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Robert Pate
October 10th, 2015, 05:28 AM
Having had the opportunity to study this subject through the writings of many Christian scholars over a period of 20 years, I am more than qualified to tell you what the Gospel is and what the Gospel is not.

The Gospel is not about us (Christians). We are simply the benefactors of the Gospel. The Gospel is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John as some Catholics would have you believe. The Gospel is a past historical event. It took place over 2000 years ago before we were ever born. There is nothing that we can experience that can be called the Gospel.

The Gospel calls all religions and all religious thought into question.

It is because of this that the Gospel causes controversy and descension. We must always remember that all of the apostles except for John died violent deaths because of their faith in Christ and his Gospel.

Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11, 12. The Gospel that Paul received from Christ was the same Gospel that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:14, but was with much greater detail. Paul taught the Gospel that he had received from Christ to the other apostles. Some of the apostles along with many others, could not believe that the law of Moses had been abolished and that now... "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17, and not according to the law and the Jewish religion.

The Gospel is that work that Jesus Christ did in our name and on our behalf that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. Who is Jesus Christ? Jesus is the second person of the Godhead and the eternal Son of God. He was in heaven with God before the creation of the world, Colossians 1:14-19.

It was God's plan that his Son Jesus Christ was to come into the human race through the virgin Mary. Jesus Christ was God's new Adam and our new representative. His purpose was to save and to perfect our humanity and to take it back to heaven. This he has done and he did it perfectly, Hebrews 1:3.

"And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it" Colossians 2:5.

The Gospel is a declartion from God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and in doing so has made it possible for all who do nothing more than calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved, Romans 10:13. If Jesus had not defeated sin, death and the devil no one could be saved.

God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. As far as God is concerned Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. We are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven, Colossians 3:3. Its over, Its finished. We have been MADE complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. We do not become complete in Christ. We are MADE complete in Christ.

What does this mean? It means that the Gospel and faith in Christ is the entrance into eternal life, plus nothing. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man comes to the Father but by me" John 14:6.

Religion, whether it be Calvinism, Catholicism or any other religon is a diversion away from the truth and the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ and does NOT lead to eternal life.

jamie
October 10th, 2015, 07:25 AM
Paul taught the Gospel that he had received from Christ to the other apostles.


Barnabas and Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom of God.


And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)

Robert Pate
October 10th, 2015, 12:48 PM
Barnabas and Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom of God.


And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” (Acts 14:21-22 NKJV)


The Kingdom Gospel is a broad term for anything that has to do with Jesus.

The Gospel that Paul received from Christ is the Gospel that justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. It has to do with the saving work of Christ.

Robert Pate
October 11th, 2015, 04:07 PM
WHAT THE GOSPEL IS NOT

The Gospel is not that you have been born again.

The Gospel is not that you have been predestinated.

The Gospel is not that you said the sinners prayer.

The Gospel is not that you have joined the Catholic church.

The Gospel is not that you have invited Jesus into your heart.

The Gospel is not that you take the sacraments.

The Gospel is not that you keep the commandments.

The Gospel is not that you believe that Jesus is the Christ.

The Gospel is not that you are a good person.

The Gospel is not anything that you say or do.

Totton Linnet
October 11th, 2015, 04:21 PM
Was Hitler reconciled to Christ?

Paul said the cross was a cause of offence to some and a stumbling block to others....but salvation to us

fishrovmen
October 11th, 2015, 04:32 PM
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jzeidler
October 11th, 2015, 05:04 PM
Having had the opportunity to study this subject through the writings of many Christian scholars over a period of 20 years, I am more than qualified to tell you what the Gospel is and what the Gospel is not.



The Gospel is not about us (Christians). We are simply the benefactors of the Gospel. The Gospel is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John as some Catholics would have you believe. The Gospel is a past historical event. It took place over 2000 years ago before we were ever born. There is nothing that we can experience that can be called the Gospel.



The Gospel calls all religions and all religious thought into question.



It is because of this that the Gospel causes controversy and descension. We must always remember that all of the apostles except for John died violent deaths because of their faith in Christ and his Gospel.



Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11, 12. The Gospel that Paul received from Christ was the same Gospel that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:14, but was with much greater detail. Paul taught the Gospel that he had received from Christ to the other apostles. Some of the apostles along with many others, could not believe that the law of Moses had been abolished and that now... "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17, and not according to the law and the Jewish religion.



The Gospel is that work that Jesus Christ did in our name and on our behalf that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. Who is Jesus Christ? Jesus is the second person of the Godhead and the eternal Son of God. He was in heaven with God before the creation of the world, Colossians 1:14-19.



It was God's plan that his Son Jesus Christ was to come into the human race through the virgin Mary. Jesus Christ was God's new Adam and our new representative. His purpose was to save and to perfect our humanity and to take it back to heaven. This he has done and he did it perfectly, Hebrews 1:3.



"And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it" Colossians 2:5.



The Gospel is a declartion from God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and in doing so has made it possible for all who do nothing more than calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved, Romans 10:13. If Jesus had not defeated sin, death and the devil no one could be saved.



God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. As far as God is concerned Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. We are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven, Colossians 3:3. Its over, Its finished. We have been MADE complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. We do not become complete in Christ. We are MADE complete in Christ.



What does this mean? It means that the Gospel and faith in Christ is the entrance into eternal life, plus nothing. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man comes to the Father but by me" John 14:6.



Religion, whether it be Calvinism, Catholicism or any other religon is a diversion away from the truth and the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ and does NOT lead to eternal life.


:applause: well said and correct. Thanks for sharing some Grace in this forum.

jzeidler
October 11th, 2015, 05:08 PM
Was Hitler reconciled to Christ?



Paul said the cross was a cause of offence to some and a stumbling block to others....but salvation to us


Not unless he reconciled himself to God by faith in Christ. If he did end up doing that then yes he is saved because the cross is more powerful than hitler's sin

jamie
October 11th, 2015, 05:25 PM
Not unless he reconciled himself to God by faith in Christ. If he did end up doing that then yes he is saved because the cross is more powerful than hitler's sin


Based on repentance and belief. Jesus said, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the gospel.”
(Mark 1:15 NKJV)

patrick jane
October 11th, 2015, 05:30 PM
Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11, 12. The Gospel that Paul received from Christ was the same Gospel that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:14, but was with much greater detail. Paul taught the Gospel that he had received from Christ to the other apostles. Some of the apostles along with many others, could not believe that the law of Moses had been abolished and that now... "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17, and not according to the law and the Jewish religion.


Religion, whether it be Calvinism, Catholicism or any other religon is a diversion away from the truth and the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ and does NOT lead to eternal life.


I said the same thing about Acts 2, that Paul got the full scoop a little later than Peter's sermon in Acts 2. Good post/thread

Caino
October 11th, 2015, 07:27 PM
Having had the opportunity to study this subject through the writings of many Christian scholars over a period of 20 years, I am more than qualified to tell you what the Gospel is and what the Gospel is not.

The Gospel is not about us (Christians). We are simply the benefactors of the Gospel. The Gospel is not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John as some Catholics would have you believe. The Gospel is a past historical event. It took place over 2000 years ago before we were ever born. There is nothing that we can experience that can be called the Gospel.

The Gospel calls all religions and all religious thought into question.

It is because of this that the Gospel causes controversy and descension. We must always remember that all of the apostles except for John died violent deaths because of their faith in Christ and his Gospel.

Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11, 12. The Gospel that Paul received from Christ was the same Gospel that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:14, but was with much greater detail. Paul taught the Gospel that he had received from Christ to the other apostles. Some of the apostles along with many others, could not believe that the law of Moses had been abolished and that now... "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17, and not according to the law and the Jewish religion.

The Gospel is that work that Jesus Christ did in our name and on our behalf that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. Who is Jesus Christ? Jesus is the second person of the Godhead and the eternal Son of God. He was in heaven with God before the creation of the world, Colossians 1:14-19.

It was God's plan that his Son Jesus Christ was to come into the human race through the virgin Mary. Jesus Christ was God's new Adam and our new representative. His purpose was to save and to perfect our humanity and to take it back to heaven. This he has done and he did it perfectly, Hebrews 1:3.

"And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it" Colossians 2:5.

The Gospel is a declartion from God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and in doing so has made it possible for all who do nothing more than calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved, Romans 10:13. If Jesus had not defeated sin, death and the devil no one could be saved.

God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. As far as God is concerned Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. We are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven, Colossians 3:3. Its over, Its finished. We have been MADE complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. We do not become complete in Christ. We are MADE complete in Christ.

What does this mean? It means that the Gospel and faith in Christ is the entrance into eternal life, plus nothing. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man comes to the Father but by me" John 14:6.

Religion, whether it be Calvinism, Catholicism or any other religon is a diversion away from the truth and the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ and does NOT lead to eternal life.

The original gospel that Jesus preached to the Jews is what they would be preaching from Jerusalem today if the had not rejected their calling, the gospel and killed Jesus. Jesus didn't come to die for the cause of sin, he came to live for the cause of salvation as well as achieve unquestioned Lordship of his creation. He did both.

The original gospel was to be preached to all the world. But after the ascension the gospel changed, it was no longer about salvation by faith in our Father in contrast to institutional religion, racial faith inherited, rituals, sacrifices or man made laws, the new gospel was influenced by Peters impulsive, post ascension speculation. Then Paul brought his Pagan baggage from Tarsus.

beloved57
October 11th, 2015, 08:13 PM
pate


What the Gospel "IS" and What the Gospel is "NOT"

Its Calvinism, TULIP which you hate and reject, woe is you !

Robert Pate
October 12th, 2015, 02:04 PM
The original gospel that Jesus preached to the Jews is what they would be preaching from Jerusalem today if the had not rejected their calling, the gospel and killed Jesus. Jesus didn't come to die for the cause of sin, he came to live for the cause of salvation as well as achieve unquestioned Lordship of his creation. He did both.

The original gospel was to be preached to all the world. But after the ascension the gospel changed, it was no longer about salvation by faith in our Father in contrast to institutional religion, racial faith inherited, rituals, sacrifices or man made laws, the new gospel was influenced by Peters impulsive, post ascension speculation. Then Paul brought his Pagan baggage from Tarsus.


Paggan baggage from Tarsus?

What are you another Paul hater? Paul received the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19, directly from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11, 12.

NickCharles
October 12th, 2015, 03:09 PM
Having had the opportunity to study this subject through the writings of many Christian scholars over a period of 20 years, I am more than qualified to tell you what the Gospel is and what the Gospel is not.




My doctrine is true because it is based upon the Bible, the Gospel and justification by faith, and is confirmed by the Holy Spirit.



What you need to do is get all of your man conceived writings together and throw them in the trash.


It's seems a bit contradictory.

Robert Pate
October 12th, 2015, 04:20 PM
It's seems a bit contradictory.

I read and compare.

If it isn't according to the Gospel I scrap it. So far most of what you teach has been scraped.

NickCharles
October 12th, 2015, 04:22 PM
I read and compare.



If it isn't according to the Gospel I scrap it. So far most of what you teach has been scraped.


So reading what other people write isn't a bad thing. That was your point earlier.

Robert Pate
October 12th, 2015, 04:41 PM
So reading what other people write isn't a bad thing. That was your point earlier.

A lot depends upon what they are writing.

Most of the scholars writing was in defense of the Gospel and justification by faith.

Not all had the truth. You have to compare it with what scripture says.

NickCharles
October 12th, 2015, 04:48 PM
A lot depends upon what they are writing.



Most of the scholars writing was in defense of the Gospel and justification by faith.



Not all had the truth. You have to compare it with what scripture says.


I can do that with things like the Canons of Dort and the London Baptist Confession of Faith. So I'm all good.

Robert Pate
October 13th, 2015, 09:32 AM
I can do that with things like the Canons of Dort and the London Baptist Confession of Faith. So I'm all good.

Then you are as blind as a bat.

There is NOTHING about Christ and his Gospel in any of that.

NickCharles
October 13th, 2015, 10:18 AM
Then you are as blind as a bat.



There is NOTHING about Christ and his Gospel in any of that.


Sure there is.

http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html

Every section has scripture references.

For instance:

Those whom God effectually calleth, he also freely justifieth, not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ's sake alone; not by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing Christ's active obedience unto the whole law, and passive obedience in his death for their whole and sole righteousness by faith, which faith they have not of themselves; it is the gift of God.
( Romans 3:24; Romans 8:30; Romans 4:5-8; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:30, 31; Romans 5:17-19; Philippians 3:8, 9; Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; Romans 5:17 )

Robert Pate
October 13th, 2015, 03:40 PM
Sure there is.

http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html

Every section has scripture references.

For instance:

Those whom God effectually calleth, he also freely justifieth, not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ's sake alone; not by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing Christ's active obedience unto the whole law, and passive obedience in his death for their whole and sole righteousness by faith, which faith they have not of themselves; it is the gift of God.
( Romans 3:24; Romans 8:30; Romans 4:5-8; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:30, 31; Romans 5:17-19; Philippians 3:8, 9; Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; Romans 5:17 )

Christ died for the sins of the whole world, so that whosoever that shall call upon his name will be saved, Romans 10:13.

NickCharles
October 13th, 2015, 03:41 PM
Christ died for the sins of the whole world, so that whosoever that shall call upon his name will be saved, Romans 10:13.


You don't seem to be able to follow simple online conversations.

Robert Pate
October 13th, 2015, 03:44 PM
You don't seem to be able to follow simple online conversations.

Like what?

Your heresy jargon?

Tell us about your salvation experience. Every Christian has one.

NickCharles
October 13th, 2015, 03:45 PM
Like what?



Your heresy jargon?



Tell us about your salvation experience. Every Christian has one.


No, I mean responding to what someone actually said instead of posting red herrings.

beloved57
October 13th, 2015, 04:11 PM
Christ died for the sins of the whole world, so that whosoever that shall call upon his name will be saved, Romans 10:13.

False Testimony, conditioning Salvation on what man does!

OCTOBER23
October 13th, 2015, 04:15 PM
Robert Pate' said,

There is nothing that we can experience that can be called the Gospel.
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YOU DO NOT EXPERIENCE THE GOSPEL - YOU LIVE AND OBEY IT.

OCTOBER23
October 13th, 2015, 04:23 PM
ROBERT PATE said,

We do not become complete in Christ. We are MADE complete in Christ.
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ERROR ROBERT PATE' ERROR. ------------- "MAY"

Colossians 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you,

always labouring fervently for you in prayers,

that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

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COMPLETE CAN MEAN MANY THINGS.

Colossians 2:10 And <2532> ye are <2075> (5748) complete <4137> (5772) in <1722> him <846>, which <3739> is <2076> (5748) the head <2776> of all <3956> principality <746> and <2532> power <1849>:

COMPLETE 4137
4137 πληρόω pleroo play-ro’-o

from 4134;

AV-fulfil 51, fill 19, be full 7, complete 2, end 2, misc 9; 90

1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
1a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
1a1) I abound, I am liberally supplied
2) to render full, i.e. to complete
2a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
2b) to consummate: a number
2b1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
2b2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
2c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
2c1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute
2c2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
2c3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
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WHERE IS THE COMPLETENESS OR OSAS HERE ???????

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;

I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
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OCTOBER23
October 13th, 2015, 04:58 PM
ROBERT PATE'

We were only Forgiven for PAST SINS

WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP SINNING AND ASKING FOR

FORGIVENESS AND THEREFORE ARE NOT COMPLETE YET......


Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,

to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, [PAST]

through the forbearance of God;

Robert Pate
October 13th, 2015, 05:06 PM
ROBERT PATE'

We were only Forgiven for PAST SINS

WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP SINNING AND ASKING FOR

FORGIVENESS AND THEREFORE ARE NOT COMPLETE YET......


Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,

to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, [PAST]

through the forbearance of God;


I am afraid that you don't know or understand the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

jamie
October 13th, 2015, 09:17 PM
I am afraid that you don't know or understand the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.


Satan is ungodly and he has been reconciled but not justified.

OCTOBER23
October 13th, 2015, 09:46 PM
ROBERT PATE' said,

I am afraid that you don't know or understand the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Romans 4:5 (NKJV)
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him

who justifies the ungodly,

his faith is accounted for righteousness,

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself,

not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation
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EXPLAIN IT TO ME ROBERT PATE'
BET YOU CAN'T
========================

I have studied it for 45 years and here is your Answer. Read em and weep!

Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

= BY THE LAW AND FAITH
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19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 ¶ We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

= BY PURENESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS = WORKS OF THE LAW IN THE BODY AND MIND.
================================================== =====

Robert Pate
October 14th, 2015, 08:47 AM
ROBERT PATE' said,

I am afraid that you don't know or understand the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Romans 4:5 (NKJV)
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him

who justifies the ungodly,

his faith is accounted for righteousness,

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself,

not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

EXPLAIN IT TO ME ROBERT PATE'
BET YOU CAN'T
========================

I have studied it for 45 years and here is your Answer. Read em and weep!

Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

= BY THE LAW AND FAITH
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19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 ¶ We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

= BY PURENESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS = WORKS OF THE LAW IN THE BODY AND MIND.
================================================== =====

You need to keep studying.

Christians are totally free from all laws, rules and religion.

Christians are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven.

We have ALREADY been MADE complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

beloved57
October 14th, 2015, 01:22 PM
You need to keep studying.

Christians are totally free from all laws, rules and religion.

Christians are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven.

We have ALREADY been MADE complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

You teach salvation by Law principles, either do or die in your sins!

Robert Pate
October 14th, 2015, 02:44 PM
You teach salvation by Law principles, either do or die in your sins!

No I don't, I teach salvation by grace through faith.

beloved57
October 14th, 2015, 02:58 PM
No I don't, I teach salvation by grace through faith.

Yes you do,and you don't believe in Salvation by Grace through Faith! You teach that millions for whom Christ died shall wind up in hell lost in their sins in unbelief!

OCTOBER23
October 15th, 2015, 03:20 PM
ROBERT PATE'

GRACE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO SAVE YOU ...

5485 χάρις charis khar’-ece
from 5463;
AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156

1) grace
1a) that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech
2) good will, loving-kindness, favour
2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues
3) the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace
4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward
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Robert Pate
October 15th, 2015, 03:25 PM
ROBERT PATE'

GRACE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO SAVE YOU ...

5485 χάρις charis khar’-ece
from 5463;
AV-grace 130, favour 6, thanks 4, thank 4, thank + 2192 3, pleasure 2, misc 7; 156

1) grace
1a) that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech
2) good will, loving-kindness, favour
2a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues
3) what is due to grace
3a) the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace
3b) the token or proof of grace, benefit
3b1) a gift of grace
3b2) benefit, bounty
4) thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward
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Grace is God's goodness towards fallen man.

Such as... "While we were yet sinners Christ died for us".

Nanja
October 15th, 2015, 05:11 PM
Grace is God's goodness towards fallen man.

Such as... "While we were yet sinners Christ died for us".


God's Grace was not for all of humanity, but it was Limited; only given to those Chosen in Union with Christ
before the world began. They were the only sinners Christ died for that have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7.


Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according
to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

~~~~~

Robert Pate
October 15th, 2015, 07:38 PM
God's Grace was not for all of humanity, but it was Limited; only given to those Chosen in Union with Christ
before the world began. They were the only sinners Christ died for that have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7.


Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according
to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

~~~~~


A limited atonement means that Jesus is not Lord.

The reason that he is not Lord is because he made a deal with the devil.

You will be held accountable for teaching this trash.

beloved57
October 15th, 2015, 09:37 PM
A limited atonement means that Jesus is not Lord.

The reason that he is not Lord is because he made a deal with the devil.

You will be held accountable for teaching this trash.

Foolish talking !

beloved57
October 15th, 2015, 09:38 PM
Grace is God's goodness towards fallen man.

Such as... "While we were yet sinners Christ died for us".

To the Elect, the Election of Grace !

Robert Pate
October 16th, 2015, 08:13 AM
To the Elect, the Election of Grace !

Same old heretic trick. You have added the word "Elect".

Robert Pate
October 16th, 2015, 08:16 AM
God's Grace was not for all of humanity, but it was Limited; only given to those Chosen in Union with Christ
before the world began. They were the only sinners Christ died for that have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7.


Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according
to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

~~~~~

You also add to God's word. There is nothing about "only those chosen in Christ".

beloved57
October 16th, 2015, 11:16 AM
Same old heretic trick. You have added the word "Elect".

You dont have to add it, they are the only World God Loved and Christ died for !

beloved57
October 16th, 2015, 11:19 AM
You also add to God's word. There is nothing about "only those chosen in Christ".

Its obvious, only some were chosen in Christ, Israel of God Deut 7:6-7

And you need to worry about what the scripture says in stead of what it doesnt say !

Robert Pate
October 17th, 2015, 04:23 PM
Its obvious, only some were chosen in Christ, Israel of God Deut 7:6-7

And you need to worry about what the scripture says in stead of what it doesnt say !

The scripture says that...

"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.

God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ.

beloved57
October 17th, 2015, 05:36 PM
The scripture says that...

"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.

God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ.

You don't believe in God or John 3:16 ! And you make false invalid comments !

Robert Pate
October 18th, 2015, 08:08 AM
You don't believe in God or John 3:16 ! And you make false invalid comments !

And you are a satanic accuser of the brethern, Revelation 12:10.

beloved57
October 18th, 2015, 08:56 AM
And you are a satanic accuser of the brethern, Revelation 12:10.

I haven't accused any Brethren in Christ I know of! That's a false accusation!

Robert Pate
October 19th, 2015, 08:49 AM
I haven't accused any Brethren in Christ I know of! That's a false accusation!

You accuse all who are "In Christ" of being false teachers, because it is not according to John Calvin who is a heretic.

beloved57
October 19th, 2015, 10:22 AM
You accuse all who are "In Christ" of being false teachers, because it is not according to John Calvin who is a heretic.

I haven't accused none of my brothers in Christ, I know nothing about that christ you believe in who failed to save those he died for from their sins ! Dont you believe in a christ that millions upon millions he lived and died for shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 ? Yes or No ?

Robert Pate
October 19th, 2015, 02:58 PM
I haven't accused none of my brothers in Christ, I know nothing about that christ you believe in who failed to save those he died for from their sins ! Dont you believe in a christ that millions upon millions he lived and died for shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 ? Yes or No ?

It is not possible for you to understand spiritual things, 1 Corinthians 2:14.

beloved57
October 19th, 2015, 03:00 PM
It is not possible for you to understand spiritual things, 1 Corinthians 2:14.

Answer the question!

Robert Pate
October 19th, 2015, 03:05 PM
Answer the question!

You don't understand me or the Bible.

You have CHOSEN to believe the words of a heretic.

beloved57
October 19th, 2015, 03:16 PM
You don't understand me or the Bible.

You have CHOSEN to believe the words of a heretic.

You scared, you are a defeated foe lol !

Robert Pate
October 20th, 2015, 09:01 AM
You scared, you are a defeated foe lol !


Don't you and the devil wish?

I am strong and victorious "In Christ".

beloved57
October 20th, 2015, 09:18 AM
Don't you and the devil wish?

I am strong and victorious "In Christ".

Dont you believe in a christ that millions upon millions he lived and died for shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 ? Yes or No ?

Robert Pate
October 20th, 2015, 04:12 PM
Dont you believe in a christ that millions upon millions he lived and died for shall wind up in hell for their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 ? Yes or No ?

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world so that now... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

beloved57
October 20th, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world so that now... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

So answer the question! Don't you believe in a false christ that sinners he lived and died for will wind up in hell lost in their sins and unbelief like these John 8:24! Yeah or Neah?

Robert Pate
October 20th, 2015, 04:24 PM
So answer the question! Don't you believe in a false christ that sinners he lived and died for will wind up in hell lost in their sins and unbelief like these John 8:24! Yeah or Neah?

Many like yourself will wind up in hell because they are trusting in Calvinism, instead of trusting in Christ.

There is no room in the Gospel for Calvinism.

beloved57
October 20th, 2015, 04:26 PM
Many like yourself will wind up in hell because they are trusting in Calvinism, instead of trusting in Christ.

There is no room in the Gospel for Calvinism.

So you believe that millions for whom Christ lived and died for shall wind up in hell lost in their sins in unbelief! Yeah or Neah?