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Totton Linnet
October 22nd, 2015, 06:22 PM
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Poverty will kill you as sure as cancer will, Jesus said "all who came before Me were thieves and robbers....

the thief comes only for to steal and to kill and destroy you, but I am come that ye might have life and that ye might have it more abundantly"

When God created man He created him to have dominion over the creation, man could exercise only so long as he ruled in accordance with the wisdom by which everything was created.

When Satan tempted him it was with the view to usurping man's dominionship.

When Adam fell the kingdoms of this world were invaded with satanic power, Satan became the ruler, the prince of the power of the air and under him the host of wicked angels.

Devils, demons of sickness and poverty. Death literally became man's shepherd.

For THIS purpose was the Son of God made manifest that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Christ did this by bearing man's sin on the cross, He did it FOR us on our behalf....He literally became sin for us so that when He died our sin died with Him, now we can be raised to newness of life.

Christ also bore away the curse that had come upon mankind...sickness, poverty and death.

In order to receive the benefits of Christ's salvation we must place ourselves under His Lordship...swap our shepherd death for our Shepherd life.

It's not church, it's not religion, it's new Ownership

"The thief has come only for to steal, to kill and to destroy you. But I am come that you might have life and that you might have it more abundantly"

Come OUT from under the devil's lordship today, NOW, call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved

patrick jane
October 22nd, 2015, 06:27 PM
I have seen poverty firsthand. Spiritual poverty included.

Totton Linnet
October 22nd, 2015, 06:31 PM
...and I have slept under bushes

OCTOBER23
October 22nd, 2015, 06:32 PM
Poverty will NOT kill you .

I lived without any money alone in my van on handouts for six months and
I learned to depend on and be Closer to Our God.

Jesus gave up his Wealth to be dependent solely on HIS Father

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Totton Linnet
October 22nd, 2015, 06:37 PM
Yes God's promises become remarkably real and ALIVE when you haven't eaten in a while.....if of course you know what He has promised.

intojoy
October 22nd, 2015, 08:34 PM
All wrong. Again

aikido7
October 22nd, 2015, 09:22 PM
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Poverty will kill you as sure as cancer will, Jesus said "all who came before Me were thieves and robbers....

the thief comes only for to steal and to kill and destroy you, but I am come that ye might have life and that ye might have it more abundantly"

When God created man He created him to have dominion over the creation, man could exercise only so long as he ruled in accordance with the wisdom by which everything was created.

When Satan tempted him it was with the view to usurping man's dominionship.

When Adam fell the kingdoms of this world were invaded with satanic power, Satan became the ruler, the prince of the power of the air and under him the host of wicked angels.

Devils, demons of sickness and poverty. Death literally became man's shepherd.

For THIS purpose was the Son of God made manifest that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Christ did this by bearing man's sin on the cross, He did it FOR us on our behalf....He literally became sin for us so that when He died our sin died with Him, now we can be raised to newness of life.

Christ also bore away the curse that had come upon mankind...sickness, poverty and death.

In order to receive the benefits of Christ's salvation we must place ourselves under His Lordship...swap our shepherd death for our Shepherd life.

It's not church, it's not religion, it's new Ownership

"The thief has come only for to steal, to kill and to destroy you. But I am come that you might have life and that you might have it more abundantly"

Come OUT from under the devil's lordship today, NOW, call upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be savedPoverty--actually anyone's troubles--can be better understood by reducing it to the problems of one person.

For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in....

Jesus, in Matthew

I see it as a requirement.

Totton Linnet
October 23rd, 2015, 04:45 AM
Poverty will NOT kill you .

I lived without any money alone in my van on handouts for six months and
I learned to depend on and be Closer to Our God.

Jesus gave up his Wealth to be dependent solely on HIS Father

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

This is exactly what I said...you learned to depend on God, so could the people dragging in the dirt in the Sudan...faith cometh by hearing. But the good news is forbidden in Sudan..

WHO?

Who forbids the preaching of the gospel?, yes yes the local authorities, the religious leaders. backed up by the legislature and behind them all is the devil, actually an evil angel who is in control of and enforces poverty.

That is what I said poverty is a person.

Look at a map of the world, SEE where the poor spots are.

And I might say politely to you that for a child of God to be begging for bread is not scriptural.

To GIVE is scriptural, to beg is not...that's alright, I never aksed anybody for help in my troubles and my troubles came upon me more than once or twice...it takes discipline to BELIEVE God's word pure and simple. If God had not turned up I would have perished.

And tribulation is to be interpreted persecution.

Totton Linnet
October 23rd, 2015, 04:57 AM
Poverty--actually anyone's troubles--can be better understood by reducing it to the problems of one person.

For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in....

Jesus, in Matthew

I see it as a requirement.

Yes this is one of the ways God teaches us to overcome poverty, Christians grumble about Socialism and paying taxes but actually the principles come right out of the bible, and European socialism came out from the church largely.

But none of this answers the fundamental question of WHY poverty, WHERE does it come from, WHEN did it begin [it began the day Adam was chucked out of the Garden]

WHO? is in control of it?

Do you know why Africa is poor? can you explain why such a Nation with such natural resource and wealth can be poor?

Because the Europeans DECIDED among themselves to keep Africa poor. They divided the nation up into warring factions. DELIBERATELY they did this KNOWING it would cause utter deprivation, it was a deliberate political decision. They knew if they left Africa united then soon Africa would be the richest, most powerful nation in the world..

Behind colonialism and imperialism is GREED and power....the devil.

intojoy
October 23rd, 2015, 05:57 PM
God hath chosen the poor.

aikido7
October 23rd, 2015, 10:49 PM
Yes this is one of the ways God teaches us to overcome poverty, Christians grumble about Socialism and paying taxes but actually the principles come right out of the bible, and European socialism came out from the church largely.Especially the "structural 'socialism' " built into the culture of the Jews. The great prophets talked about "justice running down like water" and the people got together and insured a profound safety net was put into place. And then Jesus pushed that envelope even further. It was no longer just "socialist rule" but was now socialist morality in every person under God.


But none of this answers the fundamental question of WHY poverty, WHERE does it come from, WHEN did it begin [it began the day Adam was chucked out of the Garden]

WHO? is in control of it?We like simple answers to difficult problems. The causes of poverty are many and it depends on the historical and cultural situation as to which causes the most damage.

I would say that the causes are war, history (many poor countries are just emerging from colonial rule, etc.), big debts by the underdeveloped nations, discrimination and inequality, even natural disasters can affect economies today.


Do you know why Africa is poor? can you explain why such a Nation with such natural resource and wealth can be poor?Africa was run by the French and the British for hundreds of years. And maybe a few other countries--I am not sure.


Because the Europeans DECIDED among themselves to keep Africa poor. They divided the nation up into warring factions. DELIBERATELY they did this KNOWING it would cause utter deprivation, it was a deliberate political decision. They knew if they left Africa united then soon Africa would be the richest, most powerful nation in the world..


Behind colonialism and imperialism is GREED and power....the devil.I think these things have underlying good intentions behind them. It's just that the ways of carrying out those good intentions are handicapped by using not so good ways of expressing them.

Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Arthur Brain
October 23rd, 2015, 10:58 PM
This is exactly what I said...you learned to depend on God, so could the people dragging in the dirt in the Sudan...faith cometh by hearing. But the good news is forbidden in Sudan..

WHO?

Who forbids the preaching of the gospel?, yes yes the local authorities, the religious leaders. backed up by the legislature and behind them all is the devil, actually an evil angel who is in control of and enforces poverty.

That is what I said poverty is a person.

Look at a map of the world, SEE where the poor spots are.

And I might say politely to you that for a child of God to be begging for bread is not scriptural.

To GIVE is scriptural, to beg is not...that's alright, I never aksed anybody for help in my troubles and my troubles came upon me more than once or twice...it takes discipline to BELIEVE God's word pure and simple. If God had not turned up I would have perished.

And tribulation is to be interpreted persecution.

Lazarus begged if you take the parable literally. Was he wrong to do so, starving and being covered in sores and all?

:Plain:

Bradley D
October 23rd, 2015, 11:47 PM
Living in the Philippines I am surrounded by poverty. My wife has many relatives many make it day by day. My parents grew up during the Great Depression in the USA. They often spoke of their struggles.

The poor will always be here in the present world. Not because God likes it, but because of the sin of man. A world where money is god.

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land" (Deut. 15:11).

"The poor you will always have with you..." (Matthew 26:11)

Totton Linnet
October 24th, 2015, 06:40 AM
God hath chosen the poor.

He lifteth the beggar out of the dung heap and maketh him a prince,


He who was rich became poor that we might be the riches of God.


"Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us, and I would to God that ye did reign that we might reign with you"

Totton Linnet
October 24th, 2015, 06:47 AM
Especially the "structural 'socialism' " built into the culture of the Jews. The great prophets talked about "justice running down like water" and the people got together and insured a profound safety net was put into place. And then Jesus pushed that envelope even further. It was no longer just "socialist rule" but was now socialist morality in every person under God.

We like simple answers to difficult problems. The causes of poverty are many and it depends on the historical and cultural situation as to which causes the most damage.

I would say that the causes are war, history (many poor countries are just emerging from colonial rule, etc.), big debts by the underdeveloped nations, discrimination and inequality, even natural disasters can affect economies today.

Africa was run by the French and the British for hundreds of years. And maybe a few other countries--I am not sure.

Because the Europeans DECIDED among themselves to keep Africa poor. They divided the nation up into warring factions. DELIBERATELY they did this KNOWING it would cause utter deprivation, it was a deliberate political decision. They knew if they left Africa united then soon Africa would be the richest, most powerful nation in the world..

I think these things have underlying good intentions behind them. It's just that the ways of carrying out those good intentions are handicapped by using not so good ways of expressing them.

Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

No one can serve two masters...ye cannot serve both God and Mammon.

You tell me who the average Joe is serving as first importance....you poor, you gotta serve, the poorer you are the harder and longer you gotta serve.

No...poverty has a beginning and a root cause. Adam and Eve lived in a garden of great beauty and abundance...THAT is God's will for mankind.

When he sinned he was thrust out of the garden, the ground was cursed for his sake. THAT is where poverty began.

Totton Linnet
October 24th, 2015, 06:52 AM
Lazarus begged if you take the parable literally. Was he wrong to do so, starving and being covered in sores and all?

:Plain:

Of course he wasn't...don't be daft....Dives was wrong in not meeting his needs out of his prosperity.

We in the west know VERY WELL the plight of the poor in other nations, we will be held to account as Dives was....but there are poor on our doorsteps.

The reason people do not give is because they do not believe God's promise

"Give and it shall be given you again...good measure"

Totton Linnet
October 24th, 2015, 07:05 AM
Living in the Philippines I am surrounded by poverty. My wife has many relatives many make it day by day. My parents grew up during the Great Depression in the USA. They often spoke of their struggles.

The poor will always be here in the present world. Not because God likes it, but because of the sin of man. A world where money is god.

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land" (Deut. 15:11).

"The poor you will always have with you..." (Matthew 26:11)

"The poor you will always have with you" does not mean "you will always be poor"

You agree with my OP the cause of poverty is sin, money is god....there is a flood of philosophy that flows from these facts...and behind it is a person...the devil.

Christians believe in the devil but somehow they don't believe he is active, they do not attribute the evil that they see so plainly all around them to him and to the fact that he is the ruler of this present darkness.

BUT

he has been defeated

They even attribute to God things that the devil does, sickness and poverty. Or else they are fatalistic in accepting these things as the way things are.

Should Bartimeus have accepted his blindness? Does God not have ANY solutions?

I say He does and His solution is the cross...Bartimeus was healed in view of the cross, the people were fed in view of it.

There is healing, deliverance and if people can accept it provision for every human need at the cross. Salvation for the whole man.

chrysostom
October 24th, 2015, 07:16 AM
Poverty is a person....oh yes

oh no
only if words have no meaning for you
and
we already know you have your very own dictionary

Totton Linnet
October 24th, 2015, 07:16 AM
Living in the Philippines I am surrounded by poverty. My wife has many relatives many make it day by day. My parents grew up during the Great Depression in the USA. They often spoke of their struggles.

The poor will always be here in the present world. Not because God likes it, but because of the sin of man. A world where money is god.

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land" (Deut. 15:11).

"The poor you will always have with you..." (Matthew 26:11)


Hi Brad.

Yes all around is people...poverty

Once all around were sinners...was that God's will? is it God's will that there are still so many sinners all around? what is going to save them?

What saved the prodigal son? what was it that finally brought him to his senses? was it not his poverty? was it not his rememberance of his Father's great wealth and His great kindness even to servants?

You see now, if you ever stand up to preach to a crowd...they may all be sinners...you are preaching they can be made righteous...do YOU make them righteous? can YOU born them again?

How utterly impossible a thing preaching is, Paul calls it foolishness.

We do it in the hope and knowledge that God will back us up, what we declare in His name He will make good.

It is the same "hopeless, foolish" task to stand before people in rags and preach God's abundant provision.

Totton Linnet
October 24th, 2015, 07:20 AM
Poverty is a person....oh yes

oh no
only if words have no meaning for you
and
we already know you have your very own dictionary

Well you are the one who has been saying he rides on a horse in the apocalypse

chrysostom
October 24th, 2015, 07:26 AM
Well you are the one who has been saying he rides on a horse in the apocalypse

that is not true
and
wonder how you come up with this stuff

I have real people riding on the first three horses
constantine
mohammed
marx

Totton Linnet
October 24th, 2015, 07:30 AM
that is not true
and
wonder how you come up with this stuff

I have real people riding on the first three horses
constantine
mohammed
marx

All of them driven, all of them subjugators, all of them enforcers of their will and their philoshphies upon the masses.

I say their philosophies came from the devil.

chrysostom
October 24th, 2015, 07:39 AM
All of them driven, all of them subjugators, all of them enforcers of their will and their philoshphies upon the masses.

I say their philosophies came from the devil.

how can we know what you are saying?

you words have no meaning

aikido7
October 24th, 2015, 05:03 PM
No one can serve two masters...ye cannot serve both God and Mammon.I like the SV translation of this: "You cannot be enslaved by both God and a bank account."


You tell me who the average Joe is serving as first importance....you poor, you gotta serve, the poorer you are the harder and longer you gotta serve.I don't know where to go right now to find the statistics you would accept about "the average Joe."

I try to keep the discussion toward what Jesus taught.


No...poverty has a beginning and a root cause. Adam and Eve lived in a garden of great beauty and abundance...THAT is God's will for mankind.Some of that poverty was due to God's destruction of his (actually Israel's) "enemies." It takes a long time for anyone to recover from a disaster, and it leaves many average Joes struggling in poverty for the first time.


When he sinned he was thrust out of the garden, the ground was cursed for his sake. THAT is where poverty began.I understand your personal theology. I, like everyone else, have my own interpretation.

Lately I have been interested in what Cain and Abel can tell me about the prehistoric history of Israel. The test says that Abel works with livestock and Cain with agriculture. Does their family conflict have anything to do with how such activities were regarded in ancient times?

Have you heard of any interpretations like this from anthropologists who are students of the Bible?

I remember once Christian myth in medieval times where Cain arrives at the Moon, where he eternally settled with a bundle of twigs. It was this religious idea that gave us the idea of "the Man in the Moon." A face seen by humans interpreting God's creation.

Bradley D
October 24th, 2015, 10:51 PM
Hi Brad.

Yes all around is people...poverty

Once all around were sinners...was that God's will? is it God's will that there are still so many sinners all around? what is going to save them?

What saved the prodigal son? what was it that finally brought him to his senses? was it not his poverty? was it not his rememberance of his Father's great wealth and His great kindness even to servants?

You see now, if you ever stand up to preach to a crowd...they may all be sinners...you are preaching they can be made righteous...do YOU make them righteous? can YOU born them again?

How utterly impossible a thing preaching is, Paul calls it foolishness.

We do it in the hope and knowledge that God will back us up, what we declare in His name He will make good.

It is the same "hopeless, foolish" task to stand before people in rags and preach God's abundant provision.

Paul believed in preaching the gospel/good news. The word preach in Greek euaggelizˇ means "I bring good news, preach good tidings." I believe the effective preaching is that the one speaking shares about themselves. What life was like before, what happened, and how life living the gospel is for them today.

intojoy
October 24th, 2015, 10:56 PM
I must be on ignore

Sorry for the neg rep tot

Totton Linnet
October 25th, 2015, 03:33 PM
I must be on ignore

Sorry for the neg rep tot

You are not on ignore

Totton Linnet
October 25th, 2015, 03:45 PM
Paul believed in preaching the gospel/good news. The word preach in Greek euaggelizˇ means "I bring good news, preach good tidings." I believe the effective preaching is that the one speaking shares about themselves. What life was like before, what happened, and how life living the gospel is for them today.

Yes personal testimony is precious and effective but it is not the good news proclamation which has precedence...simply announcing the facts.

What precious testimonies my dear Brad those first generation disciples had, how many turned to the Lord when they heard the testimony of Dorcas who Peter raised from the dead...the whole region round about turned to the Lord.

Don't you believe that Chicago would have been shaken to the core with many turning to the Lord if such a testimony were told there?

I know whole townships, villages in Africa have turned to the Lord since the Pentecostal message has been preached there.

In China the house churches are entirely Pentecostal and whole provinces have been swept in...there are more born again Christians in China today than there are in N. America.

Is it durable? some of those pastors and evangelists have endured labour camps and cruelty for more than 20 years.

And of course now that there is a church in China, Africa...those nations are beginning to prosper.

It is the western church which sleeps

Angel4Truth
October 25th, 2015, 04:18 PM
In China the house churches are entirely Pentecostal

That is false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China

Totton Linnet
October 25th, 2015, 04:24 PM
I prefer the word of the Chinese Christians and western missionaries to Wiki.

aikido7
October 25th, 2015, 05:31 PM
Poverty is also people.

Totton Linnet
October 25th, 2015, 05:38 PM
Poverty is also people.

Yes poverty is caused by people, there is enough and more than enough to go round. The present world poverty is caused by trade agreements between the powerful nations, post imperial politics.

But these people are driven, don't you know that they could not be in the positions of power they are in unless they had completely sold their souls...to who?

I believe men reach their place of power [in the world] by the active help of the devil.

aikido7
October 25th, 2015, 05:50 PM
Yes poverty is caused by people, there is enough and more than enough to go round. The present world poverty is caused by trade agreements between the powerful nations, post imperial politics.

But these people are driven, don't you know that they could not be in the positions of power they are in unless they had completely sold their souls...to who?

I believe men reach their place of power [in the world] by the active help of the devil.
Of all the subjects Jesus address, poverty and income inequality were foremost.

The Roman Empire's economy totally dislocated the culture in Jesus's day.

Archeologists recently found the evidence of fish processing plants near the Sea of Galilee.

...No wonder the "small business" fisherman went to follow Jesus.
There was no use in being exploited by the system and prevented from earning a living....

aikido7
October 25th, 2015, 05:53 PM
I believe men reach their place of power [in the world] by the active help of the devil.If it is the "devil" which turns us from empathy with the less fortunate and makes us enslaved to a bank account (Jesus called it "mammon") then I agree in that these are actions that turn our faces from God.

Bradley D
October 25th, 2015, 09:06 PM
Yes personal testimony is precious and effective but it is not the good news proclamation which has precedence...simply announcing the facts.

What precious testimonies my dear Brad those first generation disciples had, how many turned to the Lord when they heard the testimony of Dorcas who Peter raised from the dead...the whole region round about turned to the Lord.

Don't you believe that Chicago would have been shaken to the core with many turning to the Lord if such a testimony were told there?

I know whole townships, villages in Africa have turned to the Lord since the Pentecostal message has been preached there.

In China the house churches are entirely Pentecostal and whole provinces have been swept in...there are more born again Christians in China today than there are in N. America.

Is it durable? some of those pastors and evangelists have endured labour camps and cruelty for more than 20 years.

And of course now that there is a church in China, Africa...those nations are beginning to prosper.

It is the western church which sleeps

I believe it depends on the soil of the heart (Matthew 13:1-23). I believe those who are more desperate/thirsty are more willing to listen. In more developed countries money/things blinds and deafens people.

Lazy afternoon
October 25th, 2015, 11:26 PM
I believe it depends on the soil of the heart (Matthew 13:1-23). I believe those who are more desperate/thirsty are more willing to listen. In more developed countries money/things blinds and deafens people.

Yes.

Pro 19:1 Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool.

Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Psa 37:14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
Psa 37:15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
Psa 37:16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.

LA

Angel4Truth
October 26th, 2015, 02:42 PM
I prefer the word of the Chinese Christians and western missionaries to Wiki.

And they actually tell you that no other christian groups besides Pentecostals worship and mission there and have home churches there and you believe it?

Totton Linnet
October 26th, 2015, 02:43 PM
I believe it depends on the soil of the heart (Matthew 13:1-23). I believe those who are more desperate/thirsty are more willing to listen. In more developed countries money/things blinds and deafens people.

God's word comes with great POWER when it is addressed to people in need...the reason westerners do not care about poverty is because they are rich, they HAVE an abundant life...those who are well need not the physician.

But this to be HARD hearted toward the nations of the world where the people drag in the dirt and babies starve to death with flies in their eyes.

A reckoning is coming upon the west because of this, yes upon the western church.

The western church is HARD hearted.

Like when Jesus stood the man with the withered hand to the front and asked "is it right to do good on the Sabbath?"

And they answered Him not a word, He looked around in anger, GRIEVED at their hardness of heart. Westerners can be so uncaring about healing...until sickness hits them or their loved ones.

We pass by it all our lives.....

Healing and provision are all part of the gospel.

Totton Linnet
October 26th, 2015, 02:53 PM
And they actually tell you that no other christian groups besides Pentecostals worship and mission there and have home churches there and you believe it?

No they speak about the national Chinese church and the national Chinese Catholic church whose ministers are appointed by the government, they admit that some of these are saved but they not very lively.

You should study this subject Angel

Over 50 years ago Chairman Mao declared that the Christian church was no more in China...and the missionary society sadly agreed with him.

Now there are MILLIONS of Christians, it is a completely new thing God has done, all western influence was driven out of China

But God started sovereignly pouring out His Spirit in the remote provences...yes it is Pentecostal. And it is unstoppable flood.

er...I didn't say it was AOG or Foursquare or whatever...I said it is Pentecostal.

Angel4Truth
October 26th, 2015, 02:57 PM
No they speak about the national Chinese church and the national Chinese Catholic church whose ministers are appointed by the government, they admit that some of these are saved but they not very lively.

You should study this subject Angel

Over 50 years ago Chairman Mao declared that the Christian church was no more in China...and the missionary society sadly agreed with him.

Now there are MILLIONS of Christians, it is a completely new thing God has done, all western influence was driven out of China

But God started sovereignly pouring out His Spirit in the remote provences...yes it is Pentecostal. And it is unstoppable flood.

er...I didn't say it was AOG or Foursquare or whatever...I said it is Pentecostal.

I have and have given money to missions there, baptist ones. So whoever is telling you its only Pentecostal is lying to you.

Totton Linnet
October 26th, 2015, 03:13 PM
I'm talking about whole provences turning to the Lord in a sweep.....It's floods as opposed to Baptist piddles

I didn't mean ALL as in 100 % but the work of God worth talking about...and it is not denominational [clear your head] it is Pentecostal...as in the Holy Ghost

Angel4Truth
October 26th, 2015, 03:24 PM
I'm talking about whole provences turning to the Lord in a sweep.....It's floods as opposed to Baptist piddles...I didn't mean ALL as in 100 %....


Then you know what you said was a lie, yet said it anyway?

Totton Linnet
October 26th, 2015, 03:35 PM
No clear your head, I'm not talking denominations

Angel4Truth
October 26th, 2015, 03:37 PM
No clear your head, I'm not talking denominations

Either this statement is true, or its a lie, there is no inbetween on something like this:



In China the house churches are entirely Pentecostal

Lazy afternoon
October 26th, 2015, 03:38 PM
I have and have given money to missions there, baptist ones. So whoever is telling you its only Pentecostal is lying to you.

Pentecostals obey Acts 2:38.

Many Baptists are pentecostal, in fact increasing remarkable today.

LA

Totton Linnet
October 26th, 2015, 03:43 PM
Either this statement is true, or its a lie, there is no inbetween on something like this:

Clear your head, I am not talking denominations but the Holy Ghost.

The MILLIONS I am talking about are all saved by the Holy Ghost being poured out in a new way.

Angel4Truth
October 26th, 2015, 03:46 PM
In China the house churches are entirely Pentecostal

In other words, this is a lie.

Angel4Truth
October 26th, 2015, 03:48 PM
The MILLIONS I am talking about are all saved by the Holy Ghost being poured out in a new way.

The Holy Spirit isnt functioning in any "new" way.

Many other missions and denominations within Christianity operate within China other than Pentecostals. To say otherwise, is a deliberate mistruth.

Totton Linnet
October 26th, 2015, 04:03 PM
Clear your head I am not talking about denominations, and God IS working in a new way.

aikido7
October 27th, 2015, 03:00 PM
Clear your head, I am not talking denominations but the Holy Ghost.

The MILLIONS I am talking about are all saved by the Holy Ghost being poured out in a new way.The term "Holy Ghost" is a theological term which has been overlaid onto men's experience of the divine. It is an interpretation. It is a meaning assigned to certain sacred and holy experiences.

As a man-made term, it is going to have its limitations.