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musterion
October 25th, 2015, 06:08 AM
The clergyman was brutally tortured for nine days by al-Qaeda militants he claims were targeting Christian priests with the knowledge of the corrupt Iraqi government.

The sadistic fanatics knocked his teeth out with a hammer, broke his back and threatened to cut his head off and send it to his family.

But the peaceful priest revealed how his torturers were also wracked with insecurities and secretly turned to him as a spiritual leader when their superiors were not looking.

He told Express.co.uk: “During the day I was a spiritual father to them. They used to ask me questions, private questions. One of them asked me about what can I do with my wife she’s always picky, I told him you have to show her love.

“It was bizarre – I said to him I’m giving you advice on your love life but here I am in chains.”Yet for all that, he did not share the Gospel of the grace of God with them. Anyone want to guess why not?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614132/Al-qaeda-Islamist-jihadis-Christian-priest-sex-torture-Iraq-Baghdad

Angel4Truth
October 25th, 2015, 04:42 PM
Question: How exactly was he a "spiritual father" to them if he never shared the gospel of salvation?

annabenedetti
October 25th, 2015, 06:19 PM
Yet for all that, he did not share the Gospel of the grace of God with them. Anyone want to guess why not?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614132/Al-qaeda-Islamist-jihadis-Christian-priest-sex-torture-Iraq-Baghdad

It's so easy for you to talk big and sanctimonious when you're not getting your nose broken, your back broken, your teeth knocked out, and threatened with beheading. That priest who was prepared to be a martyr has more Christian charity in one drop of his blood than you have in your entire self-righteous body. You have no idea what he shared, yet you sit in comfort and safety and look down your nose at him. You make me sick.

Lazy afternoon
October 25th, 2015, 06:49 PM
Question: How exactly was he a "spiritual father" to them if he never shared the gospel of salvation?

Well maybe he was living it.

LA

Granite
October 25th, 2015, 07:29 PM
It's so easy for you to talk big and sanctimonious when you're not getting your nose broken, your back broken, your teeth knocked out, and threatened with beheading. That priest who was prepared to be a martyr has more Christian charity in one drop of his blood than you have in your entire self-righteous body. You have no idea what he shared, yet you sit in comfort and safety and look down your nose at him. You make me sick.

These people whine and bleat about their own imagined "persecution" in this country, then mock their brethren actually going through it. Beyond repulsive.

Idolater
October 25th, 2015, 07:34 PM
For crying out loud what's your problem. When's the last time you partook of the bread and of the cup? Or...do you not do that?

Yet for all that, he did not share the Gospel of the grace of God with them. Anyone want to guess why not?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614132/Al-qaeda-Islamist-jihadis-Christian-priest-sex-torture-Iraq-Baghdad

aikido7
October 25th, 2015, 08:35 PM
Yet for all that, he did not share the Gospel of the grace of God with them. Anyone want to guess why not?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614132/Al-qaeda-Islamist-jihadis-Christian-priest-sex-torture-Iraq-Baghdad

Anyone who sees "the enemy" as human and worthy of God's love is unwittingly carrying out the Kingdom of God on earth.

Jesus is the norm of my Bible and he is the standard for godly human behavior.

This man is spreading the gospel, whether you or he would admit it or not.

aikido7
October 25th, 2015, 08:37 PM
Question: How exactly was he a "spiritual father" to them if he never shared the gospel of salvation?What is salvation to you?

Salvation, as Jesus demonstrated, is all about transformation in this life.

He granted salvation to many long before he was killed on a cross.

patrick jane
October 25th, 2015, 08:41 PM
Yet for all that, he did not share the Gospel of the grace of God with them. Anyone want to guess why not?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614132/Al-qaeda-Islamist-jihadis-Christian-priest-sex-torture-Iraq-Baghdad

your link was too jumbled - why not ?

aCultureWarrior
October 26th, 2015, 12:39 AM
Yet for all that, he did not share the Gospel of the grace of God with them. Anyone want to guess why not?

https://i.imgflip.com/mgtk4.jpg

Cruciform
October 26th, 2015, 01:42 PM
Yet for all that, he did not share the Gospel of the grace of God with them.
Proof, please.

Wick Stick
October 26th, 2015, 01:45 PM
The National Enquirer would like to borrow the title of this post for their upcoming issue...

Tambora
October 26th, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jesus is the norm of my Bible and he is the standard for godly human behavior.

OK.


Matthew 16 KJV
(20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Grosnick Marowbe
October 26th, 2015, 01:55 PM
It's so easy for you to talk big and sanctimonious when you're not getting your nose broken, your back broken, your teeth knocked out, and threatened with beheading. That priest who was prepared to be a martyr has more Christian charity in one drop of his blood than you have in your entire self-righteous body. You have no idea what he shared, yet you sit in comfort and safety and look down your nose at him. You make me sick.

Take some Tums and lie down for awhile.

Angel4Truth
October 26th, 2015, 02:32 PM
What is salvation to you?



Having my sins covered by Christ and in restored relationship to God. What is it to you?

aikido7
October 27th, 2015, 03:02 PM
OK.


Matthew 16 KJV
(20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ."Why do you call ME good? Only God is good!"

Jesus did not consider himself divine or "the Light of the World." After his death he was given his exalted titles by his followers.

Jesus referred to himself as a prophet--obliquely, not directly--and called himself "Son of Man." That term is translated as "Son of Adam" or simply "human being."

aikido7
October 27th, 2015, 03:06 PM
Having my sins covered by Christ and in restored relationship to God. What is it to you?I can agree with your personal interpretation.

Where I might disagree is that God requires the spilling of blood to ensure our salvation.

Jesus offered and granted salvation to many long before he turned his face toward Jerusalem for the final time.

Salvation is all about transformation in this life.

Angel4Truth
October 27th, 2015, 05:17 PM
I can agree with your personal interpretation.

Where I might disagree is that God requires the spilling of blood to ensure our salvation.

Jesus offered and granted salvation to many long before he turned his face toward Jerusalem for the final time.

Salvation is all about transformation in this life.

Your "disagreement" denies the mode of salvation and goes against scripture.

Hebrews 9:22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

Acts 20:28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

1 Corinthians 6:20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

aikido7
October 27th, 2015, 07:08 PM
Your "disagreement" denies the mode of salvation and goes against scripture. My disagreement denies your interpretation of the "mode of salvation" and goes against your opinion of scripture.

Some traditions of the Bible maintain a blood sacrifice for sin is needed. Other traditions--particularly the oldest one--speaks to a God of mercy who demands repentance and a contrite heart.

This is Jesus's tradition--in my view. This is the tradition I believe in and that makes the most sense to me.


Hebrews 9:22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

Acts 20:28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

1 Corinthians 6:20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

The Bible must be interpreted by humans.

I look for patterns of traditions and hold to a belief in a Jesus who talked of a God that desires "mercy, not sacrifice." A God who sets the world right by acknowledging a command to work out our conflicts with others by beginning to forgive our sins/debts/trespasses by first forgiving ourselves and then forgiving others.

You and I have a different interpretation. I understand your interpretation completely, I think. You are certainly not the only one who holds this idea of obedience to God.

Angel4Truth
October 27th, 2015, 07:27 PM
My disagreement denies your interpretation of the "mode of salvation" and goes against your opinion of scripture.



Only i didnt give an interpretation or an opinion, i quoted the bible itself. The bible calls you a false teacher that denies the purchase of believers by His blood.

aikido7
October 27th, 2015, 07:39 PM
Only i didnt give an interpretation or an opinion, i quoted the bible itself. The bible calls you a false teacher that denies the purchase of believers by His blood.I quote the Bible myself, to argue for taking other contradictory traditions seriously.

Jesus did not believe in a blood sacrifice for sin. Neither did John the Baptizer.

Paul and the writer of the Gospel of John did. And Anselm of Canterbury worked out all the fine points of this theology some 900 years after the crucifixion.

I will be more than happy to quote the Bible. It is a complex weave of remembered history, theologies, traditions, myths and legends.
These different genres are also interpretations.

aikido7
October 27th, 2015, 07:42 PM
The term "ransom for many" says nothing about a blood sacrifice for sin. It has to do with the payment given to captors to release a captive in the first century.

Angel4Truth
October 27th, 2015, 07:46 PM
Your "disagreement" denies the mode of salvation and goes against scripture.

Hebrews 9:22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

Acts 20:28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

1 Corinthians 6:20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

aikido7
October 27th, 2015, 07:59 PM
The
Greek word for "ransom" is lutron. It refers to a payment of money, not a blood sacrifice for sin. It is the payment made to release a person from captivity.