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CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 07:04 AM
Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."

patrick jane
October 26th, 2015, 07:23 AM
Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."

First, I need to see and touch some dark matter.

chrysostom
October 26th, 2015, 07:59 AM
it is not
something from nothing
it is all an illusion of a non dual nature
but
it is still real
so
what you see as creation
is
just a morphing of something that already exists

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 08:09 AM
it is not
something from nothing
it is all an illusion of a non dual nature
but
it is still real
so
what you see as creation
is
just a morphing of something that already exists

Perhaps, but it has no atomic structure to define it. How else would a person who lived many years ago describe it?

chrysostom
October 26th, 2015, 08:15 AM
Perhaps, but it has no atomic structure to define it. How else would a person who lived many years ago describe it?

with its attributes

PureX
October 26th, 2015, 08:22 AM
Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."Scientists don't know what 'dark matter' is. And neither do you.

ok doser
October 26th, 2015, 08:24 AM
it's a theoretical construct to make high level macro physics equations work


think of it as a mega fudge factor


mmmmmmmm, fudge

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 09:19 AM
Scientists don't know what 'dark matter' is. And neither do you.

Dark Matter is accepted by the mainstream scientific community. The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, on radiation, and on the large-scale structure of the universe. The presence of dark matter in the universe, including gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet Cluster, the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies and, more recently, the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background. According to cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle.

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 09:22 AM
with its attributes

Give us an example of how a person living more than 2000 years ago would describe it?

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 09:28 AM
Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

We now know that the world is suspended by gravity. Did people living thousands of years ago know there was a force called gravity?

PureX
October 26th, 2015, 09:31 AM
Dark Matter is accepted by the mainstream scientific community. The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, on radiation, and on the large-scale structure of the universe. The presence of dark matter in the universe, including gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet Cluster, the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies and, more recently, the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background. According to cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle.Right, so we have no idea what it actually is. And in fact have only recently become aware of it existing at all. So it would be quite foolish to use it as proof of some philosophical proposition.

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 10:34 AM
Right, so we have no idea what it actually is. And in fact have only recently become aware of it existing at all. So it would be quite foolish to use it as proof of some philosophical proposition.
We are able to see it with special equipment.
Philosophy is for Bozo's, and a term destined for the garbage can. How wise was Philo for believing in gods made of wood and stone?

chrysostom
October 26th, 2015, 10:49 AM
Give us an example of how a person living more than 2000 years ago would describe it?

the bible

rexlunae
October 26th, 2015, 11:04 AM
Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."

It isn't nothing. It interacts gravitationally with the rest of the Universe, ergo it has mass, ergo it can't be "nothing". And we also don't know that it doesn't have atomic bonds. It isn't thought to bond with the matter that we're more familiar with, but we just don't know a lot about what it actually is.

ok doser
October 26th, 2015, 11:06 AM
again, it's a fudge factor


did any of you guys actually do science?



research "correction factors"

:think:

or splines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spline_%28mathematics%29) - that was one of my basic tools when i was doing stats work - playing with splines

"What do you want the data to look like?"
"How many inflection points can I use?"

chrysostom
October 26th, 2015, 11:18 AM
It isn't nothing.

is a hologram nothing?

ok doser
October 26th, 2015, 11:20 AM
We are able to see it with special equipment.


we're able to see effects that we attribute to the construct we call "dark matter"

chrysostom
October 26th, 2015, 11:25 AM
we're able to see effects that we attribute to the construct we call "dark matter"

all you have to do is name it
and
then argue about what it is

ok doser
October 26th, 2015, 11:26 AM
i know what it is

it's a fudge factor to make their equations work

rexlunae
October 26th, 2015, 11:29 AM
is a hologram nothing?

No. And also: huh?

chrysostom
October 26th, 2015, 11:33 AM
No. And also: huh?

you got the right answer
but
don't know why

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 12:38 PM
The belief that God created from nothing comes from the Ramban comments on Genesis: http://www.sefaria.org/Ramban_on_Genesis.1.1/he/Ramban_on_Torah_-_Da'at_Version?lang=en&layout=lines&sidebarLang=all

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 12:47 PM
Dark Matter as seen with the Hubble Space Telescope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#/media/File:COSMOS_3D_dark_matter_map.jpg

rexlunae
October 26th, 2015, 02:38 PM
you got the right answer
but
don't know why

You do?

gcthomas
October 26th, 2015, 02:59 PM
Dark Matter as seen with the Hubble Space Telescope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#/media/File:COSMOS_3D_dark_matter_map.jpg

That is a map, not a photo, of dark matter. You can't photograph dark matter. It's in the name.

Ben Masada
October 26th, 2015, 03:28 PM
Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."

Do you have any idea about Creation ex nihilo? Does it bring any relationship with quantum mechanics?

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 05:35 PM
Do you any idea about Creation ex nihilo? Does it bring any relationship with quantum mechanics?

The relationship is most likely subatomic.

CherubRam
October 26th, 2015, 05:38 PM
That is a map, not a photo, of dark matter. You can't photograph dark matter. It's in the name.

I said it could be seen with special equipment.

gcthomas
October 27th, 2015, 02:51 AM
I said it could be seen with special equipment.

It cannot be seen at all.

It's presence can be deduced by analysing the statistical pattern of apparent shapes of distant galaxies and computer modelling the structure of the dark matter until it produces distortion patterns similar to what is observed.

CherubRam
October 28th, 2015, 03:56 AM
It cannot be seen at all.

It's presence can be deduced by analysing the statistical pattern of apparent shapes of distant galaxies and computer modelling the structure of the dark matter until it produces distortion patterns similar to what is observed.

We can not see wind or gravity either, but we can feel the effects. We can see the effects of wind, gravity, and dark matter with special equipment.

CherubRam
November 4th, 2015, 03:08 AM
For some, Dark Matter is what they find in their diaper. :rotfl:

CherubRam
March 17th, 2016, 09:53 AM
Hey Jose!