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OCTOBER23
September 28th, 2015, 08:05 PM
The New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is only mentioned twice in the bible.

What do you think that it actually is and what will it be used for during the Millenium ?

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

patrick jane
September 28th, 2015, 08:14 PM
The New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is only mentioned twice in the bible.

What do you think that it actually is and what will it be used for during the Millenium ?

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

STP has a thread about tribulation doctrine, although it's in Theology Club so access is limited. this can be a good thread for all members. i haven't studied enough to draw conclusions, but i saw some excellent posts about New Jerusalem on STP's thread, even the possible shapes/forms and meanings.

meshak
September 28th, 2015, 08:53 PM
The New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is only mentioned twice in the bible.

What do you think that it actually is and what will it be used for during the Millenium ?

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

It seems to me it is paradise earth for saved people.

patrick jane
September 28th, 2015, 08:59 PM
It seems to me it is paradise earth for saved people.

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lukecash12
September 28th, 2015, 09:12 PM
The New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is only mentioned twice in the bible.

What do you think that it actually is and what will it be used for during the Millenium ?

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Let me guess, you're a futurist and what's more a dispensationalist?

daqq
September 28th, 2015, 09:34 PM
The New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is only mentioned twice in the bible.

What do you think that it actually is and what will it be used for during the Millenium ?

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Isaiah 62:1-2
1. For the sake of Zion will I not hold my peace, and for sake of Yerushalaim I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burns.
2. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of YHWH shall name.


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Ah, to be clothed from on High . . . (New-Renewed Covenant)


The women are the cities are the covenants are an allegory:

Galatians 4:22-27 ASV
22. For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the handmaid, and one by the freewoman.
23. Howbeit the son by the handmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise.
24. Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.
25. Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.
26. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
27. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband [Isaiah 54:1].

Isaiah 54:1-10 KJV Restored Name
54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, [Galatians 4:27] saith YHWH.
54:2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, [Exodus 26:7-14] and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: [Exodus 26:1-33] spare not, lengthen thy cords, [Exodus 35:18] and strengthen thy stakes; [Exodus 27:19]
54:3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
54:4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; YHWH of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Set-apart One of Israel; The Elohim of the whole earth shall he be called.
54:6 For YHWH hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy Elohim.
54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith YHWH thy Redeemer.
54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
54:10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, [Numbers 25:11-13] saith YHWH that hath mercy on thee.

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2 Corinthians 5:1-4
1. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle-tent were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3. If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4. For we that are in this tabernacle-tent do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

:sheep:

fzappa13
September 28th, 2015, 09:50 PM
The New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is only mentioned twice in the bible.

What do you think that it actually is and what will it be used for during the Millenium ?

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

21 is the key ... you won't see the new Jerusalem until after the millennial reign. Don't cherry pick scripture old friend, read it all.

Chapter 20 discusses the millennial reign and the judgement that comes after. 21 discusses what comes after that ... I suspect that is why 21 comes after 20. The Millennial Jerusalem is raised up from the earth (Zec 14). The post millennial Jerusalem comes down to earth from heaven (Rev 21).

RBBI
September 28th, 2015, 09:55 PM
@ Daqq......Someone who has sought wisdom.....:first:

Ps. That part about the 5 trees is interesting.

daqq
September 28th, 2015, 11:44 PM
@ Daqq......Someone who has sought wisdom.....:first:

Ps. That part about the 5 trees is interesting.

Neither do the vavey-hooks fall from the pillars, (trees). :)

OCTOBER23
September 29th, 2015, 03:16 PM
Thanks Posters for your comments.

See you in the Kingdom.~~~~~:rapture:~~:)~~~

RBBI
September 29th, 2015, 07:43 PM
Neither do the vavey-hooks fall from the pillars, (trees). :)

Hmm....I know what the pillars and trees represent, but I don't "get" the reference to the hooks not falling....???

daqq
September 30th, 2015, 12:12 AM
Hmm....I know what the pillars and trees represent, but I don't "get" the reference to the hooks not falling....???

It was just to say that the golden hooks are similar to the "leaves" in the statement, in that they do not fall, neither summer nor winter. There are seven pillars on the inside and two outside the door on the threshold-porch, (later called Boaz and Yakin when the first Temple was built) and the Pillar whose name is Branch and Door stands at the opening behind the first veil at the entrance, (and no one enters the Mishkan Paradise but by him and therefore by his Testimony). All of the pillars have hooks because the curtain at the door is hung on those five pillars and likewise the inner veil, (which represents the heavens) is hung on the four interior pillars. Perhaps the analogy has also to do with the similar analogy of a strong nail or peg fastened into a sure place. :)

intojoy
September 30th, 2015, 12:18 AM
The New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is only mentioned twice in the bible.

What do you think that it actually is and what will it be used for during the Millenium ?

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Now: Heaven

Later: Earth

chrysostom
September 30th, 2015, 04:04 AM
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Caino
September 30th, 2015, 04:31 AM
The New Jerusalem

The New Jerusalem is only mentioned twice in the bible.

What do you think that it actually is and what will it be used for during the Millenium ?

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

In Johns vision on Patmos he was shown the renovated earth of the future, an age where the original gospel will have been preached and the world subdued by the brotherhood of man within the currently dormant "Kingdom of heaven."

RBBI
September 30th, 2015, 04:52 AM
It was just to say that the golden hooks are similar to the "leaves" in the statement, in that they do not fall, neither summer nor winter. There are seven pillars on the inside and two outside the door on the threshold-porch, (later called Boaz and Yakin when the first Temple was built) and the Pillar whose name is Branch and Door stands at the opening behind the first veil at the entrance, (and no one enters the Mishkan Paradise but by him and therefore by his Testimony). All of the pillars have hooks because the curtain at the door is hung on those five pillars and likewise the inner veil, (which represents the heavens) is hung on the four interior pillars. Perhaps the analogy has also to do with the similar analogy of a strong nail or peg fastened into a sure place. :)

Excellent. Ok, I thought it might be leaves you were talking about, but wasn't sure. Yes, to be clothed from above.....and it's happening NOW. Peace

patrick jane
September 30th, 2015, 07:22 AM
Let me guess, you're a futurist and what's more a dispensationalist?

he's a doomsday prepper. you're a dispensationalist too, you're living in one now and only the good dispys are here - :chuckle:

SaulToPaul
September 30th, 2015, 11:21 AM
he's a doomsday prepper. you're a dispensationalist too, you're living in one now and only the good dispys are here - :chuckle:

I hope the LORD will allow you and saint john w the great to live in the New St. Louis in eternity.

False Prophet
September 30th, 2015, 11:27 AM
The new Jerusalem is mentioned as the bride of Christ; prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:2

chrysostom
September 30th, 2015, 11:32 AM
rome

SaulToPaul
September 30th, 2015, 12:15 PM
rome

:chuckle:

fzappa13
September 30th, 2015, 12:18 PM
Isaiah 62:1-2
1. For the sake of Zion will I not hold my peace, and for sake of Yerushalaim I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burns.
2. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of YHWH shall name.




Ah, to be clothed from on High . . . (New-Renewed Covenant)



2 Corinthians 5:1-4
1. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle-tent were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3. If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4. For we that are in this tabernacle-tent do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

:sheep:

Interesting graphic. Kinda reminds me of the efforts of Larkin. Who produced it?

daqq
September 30th, 2015, 02:12 PM
Interesting graphic. Kinda reminds me of the efforts of Larkin. Who produced it?

I produced it, with the exception of the garments of the Priest, (but the New Yerushalaim Breastplate of the Stones of Fire upon the Ephod is also my doing and also my current avatar). :)

MarcATL
September 30th, 2015, 03:42 PM
21 is the key ... you won't see the new Jerusalem until after the millennial reign. Don't cherry pick scripture old friend, read it all.

Chapter 20 discusses the millennial reign and the judgement that comes after. 21 discusses what comes after that ... I suspect that is why 21 comes after 20. The Millennial Jerusalem is raised up from the earth (Zec 14). The post millennial Jerusalem comes down to earth from heaven (Rev 21).
Brother Zappa, I get your point however, I must remind you that the book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

You happen to be correct in this instance, but the book in its entirety is not in chronological order.

lukecash12
September 30th, 2015, 04:02 PM
he's a doomsday prepper. you're a dispensationalist too, you're living in one now and only the good dispys are here - :chuckle:

I can relate some with futurists, but dispensationalists in particular have such a wonky idea of how to interpret the Word, and the consequences of that have been demonstrated by all of these Harold Camping types we've had since the 19th century.

What's more, I'm amazed at how common this has become, to the point that when I'm in a Baptist church every other sentence is "should the Lord tarry", as if we've all forgotten historically orthodox eschatology. Of course, the important part of eschatology is appreciating the promise, and keeping our lamps lit, understanding the instructions we have for right now. Still, it's funny to me when people look at me like I'm crazy for being an amillenial and partial preterist.

fzappa13
September 30th, 2015, 04:08 PM
Brother Zappa, I get your point however, I must remind you that the book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

You happen to be correct in this instance, but the book in its entirety is not in chronological order.

Point taken.

OCTOBER23
September 30th, 2015, 05:36 PM
Revelation 21:2

2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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If the New Jerusalem is Adorned as a Bride for her husband

Then God MUST HAVE PREPARED AND MUST CONTAIN THE BRIDE INSIDE

WAITING FOR HER HUSBAND TO ENTER....:thumb:
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Revelation 12:6 And the woman FLEW IN TO THE UNOCCUPIED PLACE

where she hath A PLACE PREPARED BY GOD,

that they NURTURE her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

patrick jane
September 30th, 2015, 05:38 PM
I can relate some with futurists, but dispensationalists in particular have such a wonky idea of how to interpret the Word, and the consequences of that have been demonstrated by all of these Harold Camping types we've had since the 19th century.

What's more, I'm amazed at how common this has become, to the point that when I'm in a Baptist church every other sentence is "should the Lord tarry", as if we've all forgotten historically orthodox eschatology. Of course, the important part of eschatology is appreciating the promise, and keeping our lamps lit, understanding the instructions we have for right now. Still, it's funny to me when people look at me like I'm crazy for being an amillenial and partial preterist.

that's ok, i'm new. anyway, when i saw some of your posts and you asking Calvanist questions i meant to tell you about AMR a member here that would have discussions with you. he bought you a gift !! congratulations and God Bless that !!

patrick jane
September 30th, 2015, 05:40 PM
I hope the LORD will allow you and saint john w the great to live in the New St. Louis in eternity.

hey brother, you turned gold !!! nice !!!

fzappa13
September 30th, 2015, 06:51 PM
Revelation 21:2

2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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If the New Jerusalem is Adorned as a Bride for her husband

Then God MUST HAVE PREPARED AND MUST CONTAIN THE BRIDE INSIDE

WAITING FOR HER HUSBAND TO ENTER....:thumb:
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Revelation 12:6 And the woman FLEW IN TO THE UNOCCUPIED PLACE

where she hath A PLACE PREPARED BY GOD,

that they NURTURE her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:6 refers to Israel's second wilderness experience ... a subject almost totally unaddressed by either Christianity or Judaism.

A sampler:

Eze20:33-38
Mic 4
Hos 2:14-16 (note the meanings of "Ishi" and "Baali")
Isa16: 1-5

And if you are into the prophetic nature of the Levitical ordinances there is Lev 16:7-10


BTW the word is "wilderness" not "unoccupied place". I would suggest a study of the term wilderness across the Bible wouldn't be without fruit.

chrysostom
October 1st, 2015, 05:21 AM
rome

SaulToPaul
October 1st, 2015, 07:04 AM
rome

:chuckle:

RBBI
October 1st, 2015, 10:50 AM
I produced it, with the exception of the garments of the Priest, (but the New Yerushalaim Breastplate of the Stones of Fire upon the Ephod is also my doing and also my current avatar). :)

Beautiful....you know the stones were in rows, though, right? Artistic license? ;)

daqq
October 3rd, 2015, 12:19 AM
Beautiful....you know the stones were in rows, though, right? Artistic license? ;)

When you begin to prove every statement that you make you will never stop learning. How do you know the difference between a row and a column in a writing so ancient? How do you know the same word is not used for both in certain situations? The precious stones are stones of fire because they are worn by the priest upon the heart, (Ezekiel 28:13-14 is a metaphorical reference to the same because the enemy also treads the fiery stones upon the heart until he is cast out). Likewise the heart is an altar of adamah because man is taken from the dust of the adamah in the beginning. The idea of the heart being an altar is revealed in various places from Torah such as in Exodus 20:24, ("You shall make unto Me an altar of adamah") and its companion passage which is Deuteronomy 5:29, ("O that there were such an heart in them!"). Make therefore an altar of adamah and perhaps you will see, (or be shown) how the twelve precious stones are to be arranged. The stones are set in the adamah-soil which is the base for the altar of all your sacrifices unto Elohim, (this is typology and still fully applicable to this day). Joshua built the type when the children of Israel crossed the Jordan into the Land, (those stones were likewise precious in the typology because they were taken from the dried up river bed of the Jordan and cannot be found elsewhere). In my diagram you see two rows and two columns, making a square, but I just as easily see four rows only not arranged in the way most would expect them to be arranged. :)

RBBI
October 3rd, 2015, 06:51 AM
And a beautiful typology it is.....Peace