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republicanchick
October 16th, 2015, 03:38 PM
description of Hell.. Faustina's Diary 741


yeh, that is a good description of Hell... She was canonized, so I think we can trust her

yeh, I think a lot of evil doers.. think that Hell won't be tormenting... won't even be all that unpleasant

people make jokes about Hell... partying with their buddies and all that... taking over as boss... ousting Satan...

(having to watch the Dem Debate play in an endless loop? Sorry, couldn't help it..)


they won't be laughing when they get there...

and Jesus said MANY go there..

(Mt 7, Lk 13)

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Bradley D
October 17th, 2015, 12:49 AM
The Bible uses fire to describe hell. Being burned is one of the worst pains I can think of.

CherubRam
October 17th, 2015, 02:06 AM
description of Hell.. Faustina's Diary 741


yeh, that is a good description of Hell... She was canonized, so I think we can trust her

yeh, I think a lot of evil doers.. think that Hell won't be tormenting... won't even be all that unpleasant

people make jokes about Hell... partying with their buddies and all that... taking over as boss... ousting Satan...

(having to watch the Dem Debate play in an endless loop? Sorry, couldn't help it..)


they won't be laughing when they get there...

and Jesus said MANY go there..

(Mt 7, Lk 13)

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Hell is for children.
The word "Hell" was introduced into scriptures by Pagan Catholics, it is not part of the original teachings in Christian Judaism. It is not scriptural. It is a falsehood.

Timotheos
October 17th, 2015, 06:15 AM
description of Hell.. Faustina's Diary 741


yeh, that is a good description of Hell... She was canonized, so I think we can trust her

yeh, I think a lot of evil doers.. think that Hell won't be tormenting... won't even be all that unpleasant

people make jokes about Hell... partying with their buddies and all that... taking over as boss... ousting Satan...

(having to watch the Dem Debate play in an endless loop? Sorry, couldn't help it..)


they won't be laughing when they get there...

and Jesus said MANY go there..

(Mt 7, Lk 13)

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I don't see the description of Hell. Could you post it here?

Also, I read Matthew 7 and Luke 13 and I don't see where Jesus said that many people will go to hell. Could you provide the quote of Jesus saying this? Thanks! Yur the bestest!

Timotheos
October 17th, 2015, 06:22 AM
Never mind, I found the vision of Hell Torture on a website called "Divine Mercy Sunday". Apparently "Irony" is lost on some people.

http://www.divinemercysunday.com/vision.htm

I still would like the quote of Jesus saying that everyone is going to hell or whatever. Thanks...

OCTOBER23
October 17th, 2015, 06:44 AM
GEHENNA FIRE is just a big Garbage Dump where they will be burning

stuff by the heat of the OIL PITS in Arabia.

Sulfur (Brimstone) is produced as a byproduct of removing sulfur-containing contaminants
from natural gas and petroleum.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet
were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

CherubRam
October 17th, 2015, 12:07 PM
GEHENNA FIRE is just a big Garbage Dump where they will be burning

stuff by the heat of the OIL PITS in Arabia.

Sulfur (Brimstone) is produced as a byproduct of removing sulfur-containing contaminants
from natural gas and petroleum.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet
were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Gehenna was a dumpsite for broken pottery. There was no continual burning according to archaeological digs of the site.

patrick jane
October 17th, 2015, 12:13 PM
description of Hell.. Faustina's Diary 741


yeh, that is a good description of Hell... She was canonized, so I think we can trust her

yeh, I think a lot of evil doers.. think that Hell won't be tormenting... won't even be all that unpleasant

people make jokes about Hell... partying with their buddies and all that... taking over as boss... ousting Satan...

(having to watch the Dem Debate play in an endless loop? Sorry, couldn't help it..)


they won't be laughing when they get there...

and Jesus said MANY go there..

(Mt 7, Lk 13)

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patrick jane
October 17th, 2015, 12:15 PM
and Jesus said MANY go there..

(Mt 7, Lk 13)

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Mostly Catholics

boristhespider
October 17th, 2015, 12:40 PM
So is it just me or are people skirting round the question , where and when is Hell directly referenced by name and portrayed as the realm of the Devil , using associations and depictions of sulphur lakes or whatever miserable destination you choose , is a far cry from seeing Hell directly described and associated to the Devil. Im no expert and am totally open to all view points so please provide the black and white version of the answer.

ok doser
October 17th, 2015, 12:44 PM
whatever timmy tells you, believe the opposite

WonderfulLordJesus
October 17th, 2015, 12:44 PM
Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Matthew 13:40-42 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41,46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 9:42-48 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

CherubRam
October 17th, 2015, 06:21 PM
Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Matthew 13:40-42 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41,46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 9:42-48 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Rich Man and Lazarus

Luke 16:19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Theophilus is the name or honorary title of the person to whom the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles are addressed (Luke 1:3, Acts 1:1)

It is unanimously agreed that both Luke and Acts were originally written in Koine Greek, and that "Theophilos," as it appears therein, means friend of God or (be)loved by God or loving God in the Greek language.

No one knows the true identity of Theophilus who wrote the story, and there are more than several conjectures and traditions around an identity.
In all there are about eight traditions based upon that story. Again I say: Hell has never been a doctrinal belief in Judaism.

Don't you think if Yahshua was to introduce a new doctrine that he would at least explain the story? Would Christ promote the Pagan belief in Hell?


Hades ( /ˈheɪdiːz/; from Greek ᾍδης (older form Ἀϝίδης), Hadēs, originally Ἅιδης, Haidēs or Άΐδης, Aidēs (Doric Ἀΐδας Aidas), meaning "the unseen") was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. The genitive ᾍδου, Haidou, was an elision to denote locality: "[the house/dominion] of Hades". Eventually, the nominative came to designate the abode of the dead.

In Greek mythology, Hades is the oldest male child of Cronus and Rhea. According to myth, he and his brothers Zeus and Poseidon defeated the Titans and claimed rulership over the cosmos, ruling the underworld, air, and sea, respectively; the solid earth, long the province of Gaia, was available to all three concurrently.

Hades was also called "Plouton" (Greek: Πλούτων, gen.: Πλούτωνος, meaning "Rich One"), a name which the Romans Latinized as Pluto. The Romans would associate Hades/Pluto with their own chthonic gods, Dis Pater and Orcus. The corresponding Etruscan god was Aita. Symbols associated with him are the Helm of Darkness, the bident and the three-headed dog, Cerberus.

patrick jane
October 17th, 2015, 06:24 PM
So is it just me or are people skirting round the question , where and when is Hell directly referenced by name and portrayed as the realm of the Devil , using associations and depictions of sulphur lakes or whatever miserable destination you choose , is a far cry from seeing Hell directly described and associated to the Devil. Im no expert and am totally open to all view points so please provide the black and white version of the answer.

search hell in the Bible and it will pull up all scriptures concerning hell. Nobody is skirting the issue, most of us here aren't going to hell so there is no sense focusing on the descriptions. From what I remember reading, it's no fun there.

CherubRam
October 17th, 2015, 06:29 PM
The Anglo Saxon word “hel” meaning to bury. It is more than a mistranslation, it's a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.

Tar-ta-rus (tartarus) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1. An infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a. The home of the dead, beneath the earth. b The god of the underworld. 2. Bible: The state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (sheol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] A place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead. Note: In the KJV about half of scriptures are translated as hell, the other half as grave.

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem.

Topheth is believed to be a location in Jerusalem, in the Valley of Hinnom, where the Canaanites sacrificed children to the god Moloch by burning them alive.

Isaiah 30:33
Topheth has long been prepared; it has been made ready for the king. Its fire pit has been made deep and wide, with an abundance of fire and wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of burning sulfur, sets it ablaze.

Jeremiah 7:31-32
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. So beware, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when people will no longer call it Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter, for they will bury the dead in Topheth until there is no more room.

fzappa13
October 17th, 2015, 06:52 PM
search hell in the Bible and it will pull up all scriptures concerning hell. Nobody is skirting the issue, most of us here aren't going to hell so there is no sense focusing on the descriptions. From what I remember reading, it's no fun there.

um ... Hell is the grave PJ.

Timotheos
October 18th, 2015, 05:30 AM
[B][FONT="Georgia"]description of Hell.. Faustina's Diary 741

yeh, that is a good description of Hell... She was canonized, so I think we can trust her


I think we should trust the words of Jesus rather than Faustina.
In Matthew 10:28 Jesus said, "fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell". But Faustina says that the torture of hell is "fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it."

She contradicted the words of Jesus Christ.