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CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 06:53 AM
Pope Enthroned Between Cherubim,
Showing himself that he is God: http://www.biblelight.net/pope-throne.htm

This link has been checked. Stop changing my links.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 08:14 AM
From the Catholic National, July of 1895: "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh."

Joseph Devarbe's Catechism says, on page 279: "The priest does really and truly forgive sins in virtue of the power given to him by Christ."

Another from The Catholic Priest, pages 78,79: "Seek where you will, through heaven and earth, and you will find but one created being who can forgive the sinner, who can free him from the chains of hell, that extraordinary being is the priest, the (Roman) Catholic priest. Yes, beloved brethren, the priest not only declares that the sinner is forgiven, but he really forgives him. The priest raises his hand, he pronounces the word of absolution, and in an instant, quick as a flash of light the chains of hell are burst asunder, and the sinner becomes a child of God. So great is the power of the priest that the judgements of heaven itself are subject to his decision."

Sancocho
July 24th, 2015, 08:23 AM
Why is it whenever I research a supposed claim to it's root they are never what is being represented. there is something diabolical about this.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 08:34 AM
Why is it whenever I research a supposed claim to it's root they are never what is being represented. there is something diabolical about this.
Be specific. Please articulate.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 08:35 AM
In ancient Europe, including Italy, a moon goddess was worshiped before the advent of Christianity. This goddess was often seen standing on a crescent moon. After Catholicism became a state religion in Italy, the moon goddess was replaced by the Virgin Mary, who is often depicted standing on a moon.

Revelation 12:1
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/albums?view=album&code=SunRaysandHalos#_

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 08:39 AM
The Catholic Priest Really Has the Power to Forgive Sins. http://revelationchronicles.org/Handouts/catholicpriest.pdf

Sancocho
July 24th, 2015, 08:48 AM
Be specific. Please articulate.

I became Protestant because the number of "claims" against the Catholic church were so numerous. However, after researching they generally fall into a couple categories:

1. mistranslation (CARM is a good example)
2. quote taken out of context (CARM is a good example)
3. an inaccurate statement from a Catholic either due to misinformation about RCC beliefs or poor choice of words that are attributed as Catholic doctrine.
4. not understanding the Pope is a sinner capable of mistakes when not making declarations about Church doctrine.

Interestingly, one of the mainstay arguments for Protestants is that supposedly we Catholics believe that the Pope is perfect like God so they believe when they find mistakes in the Pope's life that this means he must be the antichrist. However, this is based on the false notion that the pope cannot make mistakes, and thus this logic is invalid. In other words the Protestant create this false perception of the pope and then when he inevitably fails they claim he was the antichrist. This is deception pure and simple and those who do this purposely are playing with fire by enabling an unclean spirit to come into their life. I do not recommend this because the devil is real and can wreak havoc in our personal lives if we deal in half truths.

Ironically, after having attended various Protestant churches over many years I was told when the Pastor was "in the Spirit" he cannot make a mistake.

Sancocho
July 24th, 2015, 08:53 AM
In ancient Europe, including Italy, a moon goddess was worshiped before the advent of Christianity. This goddess was often seen standing on a crescent moon. After Catholicism became a state religion in Italy, the moon goddess was replaced by the Virgin Mary, who is often depicted standing on a moon.

Revelation 12:1
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/albums?view=album&code=SunRaysandHalos#_

The prostitute is the USA. No other country has separated the Body of Christ more nor promoted prostitution through pornography through it's media and public schools. Furthermore, just like prostitutes in ancient times they kill their children. Worse, is now they have modern medicine to do it. That is why abortion is the number one cause of homicide in the world at 26 to 30 million, which is much greater than the next cause of homicide - firearms at 450,000. Furthermore, no one promotes child sacrifice around the world more than the US. Throw in the all out promotion of homosexuality around the world by the US and there is no question the US is the prostitute.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 12:41 PM
I became Protestant because the number of "claims" against the Catholic church were so numerous. However, after researching they generally fall into a couple categories:

1. mistranslation (CARM is a good example)
2. quote taken out of context (CARM is a good example)
3. an inaccurate statement from a Catholic either due to misinformation about RCC beliefs or poor choice of words that are attributed as Catholic doctrine.
4. not understanding the Pope is a sinner capable of mistakes when not making declarations about Church doctrine.

Interestingly, one of the mainstay arguments for Protestants is that supposedly we Catholics believe that the Pope is perfect like God so they believe when they find mistakes in the Pope's life that this means he must be the antichrist. However, this is based on the false notion that the pope cannot make mistakes, and thus this logic is invalid. In other words the Protestant create this false perception of the pope and then when he inevitably fails they claim he was the antichrist. This is deception pure and simple and those who do this purposely are playing with fire by enabling an unclean spirit to come into their life. I do not recommend this because the devil is real and can wreak havoc in our personal lives if we deal in half truths.

Ironically, after having attended various Protestant churches over many years I was told when the Pastor was "in the Spirit" he cannot make a mistake.

I was asking you if you saw any mistake on my part.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 12:44 PM
The prostitute is the USA. No other country has separated the Body of Christ more nor promoted prostitution through pornography through it's media and public schools. Furthermore, just like prostitutes in ancient times they kill their children. Worse, is now they have modern medicine to do it. That is why abortion is the number one cause of homicide in the world at 26 to 30 million, which is much greater than the next cause of homicide - firearms at 450,000. Furthermore, no one promotes child sacrifice around the world more than the US. Throw in the all out promotion of homosexuality around the world by the US and there is no question the US is the prostitute.
America is this beast:

Revelation 13:11
[ The Beast out of the Earth ] Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.

Sancocho
July 24th, 2015, 12:46 PM
I was asking you if you saw any mistake on my part.

Conspicuously the first claim has no reference that can be verified.

At any rate let's say a Catholic, even a religious, makes a false claim about Catholic doctrine this still does nothing to detract from the actual doctrine.

After all, if a person from your denomination makes a false claim about the denomination's beliefs it would not be logical to assume that said beliefs are false based on a simple declaration if there is more definitive evidence of the denominations true doctrine.

Such is the case with the RCC, our doctrine and beliefs are there for everyone to investigate themselves.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 12:47 PM
Here is a small example of the Catholic Church: http://biblelight.net/666.htm

http://biblelight.net/vatican.htm

Sancocho
July 24th, 2015, 12:51 PM
Here is a small example of the Catholic Church: http://biblelight.net/666.htm

http://biblelight.net/vatican.htm

You forget, I became a Protestant and returned to the RCC. There are thousands of "supposed" claims about the RCC and I have investigated many over the course of 20 years, nonetheless they do not undermine RCC doctrine.

If you were interested in the truth you wouldn't ignore the fact that your sources are refuted but question the sources given the diabolical nature of promoting half truths. Yet you continue.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 12:58 PM
Conspicuously the first claim has no reference that can be verified.

At any rate let's say a Catholic, even a religious, makes a false claim about Catholic doctrine this still does nothing to detract from the actual doctrine.

After all, if a person from your denomination makes a false claim about the denomination's beliefs it would not be logical to assume that said beliefs are false based on a simple declaration if there is more definitive evidence of the denominations true doctrine.

Such is the case with the RCC, our doctrine and beliefs are there for everyone to investigate themselves.
Here is a good place for your search: http://www.catholic-library.org.uk/

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 01:03 PM
This is England:

Revelation 13:2
The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 01:06 PM
You forget, I became a Protestant and returned to the RCC. There are thousands of "supposed" claims about the RCC and I have investigated many over the course of 20 years, nonetheless they do not undermine RCC doctrine.

If you were interested in the truth you wouldn't ignore the fact that your sources are refuted but question the sources given the diabolical nature of promoting half truths. Yet you continue.

Again and again and again, I ask you to be SPECIFIC about pointing out any error.

Sancocho
July 24th, 2015, 01:10 PM
Again and again and again, I ask you to be SPECIFIC about pointing out any error.

Your first claim, which I already stated.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 01:34 PM
Your first claim, which I already stated.

OK then. You do not believe the Pope sits between two Cherubim.

CherubRam
July 24th, 2015, 01:36 PM
Pope Enthroned Between Cherubim,
Showing himself that he is God: http://www.biblelight.net/pope-throne.htm

This link has been checked. Stop changing my links.


From the Catholic National, July of 1895: "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh."

Joseph Devarbe's Catechism says, on page 279: "The priest does really and truly forgive sins in virtue of the power given to him by Christ."

Another from The Catholic Priest, pages 78,79: "Seek where you will, through heaven and earth, and you will find but one created being who can forgive the sinner, who can free him from the chains of hell, that extraordinary being is the priest, the (Roman) Catholic priest. Yes, beloved brethren, the priest not only declares that the sinner is forgiven, but he really forgives him. The priest raises his hand, he pronounces the word of absolution, and in an instant, quick as a flash of light the chains of hell are burst asunder, and the sinner becomes a child of God. So great is the power of the priest that the judgements of heaven itself are subject to his decision."


In ancient Europe, including Italy, a moon goddess was worshiped before the advent of Christianity. This goddess was often seen standing on a crescent moon. After Catholicism became a state religion in Italy, the moon goddess was replaced by the Virgin Mary, who is often depicted standing on a moon.

Revelation 12:1
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/albums?view=album&code=SunRaysandHalos#_


The Catholic Priest Really Has the Power to Forgive Sins. http://revelationchronicles.org/Handouts/catholicpriest.pdf


America is this beast:

Revelation 13:11
[ The Beast out of the Earth ] Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.


Here is a small example of the Catholic Church: http://biblelight.net/666.htm

http://biblelight.net/vatican.htm


Here is a good place for your search: http://www.catholic-library.org.uk/


This is England:

Revelation 13:2
The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

Recap.

Sancocho
July 24th, 2015, 01:43 PM
OK then. You do not believe the Pope sits between two Cherubim.

Please post whatever reference you want.

CherubRam
July 25th, 2015, 03:23 AM
Pope Enthroned Between Cherubim,
Showing himself that he is God: http://www.biblelight.net/pope-throne.htm

This link has been checked. Stop changing my links.

Pope on throne between cherubim
Isaiah 37:16
O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwells between the cherubim's, you are God, even you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: you have made the heavens and earth.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who in opposition exalts himself above all that is called God's, or that is worshipped; so that he like God sits in a temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

CherubRam
July 25th, 2015, 10:57 AM
Pope Enthroned Between Cherubim,
Showing himself that he is God: http://www.biblelight.net/pope-throne.htm

This link has been checked. Stop changing my links.


Pope on throne between cherubim
Isaiah 37:16
O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwells between the cherubim's, you are God, even you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: you have made the heavens and earth.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who in opposition exalts himself above all that is called God's, or that is worshipped; so that he like God sits in a temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

What did you think about the above link and these verses here below?

CherubRam
July 25th, 2015, 11:01 AM
Does the Pope hold the key to Heaven? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_coats_of_arms

Cruciform
July 25th, 2015, 11:53 AM
Pope Enthroned Between Cherubim

:darwinsm:

RevTestament
July 25th, 2015, 12:53 PM
America is this beast:

Revelation 13:11
[ The Beast out of the Earth ] Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.Yep, I was about to congratulate you until you said this:


This is England:

Revelation 13:2
The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.
Nope. Notice the leopard is the kingdom of Greece from Daniel 7. The bear is the kingdom of Media-Persian from Daniel 7. The lion is the kingdom of Babylon from Daniel 7. Rome defeated these areas and became the first beast of Revelation. This is why the great harlot rides upon this beast. This is why she ruled over the kings of the earth. England doesn't have the 7 mountains, didn't conquer these other kingdoms, and simply does not work in the prophecy at all. The "Holy Roman Empire" fits the prophecy quite well.

But notice the second beast rises out of the wilderness where the woman was forced into "hiding" for 1260 years. So this beast is the one that sets up the great and terrible image of the beast. It is coming. And this image will persecute the saints, and they shall even be beheaded like the saints before them.

RevTestament
July 25th, 2015, 12:54 PM
Does the Pope hold the key to Heaven?
Nope, he holds the keys to "purgatory."

CherubRam
July 25th, 2015, 01:46 PM
Yep, I was about to congratulate you until you said this:


Nope. Notice the leopard is the kingdom of Greece from Daniel 7. The bear is the kingdom of Media-Persian from Daniel 7. The lion is the kingdom of Babylon from Daniel 7. Rome defeated these areas and became the first beast of Revelation. This is why the great harlot rides upon this beast. This is why she ruled over the kings of the earth. England doesn't have the 7 mountains, didn't conquer these other kingdoms, and simply does not work in the prophecy at all. The "Holy Roman Empire" fits the prophecy quite well.

But notice the second beast rises out of the wilderness where the woman was forced into "hiding" for 1260 years. So this beast is the one that sets up the great and terrible image of the beast. It is coming. And this image will persecute the saints, and they shall even be beheaded like the saints before them.
This is England:

Revelation 13:2
The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.
http://www.lcb.ac.uk/images/news/620px-Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg[1].png http://www.lcb.ac.uk/images/news/620px-Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg[1].png

Sancocho
July 25th, 2015, 05:44 PM
Conveniently Protestants clearly ignore the fact that no other country in the world promotes child sacrifice, godless education, homosexual indoctrination of children, homosexual marriage and PORNOGRAPHY MORE than the US. This is why the US homicide rate is that of a nation at war.

On the contrary most Catholic nations do not allow these offenses to God. Throw in the fact that there are probably a million Christian denominations in the US and can there really be any doubt??

Conspicuously Jesus Christ the Son of God did not say we could recognize fellow believers by their ability to quote scripture, but by their FRUITS. America your fruits are rotten and the Roman Catholic Church opposes your godless ways!

CherubRam
July 25th, 2015, 06:43 PM
Conveniently Protestants clearly ignore the fact that no other country in the world promotes child sacrifice, godless education, homosexual indoctrination of children, homosexual marriage and PORNOGRAPHY MORE than the US. This is why the US homicide rate is that of a nation at war.

On the contrary most Catholic nations do not allow these offenses to God. Throw in the fact that there are probably a million Christian denominations in the US and can there really be any doubt??

Conspicuously Jesus Christ the Son of God did not say we could recognize fellow believers by their ability to quote scripture, but by their FRUITS. America your fruits are rotten and the Roman Catholic Church opposes your godless ways!

America is this beast:

Revelation 13:11
[ The Beast out of the Earth ] Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.

Sancocho
July 25th, 2015, 07:29 PM
America is this beast:

Revelation 13:11
[ The Beast out of the Earth ] Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.

What other countries promotes prostitution more than the US??

popsthebuilder
July 25th, 2015, 07:33 PM
Catholicism seems to be the root divider of faithful men. This is not a coincidence. The beast is the rcc. The second beast is indeed America with its atheists and divisions of Catholicism or Christianity.

Sancocho
July 25th, 2015, 08:28 PM
Catholicism seems to be the root divider of faithful men. This is not a coincidence. The beast is the rcc. The second beast is indeed America with its atheists and divisions of Catholicism or Christianity.

Jesus tells us to look at their fruits. Catholic countries have the least incidence of homicide in the world and do not promote homosexuality.

CherubRam
July 25th, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jesus tells us to look at their fruits. Catholic countries have the least incidence of homicide in the world and do not promote homosexuality.

Here are some Catholic countries: Honduras has the world’s highest homicide rate at 90.4 murders per 100,000 people. Venezuela is next with 53.7. Belize, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Jamaica all have rates around 40.

The 10 most gay-friendly countries in the world: Spain: 88%, Germany: 87%, Canada: 80%, Czech Republic: 80%, Australia: 79%, France: 77%, Britain: 76%, Argentina: 74%, Italy: 74%, Philippines: 73%.

CherubRam
July 25th, 2015, 10:32 PM
Catholicism seems to be the root divider of faithful men. This is not a coincidence. The beast is the rcc. The second beast is indeed America with its atheists and divisions of Catholicism or Christianity.

That is correct, Catholicism is the main root for the division in Christianity. If it wasn't for them we would basically be united as one flock. But through their tampering's with scriptures, and the murder of the original Christians, we are very much divided.

CherubRam
July 25th, 2015, 10:36 PM
What other countries promotes prostitution more than the US??

Here are the ten countries with the most sex workers per 10,000 people

10. Thailand: 45 sex workers per 10,000



9. Germany: 49 sex workers per 10,000



8. Malaysia: 52 sex workers per 10,000



7. Brazil: 53 sex workers per 10,000



6. China: 60 sex workers per 10,000



5. Nigeria: 63 sex workers per 10,000



4. Philippines: 85 sex workers per 10,000



3. Peru: 102 sex workers per 10,000



2. South Korea: 110 sex workers per 10,000



1. Venezuela: 119 sex workers per 10,000

Sancocho
July 25th, 2015, 10:55 PM
Here are some Catholic countries: Honduras has the world’s highest homicide rate at 90.4 murders per 100,000 people. Venezuela is next with 53.7. Belize, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Jamaica all have rates around 40.

The 10 most gay-friendly countries in the world: Spain: 88%, Germany: 87%, Canada: 80%, Czech Republic: 80%, Australia: 79%, France: 77%, Britain: 76%, Argentina: 74%, Italy: 74%, Philippines: 73%.

You forgot abortion homicide.

Italy is just one Catholic country of many and is not representative.

Sancocho
July 25th, 2015, 10:56 PM
Here are the ten countries with the most sex workers per 10,000 people

10. Thailand: 45 sex workers per 10,000



9. Germany: 49 sex workers per 10,000



8. Malaysia: 52 sex workers per 10,000



7. Brazil: 53 sex workers per 10,000



6. China: 60 sex workers per 10,000



5. Nigeria: 63 sex workers per 10,000



4. Philippines: 85 sex workers per 10,000



3. Peru: 102 sex workers per 10,000



2. South Korea: 110 sex workers per 10,000



1. Venezuela: 119 sex workers per 10,000

What about the US media industry that promotes prostitution?

Sancocho
July 25th, 2015, 10:57 PM
That is correct, Catholicism is the main root for the division in Christianity. If it wasn't for them we would basically be united as one flock. But through their tampering's with scriptures, and the murder of the original Christians, we are very much divided.

You have no references to back up this claim of course.

CherubRam
July 26th, 2015, 12:10 AM
You have no references to back up this claim of course.
If you want to see some Catholic corruptions of bible text, get yourself a KJV NIV study bible.
Inquisition: an ecclesiastical tribunal established by Pope Gregory IX circa 1232 for the suppression of heresy. It was active chiefly in northern Italy and southern France, becoming notorious for the use of torture. In 1542 the papal Inquisition was re-established to combat Protestantism, eventually becoming an organ of papal government.

CherubRam
July 26th, 2015, 12:13 AM
You forgot abortion homicide.

Italy is just one Catholic country of many and is not representative.
The Top 5 Countries with the Highest Total Number of Abortions.
1 China 7,930,000 26.1 per 1,000 women
2 Russian Federation 2,287,300 68.4 per 1,000 women
3 Vietnam 1,520,000 83.3 per 1,000 women
4 United States 1,365,700 22.9 per 1,000 women
5 Ukraine 635,600 57.2 per 1,000 women

CherubRam
July 26th, 2015, 12:17 AM
What about the US media industry that promotes prostitution?

You are ill advised.

popsthebuilder
July 26th, 2015, 06:00 AM
What about the US media industry that promotes prostitution?
Current bought media is paid for with the souls who implement the misdirection.

Change is coming. It will be undeniable.

Sancocho
July 26th, 2015, 09:38 AM
The Top 5 Countries with the Highest Total Number of Abortions.
1 China 7,930,000 26.1 per 1,000 women
2 Russian Federation 2,287,300 68.4 per 1,000 women
3 Vietnam 1,520,000 83.3 per 1,000 women
4 United States 1,365,700 22.9 per 1,000 women
5 Ukraine 635,600 57.2 per 1,000 women

No one promotes abortion around the world more than the US and it's patsy the UN. They have for a long time since the Democrats made it a party platform in the 70's.

Sancocho
July 26th, 2015, 09:39 AM
You are ill advised.

I won't take your word for anything, references please.