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republicanchick
August 5th, 2015, 11:43 AM
"If you love Me, you will keep My Commandments"


-Jesus



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Grosnick Marowbe
August 5th, 2015, 11:54 AM
"If you love Me, you will keep My Commandments"


-Jesus



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You're desiring to live under the Law. Therefore, you will die in your sins
due to the fact you cannot follow the law flawlessly!

republicanchick
August 5th, 2015, 11:55 AM
You're desiring to live under the Law. Therefore, you will die in your sins
due to the fact you cannot follow the law flawlessly!

Ok

we will put you down as not caring what Jesus said.



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SaulToPaul
August 5th, 2015, 01:06 PM
Ok

we will put you down as not caring what Jesus said.



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Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Matthew 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.


Do it.

SaulToPaul
August 5th, 2015, 01:13 PM
You're desiring to live under the Law. Therefore, you will die in your sins
due to the fact you cannot follow the law flawlessly!

She is clueless. Needs less time in front of the tv, and less time worrying about this corrupt world system, and more time in The Book.

Bright Raven
August 5th, 2015, 01:18 PM
Republican Chick, Do you believe this scripture;

John 10:27-29 Modern English Version (MEV)

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

28 I give them eternal life. They shall never perish, nor shall anyone snatch them from My hand.

29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them from My Father’s hand.

If you do, how can you not believe in eternal security?

way 2 go
August 5th, 2015, 07:10 PM
Eze 18:24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die.

way 2 go
August 5th, 2015, 07:16 PM
You're desiring to live under the Law. Therefore, you will die in your sins
due to the fact you cannot follow the law flawlessly!

all 613

:help:

SaulToPaul
August 6th, 2015, 12:06 PM
Every single so-called anti OSAS passage is about a group of believers not yet saved.

Once saved, it cannot be lost.

oatmeal
August 6th, 2015, 05:21 PM
there are none.

john w
August 6th, 2015, 05:39 PM
Ok

we will put you down as not caring what Jesus said.



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Sell all you have.

No?

"we will put you down as not caring what Jesus said."

SaulToPaul
August 7th, 2015, 09:22 AM
Sell all you have.

No?

"we will put you down as not caring what Jesus said."

I ordered a dozen brown scapulars from Amazon for my family. I have a few left over. Would you like one, saint john? Seeing as how you don't care what Jesus said, maybe you would like some fire insurance?

john w
August 7th, 2015, 10:33 AM
I ordered a dozen brown scapulars from Amazon for my family. I have a few left over. Would you like one, saint john? Seeing as how you don't care what Jesus said, maybe you would like some fire insurance?

No, Mayor, as you know that I've always wanted a "pope mobile." Now, if you'd get another job, such as a real estate agent, or vacuum cleaner salesman, perhaps you can make my dream come true, and I just might be able to attend those Friday night fish frye's, in my new ride.

I hear that the Sims house, in your neck of the woods, might be a candidate for sale-big commissions.

oatmeal
August 7th, 2015, 10:42 AM
there are none.

Some qualification is needed here.

Salvation is a gift, but like all gifts, it must be opened and used to best benefit the recipient.

The gift of salvation/eternal life/holy spirit is permanent, you cannot lose it, but to bring the most benefit, we must learn from scripture what to do with it.

If we neglect that gift, we miss out.

If we use it, then go back to our old ways, we may lose some of the benefits we acquired by working it. Philippians 2:12-16

Jesus Christ demonstrated the great benefits of using what God gave us.

The context of Philippians 2:12-16 is Philippians 2:5-11 where we are exhorted to grow in humble, loving obedience to God our Father with the same resolve and commitment that Jesus lived.

SaulToPaul
August 7th, 2015, 10:45 AM
No, Mayor, as you know that I've always wanted a "pope mobile." Now, if you'd get another job, such as a real estate agent, or vacuum cleaner salesman, perhaps you can make my dream come true, and I just might be able to attend those Friday night fish frye's, in my new ride.

I hear that the Sims house, in your neck of the woods, might be a candidate for sale-big commissions.

You look pretty cool in the squad car, but I have to admit that a Saint John W-mobile would be nice.

Angel4Truth
August 7th, 2015, 10:49 AM
"If you love Me, you will keep My Commandments"


-Jesus


John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
:think:

republicanchick
August 7th, 2015, 11:39 AM
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
:think:

so?

nowhere in that psg does it say you can't lose salvation AFTER obtaining it

and indeed the Bible says in MANY places that you can.. Mt 18:23

Revelation

etc..

Revelation and other books tell us repeatedly that we are judged by our DEEDS


have read the whole Bible over and over and over... You can't argue this one with me


but I am sure you will



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Angel4Truth
August 7th, 2015, 11:42 AM
so?

nowhere in that psg does it say you can't lose salvation AFTER obtaining it

and indeed the Bible says in MANY places that you can.. Mt 18:23

Revelation

etc..

Revelation and other books tell us repeatedly that we are judged by our DEEDS


have read the whole Bible over and over and over... You can't argue this one with me


but I am sure you will



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What do you think does not come into judgment mean? (your verse is totally out of context to any of this)

Bright Raven
August 7th, 2015, 11:44 AM
so?

nowhere in that psg does it say you can't lose salvation AFTER obtaining it

and indeed the Bible says in MANY places that you can.. Mt 18:23

Revelation

etc..

Revelation and other books tell us repeatedly that we are judged by our DEEDS


have read the whole Bible over and over and over... You can't argue this one with me


but I am sure you will



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Matthew 18:23 is about forgiveness not loss of salvation. :duh:

republicanchick
August 7th, 2015, 11:59 AM
What do you think does not come into judgment mean? (your verse is totally out of context to any of this)

you should not go by the Bible alone. The Bible needs an Interpreter, which is the Church Christ founded. You Protestants don't have that (the Original Church), so don't assume you can infallibly interpret all scripture. In fact in 1 or 2 Peter it TELLS us that scripture is not up for personal interpretation



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republicanchick
August 7th, 2015, 12:00 PM
Matthew 18:23 is about forgiveness not loss of salvation. :duh:

too bad you find them mutually exclusive, meaning you cznnot conceive of having salvation and then losing through egregious sin (not venial but mortal)

you don't believe the Bible



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SaulToPaul
August 7th, 2015, 12:03 PM
you don't believe the Bible





Eph 2:6 (KJV)

Bright Raven
August 7th, 2015, 12:06 PM
you should not go by the Bible alone. The Bible needs an Interpreter, which is the Church Christ founded. You Protestants don't have that (the Original Church), so don't assume you can infallibly interpret all scripture. In fact in 1 or 2 Peter it TELLS us that scripture is not up for personal interpretation



___Acts 17:11 Modern English Version (MEV)

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all eagerness, daily examining the Scriptures, to find out if these things were so.

SaulToPaul
August 7th, 2015, 12:09 PM
Acts 17:11 Modern English Version (MEV)

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all eagerness, daily examining the Scriptures, to find out if these things were so.

They wasted their time BR.

"The Church" had already interpreted those scriptures for them. All they had to do was ask.

republicanchick
August 7th, 2015, 12:11 PM
Acts 17:11 Modern English Version (MEV)

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all eagerness, daily examining the Scriptures, to find out if these things were so.

and?



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Bright Raven
August 7th, 2015, 12:11 PM
They wasted their time BR.

"The Church" had already interpreted those scriptures for them. All they had to do was ask.

:chuckle:

Angel4Truth
August 7th, 2015, 12:15 PM
you should not go by the Bible alone. The Bible needs an Interpreter, which is the Church Christ founded. You Protestants don't have that (the Original Church), so don't assume you can infallibly interpret all scripture. In fact in 1 or 2 Peter it TELLS us that scripture is not up for personal interpretation



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I dont need anyone to interpret "DOES NOT COME INTO JUDGEMENT.

Its self explanatory to all those who arent looking for money to get a get a get out of hell card with indulgences.

Psalmist
August 7th, 2015, 12:22 PM
I used to hear a lot of years ago. Luke 9:62

I believe that I'm safe In Jesus, and my salvation is not the question at judgement, but my works whether good or bad.

Bright Raven
August 7th, 2015, 12:24 PM
There are none. Eternal Security can not be lost.

Psalmist
August 7th, 2015, 12:31 PM
There are none. Eternal Security can not be lost.

I think this what I was thinking about...
2 Cor. 5:10-11
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.

This is what I had in mind...
1 Cor. 3:12-15
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

RevTestament
August 7th, 2015, 12:40 PM
There are none. Eternal Security can not be lost.

One can turn, and deny him.
Don't use the
"well he wasn't really saved in the first place"
It is makes OSAS a logical fallacy.

Jamie Gigliotti
August 7th, 2015, 12:41 PM
"If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch that withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned." John 15:6

"...but you stand through faith. So do not become proud but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches neither will he spare you. Note the kindness and severity of God: severity towards those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off." Romans 11:20-22

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence work out your salvation in fear and trembling." Phiilipians 2:12

"And the one on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy.
But these have no root, they believe for a while, but in the time of testing fall away." Luke 8:13

Bright Raven
August 7th, 2015, 12:43 PM
I think this what I was thinking about...
2 Cor. 5:10-11
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.

This is what I had in mind...
1 Cor. 3:12-15
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Still there is no mention of loss of salvation here but that He will be saved even though he suffers loss. Praise the Lord!

Psalmist
August 7th, 2015, 02:09 PM
B/R that is what I had noticed no mention of salvation being lost.

Bright Raven
August 7th, 2015, 02:10 PM
B/R that is what I had noticed no mention of salvation being lost.

Amen my Brother!

Psalmist
August 7th, 2015, 03:09 PM
If joined something and thought I would lost at any moment after joining, I don't think I would join.

Jamie Gigliotti
August 7th, 2015, 04:51 PM
If joined something and thought I would lost at any moment after joining, I don't think I would join.

You don't have to. Do this.
"For the one who sows to His own flesh reaps corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit, from the Spirit reaps eternal life." Galatians 6:8

Psalmist
August 7th, 2015, 07:30 PM
You don't have to. Do this.
"For the one who sows to His own flesh reaps corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit, from the Spirit reaps eternal life." Galatians 6:8
That I do know. That I do.