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Ben Masada
November 12th, 2015, 04:32 PM
THE ESSAY OF MARK TWAIN ABOUT THE JEWS

"If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way.
Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.

His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also way out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers.

He has made a marvellous fight in the world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed suit, and made a vast noise, and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it has burned out, and they sit either in twilight now, or have vanished.

The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?

Mark Twain

ok doser
November 12th, 2015, 04:34 PM
What is the secret of his immortality?


he mixes the blood of Christian babies in his matzos?

genuineoriginal
November 12th, 2015, 06:17 PM
Over 300 years ago, King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great Christian philosopher, to give him proof of God. Pascal answered, “Why the Jews, your Majesty, the Jews!”

Bradley D
November 13th, 2015, 02:13 AM
God does not pick the great to do His work. God wants people to know that it is He that is making the difference.

dialm
November 13th, 2015, 04:07 AM
God does not pick the great to do His work. God wants people to know that it is He that is making the difference.

Amen

bybee
November 13th, 2015, 04:41 AM
he mixes the blood of Christian babies in his matzos?

This is out of line.

ok doser
November 13th, 2015, 07:56 AM
This is out of line.

no bybee, it's not

it's a joke, that you don't get

bybee
November 13th, 2015, 08:06 AM
no bybee, it's not

it's a joke, that you don't get

We are not amused!

ok doser
November 13th, 2015, 08:14 AM
we are not concerned by your lack of appreciation :idunno:

bybee
November 13th, 2015, 08:28 AM
we are not concerned by your lack of appreciation :idunno:

We are quite aware of that.:king:

tetelestai
November 13th, 2015, 08:36 AM
Over 300 years ago, King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great Christian philosopher, to give him proof of God. Pascal answered, “Why the Jews, your Majesty, the Jews!”

No people have disobeyed God throughout history more so than the Jews.

For the last 2,000 years, no people have rejected The Lord Jesus Christ more so than the Jews have.

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 11:27 AM
he mixes the blood of Christian babies in his matzos?

And Christians have murdered millions of Jews throughout History with pogroms, blood libels, Crusades, Inquisition and, last but not least, the Holocaust. What you have said above is not true and you know it but; what I have used as a feedback is documented in non-Biblical History for all Christians to be ashamed to accuse the Jews of any non-documented lies.

genuineoriginal
November 13th, 2015, 11:32 AM
And Christians have murdered millions of Jews throughout History with pogroms, blood libels, Crusades, Inquisition and, last but not least, the Holocaust. What you have said above is not true and you know it but; what I have used as a feedback is documented in non-Biblical History for all Christians to be ashamed to accuse the Jews of any non-documented lies.
Yes, it is a disgrace that Christians were at the head of so many of the persecutions that the Jews faced in the great tribulation (Diaspora of the Jews) that Jesus prophesied.

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 11:33 AM
Over 300 years ago, King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great Christian philosopher, to give him proof of God. Pascal answered, “Why the Jews, your Majesty, the Jews!”

I have heard about that before GO but, believe me, it never tires myself to hear over and over again.

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 11:37 AM
God does not pick the great to do His work. God wants people to know that it is He that is making the difference.

And your words are confirmed by Ezekiel 20:41 and Exodus 19:6.

ok doser
November 13th, 2015, 11:38 AM
What you have said above is not true and you know it ....


of course it's not true - that's why i threw it out as a humorous rebuttal to Twain's claim of Jew "immortality" - i didn't believe anybody would think it was anything other than untrue

and i don't feel any shame for the actions of past Christians :idunno:


do you feel shame for killing Christ?

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 11:39 AM
This is out of line.

Thank you Bybee!

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 11:43 AM
No people have disobeyed God throughout history more so than the Jews.

For the last 2,000 years, no people have rejected The Lord Jesus Christ more so than the Jews have.

Nevertheless, HaShem of the other nations will eventually get rid of them but of the Jews He will only chastise us as we deserve. (Jer. 46:28) Evidence? Mark Twain.

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 11:55 AM
of course it's not true - that's why i threw it out as a humorous rebuttal to Twain's claim of Jew "immortality" - i didn't believe anybody would think it was anything other than untrue

and i don't feel any shame for the actions of past Christians :idunno:

do you feel shame for killing Christ?

No, I feel shame rather for your anti-Semitic accusation. You know very well that the Romans killed Jesus and not the Jews. And if you read your NT you would find out that the reason why Jesus was killed was the stupid acclamation of his own disciples that he was king of the Jews. Evidence? Try to find out the meaning of that inscription on that plate Pilate nailed on the top of his cross: INRI. (John 19;19) That's the reason why Jesus was killed. And mind you for some decency that the Pharisees tried twice to save Jesus from being arrested and brought to the cross. First from Herod in Luke 13:31 and later from Pilate in Luke 19:37-40. Enough to be ashamed, don't you think so?

ok doser
November 13th, 2015, 11:58 AM
No

good - then you understand why i don't feel responsible for the actions of others




the Romans killed Jesus and not the Jews


:darwinsm:

good one! :thumb:

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 12:04 PM
good - then you understand why i don't feel responsible for the actions of others good one!

Yes but that you find irresponsible pleasure to slander others for what they did not do, as long as they are Jews.
Why don't you give us a break for a change?

genuineoriginal
November 13th, 2015, 12:04 PM
do you feel shame for killing Christ?
Jews did not kill Christ.
Romans killed Christ.

(Just wait until Cruciform tries to refute that with his links).

ok doser
November 13th, 2015, 12:34 PM
We all killed Christ

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 12:47 PM
We all killed Christ

If you mean Jesus, it is still not true. Only the Romans killed Jesus as a result of his stupid disciples that day at the entrance of Jerusalem which at that time was a Roman province. A local Jew had no business being acclaimed king of the Jews where Caesar was king. It is nice to face reality some times.(Luke 19:37-40)

genuineoriginal
November 13th, 2015, 01:03 PM
If you mean Jesus, it is still not true. Only the Romans killed Jesus as a result of his stupid disciples that day at the entrance of Jerusalem which at that time was a Roman province. A local Jew had no business being acclaimed king of the Jews where Caesar was king. It is nice to face reality some times.(Luke 19:37-40)

Be a bit more careful what you say about the disciples of Jesus.

The disciples had nothing to do with the death of Jesus except for Judas Iscariot who betrayed Him to the chief priests and elders.

The record shows that the Romans killed Jesus because the chief priests and elders persuaded the Jewish crowds to demand the death of Jesus.

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 01:22 PM
Be a bit more careful what you say about the disciples of Jesus.

The disciples had nothing to do with the death of Jesus except for Judas Iscariot who betrayed Him to the chief priests and elders.

The record shows that the Romans killed Jesus because the chief priests and elders persuaded the Jewish crowds to demand the death of Jesus.

Is it a lie to say that Jesus was being acclaimed king of the Jews by his disciples at the entrance of Jerusalem? No. (Luke 19:37-39) Is it a lie to say that Jerusalem was a Roman province at that time? No. Is it a lie to say that the Pharisees tried to save Jesus from being arrested because of that stupid acclamation? No. Was Jesus king of the Jews? No. Now, we have the reason why the disciples of Jesus were playing the stupid which caused the death of Jesus. Reason for the death of Jesus? INRI.

Don't forget though that I am not referring to the 12 but to the 70. Jesus had 70 disciples in the category of disciples and not apostles. That's what the apostles of Jesus said to Paul when this tried to join them; that he could not be even a disciple, let alone an apostle. (Acts 9:26) from the NAB translation.

aikido7
November 13th, 2015, 01:30 PM
he mixes the blood of Christian babies in his matzos?That is a primitive belief which was used by many in the medieval world as well as Hitler and the German people in the 30s and 40s. No one with common sense takes these paranoid fantasies seriously today.

The only thing that remains from this thinking is Anti-Semitic prejudices passed down to the present by ancient people.

ok doser
November 13th, 2015, 01:33 PM
That is a primitive belief which was used by many in the medieval world as well as Hitler and the German people in the 30s and 40s. No one with common sense takes these paranoid fantasies seriously today.

right - that's why it was funny - it was playing on a stereotype that only a moron would think was true

or a buzzkill, such as yourself

aikido7
November 13th, 2015, 01:36 PM
Is it a lie to say that Jesus was being acclaimed king of the Jews by his disciples at the entrance of Jerusalem? No. (Luke 19:37-39) Is it a lie to say that Jerusalem was a Roman province at that time? No. Is it a lie to say that the Pharisees tried to save Jesus from being arrested because of that stupid acclamation? No. Was Jesus king of the Jews? No. Now, we have the reason why the disciples of Jesus were playing the stupid which caused the death of Jesus. Reason for the death of Jesus? INRI.

Don't forget though that I am not referring to the 12 but to the 70. Jesus had 70 disciples in the category of disciples and not apostles. That's what the apostles of Jesus said to Paul when this tried to join them; that he could not be even a disciple, let alone an apostle. (Acts 9:26) from the NAB translation.The Romans put Jesus to death because they saw him as treasonous--and part of that feeling was because Jesus was crowned “king” by some of his followers.

It was later in the tradition that the Jesus people who were living side-by-side in the Roman world began to slowly slide the reason for Jesus’s death away from Rome and simply--regrettably--to “the Jews.”

Pilate was brutal and violent and because of this he was removed from his power base by the officials in the Roman empire.

This focus away from a violent Pilate can be seen in the gospels.
The idea that “Pilate washed his hands” of the matter and supposedly left the death penalty to be decided by the crowd is a fiction. His neutral behavior toward Jesus as told in the gospels makes no common sense.

aikido7
November 13th, 2015, 01:38 PM
right - that's why it was funny - it was playing on a stereotype that only a moron would think was true

or a buzzkill, such as yourself

Be aware that name-calling and ridicule was the first step in eventually sending the Jews to the camps packed in railroad cars.

Again, the Jews as baby-killers was a primitive prejudice that is taken seriously only by the most rabid anti-Semites today.

ok doser
November 13th, 2015, 01:40 PM
Be aware that name-calling and ridicule was the first step in eventually sending the Jews to the camps packed in railroad cars.

did you know that the nazis drank milk when they were children?

did you know that hitler drank milk when he was a child?

did you drink milk when you were a child?

i'll bet you did

Ben Masada
November 13th, 2015, 02:02 PM
1 - The Romans put Jesus to death because they saw him as treasonous--and part of that feeling was because Jesus was crowned “king” by some of his followers.

2 - It was later in the tradition that the Jesus people who were living side-by-side in the Roman world began to slowly slide the reason for Jesus’s death away from Rome and simply--regrettably--to “the Jews.”

3 - Pilate was brutal and violent and because of this he was removed from his power base by the officials in the Roman empire.

4 - This focus away from a violent Pilate can be seen in the gospels.
The idea that “Pilate washed his hands” of the matter and supposedly left the death penalty to be decided by the crowd is a fiction. His neutral behavior toward Jesus as told in the gospels makes no common sense.

1 - Hey, Aikido, I didn't know about that. I have never read in the NT that Jesus was crowned king by some of his followers! What I have is that the only crown Jesus was crowned with was the one the Romans made out of thorns.

2 - This is also new and there is no evidence anywhere neither in the NT nor anywhere else. The transfer of guilty from the Romans to the Jews was made in the high Roman echelon. Jews at that time were still in the very beginning of their ascendance in the Diaspora.

3 - Just as Josephus says about him.

4 - What could we do without some enlightened Christians like you?

Bradley D
November 13th, 2015, 11:33 PM
No, I feel shame rather for your anti-Semitic accusation. You know very well that the Romans killed Jesus and not the Jews. And if you read your NT you would find out that the reason why Jesus was killed was the stupid acclamation of his own disciples that he was king of the Jews. Evidence? Try to find out the meaning of that inscription on that plate Pilate nailed on the top of his cross: INRI. (John 19;19) That's the reason why Jesus was killed. And mind you for some decency that the Pharisees tried twice to save Jesus from being arrested and brought to the cross. First from Herod in Luke 13:31 and later from Pilate in Luke 19:37-40. Enough to be ashamed, don't you think so?

As a Christian I believe our sins killed Christ!

Ben Masada
November 16th, 2015, 01:50 PM
As a Christian I believe our sins killed Christ!

And as a Prophet of the Most High, Jeremiah and Ezekiel said that no one could be killed for the sins of another. (Jer. 31:30; Ezek. 18:20) Now, what do you say, should I believe the word of a Christian or that of a Prophet?

dialm
November 18th, 2015, 04:13 AM
Wasn't Mark Twain an atheist?

And he was a book writer.

And he knew a thing or two about who buttered his bread.

dialm
November 18th, 2015, 04:20 AM
And as a Prophet of the Most High, Jeremiah and Ezekiel said that no one could be killed for the sins of another. (Jer. 31:30; Ezek. 18:20) Now, what do you say, should I believe the word of a Christian or that of a Prophet?

That depends on who the Christian is. While Old Testament prophets have a type of light, it is very small. Sort of like Twain's assessment of the people he was talking about. You follow in their foot steps and it won't be long before you will be in a whole lot of Rosie.

dialm
November 18th, 2015, 04:24 AM
Think about it this way

With a name like that if I followed you I would have two choices

1 kill myself
2 become a slave

No thanks

Elia
November 18th, 2015, 06:17 AM
No people have disobeyed God throughout history more so than the Jews.

For the last 2,000 years, no people have rejected The Lord Jesus Christ more so than the Jews have.

Bs"d

Just like the Jews have rejected all other false prophets and idols.

See here why the Jews don't believe in the NT: http://MountZion.notlong.com

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Elia
November 18th, 2015, 06:26 AM
do you feel shame for killing Christ?

Bs"d

Had to be done, just like all other blasphemers and false prophets..
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Ben Masada
November 18th, 2015, 01:49 PM
Wasn't Mark Twain an atheist?

And he was a book writer.

And he knew a thing or two about who buttered his bread.

But then he was a great admirer of the Jewish People, being for that matter blessed by the Lord Who blesses those who bless Israel.

patrick jane
November 18th, 2015, 01:54 PM
THE ESSAY OF MARK TWAIN ABOUT THE JEWS

"If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way.
Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.

His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also way out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers.

He has made a marvellous fight in the world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed suit, and made a vast noise, and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it has burned out, and they sit either in twilight now, or have vanished.

The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?

Mark Twain

I like Samuel. He made some great observations of the world in his times.

Ben Masada
November 18th, 2015, 02:22 PM
I like Samuel. He made some great observations of the world in his times.

I wish I could understand what you are talking about. I am aware of Samuel but I have no idea what you mean for the great observations he made in his time. He did do a lot as a Prophet and a Judge but... what do you have in mind?

patrick jane
November 18th, 2015, 02:29 PM
I wish I could understand what you are talking about. I am aware of Samuel but I have no idea what you mean for the great observations he made in his time. He did do a lot as a Prophet and a Judge but... what do you have in mind?

No !! Sorry, Mark Twain's real name is Samuel Clemens

tetelestai
November 18th, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jews did not kill Christ.
Romans killed Christ.

Once again, your Zionist views are in contradiction of the Bible:

(1 Thess 2:14-15 KJV) For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

Ben Masada
November 18th, 2015, 03:00 PM
No !! Sorry, Mark Twain's real name is Samuel Clemens

Oh! Patrick, I am sorry! I felt that as a slap on my face. Yes, I knew Samuel Clemens to be the real name of Mark Twain but I was reading Samuel when I read your post.

dialm
November 19th, 2015, 04:19 AM
But then he was a great admirer of the Jewish People, being for that matter blessed by the Lord Who blesses those who bless Israel.

Why would an atheist admire a people blessed by God?

Don't you think your thought pattern is contradictory?

If Twain genuinely admired the Jewish people it could not have been because of a God he did not believe in. If we take Twain at his word then there would be two reasons for his admiration

1 He admired their financial success
2 He had a 'little man' complex

By the way, there is a group of people smaller in number with much great success.

steko
November 19th, 2015, 04:38 AM
No people have disobeyed God throughout history more so than the Jews.

For the last 2,000 years, no people have rejected The Lord Jesus Christ more so than the Jews have.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Eze 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
Eze 36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
Eze 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Eze 36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
Eze 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

tetelestai
November 19th, 2015, 06:44 AM
Eze 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
Eze 36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
Eze 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Eze 36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
Eze 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Not one thing in Ezk 36 is about the Jews.

Ezk 36 is about the Israelites from the House of Israel. These Israelites were never Jews. These Israelites went to war against the Jews.

This thread is about Jews.

Ben Masada
November 20th, 2015, 12:01 PM
Why would an atheist admire a people blessed by God?

Don't you think your thought pattern is contradictory?

If Twain genuinely admired the Jewish people it could not have been because of a God he did not believe in. If we take Twain at his word then there would be two reasons for his admiration

1 He admired their financial success
2 He had a 'little man' complex

By the way, there is a group of people smaller in number with much great success.

I am listening. Why did you stop with "the smaller-people-than-the-Jews which enjoy much greater success?" Could it have been that you happened to read Deut. 4:6 and Exod. 19:6? "...because this great nation is of truly a wise and intelligent People."