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Idolater
October 23rd, 2015, 09:28 AM
I started off my morning by eating Christ's body and drinking his blood. A cracker and a shooter of elderberry cordial.

Anybody else? I love starting off my day with him.

WonderfulLordJesus
October 23rd, 2015, 10:02 AM
Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Matthew 12

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Idolater
October 23rd, 2015, 10:06 AM
So I'm guessing that you did not similarly start off your morning then. :Plain:

You're missing out! :cloud9:

Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Matthew 12

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

heir
October 23rd, 2015, 10:10 AM
I started off my morning by eating Christ's body and drinking his blood. A cracker and a shooter of elderberry cordial.

Anybody else? I love starting off my day with him.Christ is the head and the church (and I'm not talking the "Catholic church") is His Body (Ephesians 1:22-23 KJV). Christ is in the believer (Colossians 1:27 KJV) not a cracker.

Idolater
October 23rd, 2015, 10:14 AM
So I'm guessing that you did not similarly start off your morning then. :Plain:

You're missing out! :cloud9:

Christ is the head and the church (and I'm not talking the "Catholic church") is His Body (Ephesians 1:22-23 KJV). Christ is in the believer (Colossians 1:27 KJV) not a cracker.

patrick jane
October 23rd, 2015, 10:30 AM
Christ is the head and the church (and I'm not talking the "Catholic church") is His Body (Ephesians 1:22-23 KJV). Christ is in the believer (Colossians 1:27 KJV) not a cracker.

You callin' me a cracker ?

daqq
October 23rd, 2015, 06:58 PM
I started off my morning by eating Christ's body and drinking his blood. A cracker and a shooter of elderberry cordial.

Anybody else? I love starting off my day with him.

Started the day with the tamiyd-continual morning ascending prayer offering of my lips. Then opened the bread of the Word and partook of the bread of life, living waters, and Testimony of Yeshua, (which Testimony is the blood because he purchased that Testimony given him from above with his own blood and therefore purchased me if I have that Testimony tabernacling within me). :)

Idolater
October 24th, 2015, 05:45 PM
I partook of the bread and the cup this morning. :)

What is "the tamiyd-continual morning ascending prayer offering?"

Started the day with the tamiyd-continual morning ascending prayer offering of my lips. Then opened the bread of the Word and partook of the bread of life, living waters, and Testimony of Yeshua, (which Testimony is the blood because he purchased that Testimony given him from above with his own blood and therefore purchased me if I have that Testimony tabernacling within me). :)

daqq
October 24th, 2015, 08:48 PM
I partook of the bread and the cup this morning. :)

What is "the tamiyd-continual morning ascending prayer offering?"

Ah, sorry about that, tamiyd is simply a word that means continual or perpetual. When using it this way it is mainly for my own good as it helps to ring the bells and pomegranates because of what things it is used for. Here are the first seven:

1) The tamiyd-continual shewbread, (bread of life) - Exodus 25:30
2) The beaten pure olive oil for the continually burning Menorah - Exodus 27:20
3) The breastplate of the twelve stones twelve tribes upon the heart - Exodus 28:29-30
4) The set apart name, "Holy to YHWH", upon the forehead of the priest - Exodus 28:38
5) The twice daily tamiyd-continual `olah-ascending offering by fire - Exodus 29:38-42
6) The incense offering upon the golden altar, (prayers of the saints) - Exodus 30:8
7) The fire upon the altar shall be tamiyd-continual and not go out - Leviticus 6:13

So if you have the continual shewbread of life, (Testimony of Yeshua, John 6:48-51) and the pure virgin oil olive beaten fine for your lamp, (the lamp which lights the inside of the body is the eye, Matthew 6:22) and the names of the twelve tribes and twelve apostles of the Lamb upon your heart in remembrance, and the name of the Father upon your forehead, (and yourself set apart as holy unto Him) and offer up your morning and evening ascending prayers tamiyd-continually, day by day, with the incense of the prayers of the holy ones united by the fire of immersion in Messiah, (Revelation 8:4) then surely the fire upon the altar of your heart will not go out. :)

Bradley D
October 24th, 2015, 11:39 PM
Christ told His disciples to conduct the bread and wine ceremony in remembrance of His sacrifice upon the cross. Even though then the disciples were not sure of what Jesus spoke of. Paul also specified that the ceremony should be kept. Paul also criticized those who used the ceremony as a time to eat and get drunk (1 Cor. 11).

What is in ones heart when participating in the ceremony will be known by God.

Idolater
October 25th, 2015, 07:13 PM
Okay. First of all. What the censored is with the guy who gave me a red rep? "Into Joy." Yeah right! For the original post? Whatever. You said: No. You could have just said No without the red rep. It says something that you did it with the red rep.

I'm guessing you didn't partake of the bread and of the cup today either.

I did.

Second: I mixed the cordial with some water this morning and it was much nicer to drink Christ's blood if there's mixing with water. It makes me think of when he was speared on the cross by the Roman, and blood and water poured out of him: from the wound in his side.

He still has that wound on his glorified body now. The scars from the crucifixion survived resurrection, in other words. We'll have scars: can you imagine what Paul will look like? He may have a scar all the way around his neck from his beheading.

Idolater
October 25th, 2015, 07:14 PM
Are you Roman Catholic? :confused:

Ah, sorry about that, tamiyd is simply a word that means continual or perpetual. When using it this way it is mainly for my own good as it helps to ring the bells and pomegranates because of what things it is used for. Here are the first seven:

1) The tamiyd-continual shewbread, (bread of life) - Exodus 25:30
2) The beaten pure olive oil for the continually burning Menorah - Exodus 27:20
3) The breastplate of the twelve stones twelve tribes upon the heart - Exodus 28:29-30
4) The set apart name, "Holy to YHWH", upon the forehead of the priest - Exodus 28:38
5) The twice daily tamiyd-continual `olah-ascending offering by fire - Exodus 29:38-42
6) The incense offering upon the golden altar, (prayers of the saints) - Exodus 30:8
7) The fire upon the altar shall be tamiyd-continual and not go out - Leviticus 6:13

So if you have the continual shewbread of life, (Testimony of Yeshua, John 6:48-51) and the pure virgin oil olive beaten fine for your lamp, (the lamp which lights the inside of the body is the eye, Matthew 6:22) and the names of the twelve tribes and twelve apostles of the Lamb upon your heart in remembrance, and the name of the Father upon your forehead, (and yourself set apart as holy unto Him) and offer up your morning and evening ascending prayers tamiyd-continually, day by day, with the incense of the prayers of the holy ones united by the fire of immersion in Messiah, (Revelation 8:4) then surely the fire upon the altar of your heart will not go out. :)

Idolater
October 25th, 2015, 07:17 PM
I agree with everything you said here Bradley, thanks for posting! :)

Christ told His disciples to conduct the bread and wine ceremony in remembrance of His sacrifice upon the cross. Even though then the disciples were not sure of what Jesus spoke of. Paul also specified that the ceremony should be kept. Paul also criticized those who used the ceremony as a time to eat and get drunk (1 Cor. 11).

What is in ones heart when participating in the ceremony will be known by God.

aikido7
October 25th, 2015, 08:31 PM
I started off my morning by eating Christ's body and drinking his blood. A cracker and a shooter of elderberry cordial.

Anybody else? I love starting off my day with him.The pagan idea of a blood sacrifice and the eating and drinking of the flesh and blood is not needed.

Jesus believed in repentance, not sacrifice.
He offered and granted salvation to many before he turned his face toward Jerusalem for the final time.
He talked of a God who desired "Mercy, not Sacrifice."
As a Jew he would have had nothing but disgust at the idea of the drinking of blood and eating of flesh--even in a metaphorical sense.

The theology of atonement was applied to Jesus's death long after it happened. The final theology was actually not worked out until some 900 years after the crucifixion by the Christian theologian Anselm of Canterbury.

And by the way, elderberry cordial sounds delicious. Go easy, guy!

daqq
October 25th, 2015, 08:39 PM
Are you Roman Catholic? :confused:

No, in this strange place I appear to be "other". :)

Idolater
October 25th, 2015, 08:59 PM
The historical record is pretty clear on the fact that the earliest Christians (Idolaters of Christ) believed they were eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ. So: so do I. I think you're missing out: that you don't.

Also, the cordial is very nice. From Vermont. It was quite nice mixed with water this morning: I think I'll try that again.

The pagan idea of a blood sacrifice and the eating and drinking of the flesh and blood is not needed.

Jesus believed in repentance, not sacrifice.
He offered and granted salvation to many before he turned his face toward Jerusalem for the final time.
He talked of a God who desired "Mercy, not Sacrifice."
As a Jew he would have had nothing but disgust at the idea of the drinking of blood and eating of flesh--even in a metaphorical sense.

The theology of atonement was applied to Jesus's death long after it happened. The final theology was actually not worked out until some 900 years after the crucifixion by the Christian theologian Anselm of Canterbury.

And by the way, elderberry cordial sounds delicious. Go easy, guy!

Idolater
October 25th, 2015, 09:02 PM
Hm: Well, some of the themes in your post reminded me of Roman Catholic imagery and processes: that's why I asked.

Thanks! :)

No, in this strange place I appear to be "other". :)

patrick jane
October 25th, 2015, 09:04 PM
The historical record is pretty clear on the fact that the earliest Christians (Idolaters of Christ) believed they were eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ. So: so do I. I think you're missing out: that you don't.

Also, the cordial is very nice. From Vermont. It was quite nice mixed with water this morning: I think I'll try that again.

It truly is in remembrance -

Luke 22:19 KJV -


1 Corinthians 11:24 KJV - 1 Corinthians 11:25 KJV -

Idolater
October 25th, 2015, 09:12 PM
Right!

It truly is in remembrance -

Luke 22:19 KJV -


1 Corinthians 11:24 KJV - 1 Corinthians 11:25 KJV -

daqq
October 25th, 2015, 09:46 PM
Hm: Well, some of the themes in your post reminded me of Roman Catholic imagery and processes: that's why I asked.

Thanks! :)

You're welcome, but why RC? Do they use too much scripture for your taste?


The historical record is pretty clear on the fact that the earliest Christians (Idolaters of Christ) believed they were eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ. So: so do I. I think you're missing out: that you don't.

That appears to be a bright shiny example of why my label here is "other". :)

keypurr
October 25th, 2015, 10:16 PM
The historical record is pretty clear on the fact that the earliest Christians (Idolaters of Christ) believed they were eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ. So: so do I. I think you're missing out: that you don't.

Also, the cordial is very nice. From Vermont. It was quite nice mixed with water this morning: I think I'll try that again.

If Christ is in you why would you need to drink his blood and eat his flesh? Silly pagan traditions.

If your body is his Temple why would he not be in it?

aikido7
October 26th, 2015, 01:27 AM
The historical record is pretty clear on the fact that the earliest Christians (Idolaters of Christ) believed they were eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ. So: so do I. I think you're missing out: that you don't.

Also, the cordial is very nice. From Vermont. It was quite nice mixed with water this morning: I think I'll try that again.If they believed it literally, then they were strange indeed.

It's only in modern times--since the Enlightenment--that people are so fixated on the "factually correct." Religious people have always used metaphor and myth to describe the holy and the sacred. We discount metaphors, even though we use them every day. And we see myth as "fable" instead of a narrative that is within us and without us as human beings.

Is it that everyone knew they were only parable back then, or that they thought they were history back then, but now think they are parable right now?

Ancient people could hear those stories and not ask that question about literal truth. If they believed them, they were true. If not, not.

I find those ancients just like us and us moderns just like them. In matters of vital importance, moderns and ancient alike acept or reject stories far more on an ideological than an evidentiary basis. We too, Enlightenment or not, ask far too seldom: "Yes, but is that literally true?"

Both sides are definite, articulate, and unyielding. Neither side ever mentions a single shred of evidence either way. The story of JFK is true or false depending on the hearer's ideology. It is accepted or rejected as a metaphorical summary and symbolic condensation of one's vision of reality.

We began [with the Enlightenment] to think that ancient peoples ("other" peoples) told dumb, literal stories that we were now smart enough to recognize as such.

Not quite.

Those ancient people told smart, metaphorical stories that we were now dumb enough to take literally.

daqq
October 26th, 2015, 01:38 AM
If Christ is in you why would you need to drink his blood and eat his flesh? Silly pagan traditions.

If your body is his Temple why would he not be in it?

:thumb: Good points and questions! :)


Those ancient people told smart, metaphorical stories that we were now dumb enough to take literally.

:thumb: True so long as one understands that what most people today mean by "literal" is actually naturalism, (literal is only literal to them so long as it is physical in nature). SPIRIT is more literal, (and permanent) because it cannot be moved by the natural and carnal. :)

jamie
October 26th, 2015, 08:34 AM
If Christ is in you why would you need to drink his blood and eat his flesh?


Would it be because he said to do so?


For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread and when He had given thanks He broke it and said, “Take, eat, this is My body which is broken for you, do this in remembrance of Me.”

In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” (1 Corinthians 11:23-25 NKJV)

Idolater
October 26th, 2015, 09:34 AM
Not at all. I rather like how the Roman Catholics try to tie together all of the imagery in the Old Testament with the New. They seem to not like to leave loose ends, and I appreciate that about them.

why RC? Do they use too much scripture for your taste?

daqq
October 26th, 2015, 09:53 AM
Not at all. I rather like how the Roman Catholics try to tie together all of the imagery in the Old Testament with the New. They seem to not like to leave loose ends, and I appreciate that about them.

:thumb:

Not that I agree with the theology but, yes, we should all try to do the same.

Idolater
October 26th, 2015, 09:58 AM
You're overthinking it. Christ said to do it. This is the universal witness. You're sitting in judgment of what Christ actually said to do. You're the silly one. I'm sorry.

If Christ is in you why would you need to drink his blood and eat his flesh? Silly pagan traditions.

If your body is his Temple why would he not be in it?

Idolater
October 26th, 2015, 10:02 AM
All of the evidence I've seen indicates that "those ancient people" took Christ literally about the bread and the cup being his flesh and blood. I'm curious if you've seen evidence to the contrary? It seems universal that the earliest Idolaters of Christ believed they were eating Christ's flesh and drinking Christ's blood when they partook of the bread and the cup.

If they believed it literally, then they were strange indeed.

It's only in modern times--since the Enlightenment--that people are so fixated on the "factually correct." Religious people have always used metaphor and myth to describe the holy and the sacred. We discount metaphors, even though we use them every day. And we see myth as "fable" instead of a narrative that is within us and without us as human beings.

Is it that everyone knew they were only parable back then, or that they thought they were history back then, but now think they are parable right now?

Ancient people could hear those stories and not ask that question about literal truth. If they believed them, they were true. If not, not.

I find those ancients just like us and us moderns just like them. In matters of vital importance, moderns and ancient alike acept or reject stories far more on an ideological than an evidentiary basis. We too, Enlightenment or not, ask far too seldom: "Yes, but is that literally true?"

Both sides are definite, articulate, and unyielding. Neither side ever mentions a single shred of evidence either way. The story of JFK is true or false depending on the hearer's ideology. It is accepted or rejected as a metaphorical summary and symbolic condensation of one's vision of reality.

We began [with the Enlightenment] to think that ancient peoples ("other" peoples) told dumb, literal stories that we were now smart enough to recognize as such.

Not quite.

Those ancient people told smart, metaphorical stories that we were now dumb enough to take literally.

Idolater
October 26th, 2015, 10:42 AM
That's my reason. :thumb:

Would it be because he said to do so?


For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread and when He had given thanks He broke it and said, “Take, eat, this is My body which is broken for you, do this in remembrance of Me.”

In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” (1 Corinthians 11:23-25 NKJV)

Idolater
October 26th, 2015, 10:44 AM
Once again this morning, I partook of the bread and of the cup. Mixing water with the cordial is definitely the way to go. :thumb:

Anybody else? :)

Idolater
October 29th, 2015, 10:08 AM
Wow, I'm having a great time partaking of the bread and the cup each morning. :)

Anybody else?

SaulToPaul
October 29th, 2015, 10:10 AM
:chew:

"Taste and see that the Lord is good."

Idolater
October 29th, 2015, 11:20 AM
Amen to that! Indeed he is.

:chew:

"Taste and see that the Lord is good."