jesus gives us that Spirit when we are saved.
Agreed. But that in no way says that the Father is the Spirit or that Jesus is the Spirit. The Father is Spirit. It does not say that He is the Spirit.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 01:30 AM
That is correct. I wish the others would pay more careful how they word things.

So glad to have this like mindedness.

God's Truth
February 28th, 2016, 01:31 AM
Agreed. But that in no way says that the Father is the Spirit or that Jesus is the Spirit. The Father is Spirit. It does not say that He is the Spirit.

The Bible says there is only ONE SPIRIT. If God the Father is not "the Spirit", then there would be three separate and different Spirits, but there is not.

Bright Raven
February 29th, 2016, 03:28 PM
The Bible says there is only ONE SPIRIT. If God the Father is not "the Spirit", then there would be three separate and different Spirits, but there is not.That is foolishness. The Father is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is Spirit . They are not the same Spirit.

John 14:26 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Will the Father send himself? I think not.

CherubRam
February 29th, 2016, 03:52 PM
That is foolishness. The Father is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is Spirit . They are not the same Spirit.

John 14:26 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Will the Father send himself? I think not. Holy Spirit is a manifestation of the Father Himself. Holy Spirit is one of many name titles of our Holy Father. 2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Bright Raven
February 29th, 2016, 04:33 PM
Holy Spirit is a manifestation of the Father Himself. Holy Spirit is one of many name titles of our Holy Father. 2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. That is just plain stupid according to scripture. The Father will not send Himself. He remains on the throne.

CherubRam
February 29th, 2016, 06:06 PM
That is just plain stupid according to scripture. The Father will not send Himself. He remains on the throne. So you think it is impossible for God, and you do not agree with that scripture?

Bright Raven
February 29th, 2016, 09:20 PM
So you think it is impossible for God, and you do not agree with that scripture?

So. The Trinity cannot be separated.

Colossians 1:27 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.


John 14:17 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

1 Corinthians 6:19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

John 14:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

God's Truth
March 1st, 2016, 06:27 AM
That is foolishness. The Father is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is Spirit . They are not the same Spirit.

John 14:26 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Will the Father send himself? I think not.

If there are three DIFFERENT SPIRITS, then it is NOT what the scriptures say, for there is only ONE Spirit. That is what the scripture says.

jamie
March 1st, 2016, 08:57 AM
That is foolishness. The Father is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is Spirit . They are not the same Spirit.


Who is Jesus' father?


Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
(Matthew 1:18)

But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
(Matthew 1:20)

The Holy Spirit is defined in scripture as God's power.


And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you..." (Luke 1:35)

But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you... (Acts 1:8)

Bright Raven
March 1st, 2016, 01:19 PM
Who is Jesus' father?


Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
(Matthew 1:18)

But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
(Matthew 1:20)

The Holy Spirit is defined in scripture as God's power.


And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you..." (Luke 1:35)

But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you... (Acts 1:8)

In essence they are the same yet they a different persons.

John 14:17 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

1 Corinthians 6:19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

John 14:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.

jamie
March 1st, 2016, 01:29 PM
In essence they are the same yet they a different persons.


Let's say for the sake of discussion that Jesus performed miracles, wonders, and signs. If so, by whose authority and power?

Bright Raven
March 1st, 2016, 01:32 PM
Let's say for the sake of discussion that Jesus performed miracles, wonders, and signs. If so, by whose authority and power?

He always did what He saw the Father doing.

jamie
March 1st, 2016, 01:50 PM
He always did what He saw the Father doing.


Are you saying that it was the Father doing the miracles, wonders, and signs?

If so, you would be right. Jesus said he did nothing of himself.

Bright Raven
March 1st, 2016, 01:52 PM
Are you saying that it was the Father doing the miracles, wonders, and signs?

If so, you would be right. Jesus said he did nothing of himself.The Father always worked through Him.