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musterion
November 14th, 2015, 08:28 AM
CCM singer Kirk Franklin apologizes for homophobia in the church. (http://christiannews.net/2015/11/13/losing-my-religion-gospel-singer-kirk-franklin-apologizes-for-homophobia-in-church/)

Whereas before...


In 1998, CCM star Kirk Franklin said that “homosexuality ... is a problem today in gospel music--a MAJOR CONCERN--and everybody knows it” (Church Boy, pp. 49, 50).

Evidently he had things 'explained' to him, if he wanted to continue to have a career.

oatmeal
November 14th, 2015, 08:53 AM
CCM singer Kirk Franklin apologizes for homophobia in the church. (http://christiannews.net/2015/11/13/losing-my-religion-gospel-singer-kirk-franklin-apologizes-for-homophobia-in-church/)

Whereas before...



Evidently he had things 'explained' to him, if he wanted to continue to have a career.

Homosexuality is a sin.

Believers need not fear other's or their own sin. II Timothy 1:7 Psalm 34:4 ... but we are to walk, conduct our lives, wisely, by renewing our minds

Homosexuals can, as we all can, correct the errors in our lives.

Fears ensnare us, so we need to trust the Lord, Proverbs 29:25

aCultureWarrior
November 14th, 2015, 09:29 AM
CCM singer Kirk Franklin apologizes for homophobia in the church. (http://christiannews.net/2015/11/13/losing-my-religion-gospel-singer-kirk-franklin-apologizes-for-homophobia-in-church/)

Whereas before...



Evidently he had things 'explained' to him, if he wanted to continue to have a career.

Is it going to effect his Salvation?

musterion
November 14th, 2015, 09:53 AM
Is it going to effect his Salvation?

No way to answer without knowing what gospel he believes.

aCultureWarrior
November 14th, 2015, 10:00 AM
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Is it going to effect his Salvation?


No way to answer without knowing what gospel he believes.

What gospel can a person believe and still be granted eternal life even though that person leads others to eternal damnation as Kirk Franklin appears to be doing?

musterion
November 14th, 2015, 10:04 AM
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Is it going to effect his Salvation?



What gospel can a person believe and still be granted eternal life even though that person leads others to eternal damnation as Kirk Franklin appears to be doing?

If he died with Christ and was raised again to new life in Him, then there is now no condemnation for him, for there is no law binding upon him; God has declared him legally dead to Law and to sin. The only way that can happen is to have believed the only saving Gospel of the grace of God. But again, I do not know which gospel Franklin believed. There's so many to choose from these days, after all.

Lon
November 14th, 2015, 10:04 AM
CCM singer Kirk Franklin apologizes for homophobia in the church. (http://christiannews.net/2015/11/13/losing-my-religion-gospel-singer-kirk-franklin-apologizes-for-homophobia-in-church/)

Whereas before...



Evidently he had things 'explained' to him, if he wanted to continue to have a career.
I think he still means both but imo, is confused and not a theologian.



“I want people to see the love of God and not the fear of God,” he explained to Pix11.

John 4:23-24 insists that the Gospel is truth and relationship. Without fear of God, there is no truth and so Kirk Franklin's comment comes from a Samaritan standpoint, as if we could remove the truth from love. We cannot. We really do have modern-day Samaritans. Jesus both talked to them and used them as example in parable to those who forget that both, is the balance, not just one or the other. The two great commands demand we ever have love of God and His truth, and love of the sinner/enemy-Samaritan-brother before our eyes.
Humbly submitted, In Him -Lon

musterion
November 14th, 2015, 10:07 AM
I think he still means both but imo, is confused and not a theologian.


John 4:23-24 insists that the Gospel is truth and relationship. Without fear of God, there is no truth and so Kirk Franklin's comment comes from a Samaritan standpoint, as if we could remove the truth from love. We cannot. We really do have modern-day Samaritans. Jesus both talked to them and used them as example in parable to those who forget that it both, not just one or the other. The two great commands demand we ever have love of God and His truth, and love of the sinner/enemy before our eyes. Humbly submitted, In Him -Lon

I'm waiting to see if he specifically recants his former warning against the homosexuality long rampant in CCM.

aCultureWarrior
November 14th, 2015, 10:16 AM
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

What gospel can a person believe and still be granted eternal life even though that person leads others to eternal damnation as Kirk Franklin appears to be doing?


If he died with Christ and was raised again to new life in Him, then there is now no condemnation for him, for there is no law binding upon him; God has declared him legally dead to Law and to sin. The only way that can happen is to have believed the only saving Gospel of the grace of God. But again, I do not know which gospel Franklin believed. There's so many to choose from these days, after all.

So someone can promote things that God abhors and still be a follower of Christ? (The gospel I follow is Jesus' 2 greatest commandments).

musterion
November 14th, 2015, 10:16 AM
I've already answered you as best I can. Stop doting about questions.

Grosnick Marowbe
November 14th, 2015, 10:20 AM
No way to answer without knowing what gospel he believes.

Good answer

Grosnick Marowbe
November 14th, 2015, 10:22 AM
If he died with Christ and was raised again to new life in Him, then there is now no condemnation for him, for there is no law binding upon him; God has declared him legally dead to Law and to sin. The only way that can happen is to have believed the only saving Gospel of the grace of God. But again, I do not know which gospel Franklin believed. There's so many to choose from these days, after all.

Another good post

Ktoyou
November 14th, 2015, 10:24 AM
He is a celebrity first and a Christian second, meaning he is not really a Christian, just someone who uses Christianity to be a celebrity.

aCultureWarrior
November 14th, 2015, 10:32 AM
“I want to apologize for all of the hurtful and painful things that have been said about people in the Church that have been talented and gifted and musical, that we’ve used and we’ve embarrassed them and made sermons—‘Adam and Steve,’ and all this other horrible **** that we’ve done,” Franklin told The Grio. “We have not treated them like people, human beings. We’re talking about human beings, men and women that God has created as people.”

He acknowledged that the Bible does count homosexuality as a sin along with fornication and adultery, but said that the Scriptures also talk about grace.

“That’s what the Bible talks about,” Franklin admitted. “And you know what else the Bible talks about along with that? It talks about grace. It talks about love. It talks about mercy, because we are all in need of that.”
http://christiannews.net/2015/11/13/losing-my-religion-gospel-singer-kirk-franklin-apologizes-for-homophobia-in-church/

Is repentance (turning from your old ways and starting anew) not a necessary part of salvation, or did Jesus die so that people can continue living their sinful lifestyle?

musterion
November 14th, 2015, 10:54 AM
He is a celebrity first and a Christian second, meaning he is not really a Christian, just someone who uses Christianity to be a celebrity.

It's definitely possible. Even those who can correctly explain the saving Gospel of grace and say they believe it COULD still be lying. Christ knows who are His but for us, "perilous times" indeed.