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OCTOBER23
November 4th, 2015, 11:29 AM
10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
1 ¶ And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 ¶ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

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JOHN IS TOLD TO PREACH TO THE NATIONS AGAIN

Is he not one of the two witnesses ?????

CherubRam
November 4th, 2015, 12:32 PM
10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
1 ¶ And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 ¶ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

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JOHN IS TOLD TO PREACH TO THE NATIONS AGAIN

Is he not one of the two witnesses ?????
John is not one of the Two Witnesses.
In that parable John represents the congregations who in the last days must go again to preach the good news. That is because of the harm done to scriptures by the Catholics. I know more then what I have to say for now.

False Prophet
November 4th, 2015, 03:05 PM
The 144,000 is one witness, and the great cloud of witnesses standing before the throne of God is the other witness.

chrysostom
November 4th, 2015, 03:10 PM
the two witnesses
are
the church and state of the byzantine empire

OCTOBER23
November 5th, 2015, 09:26 AM
church and state of the byzantine empire ????????

THEN HOW DO THEY GET KILLED AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION ????

SaulToPaul
November 5th, 2015, 11:30 AM
the two witnesses
are
the church and state of the byzantine empire

:chuckle:

SaulToPaul
November 5th, 2015, 11:31 AM
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JOHN IS TOLD TO PREACH TO THE NATIONS AGAIN

Is he not one of the two witnesses ?????

I believe it is possible.

SaulToPaul
November 5th, 2015, 11:36 AM
church and state of the byzantine empire ????????

THEN HOW DO THEY GET KILLED AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION ????

Details like that are easily ignored by chrys in his hairbrained schemes!

Hawkins
November 5th, 2015, 11:45 AM
10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
1 ¶ And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 ¶ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

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JOHN IS TOLD TO PREACH TO THE NATIONS AGAIN

Is he not one of the two witnesses ?????

They most likely refer to the end time prophets.

2 witnesses might refer to the 2 series of prophets, representing LAW and PROPHETS respectively.

LAW (f.e.): OT - Moses, NT - Paul
PROPHETS (f.e.): OT - Elijah, NT - John the Baptist

They are rather the 2 series of prophets sent. Plus that end time prophets may have the characteristic of

1) they die and get resurrected
2) people get tormented by what they say

Zeke
November 5th, 2015, 11:52 AM
Where is the temple of God in Revelations STP? Some future or past one made with stones in the mythical land of IS RA EL or is it a living one made without hands Acts Acts 7:48, 2Cor 5:1? Revelation happens where? Luke 17:20-21 should be a clue, and the only way to see it is through the peniel stone in our skull Gen 32:30.

Zeke
November 5th, 2015, 02:04 PM
Details like that are easily ignored by chrys in his hairbrained schemes!

Galatians 1:12, where did Paul's revelation take place?

CherubRam
November 5th, 2015, 04:52 PM
Galatians 1:12, where did Paul's revelation take place?

Acts 9:17
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

chrysostom
November 5th, 2015, 05:09 PM
church and state of the byzantine empire ????????

THEN HOW DO THEY GET KILLED AT THE END OF THE TRIBULATION ????


Details like that are easily ignored by chrys in his hairbrained schemes!

Siege of Acre (1291) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Acre_%281291%29)

Zeke
November 5th, 2015, 06:23 PM
Acts 9:17
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

The inner revelation not the outward address, plus the Acts version is suspect when compared with the earlier account from Paul's own version of what happened, Galatians 1:12-16 .

CherubRam
November 5th, 2015, 07:03 PM
The inner revelation not the outward address, plus the Acts version is suspect when compared with the earlier account from Paul's own version of what happened, Galatians 1:12-16 .

Hello!
Galatians 1:12
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Acts 9
3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

Acts 9:17
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

patrick jane
November 5th, 2015, 07:08 PM
Galatians 1:12, where did Paul's revelation take place?

Paul recieved numerous revelations from God.

northwye
November 5th, 2015, 10:05 PM
C. I. Scofield claimed that "Not one instance exists of a 'spiritual' or figurative fulfilment of prophecy... Jerusalem is always Jerusalem, Israel is always Israel, Zion is always Zion... Prophecies may never be spiritualised, but are always literal." C.I. Scofield, Scofield Bible Correspondence Course (Chicago, Moody Bible Institute), pp. 45-46.

Christian Zionists follow Scofield in making the prophecy in Revelation 11 literal. And they also tend to make Revelation 12, and 13 literal, and also key parts of Revelation 14 on the 144,000.

But the literal bias on interpreting prophecies written in metaphoric language is not the only reason why so many come up with so many different interpretations of Revelation Chapters 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17 and 18 which are not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Although the meanings - and layers of meanings in some cases - in Revelation 11, 12, 13, and 14, for example, are partly hidden to many, there are doctrines in these chapters which most in the churches in 2015 do not want to hear.

For example, the Greek word liopoy. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance number 3062. meaning "remaining ones, which remain, remnant, residue, rest," is used in Revelation 11 and in Revelation 12 to refer to a remnant during the church period. God raises up a remnant to stay faithful when the majority fall into false doctrines and practices. The church in 2015 does not acknowledge that a remnant now exists outside the churches or that this remnant will play a role in the near future.

There is a conflict between the followers of the Serpent-Dragon and the seed of the women, who are the remnant, in Revelation 12. Though this is in heavily metaphoric language, it can be seen as a conflict between the false prophets and those holding on to sound doctrines. The false prophets are in the churches.

And in Revelation 11: 10 those who are said to dwell on the earth rejoice because the prophets - called the Two Witnesses - who have tormented them were killed Those who dwell on the earth - and are not those who sit with Christ in heavenly places(Ephesians 2: 6) - could very well be in the churches

In Revelation 13 the second beast has traditionally been identified as the False Prophet, and he represents the many false prophets of Matthew 24: 11. And Revelation 13: 12 says the false prophet causes them who dwell on the earth (and do not sit with Christ in heavenly places) to worship the first beast whose deadly wound was healed. This is somewhat hard to figure out, what this first beast is whose deadly wound was healed. But Revelation 13: 3 says one of the heads of the first beast received a deadly wound that was healed and the whole world wondered after him. "Him" is a small nation, coming up along with or just after the four beast empires in Daniel 7. It is the little horn nation. which has the spirit of anti-Chjrist. Of course, this is not acceptable in the Christian Zionist churches.

Zeke
November 7th, 2015, 10:41 AM
Paul recieved numerous revelations from God.

Trust Acts if you want but it contradicts the Galatians conversion of Paul. Being a dependent on Acts for the bedrock of dispensation teaching, is the veil that will keep you in the dark concerning this easy to compare blooper.

The revelation of Christ happens within, not some future events transpiring in the clouds.

Zeke
November 7th, 2015, 10:49 AM
Hello!
Galatians 1:12
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Acts 9
3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

Acts 9:17
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”

Paul wrote Acts did he? Best to compare both conversion accounts to what Paul stated happen afterward, not some account that blatantly has him contradicting what he said he did. I will take Paul's epistle as the deciding factor, not some suspect letter that makes Paul speak with a forked tongue.

OCTOBER23
November 7th, 2015, 10:52 AM
ZEKE said,

The revelation of Christ happens within
not some future events transpiring in the clouds.
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ITS GOING TO GET VERY CLOUDY IN THE FUTURE.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,

and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth

shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Zeke
November 7th, 2015, 11:04 AM
ZEKE said,

The revelation of Christ happens within
not some future events transpiring in the clouds.
--------------------------------------------

ITS GOING TO GET VERY CLOUDY IN THE FUTURE.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,

and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth

shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The kingdom doesn't come with observation according to Jesus Luke 17:20-21.

OCTOBER23
November 10th, 2015, 11:45 PM
ZEKE ,

EVERYONE WILL SEE HIM . READ YOUR BIBLE.

REV 12:7 Look! He is coming with the clouds!
Every eye will see him.
Even those who pierced him will see him.
All the nations of the earth will be sad because of him.


REV 2:13
He was dressed in a long robe with a gold strip of cloth around his chest. 14The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow. His eyes were like a blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze metal glowing in a furnace. His voice sounded like rushing waters. 16He held seven stars in his right hand. Out of his mouth came a sharp sword that had two edges. His face was like the sun shining in all of its brightness.

OCTOBER23
November 10th, 2015, 11:48 PM
Is it going to be Isreal the Olive Tree and a Christian Church the Lampstand ?

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees,

and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zechariah 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

daqq
November 13th, 2015, 06:54 AM
Is it going to be Isreal the Olive Tree and a Christian Church the Lampstand ?

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees,

and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Zechariah 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

Moses and Elijah: Torah and Prophets: Anabate Hode!!
Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani . . .

:sheep:

Zeke
November 13th, 2015, 07:26 AM
ZEKE ,

EVERYONE WILL SEE HIM . READ YOUR BIBLE.

REV 12:7 Look! He is coming with the clouds!
Every eye will see him.
Even those who pierced him will see him.
All the nations of the earth will be sad because of him.


REV 2:13
He was dressed in a long robe with a gold strip of cloth around his chest. 14The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow. His eyes were like a blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze metal glowing in a furnace. His voice sounded like rushing waters. 16He held seven stars in his right hand. Out of his mouth came a sharp sword that had two edges. His face was like the sun shining in all of its brightness.

So you think the above is literal? And Luke 17:20-21 is wrong concerning where the kingdom of God is located.