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Robert Pate
August 5th, 2015, 05:40 AM
"The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hand" John 3:35.

There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.

"For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him and for him. And he is before ALL THINGS and by him ALL THINGS consist. And he is the head of the body,the church: who is the beginning, the first born from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell" Colossians 1:16-19.

In the light of these scriptures it is foolishness to believe that God the Father would predestinate anyone to salvation outside of his Son Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ. All things are done by him and through him and without him NOTHING is done.

"All things were made by him, and without him nothing was made" John 1:3.

I am a little sick of this Christless religion that is being preached today. Religion and I mean all religions are anti-Christ, there is no Gospel in any of it. There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus Christ that fulfilled God's Holy Law. It was Jesus Christ that atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. It was Jesus Christ that God accepted into heaven in our name and on our behalf. It is Jesus Christ that is coming again to redeem the earth and all that is in it.

Robert Pate
August 6th, 2015, 04:52 AM
"The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hand" John 3:35.

There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.

"For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him and for him. And he is before ALL THINGS and by him ALL THINGS consist. And he is the head of the body,the church: who is the beginning, the first born from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell" Colossians 1:16-19.

In the light of these scriptures it is foolishness to believe that God the Father would predestinate anyone to salvation outside of his Son Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ. All things are done by him and through him and without him NOTHING is done.

"All things were made by him, and without him nothing was made" John 1:3.

I am a little sick of this Christless religion that is being preached today. Religion and I mean all religions are anti-Christ, there is no Gospel in any of it. There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus Christ that fulfilled God's Holy Law. It was Jesus Christ that atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. It was Jesus Christ that God accepted into heaven in our name and on our behalf. It is Jesus Christ that is coming again to redeem the earth and all that is in it.


God does NOTHING, absolutly NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.

The only thing that we hear from God in the New Testament is... "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: listen to him" Matthew 17:5. God says NOTHING, God does NOTHING after that. In the New Testament God is in heaven and now it is all about Jesus Christ.

Jesus never refers to anyone as the elect or the predestinated ones. Jesus sees all men as sinners. Jesus did not commit himself to anyone because he knew that all men were sinners, John 2:24.

There is no special group outside of the disciples and not even then can they be trusted. Peter denied Christ three times. The disciples were just ordinary sinful men. What changed them was the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost after they heard the Gospel.

Jesus mission was to provide salvation for fallen man. Jesus was God's new Adam and our new humanity. God's Son who was the prince of heaven, came to this dark planet and clothed himself in human flesh and became one with us, but not one of us and then... "He who knew no sin made him to be sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" 2 Corinthians 5:21. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus Christ becomes sin for us.

God gives his only begotten Son for our sins and the sins of the world, 1 John 2:2. This is why God does NOTHING, absolutly NOTHING outside of his Son Jesus Christ. It would be an insult to Christ if God ran souls around his Son and predestinated them to eternal life without Christ. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: NO MAN comes to the Father but by me" John 14:6. If you want to be saved, you are going to have to come to Christ as a repentant sinner and ask Christ to save you. There is no other way.

Squeaky
August 6th, 2015, 05:13 AM
Col 1:12-19
12 giving thanks to the Father(God) who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.
13 He(God) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(God) love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through(For) Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
(NKJ)


2 Cor 5:18-21
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.
21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
(NKJ)

Robert Pate
August 6th, 2015, 07:09 AM
Col 1:12-19
12 giving thanks to the Father(God) who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.
13 He(God) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(God) love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through(For) Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
(NKJ)


2 Cor 5:18-21
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.
21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
(NKJ)


You have added the word "Father" when the word "Father" is not in the scripture. You have also added the word "God" when "God" is not mentioned in the scripture.

Colossians 1:13, is about Jesus Christ, not God. Christ is the one that delivered us from the powers of darkness.

Colossians 1:16 is also about Jesus Christ. Christ was present in the creation of the world.

It is heresy to confuse the work the work of the trinity.

The Father stays in heaven
The Son comes into the world as the savior
The Holy Spirit glorifies the Son and works in the life of the believer.

God is not the savior, nor is the Holy Spirit. They are all present in each other, but their works are different.

fishrovmen
October 31st, 2016, 06:46 PM
Robert,
When you say that God sees all things in His Son, that means that He doesn't see individual people?

fishrovmen
October 31st, 2016, 06:53 PM
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Jesus never refers to anyone as the elect or the predestinated ones. [/QUOTE]
Matthew 24:22 and Mark 13:20 are still in my Bibles.

jamie
October 31st, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jesus never refers to anyone as the elect...



In Matthew 24:22 NET Jesus said, "And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short."

Is there an elect group of people?

fishrovmen
November 1st, 2016, 05:51 AM
God does NOTHING, absolutly NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.


Then how can you say that God is at peace with the whole world, unless like you have proved many times before, that you are a universalist?
How does anyone attain peace with God? Check out Romans 5:1.

Ben Masada
November 1st, 2016, 06:19 AM
God Sees ALL THINGS in His Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus was only part of the true Son of God. So, God sees all things in His Son Israel if you read Exodus 4:22,23.

beloved57
November 1st, 2016, 06:21 AM
"The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hand" John 3:35.

There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ.

"For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him and for him. And he is before ALL THINGS and by him ALL THINGS consist. And he is the head of the body,the church: who is the beginning, the first born from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell" Colossians 1:16-19.

In the light of these scriptures it is foolishness to believe that God the Father would predestinate anyone to salvation outside of his Son Jesus Christ. God does NOTHING outside of His Son Jesus Christ. All things are done by him and through him and without him NOTHING is done.

"All things were made by him, and without him nothing was made" John 1:3.

I am a little sick of this Christless religion that is being preached today. Religion and I mean all religions are anti-Christ, there is no Gospel in any of it. There is no salvation for anyone outside of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus Christ that fulfilled God's Holy Law. It was Jesus Christ that atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. It was Jesus Christ that God accepted into heaven in our name and on our behalf. It is Jesus Christ that is coming again to redeem the earth and all that is in it.

Then you turn right around and teach that sinners Christ died for are going to perish in their sins anyways!

Ben Masada
November 1st, 2016, 06:26 AM
God Sees ALL THINGS in His Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus was only part of the Son of God aka Israel if you read Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My Son" said the Lord.

beameup
November 1st, 2016, 06:35 AM
In Matthew 24:22 NET Jesus said, "And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short."

Is there an elect group of people?

Yes, there is a "remnant" of Jews who survive the Tribulation and live to see Yeshua returning in all His glory.

Ben Masada
November 1st, 2016, 06:41 AM
Yes, there is a "remnant" of Jews who survive the Tribulation and live to see Yeshua returning in all His glory.

Well my friend, no intention to rain on your parade but, you are going to wait for another 2000 years. But I would not put too much hope on that because Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 does not promise that much.

Robert Pate
November 1st, 2016, 08:01 AM
Robert,
When you say that God sees all things in His Son, that means that He doesn't see individual people?

You got it. If it was not for Jesus Christ, God would have wrapped up the whole thing in one big ball of fire.

Robert Pate
November 1st, 2016, 08:08 AM
Then how can you say that God is at peace with the whole world, unless like you have proved many times before, that you are a universalist?
How does anyone attain peace with God? Check out Romans 5:1.

Reconciliation has been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

But nothing is ours until it is received. If you don't receive it, it is not yours.

Only those that have accepted Christ as their savior are at peace with God and are a part of God's new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

fishrovmen
November 1st, 2016, 10:30 AM
Reconciliation has been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

But nothing is ours until it is received. If you don't receive it, it is not yours.

Only those that have accepted Christ as their savior are at peace with God and are a part of God's new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

But your thread entitled "Is God at Peace With the World" says differently. You state in that thread right in the opening post that God is at peace with the world.

beloved57
November 1st, 2016, 10:38 AM
God Sees ALL THINGS in His Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus was only part of the Son of God aka Israel if you read Exodus 4:22,23. "Israel is My Son" said the Lord.

Hey, was the golden calf a son of God?

fishrovmen
November 1st, 2016, 12:39 PM
Reconciliation has been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

But nothing is ours until it is received. If you don't receive it, it is not yours.

Only those that have accepted Christ as their savior are at peace with God and are a part of God's new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

So, what you are saying is that God offers reconciliation to the whole world, but if you don't receive it, there is no reconciliation?

fishrovmen
November 1st, 2016, 12:45 PM
You got it. If it was not for Jesus Christ, God would have wrapped up the whole thing in one big ball of fire.

So, in the judgment, how does this "god" know who to impute sins that were already forgiven and destroyed to?

jamie
November 1st, 2016, 02:30 PM
So, in the judgment, how does this "god" know who to impute sins that were already forgiven and destroyed to?


Everyone raised for judgment on the Last Day will have already paid the penalty for their sins.

Jacob
November 1st, 2016, 03:30 PM
You wrote, "God Sees ALL THINGS In His Son Jesus Christ". The scripture (I read the first verse, so this is the scripture I mean) you quoted does not use these words. You did quote more than one verse, but I don't see these words (your thread title).

beloved57
November 1st, 2016, 03:55 PM
Everyone raised for judgment on the Last Day will have already paid the penalty for their sins.

False teaching !

Robert Pate
November 1st, 2016, 04:14 PM
So, in the judgment, how does this "god" know who to impute sins that were already forgiven and destroyed to?

All that have received Christ as their savior are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. This is God's mark of ownership. The Lord knows those that are his. In the judgment if you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned.

Nanja
November 1st, 2016, 05:58 PM
All that have received Christ as their savior are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. This is God's mark of ownership. The Lord knows those that are his. In the judgment if you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned.


The only ones who are "In Christ" are those who were Chosen In Union with Him before the foundation of the world: God's Adopted Children Eph. 1:5.

Their own work of "receiving" had absolutely nothing to do with it!

Eph. 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will

Those Chosen In Christ, because He is their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22; John 10:11,15, their sins were imputed to Him Rom. 4:7-8, and His Righteousness imputed to them Rom. 5:19: The Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb. 13:20!


But all the rest of humanity shall not believe on Christ [a fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22] because they were condemned already John 3:18, 36.

They were not chosen in Christ to have forgiveness of sins, because they are not His Sheep John 10:26!


Mat. 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand [God's Elect In Christ], Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

~~~

jamie
November 1st, 2016, 06:43 PM
In the judgment if you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned.


What do you believe is the payment for sin?

fishrovmen
November 2nd, 2016, 03:00 AM
All that have received Christ as their savior are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. This is God's mark of ownership. The Lord knows those that are his. In the judgment if you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned.

WHAT sins are there left to impute? You are on record for stating countless times that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the WHOLE world. You also state that Jesus has destroyed sin, death and the devil.

fishrovmen
November 2nd, 2016, 03:08 AM
You got it. If it was not for Jesus Christ, God would have wrapped up the whole thing in one big ball of fire.

Psalm 94:9, Proverbs 15:3, Psalm 34:15, 1 Peter 3:12, Psalm 33:18.

Ben Masada
November 2nd, 2016, 03:31 AM
What do you believe is the payment for sin?

Jail time only if the transgression is not fatal to the victim. Otherwise, a death sentence could be the payment.

Ben Masada
November 2nd, 2016, 03:42 AM
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Robert Pate
November 2nd, 2016, 12:27 PM
WHAT sins are there left to impute? You are on record for stating countless times that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the WHOLE world. You also state that Jesus has destroyed sin, death and the devil.

Everything will be made clear to you in the judgment.

"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" Romans 4:8.

Robert Pate
November 2nd, 2016, 12:30 PM
The only ones who are "In Christ" are those who were Chosen In Union with Him before the foundation of the world: God's Adopted Children Eph. 1:5.

Their own work of "receiving" had absolutely nothing to do with it!

Eph. 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will

Those Chosen In Christ, because He is their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22; John 10:11,15, their sins were imputed to Him Rom. 4:7-8, and His Righteousness imputed to them Rom. 5:19: The Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb. 13:20!


But all the rest of humanity shall not believe on Christ [a fruit of the Spirit Gal. 5:22] because they were condemned already John 3:18, 36.

They were not chosen in Christ to have forgiveness of sins, because they are not His Sheep John 10:26!


Mat. 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand [God's Elect In Christ], Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

~~~

Nothing is yours if you don't receive Christ as your savior.

Nanja
November 2nd, 2016, 02:35 PM
Nothing is yours if you don't receive Christ as your savior.


Only God's Elect shall receive Christ after they have been Born of God.

It's the result of being Chosen in Christ and Predestinated to the Adoption of Sons.

Eph. 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will


John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Those verses are not saying that Christ was offered to spiritually dead sinners which are given a choice by their imaginary freewill to accept Him and become saved or reject Him and remain lost. That's promoting a false gospel of works: salvation by works a person does.


Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


God's Elect were given Grace before the world began.

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

~~~

Robert Pate
November 2nd, 2016, 02:44 PM
Only God's Elect shall receive Christ after they have been Born of God.

It's the result of being Chosen in Christ and Predestinated to the Adoption of Sons.

Eph. 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will


John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Those verses are not saying that Christ was offered to spiritually dead sinners which are given a choice by their imaginary freewill to accept Him and become saved or reject Him and remain lost. That's promoting a false gospel of works: salvation by works a person does.


Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


God's Elect were given Grace before the world began.

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

~~~

To believe what you believe is to believe that God is unjust.

To believe that God is unjust is to sentence yourself to hell.

Nanja
November 2nd, 2016, 02:52 PM
To believe what you believe is to believe that God is unjust.

To believe that God is unjust is to sentence yourself to hell.


Because you are not of God and at enmity with Him, you are prevented from Hearing His Words.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

~~~

Robert Pate
November 2nd, 2016, 02:56 PM
Because you are not of God and at enmity with Him, you are prevented from Hearing His Words.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

~~~

The word says that if you do not receive Christ as your savior, you are damned.

I hear it and it is plain and clear.

Lilstu
November 2nd, 2016, 03:03 PM
"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: listen to him" Matthew 17:5.

LISTEN TO HIM....but so many are just listening to Paul.

If someone goes out walking in the hot sun on a dessert road at midday and claims that Jesus spoke to him and even appeared to him are we required to listen to what he says?

Robert Pate
November 2nd, 2016, 03:11 PM
"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: listen to him" Matthew 17:5.

LISTEN TO HIM....but so many are just listening to Paul.

If someone goes out walking in the hot sun on a dessert road at midday and claims that Jesus spoke to him and even appeared to him are we required to listen to what he says?


I believe in what Paul wrote. To not believe Paul is to not believe the Bible.

Nanja
November 2nd, 2016, 03:33 PM
The word says that if you do not receive Christ as your savior, you are damned.

I hear it and it is plain and clear.


Obviously, you can only hear it audibly, with the physical ear, because you have never been Born of God.

John 8:43,47
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


The word "heareth" in John 8:47 is the Gr. word "akouō" and one of the meanings is to:

E. to comprehend, to understand


That's a Spiritual comprehension or understanding of God Words which are Spiritual 1Cor 2:13, and is only made possible by one who has been Born of God!

~~~

flintstoned
November 2nd, 2016, 05:16 PM
All that have received Christ as their savior are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. This is God's mark of ownership. The Lord knows those that are his. In the judgment if you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned.

What do you mean by "imputed BACK" to you? The sins of those who are in Christ, have been forgiven. They have been paid for. Those who are not in Christ, remain in their sin and are condemned already. There is no need for Him to impute sins BACK to those whose sins were never forgiven or atoned for.

Robert Pate
November 2nd, 2016, 05:20 PM
What do you mean by "imputed BACK" to you? The sins of those who are in Christ, have been forgiven. They have been paid for. Those who are not in Christ, remain in their sin and are condemned already. There is no need for Him to impute sins BACK to those whose sins were never forgiven or atoned for.

In the judgment sins will be imputed back to those who are not "In Christ" Romans 4:8.

flintstoned
November 2nd, 2016, 06:25 PM
In the judgment sins will be imputed back to those who are not "In Christ" Romans 4:8.

Romans 4:8 does not say anything about imputing sins BACK to anyone. It says:

"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.

The elect in Christ are blessed because He does not charge their sins against them. They are blessed because they are forgiven and their sin is paid for. On the other hand, He does charge those who are left in their sins which is why they are condemned. He doesn't impute sins BACK to those whose sin was never forgiven in the first place. That wouldn't even make sense.

jamie
November 2nd, 2016, 06:40 PM
In the judgment sins will be imputed back to those who are not "In Christ" Romans 4:8.


Oh come on, Robert, those at the Judgment have no sin. You know better than that.

Robert Pate
November 2nd, 2016, 07:36 PM
Romans 4:8 does not say anything about imputing sins BACK to anyone. It says:

"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

The elect in Christ are blessed because He does not charge their sins against them. They are blessed because they are forgiven and their sin is paid for. On the other hand, He does charge those who are left in their sins which is why they are condemned. He doesn't impute sins BACK to those whose sin was never forgiven in the first place. That wouldn't even make sense.

If you have never called on Christ to save you, you are still in your sins and will die in your sins, even though Christ has atoned for your sins. To reject what Christ has done for you will means that your sins will be imputed back to you.

"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will Not impute sin" Romans 4:8.

It appears that you are not going to be one of the blessed ones. Salvation always has been and always will be by faith in Christ and his Gospel.

Nanja
November 3rd, 2016, 05:46 PM
If you have never called on Christ to save you, you are still in your sins and will die in your sins


One doesn't call on the name of the Lord to BE SAVED,
but calling on the name of the Lord is the evidence that one IS SAVED 2 Tim. 1:9; Rom. 8:15 !


Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration,
and renewing of the Holy Ghost


The Faith which is a Fruit of the Holy Spirit, is given in New Birth to all of the Elect of God Gal. 5:22.

It's something that the carnal man cannot achieve in a way that pleases God Rom. 8:8!


Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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Bright Raven
November 3rd, 2016, 05:53 PM
Romans 10:9-10 King James Version (KJV)

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Hebrews 2:9 King James Version (KJV)

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Believe in the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 King James Version (KJV)

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Robert Pate
November 3rd, 2016, 09:05 PM
Romans 4:8 does not say anything about imputing sins BACK to anyone. It says:

"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

The elect in Christ are blessed because He does not charge their sins against them. They are blessed because they are forgiven and their sin is paid for. On the other hand, He does charge those who are left in their sins which is why they are condemned. He doesn't impute sins BACK to those whose sin was never forgiven in the first place. That wouldn't even make sense.

You refuse to acknowledge the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Jesus has victoriously defeated sin death and the devil and is Lord, Colossians 2:15. For now God is at peace with the world, because of Jesus, Colossians 1:20.

However, when Christ appears it will be a time of judgment. In the judgment you will either be found in Christ or you will not. If you are not "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned.