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RCLady
October 3rd, 2015, 06:15 AM
Francis meets same-sex ‘couple’: hugs ‘gay’ friend, kisses his ‘partner’

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Truster
October 3rd, 2015, 06:17 AM
Vile actions are performed by vile people.

annabenedetti
October 3rd, 2015, 02:19 PM
"Some very serious news has just been reported about [Pope] Francis. During his recent trip to the United States, [Pope] Francis actually gave a special audience to an active homosexual and his boyfriend during which the [Pope] warmly embraced and hugged him. He also kissed one of them on the cheek twice. This is a total abomination. It's an outrage and a scandal of incalculable proportions."Oh noes!!

The Pope showed Christian charity! It's a "scandal of incalculable proportions!!"



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aCultureWarrior
October 3rd, 2015, 02:43 PM
Oh noes!!

The Pope showed Christian charity! It's a "scandal of incalculable proportions!!"

And here I thought that "Christian charity" involved showing unrepentant sinners the way to eternal life.

But then I'm not a member of the new Catholic Church, so perhaps they do things differently?

Granite
October 3rd, 2015, 02:56 PM
Gee, guess he's not BFFs with Kim after all.

aCultureWarrior
October 3rd, 2015, 04:02 PM
Gee, guess he's not BFFs with Kim after all.

One would think that Frank's LGBTQueer handlers would have kept him miles away from a real follower of Christ, but...

Facts About Kim Davis’s Meeting with the Pope
https://www.lc.org/newsroom/details/facts-about-kim-daviss-meeting-with-the-pope-1

annabenedetti
October 3rd, 2015, 05:27 PM
One would think that Frank's LGBTQueer handlers would have kept him miles away from a real follower of Christ, but...

Facts About Kim Davis’s Meeting with the Pope
https://www.lc.org/newsroom/details/facts-about-kim-daviss-meeting-with-the-pope-1

I don't think I'll put much credence in the info from Liberty Council after their claim about that fictional 100,000-person prayer rally for Kim Davis (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/28/3706199/kim-davis-prayer-rally-peru/).

From Vatican spokesman Fr. Lombardi:
The brief meeting between Mrs. Kim Davis and Pope Francis at the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington, DC has continued to provoke comments and discussion. In order to contribute to an objective understanding of what transpired I am able to clarify the following points:Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City. Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope’s characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the Pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family. The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

Also:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/europe/pope-francis-kim-davis-meeting.html?_r=0

patrick jane
October 3rd, 2015, 05:33 PM
One would think that Frank's LGBTQueer handlers would have kept him miles away from a real follower of Christ, but...

Facts About Kim Davis’s Meeting with the Pope
https://www.lc.org/newsroom/details/facts-about-kim-daviss-meeting-with-the-pope-1

Your commentary takes the cake, always entertaining and informative

aCultureWarrior
October 3rd, 2015, 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
One would think that Frank's LGBTQueer handlers would have kept him miles away from a real follower of Christ, but...

Facts About Kim Davis’s Meeting with the Pope
https://www.lc.org/newsroom/details/facts-about-kim-daviss-meeting-with-the-pope-1



I don't think I'll put much credence in the info from Liberty Council after their claim about that fictional 100,000-person prayer rally for Kim Davis (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/28/3706199/kim-davis-prayer-rally-peru/).

I'm certain that you thought highly of the Liberty Council before then, but just for the record:

Peruvian Prayer Meeting for Kim Davis Correction
https://www.lc.org/newsroom/details/peruvian-prayer-meeting-for-kim-davis-1


From Vatican spokesman Fr. Lombardi...

So why does your Marxist Pope,
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/pope-francis-defends-criticism-of-capitalism-not-marxist

a supposed man of God, have problems associating with a woman who was persecuted for standing up for God's Word in regards to traditional marriage?

User Name
October 3rd, 2015, 06:47 PM
So why does your Marxist Pope,
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/pope-francis-defends-criticism-of-capitalism-not-marxist

a supposed man of God, have problems associating with a woman who was persecuted for standing up for God's Word in regards to traditional marriage?

Why is Davis a Democrat?

aCultureWarrior
October 3rd, 2015, 06:50 PM
Why is Davis a Democrat?

She isn't.

Arsenios
October 3rd, 2015, 09:12 PM
Francis meets same-sex ‘couple’:
hugs ‘gay’ friend,
kisses his ‘partner’

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The problem with being the Pope is that when you finally get to visit the USA, you do not get to look up an old friend from college who is a homosexual living with his partner and greet them warmly as he did without making it an ecclesiastical signal about homosexuality...

He should have seen his friend privately without cameras... Which may not have been possible...

The Papal visit was weak and shows the distance the Papacy has devolved from its primary mission, which is exemplifying a proper relationship with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and is now getting itself involved in social welfare issues, and political issues, and even global warming, which have nothing to do with the Kingdom of Heaven which is not of this world... His job as a pastor is to bless the poor and instruct the rich to provide for them, and not to help political factions decide issues of ecological science and establish vast political welfare dependencies...

He dropped the ball on abortion and gay marriage, and this encounter is fully in line with that agenda...

Arsenios

User Name
October 3rd, 2015, 09:37 PM
Why is Davis a Democrat?


She isn't.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/04/kim-davis-is-a-democrat-and-donald-trump-is-a-republican/

Dan Emanuel
October 4th, 2015, 12:31 AM
Francis meets same-sex ‘couple’: hugs ‘gay’ friend, kisses his ‘partner’....Matthew 9:13 KJV


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Greg Jennings
October 4th, 2015, 01:13 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/04/kim-davis-is-a-democrat-and-donald-trump-is-a-republican/

She switched parties about two weeks ago. I wish she hadn't. I don't want her on my side

bybee
October 4th, 2015, 04:42 AM
The problem with being the Pope is that when you finally get to visit the USA, you do not get to look up an old friend from college who is a homosexual living with his partner and greet them warmly as he did without making it an ecclesiastical signal about homosexuality...

He should have seen his friend privately without cameras... Which may not have been possible...

The Papal visit was weak and shows the distance the Papacy has devolved from its primary mission, which is exemplifying a proper relationship with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and is now getting itself involved in social welfare issues, and political issues, and even global warming, which have nothing to do with the Kingdom of Heaven which is not of this world... His job as a pastor is to bless the poor and instruct the rich to provide for them, and not to help political factions decide issues of ecological science and establish vast political welfare dependencies...

He dropped the ball on abortion and gay marriage, and this encounter is fully in line with that agenda...

Arsenios

Well said! Agreed.

musterion
October 4th, 2015, 05:10 AM
One would think that Frank's LGBTQueer handlers would have kept him miles away from a real follower of Christ, but...

She may be religious and devout but is not a true follower of Christ if she believes the usual Apostolic false gospel of works (screenshot below of typical Apostolic statement of faith, as listed at this directory (http://www.apostolic-churches.com/pages/Morehead---Solid-Rock-Apostolic-Church-6458.html)).


Davis explained in a statement (http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14102&AlertID=1965) that when her mother-in-law passed away, she had just one dying wish for Davis — to attend a church service. Upon her passing, Davis obliged.


"Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish," Davis stated. "There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ."


"I am not perfect," Davis continued. "No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God."


Davis now attends Solid Rock Apostolic Church in Morehead, Kentucky.

musterion
October 4th, 2015, 05:22 AM
Her church's website has either been taken down due to homo-harassment or is simply crashed, but it's been offline for some time. The Internet Wayback Machine does turn up this page (https://web.archive.org/web/20141021213309/http://www.solidrockapostolicchurch.org/about-us)from about a year ago...


Solid Rock Apostolic Church is an Apostolic/Pentecostal church near Morehead Kentucky. We had our first service in October of 2011 and have experienced great revival and a move of the Holy Ghost! We are a Biblically fundamental body of believers. We believe, as explicitly stated in the scriptures, that there is only one God (Deut 6:4). He is the Father of all creation (Malachi 2:10). He was manifested as the Son for our redemption (Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 1:21-23) and is dwelling in the lives of the believers as the Holy Ghost (Colossians 1:27). We preach the Bible as our roadmap to heaven. The plan of salvation that the apostles preached is the same plan that we preach (hence the name “Apostolic”), which is repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16, Col. 3:17, Eph. 4:5). Jesus loves people! We love people! We believe that God loves you and that He has a plan for your life. We hope to see you in service with us, soon! Not sure what they mean by God "manifested AS the Son for our redemption" -- modalism? -- but the false gospel of baptismal salvation is highlighted. They probably also believe any Christian who did not speak in "tongues" at the moment of faith is not really saved.

aCultureWarrior
October 4th, 2015, 09:01 AM
She switched parties about two weeks ago. I wish she hadn't. I don't want her on my side

Don't worry Greg, she's not on your side. Kim Davis is on the side of God and isn't afraid to be persecuted because of it.

aCultureWarrior
October 4th, 2015, 09:15 AM
She may be religious and devout but is not a true follower of Christ if..


Her church's website has either been taken down..

Without a doubt you could find fault in any Christian denomination that doesn't (to the letter) confirm to your idea of Christianity.

Every time I read one of your "My church is better than your church!" posts, I can't help but think of Selwyn Duke's article:

Why many American Christians really are un-Christian

There are many doctrinal differences among the denominations, and good people could debate them ad nauseam and still not settle every one. Yet, if anything is central to Christianity, it's the belief that Truth is spelled with a capital "T," that it is absolute, universal and eternal. And also central is a corollary of this belief: that there is an absolute, universal and eternal answer to every moral question; that right and wrong are not a matter of opinion, that they don't change from time to time and place to place...
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/duke/100301

Why is it that the "enemy" in your world is always someone who stands up and fights the LGBTQueer agenda? (me, Kim Davis).

Let all of that HATRED go musterion, I guarantee you that it'll eat you alive.

musterion
October 4th, 2015, 10:39 AM
Without a doubt you could find fault in any Christian denomination that doesn't (to the letter) confirm to your idea of Christianity.

Every time I read one of your "My church is better than your church!" posts, I can't help but think of Selwyn Duke's article:

Why many American Christians really are un-Christian

There are many doctrinal differences among the denominations, and good people could debate them ad nauseam and still not settle every one. Yet, if anything is central to Christianity, it's the belief that Truth is spelled with a capital "T," that it is absolute, universal and eternal. And also central is a corollary of this belief: that there is an absolute, universal and eternal answer to every moral question; that right and wrong are not a matter of opinion, that they don't change from time to time and place to place...
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/duke/100301

Why is it that the "enemy" in your world is always someone who stands up and fights the LGBTQueer agenda? (me, Kim Davis).

Let all of that HATRED go musterion, I guarantee you that it'll eat you alive.

PM me when you want to address the substance of my last two posts.

annabenedetti
October 4th, 2015, 12:02 PM
The problem with being the Pope is that when you finally get to visit the USA, you do not get to look up an old friend from college who is a homosexual living with his partner and greet them warmly as he did without making it an ecclesiastical signal about homosexuality...

He should have seen his friend privately without cameras... Which may not have been possible...

The Papal visit was weak and shows the distance the Papacy has devolved from its primary mission, which is exemplifying a proper relationship with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and is now getting itself involved in social welfare issues, and political issues, and even global warming, which have nothing to do with the Kingdom of Heaven which is not of this world... His job as a pastor is to bless the poor and instruct the rich to provide for them, and not to help political factions decide issues of ecological science and establish vast political welfare dependencies...

He dropped the ball on abortion and gay marriage, and this encounter is fully in line with that agenda...

Arsenios


The problem with being the Pope is that so many think they're more Catholic than the Pope.

aikido7
October 4th, 2015, 12:09 PM
Why should this be a problem?

After all, the global trend seems to be dignity, liberty and justice for ALL.

It's like Jesus's Parable of the Good Samaritan. We have deadened the story's original bite. A Samaritan was unclean and basically human trash in the minds of Jews 2,000 years ago.

If we were to translate the parable in more appropriate, understandable terms it would be

"The Parable of the AIDs-infected, sweaty, Buddhist Homosexual."

God's help sometimes comes in distressing disguises.

annabenedetti
October 4th, 2015, 12:21 PM
Even if you didn't mean it to be, your personal parable translation is appalling.

Is that how you think of people, or how you think anyone else should think of them?

Quetzal
October 4th, 2015, 12:24 PM
The world is becoming more progressive and socially accepting of other people. I find it disappointing, but not surprising, that conservative Christianity is spearheading in the opposite direction.

aikido7
October 4th, 2015, 12:36 PM
Even if you didn't mean it to be, your personal parable translation is appalling.

Is that how you think of people, or how you think anyone else should think of them?I am guessing this post is to me. Next time you comment on another post, please use your format to indicate it is a personal reply.

--First of all, it is not a "personal" translation. It comes from the recent gains in the history of Jesus's day.

--Whenever I am confronted with a person who is unfamiliar and offensive to me, I am often able to extend my embrace of them thanks to Jesus.

I try not to "tell" ANYONE what to do or how to believe. I am passing along some things I have learned. Everyone should make their own best choice.

The idea of God being unclean or corrupt is a common theme in some of Jesus's well-known parables of the Kingdom of God.

God is like a Samaritan, God is like leaven, God is like a mustard seed.

The term "leaven" is always equated with corruption and uncleanliness, all through the entire Bible.

A mustard plant is a noxious weed that chokes out the good crops in a farmer's field or garden.

The Prodigal Son gets mired in uncleanliness and corruption, yet is welcomed home by his father.

The diseased, the homeless, the destitute and the marginalized were people Jesus was not afraid to celebrate with and embraced. They are seen by "normal society" as corrupted and unclean.

These examples are actual, historical facts. Jesus preached within a certain reality with a religious, social and political matrix. I choose to do much of my Bible study to find out as much of the contextual social data as I can.

aCultureWarrior
October 4th, 2015, 12:42 PM
PM me when you want to address the substance of my last two posts.

Not interested, hopefully you got the substance of my post.

annabenedetti
October 4th, 2015, 12:53 PM
I am guessing this post is to me. Next time you comment on another post, please use your format to indicate it is a personal reply.

Of course it was to you.


If we were to translate the parable in more appropriate, understandable terms it would be

"The Parable of the AIDs-infected, sweaty, Buddhist Homosexual.""The Parable of the AIDs-infected, sweaty, Buddhist Homosexual."
And I said it was appalling. Your parable translation is neither appropriate nor understandable.

aCultureWarrior
October 4th, 2015, 01:02 PM
I see that Frank's openly sodomite friend has gone public with he and his boyfriend's meeting with the new homosexual friendly Pope.

I'll comment on some of the the article with brackets [ ] in italics

Gay former student of Pope Francis' speaks out

An openly gay former student of Pope Francis' who visited with the pope during his recent trip to Washington said he was surprised Francis had met with the Kentucky county clerk who gained attention for refusing to issue same-sex couples marriage licenses.

[Since the LGBTQueer movement went "Pope shopping" to find a Pope that would defend their interests, no doubt the surprise]

The pope's meeting with Washington resident Yayo Grassi, his boyfriend and a few others came to light Friday as the Vatican was distancing itself from claims the pope's meeting with the clerk, Kim Davis, was an endorsement of her stance on same-sex marriage.

Grassi, 67,

[67? That's really really old in fag years. Paraphrasing Rusha aka Sandy : "He must not be a real homosexual if he's lived that long"]

met Francis more than 50 years ago when the future pope taught at his all boys school in Argentina.

[Red alert! red alert! Frank taught at an all boys school and one of his students and close friends is an unrepentant homosexual? I won't talk about the pederast movement inside the Catholic Church as it might appear that I'm implying that Frank was a child molester]

They reconnected in 2008, and since becoming pope Francis has since met him and his boyfriend of 17 years twice, once in Rome and most recently in Washington, Grassi said.

[17 years together? Yayo must have recruited this young'in when he was around 5]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/04/00/2D0F448A00000578-3259072-image-a-36_1443916751928.jpg

Grassi, who came to the United States in 1978 and runs a catering business, spoke with The Associated Press at his home Saturday.

On what he thought of the pope's meeting with Davis:

"I thought, 'This is really strange. This is not like him,'" he said.

[Yes, it's so unlike Frank to side with a Christian who stands for God's Word isn't it Yayo?]

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/gay-former-student-pope-francis-speaks-223950230.html#

aikido7
October 4th, 2015, 02:50 PM
Even if you didn't mean it to be, your personal parable translation is appalling.

Is that how you think of people, or how you think anyone else should think of them?Again, I have to guess as to whether or not you are in fact responding to my specific post. If you will click on the "REPLY" button it would be more helpful to the respondent.

I was always frustrated as an adolescent because I always felt I was having to leave my brain and common sense behind at the church door! So I resolved to discover what the original intent was behind every passage and verse in the Bible I was having trouble with--much like the Supreme Court justices concerning the U.S. Constitution.

The best scholars of the Bible are true historians who take the text at face value using accepted historical methods and keep any faith-based subjectivity out of the equation.

The Samaritan was mentioned by Jesus to make a point: sometimes God reveals himself in the unclean and the corrupt.
Jesus's listeners could no more imagine a Samaritan as "good" any more than they could envision "loving one's enemies."

If anything, the parables of Jesus totally dislocate and overturn the conventional wisdom of his day--and ours. And his parables provide great examples of challenging the default world.

Likewise, leaven and the mustard plant were seen as unclean qualities.

To me history is tremendously important when I study the Bible. It does, like it or not, inform our faith.

aikido7
October 4th, 2015, 02:57 PM
Of course it was to you.

And I said it was appalling. Your parable translation is neither appropriate nor understandable.You probably mean to say that you recognize my posts come from my personal thinking and beliefs. And you would be absolutely correct.

And you also should have said my post was unbelievable instead of judging it "appalling." The more honest thing to do is to take some responsibility for yourself and say "I found it appalling."

Just ask me directly that you find my biblical exegesis not in the context of the discussion and that you don't understand where I am coming from.

Then we can go over it together.

annabenedetti
October 4th, 2015, 03:24 PM
I meant to say exactly what I said.

Cruciform
October 4th, 2015, 04:07 PM
Francis meets same-sex ‘couple’...
RCLady has already been definitively answered here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4446594&postcount=26). Sadly, she's just another Protestant schismatic.

aikido7
October 4th, 2015, 07:01 PM
I meant to say exactly what I said.You made use of the word "You" which is used in an accusatory fashion. By owning up to your own thoughts and feelings, you might have used the word "I."

Again, it would be helpful if you would answer a specific post by clicking on the REPLY button on your end. I still have to guess whether or not you post is for me specifically.

annabenedetti
October 4th, 2015, 07:19 PM
If you're finished giving me instructions about how to think and how to post, maybe you can get back to that appalling "Parable of the AIDs-infected, sweaty, Buddhist Homosexual" where I asked you if that was how you think of people, or how anyone else should think of them?

ok doser
October 5th, 2015, 09:07 AM
Francis meets same-sex ‘couple’: hugs ‘gay’ friend, kisses his ‘partner’



and yet, he excommunicated the mafia

who is he to judge?



Pope excommunicates Italian Mafia members (http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/21/world/pope-mafia-excommunication/)


Using his strongest language to date, Pope Francis told Italian Mafia members on Saturday that they are excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

"Those who in their life have gone along the evil ways, as in the case of the mafia, they are not with God, they are excommunicated," Francis said in an outdoor Mass in Piana di Sibari, Calabria.



it's a shame the befuddled old fool doesn't recognize homosexuality as evil

Knight
October 5th, 2015, 09:15 AM
I wonder if he told them.... "Go and sin no more".

aCultureWarrior
October 5th, 2015, 09:26 AM
I wonder if he told them.... "Go and sin no more".

Pope Frank probably said that to Kim Davis, as homophobic bigotry is a huge sin in todays moral relativist society.