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patrick jane
November 5th, 2015, 11:59 PM
Did they ever ? Seems a little fishy.

Golden plates
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Angel Moroni Golden plates Joseph Smith Oliver Cowdery Book of
Wikipedia book Book:Book of Mormon

According to Latter Day Saint belief, the golden plates (also called the gold plates or in some 19th-century literature, the golden bible)[1] are the source from which Joseph Smith said he translated the Book of Mormon, a sacred text of the faith. Some witnesses described the plates as weighing from 30 to 60 pounds (14 to 27 kg),[2] being golden in color, and being composed of thin metallic pages engraved on both sides and bound with three D-shaped rings.

Smith said he found the plates on September 22, 1823, at a hill near his home in Manchester, New York, after the angel Moroni directed him to a buried stone box. Smith said the angel at first prevented him from taking the plates, but instructed him to return to the same location in a year. In September 1827, on his fourth annual attempt to retrieve the plates, Smith returned home with a heavy object wrapped in a frock, which he then put in a box. Though he allowed others to heft the box, he said that the angel had forbidden him to show the plates to anyone until they had been translated from their original "reformed Egyptian" language. Smith dictated the text of the Book of Mormon over the next several years, claiming that it was a translation of the plates. He did this by using a seer stone, which he placed in the bottom of a hat and then placed the hat over his face to view the words written within the stone.[3] Smith published the translation in 1830 as the Book of Mormon.

Smith eventually obtained testimonies from eleven men, known as the Book of Mormon witnesses, who said they had seen the plates.[4] After the translation was complete, Smith said he returned the plates to the angel Moroni. Therefore the plates cannot now be examined. Latter Day Saints believe the account of the golden plates as a matter of faith, while critics often assert that either Smith manufactured the plates himself[5] or that the Book of Mormon witnesses based their testimony on visions rather than physical experience.

Sodor72
November 6th, 2015, 12:17 AM
Don't tell Glenn Beck that.

Mormons have some crazy ideas.
I've always wondered how many Mormons live outside the U.S.?

ok doser
November 6th, 2015, 07:33 AM
wait 'til you get to the part about the magic underpants :banana:

tetelestai
November 6th, 2015, 07:38 AM
Joseph Smith said he translated the Book of Mormon, a sacred text of the faith.

Joseph Smith was a contemporary of John Nelson Darby.

Just about the same time Smith was peeping into a hat to read his seer stone, Darby was creating the rapture based on a vision from a teenage girl.

SaulToPaul
November 6th, 2015, 07:45 AM
Joseph Smith was a contemporary of John Nelson Darby.

Just about the same time Smith was peeping into a hat to read his seer stone, Darby was creating the rapture based on a vision from a teenage girl.

Aleister Crowley had them in a safe deposit box.

ok doser
November 6th, 2015, 07:49 AM
i thought he hid them in his ubercool hat

http://aleistercrowleyfoundation.net/images/Aleister%20Crowley.jpg

patrick jane
November 6th, 2015, 07:50 AM
wait 'til you get to the part about the magic underpants :banana:

tell us more :rapture:

SaulToPaul
November 6th, 2015, 07:52 AM
i thought he hid them in his ubercool hat

http://aleistercrowleyfoundation.net/images/Aleister%20Crowley.jpg

You are the greatest. I now agree with everything you say.

I said this to Jerry Shugart. Is that where you got it?

ok doser
November 6th, 2015, 07:55 AM
i believe i stole it from you

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4447379&postcount=39

thank you :thumb:


but i drew the line at becoming a Shugartite

tetelestai
November 6th, 2015, 08:04 AM
I said this to Jerry Shugart.

Don't know if you know, but Jerry isn't doing good, he's been in the hospital for a month. However, his son made the following post two days ago, that did have some good news:


Good news. I just heard that Jerry has made a turn for the better. They have started to bring him out of medical comma, and he should be awake in the next 24-48 hours.

Thank you for all those praying for him.

JonahofAkron
November 6th, 2015, 10:31 AM
i thought he hid them in his ubercool hat

http://aleistercrowleyfoundation.net/images/Aleister%20Crowley.jpg
Is Mr. Crowley where the Addams Family gets Uncle Fester?

SaulToPaul
November 6th, 2015, 10:55 AM
Is Mr. Crowley where the Addams Family gets Uncle Fester?

I think Ozzy Osbourne is a distant relative of John Nelson Darby.

patrick jane
November 6th, 2015, 12:02 PM
I think Ozzy Osbourne is a distant relative of John Nelson Darby.

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride your white horse ?



https://youtu.be/vDVLMS_Yhe4

JonahofAkron
November 6th, 2015, 12:10 PM
I think Ozzy Osbourne is a distant relative of John Nelson Darby.

Sounds legit.

JonahofAkron
November 6th, 2015, 12:12 PM
Mr. Crowley, won't you ride your white horse ?



https://youtu.be/vDVLMS_Yhe4
Proof positive.

revpete
November 6th, 2015, 01:51 PM
Don't tell Glenn Beck that.

Mormons have some crazy ideas.
I've always wondered how many Mormons live outside the U.S.?

Well I live two doors down from a Melchesidek priest. 😱

Pete 👤

Nick M
November 6th, 2015, 02:16 PM
I think Ozzy Osbourne is a distant relative of John Nelson Darby.

Do I need to post my collection of Tetenstein posts on Darby and the other dude?

patrick jane
November 6th, 2015, 09:58 PM
As a Christian or even as a non-believer, the whole story of Joseph Smith and these fake disappearing plates is scandulous. The whole history of the Mormon cult is suspect. Anybody can just say they had a vision or a visitation or revelation. It's preposterous.

brewmama
November 6th, 2015, 10:28 PM
As a Christian or even as an non-believer, the whole story of Joseph Smith and these fake disappearing plates is scandulous. The whole history of the Mormon cult is suspect. Anybody can just say they had a vision or a visitation or revelation. It's preposterous.

A Greek priest once told me that "Moroni" [the angel that did the dictating] is Greek for moron.

patrick jane
November 6th, 2015, 10:54 PM
A Greek priest once told me that "Moroni" [the angel that did the dictating] is Greek for moron.

:rotfl:

intojoy
November 7th, 2015, 12:10 AM
Joseph Smith was a contemporary of John Nelson Darby.

Just about the same time Smith was peeping into a hat to read his seer stone, Darby was creating the rapture based on a vision from a teenage girl.

Lmbo

musterion
November 7th, 2015, 04:05 AM
i thought he hid them in his ubercool hat

http://aleistercrowleyfoundation.net/images/Aleister%20Crowley.jpg

Darby!

musterion
November 7th, 2015, 04:09 AM
Mormonism's insistence that the Bible was corrupted is fundamentally self-refuting and destroys Mormonism from the get-go..

tetelestai
November 7th, 2015, 07:14 AM
Darby!

Before Joseph Smith, there was no Mormonism.

Before John Nelson Darby, there was no Dispensationalism.

Smith and Darby were contemporaries. Darby was born in 1800, Smith was born in 1805

patrick jane
November 7th, 2015, 07:26 AM
Before Joseph Smith, there was no Mormonism.

Before John Nelson Darby, there was no Dispensationalism.

Smith and Darby were contemporaries. Darby was born in 1800, Smith was born in 1805

Kinda like the Urantia guy that came later

tetelestai
November 7th, 2015, 07:52 AM
Kinda like the Urantia guy that came later

Both Mormonism and Dispensationalism were invented during "the age of the cults".

"This remarkable growth seems to be related to a peculiar nineteenth century American interest in prophetic things. Evidence of this absorbing American concentration on prophecy lies not just in the spread of dispensationalism (a fundamentalist phenomenon), but in the concurrent arising of the many last days/millennial cults. We think especially of the Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints (the Mormons began the same year as dispensationalism, 1830); the Jehovah's Witnesses; the Seventh Adventists." - When Time Shall Be No More: Propohecy Belief in Modern American Culture

tetelestai
November 7th, 2015, 07:58 AM
"Mormonism, dispensationalism and Tractarianism all emerged from the Anglo-American evangelical milieu at the exact same moment, 1830-34." - Brent S. Sirota, Historian, North Carolina St.

JonahofAkron
November 7th, 2015, 08:32 AM
A Greek priest once told me that "Moroni" [the angel that did the dictating] is Greek for moron.

Success!

JonahofAkron
November 7th, 2015, 08:33 AM
Kinda like the Urantia guy that came later

:rotfl: Yes, barkeep, I'll have another! :cheers:

patrick jane
November 7th, 2015, 08:39 AM
:rotfl: Yes, barkeep, I'll have another! :cheers:

yeah, that makes no sense

JonahofAkron
November 7th, 2015, 09:28 AM
yeah, that makes no sense

Me either. I was being silly. Strike it from the records.

OCTOBER23
November 7th, 2015, 09:38 AM
I read many books on Joseph Smith and the Mormons about 20 years ago.

It seems like he was a young man who , along with his friends, tried to

SWINDLE money out of Local farmers and made he them very angry and

he had to get out of town really fast. His Golden Tablets etc were just

another ruse to gain money and a following.

Sherman
November 7th, 2015, 09:42 AM
FYI This topic belongs in Religion, not ECT. So I put in in Religion.

patrick jane
November 7th, 2015, 09:44 AM
FYI This topic belongs in Religion, not ECT. So I put in in Religion.

Cool

intojoy
November 7th, 2015, 11:44 AM
Tet doesn't realize how desperate he looks with his moron comparison

tetelestai
November 7th, 2015, 12:51 PM
Tet doesn't realize how desperate he looks with his moron comparison

No, just showing that Dispensationalism was invented by a man, just like Mormonism was invented by a man.

And, that they were both invented at about the same time (1830)

turbosixx
November 7th, 2015, 01:15 PM
Did they ever ? Seems a little fishy.

Golden plates
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Part of a series on the
Book of Mormon
Mormon-book.jpg
Origin


Angel Moroni Golden plates Joseph Smith Oliver Cowdery Book of
Wikipedia book Book:Book of Mormon

According to Latter Day Saint belief, the golden plates (also called the gold plates or in some 19th-century literature, the golden bible)[1] are the source from which Joseph Smith said he translated the Book of Mormon, a sacred text of the faith. Some witnesses described the plates as weighing from 30 to 60 pounds (14 to 27 kg),[2] being golden in color, and being composed of thin metallic pages engraved on both sides and bound with three D-shaped rings.

Smith said he found the plates on September 22, 1823, at a hill near his home in Manchester, New York, after the angel Moroni directed him to a buried stone box. Smith said the angel at first prevented him from taking the plates, but instructed him to return to the same location in a year. In September 1827, on his fourth annual attempt to retrieve the plates, Smith returned home with a heavy object wrapped in a frock, which he then put in a box. Though he allowed others to heft the box, he said that the angel had forbidden him to show the plates to anyone until they had been translated from their original "reformed Egyptian" language. Smith dictated the text of the Book of Mormon over the next several years, claiming that it was a translation of the plates. He did this by using a seer stone, which he placed in the bottom of a hat and then placed the hat over his face to view the words written within the stone.[3] Smith published the translation in 1830 as the Book of Mormon.

Smith eventually obtained testimonies from eleven men, known as the Book of Mormon witnesses, who said they had seen the plates.[4] After the translation was complete, Smith said he returned the plates to the angel Moroni. Therefore the plates cannot now be examined. Latter Day Saints believe the account of the golden plates as a matter of faith, while critics often assert that either Smith manufactured the plates himself[5] or that the Book of Mormon witnesses based their testimony on visions rather than physical experience.

It's TOTALLY fishy

Robert Pate
November 7th, 2015, 04:23 PM
There buried at the bottom of the pond on Oak Island.

JonahofAkron
November 8th, 2015, 11:24 AM
There buried at the bottom of the pond on Oak Island.

Ha. True story.

Nick M
November 8th, 2015, 11:36 AM
Southpark had a pretty good episode on Mormons and the gold plates some years back.

JonahofAkron
November 8th, 2015, 11:40 AM
Southpark had a pretty good episode on Mormons and the gold plates some years back.

Their scientology episode is one of the best to date.

patrick jane
November 8th, 2015, 11:57 AM
There buried at the bottom of the pond on Oak Island.

That show is a JOKE. If they found anything, we would know before the show aired, it would be on NBC or something. I can't believe it's gone on for 3 or more years now. They never stick with one plan. I refuse to watch after season 1.

JonahofAkron
November 8th, 2015, 11:58 AM
That show is a JOKE. If they found anything, we would know before the show aired, it would be on NBC or something. I can't believe it's gone on for 3 or more years now. They never stick with one plan. I refuse to watch after season 1.

For real. So frustrating.

Hedshaker
November 8th, 2015, 12:20 PM
If you guys could only see this through the eyes of a religious sceptic you wouldn't half be having a laff. The tough part is figuring out who has the most rational magic......

Carry on :confused:

disturbo
November 8th, 2015, 12:24 PM
No, just showing that Dispensationalism was invented by a man, just like Mormonism was invented by a man.

And, that they were both invented at about the same time (1830)

The most abominable of them all is ISLAM.

Not all dispensationalism is false. Not all of Mormonism is false. I don't judge either one and leave that up to the one who judges.

musterion
November 8th, 2015, 12:30 PM
If you guys could only see this through eyes of a religious sceptic you wouldn't half be be having a laff. The tough part is figuring out who has the most rational magic......

Carry on :confused:

A magic rock ape speaks.

Nick M
November 8th, 2015, 12:58 PM
That show is a JOKE. If they found anything, we would know before the show aired, it would be on NBC or something. I can't believe it's gone on for 3 or more years now. They never stick with one plan. I refuse to watch after season 1.

Summer is short. They tried to do the swamp first. And yes, they probably found nothing this summer. I can tell you with authority what isn't there. Temple booty. The Romans took it and paid for the arena.

turbosixx
November 8th, 2015, 01:29 PM
Southpark had a pretty good episode on Mormons and the gold plates some years back.

I especially loved the perfectly timed backing vocals. “dumb dumb dumb dumb”

Robert Pate
November 8th, 2015, 01:34 PM
That show is a JOKE. If they found anything, we would know before the show aired, it would be on NBC or something. I can't believe it's gone on for 3 or more years now. They never stick with one plan. I refuse to watch after season 1.


They have me hooked. I love treasure hunting. I even have a metal detector, but I have never found anything.

musterion
November 8th, 2015, 02:09 PM
I have no idea what show any of you are talking about.

turbosixx
November 8th, 2015, 02:12 PM
I have no idea what show any of you are talking about.

It's an adult cartoon. I never watched it but someone pointed out the Mormon episode to me and I echoed how I see it. You should be able to find it on youtube.

Hedshaker
November 8th, 2015, 02:50 PM
A magic rock ape speaks.

I understand. It's that nasty science conspiracy again, isn't it? Best stick with a talking snake book. At least that's real magic ;)

musterion
November 8th, 2015, 02:57 PM
I understand. It's that nasty science conspiracy again, isn't it? Best stick with a talking snake book. At least that's real magic ;)

Science denies nothing exploding and resulting in everything. You're the magical thinker here...a purported anthropoid who dreams he sprang without cause from inert rock and water.

Hedshaker
November 8th, 2015, 03:09 PM
Science denies nothing exploding and resulting in everything. You're the magical thinker here...a purported anthropoid who dreams he sprang without cause from inert rock and water.

Yes, because, as we all know, Bible God sprang from nothing without cause and then poofed everything by means of supernatural magic. The only difference is that inert rock and water is actually proven real. God, not so much :rapture:

aikido7
November 8th, 2015, 03:42 PM
The Golden Plates do not exist, but neither do the original New Testament manuscripts.

It is all about interpretation and translations.

What we have today are copies of copies of copies. And a diverse number of different translations.

If you can’t believe in these, then you have nothing left to believe IN.

aikido7
November 8th, 2015, 03:43 PM
... inert rock and water is actually proven real. God, not so much :rapture:

What do you believe is responsible for all of this?

Hedshaker
November 8th, 2015, 03:53 PM
What do you believe is responsible for all of this?

I don't believe anything that is unknown. I don't know what caused the formation of the universe and neither do you really, nor does anyone.

But since you do beliefs, what do you believe caused God?