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CherubRam
July 14th, 2015, 01:09 AM
God is not a man

God is not a man: In Numbers 23:16; "God is not a man..." defies the possibility that Yahshua The Messiah is God. The text states that: Yahwah is not an ("iys / man) that He should lie, nor the son of (Adam / Man")...

Malachi 3:6
I (the LORD / Yahwah) do not change...

Christ came in the flesh.

Hosea 11:9
I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man— the Holy One among you.

Christ was a man.

Psalm 80:17
Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the son of man you have raised up for yourself.

Matthew 26:64
"Yes, it is as you say," Yahshua replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matthew 22:41
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Yahshua asked them, 42"What do you think about the Messiah ? Whose son is he?" "The son of David," they replied. 43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'lord'? For he says, 44" ('The Lord / Yahwah) said to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." 45If then David calls him 'lord,' how can he be his son?"



Matthew 1:1
[ The Genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah ] This is the genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 1:20
But after he had considered this, an (angel/ messenger) of (the Lord / Yahwah) appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:27
to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David.

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

John 13:16
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

John 14:28
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
That word "equal" could be translated in other words, such as, "equated," or "counted," or "equality." And the word robbery can translate as obtainable. If Yahshua states that "The Father is greater than I" and refers to his Father in prayer as "You, the only true God," in (John 17:3.) It's kind of obvious that he's not equal to the one who sent him. "God exalted him," he did not exalt himself !

Here is an alternate reading of Philippians 2:6. Who being in the form of God did not think equality with God as obtainable.

God is the name of no one because it is a title. There are many gods, real, or imagined. Scholars insert the article "a" whenever they think it should apply. God, or, a god. All of the sons of God are gods because they have life immortal. Yahshua said he was a son of God, so therefore he was a god. Nowhere in scripture does Yahshua ever say he is the Father or Holy Spirit, whom the Father is the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit also being a name title and not a personal name. Yahwah informs us of only one personal name for Himself, and that name is Yahwah.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you. That is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

keypurr
August 6th, 2015, 08:36 PM
They do not wish to read your message. Does that surprise you?

Caino
August 6th, 2015, 08:45 PM
God is not a man

God is not a man: In Numbers 23:16; "God is not a man..." defies the possibility that Yahshua The Messiah is God. The text states that: Yahwah is not an ("iys / man) that He should lie, nor the son of (Adam / Man")...

Malachi 3:6
I (the LORD / Yahwah) do not change...

Christ came in the flesh.

Hosea 11:9
I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man— the Holy One among you.

Christ was a man.

Psalm 80:17
Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the son of man you have raised up for yourself.

Matthew 26:64
"Yes, it is as you say," Yahshua replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Matthew 22:41
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Yahshua asked them, 42"What do you think about the Messiah ? Whose son is he?" "The son of David," they replied. 43He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'lord'? For he says, 44" ('The Lord / Yahwah) said to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." 45If then David calls him 'lord,' how can he be his son?"



Matthew 1:1
[ The Genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah ] This is the genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 1:20
But after he had considered this, an (angel/ messenger) of (the Lord / Yahwah) appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:27
to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David.

John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

John 13:16
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

John 14:28
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
That word "equal" could be translated in other words, such as, "equated," or "counted," or "equality." And the word robbery can translate as obtainable. If Yahshua states that "The Father is greater than I" and refers to his Father in prayer as "You, the only true God," in (John 17:3.) It's kind of obvious that he's not equal to the one who sent him. "God exalted him," he did not exalt himself !

Here is an alternate reading of Philippians 2:6. Who being in the form of God did not think equality with God as obtainable.

God is the name of no one because it is a title. There are many gods, real, or imagined. Scholars insert the article "a" whenever they think it should apply. God, or, a god. All of the sons of God are gods because they have life immortal. Yahshua said he was a son of God, so therefore he was a god. Nowhere in scripture does Yahshua ever say he is the Father or Holy Spirit, whom the Father is the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit also being a name title and not a personal name. Yahwah informs us of only one personal name for Himself, and that name is Yahwah.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you. That is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

The Son of God came down from the right hand of God and became God and man combined. He returned to his rightful place but now as soveigne Lord and God.

God the Son is our creator, the Father is his creator.

Pierac
August 6th, 2015, 08:59 PM
Shema Yisrael! Hear, O Israel!

Deu 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!

This is one of the very first Bible verse that most Jewish boys and girls learn. It binds the Jewish life and community together. Every devout Jew recited it daily and even utter the Shema when dying. This is the one belief that distinguished Israel from all the surrounding nations that had multiple gods. “The Lord is one Lord” is thus Israel's classic statement of monotheism,
Judaism's highest confession of Faith. It speaks of Yahweh's uniqueness and exclusiveness, that he is one single integral person, not divisible.

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible tells us that there are two valid ways of interpreting the Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4. It is possible to translate, "Yahweh, our God, is one Yahweh"- in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh can not be divided into several Yahweh manifestations (poly-Yahwism), like the Baals of different sanctuaries [or we might add the Trinity of later Nicene Christianity]. Or we may translate: "Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone"- in which case the Shema affirms that Yahweh is the only and the unique God [You will see that Jesus affirmed this creed and John 17:3].

Both of these nuances are given in other Old Testament passages. The person of God is indivisible and he has no other in His class for He is alone and unique. He is a single divine individual.

Deu 4:35 "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him….39 "Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.

Deu 32:39 'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

The New Testament clearly states Jesus has a God and Father, both before and after his resurrection. We know the Bible does not contradict.

OLD TESTAMENT MESSIANIC PROPHESIES
Psalm 89:26-28 - "He (the Messiah) shall say of me. "You are my father, my God, my rock, my savior". And I will make him the firstborn."

Micah 5:3-4 - "He (the Messiah) shall stand firm and shepherd his flock by the strength of the LORD, in the Majestic name of the LORD, his God."

Psalm 22:10-11 - "To you I was committed at birth. From my mother’s (Mary) womb you are my God."


Mar 12:28 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?" 29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;


:Poly::sherlock:
Paul

Pierac
August 6th, 2015, 09:11 PM
The Son of God came down from the right hand of God and became God and man combined. He returned to his rightful place but now as soveigne Lord and God.

God the Son is our creator, the Father is his creator.

You should listen to Jesus...

Mat 19:4 He answered, "Have you not read that he (God) who created them from the beginning made them male and female,


Mar 13:19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

Jesus is talking about his God in these verses...

Pay attention... On the authority of Jesus himself we know that the categories of "flesh" and "spirit" are never to be confused or intermingled, though the course of God's Spirit can impact our world. Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6). And "God is Spirit."

The doctrine of the incarnation confuses these categories. What God has separated man has joined together! One of the charges that the apostle Paul levels at simple man is that we have "exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man" (Romans 1:23). Has it ever dawned on you as you post to how the glorious Creator made Himself into a man that you could be guilty of this very same thing? The doctrine of the incarnation has reduced the incorruptible God to our own corruptible image. We are made in God's image, not the other way around.

:Poly::sherlock:
Paul

keypurr
August 6th, 2015, 09:55 PM
The Son of God came down from the right hand of God and became God and man combined. He returned to his rightful place but now as soveigne Lord and God.

God the Son is our creator, the Father is his creator.

God created everything THROUGH his son, God is the creator.

OCTOBER23
August 6th, 2015, 10:29 PM
GOD WAS NOT A MAN IN THOSE DAYS BUT BECAME A MAN TO HELP US

OVERCOME SIN BY GIVING US A PIECE OF HIS MIND.

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.

Amen , so be it. Come lord JESUS.

Pierac
August 6th, 2015, 11:03 PM
GOD WAS NOT A MAN IN THOSE DAYS BUT BECAME A MAN TO HELP US

OVERCOME SIN BY GIVING US A PIECE OF HIS MIND.

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.

Amen , so be it. Come lord JESUS.


You should listen to Jesus...

Mat 19:4 He answered, "Have you not read that he (God) who created them from the beginning made them male and female,


Mar 13:19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

Jesus is talking about his God in these verses...

Pay attention... On the authority of Jesus himself we know that the categories of "flesh" and "spirit" are never to be confused or intermingled, though the course of God's Spirit can impact our world. Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6). And "God is Spirit."

The doctrine of the incarnation confuses these categories. What God has separated man has joined together! One of the charges that the apostle Paul levels at simple man is that we have "exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man" (Romans 1:23). Has it ever dawned on you as you post to how the glorious Creator made Himself into a man that you could be guilty of this very same thing? The doctrine of the incarnation has reduced the incorruptible God to our own corruptible image. We are made in God's image, not the other way around.

:Poly::sherlock:
Paul

chair
August 7th, 2015, 12:05 AM
The logical gymnastics that Trinity believers try never ceases to amaze me. Perhaps others should show them at least grudging admiration for the intellectual exercise.

CherubRam
August 7th, 2015, 12:57 AM
They do not wish to read your message. Does that surprise you?

One thing is certain, you would not want a judge who hears only one side of the story. The truth does not dwell with such persons.

Caino
August 7th, 2015, 08:11 AM
God created everything THROUGH his son, God is the creator.

God delegated creative powers and authority to his divine Son who created our world. It is in that way that one could say the Father created through.....

Caino
August 7th, 2015, 08:14 AM
You should listen to Jesus...

Mat 19:4 He answered, "Have you not read that he (God) who created them from the beginning made them male and female,


Mar 13:19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

Jesus is talking about his God in these verses...

Pay attention... On the authority of Jesus himself we know that the categories of "flesh" and "spirit" are never to be confused or intermingled, though the course of God's Spirit can impact our world. Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6). And "God is Spirit."

The doctrine of the incarnation confuses these categories. What God has separated man has joined together! One of the charges that the apostle Paul levels at simple man is that we have "exchange the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man" (Romans 1:23). Has it ever dawned on you as you post to how the glorious Creator made Himself into a man that you could be guilty of this very same thing? The doctrine of the incarnation has reduced the incorruptible God to our own corruptible image. We are made in God's image, not the other way around.

:Poly::sherlock:
Paul

Voluntarily incarnating as man subject to the will of the Father, Michael, aka Jesus of Nazareth, spoke as a duel origin being. At times he spoke as the Son of Man, subject to the will of the Father, at other times by divine right in the office of the creator Son. That is why one can find scripture to support both positions, man and or God on earth in the person of Jesus.

Robert Pate
August 7th, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jesus Christ is both God and man in one person. He had to be both to save us.

oatmeal
August 7th, 2015, 10:48 AM
The Son of God came down from the right hand of God and became God and man combined. He returned to his rightful place but now as soveigne Lord and God.

God the Son is our creator, the Father is his creator.

So you choose to ignore the plain statements in those scripture?

How sad.

oatmeal
August 7th, 2015, 10:51 AM
God delegated creative powers and authority to his divine Son who created our world. It is in that way that one could say the Father created through.....

If Jesus is God, then he would already have all power, it would not have to have it given to him.

God always had His power and authority, if He wishes to share a bit of that with men, that is His choice.

He has shared some of that with believers. I John 4:13

He gave to us of His spirit.

oatmeal
August 7th, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jesus Christ is both God and man in one person. He had to be both to save us.

Please be as thorough on this subject as you have clearly demonstrated on other subjects.

Romans 5:15-19

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Please be as thorough on this subject as you are on other subjects

Caino
August 7th, 2015, 12:48 PM
If Jesus is God, then he would already have all power, it would not have to have it given to him.

God always had His power and authority, if He wishes to share a bit of that with men, that is His choice.

He has shared some of that with believers. I John 4:13

He gave to us of His spirit.

That would be a good point Oatmeal, but God the Son was required to incarnate according to the will of the Father, he now has unquestioned sovereignty. Self centered man tends to think about what Jesus did for man and not what Jesus accomplished for himself at the same time.

Bright Raven
August 7th, 2015, 12:57 PM
John 4:25-26 Modern English Version (MEV)

25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”

26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

http://www.davidhocking.org/who-is-the-messiah.php

oatmeal
August 7th, 2015, 03:57 PM
That would be a good point Oatmeal, but God the Son was required to incarnate according to the will of the Father, he now has unquestioned sovereignty. Self centered man tends to think about what Jesus did for man and not what Jesus accomplished for himself at the same time.

Show me where God refers to His son as "God the Son"

then look up how many times Jesus is referred to as son of God.

Jesus is God's son, not God the son.

keypurr
August 7th, 2015, 04:30 PM
John 4:25-26 Modern English Version (MEV)

25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”

26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

http://www.davidhocking.org/who-is-the-messiah.php

The Messiah is not God BR. That is the point.

Caino
August 7th, 2015, 05:08 PM
Show me where God refers to His son as "God the Son"

then look up how many times Jesus is referred to as son of God.

Jesus is God's son, not God the son.

The true Identity of the Son incarnate is realized in hindsight after he raises his mortal form from the dead, meets with belivers on a number of occasions, then returned to his rightful place on high as a deity. Christ is now on high with all power and authority.

All of this was a revelation to mankind as it was not a part of the understanding of Judaism.

Grosnick Marowbe
August 7th, 2015, 05:12 PM
The true Identity of the Son incarnate is realized in hindsight after he raises his mortal form from the dead, meets with belivers on a number of occasions, then returned to his rightful place on high as a deity. Christ is now on high with all power and authority.

All of this was a revelation to mankind as it was not a part of the understanding of Judaism.

This coming from a guy who belongs to a "UFO cult." And, he isn't a Christian. Don't trust in anything Caino says. He's a cult member.

oatmeal
August 7th, 2015, 05:24 PM
The true Identity of the Son incarnate is realized in hindsight after he raises his mortal form from the dead, meets with belivers on a number of occasions, then returned to his rightful place on high as a deity. Christ is now on high with all power and authority.

All of this was a revelation to mankind as it was not a part of the understanding of Judaism.

Jesus is the son of God

Do you know what "son"means?

It means male offspring.

Jesus is the male offspring of God.

You know why God calls Jesus son?

Because he is God's male offspring.

He was conceived and born and was raised by his mother and step father. He grew and matured.

Does God need to grow and mature?

Luke 2:52

Who did Jesus grow in favor with? Himself and man?

No, God and man

Think!

Caino
August 7th, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jesus is the son of God

Do you know what "son"means?

It means male offspring.

Jesus is the male offspring of God.

You know why God calls Jesus son?

Because he is God's male offspring.

He was conceived and born and was raised by his mother and step father. He grew and matured.

Does God need to grow and mature?

Luke 2:52

Who did Jesus grow in favor with? Himself and man?

No, God and man

Think!

Jesus grew in the awareness of who he was/is, Luke's human characterization of Jesus growing in wisdom was just his own expression.

You aren't alone in your doubts, and I do appreciate the points anti divinity people make. The apostles also doubted until they saw it with their own eyes.

God the Universal Father has a divine Son who is creator, Lord and God of our world.

Caino
August 7th, 2015, 06:02 PM
This coming from a guy who belongs to a "UFO cult." And, he isn't a Christian. Don't trust in anything Caino says. He's a cult member.

For example, if Grosnick the Troll had a Son he would be Troll the Son. He would say, if you've seen me you have seen the Troll.

keypurr
August 7th, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jesus grew in the awareness of who he was/is, Luke's human characterization of Jesus growing in wisdom was just his own expression.

You aren't alone in your doubts, and I do appreciate the points anti divinity people make. The apostles also doubted until they saw it with their own eyes.

God the Universal Father has a divine Son who is creator, Lord and God of our world.

Who was the son when the Universe was formed?

It was not the man Jesus.

Caino
August 7th, 2015, 06:58 PM
Who was the son when the Universe was formed?

It was not the man Jesus.

Good question and point. The Universal Father and his geographical location, eternal paradise, have always existed. His divine Son is a creation of the Father. The Son is the creator of our local universe. The Father delegates powers and authority in his Son who in turn grants authority and powers to his subordinates such as Satan who betrayed his trust and mislead the whole world.

Caino
August 7th, 2015, 07:34 PM
The big problem with reducing the Son to fully human is that we are left with a 30 year old temporary man God on high. That doesn't work.

keypurr
August 8th, 2015, 10:08 AM
Good question and point. The Universal Father and his geographical location, eternal paradise, have always existed. His divine Son is a creation of the Father. The Son is the creator of our local universe. The Father delegates powers and authority in his Son who in turn grants authority and powers to his subordinates such as Satan who betrayed his trust and mislead the whole world.


You see some light friend. His son is the express image in Heb 1:3, a spirit like God himself. And God was pleased that he had his fullness. In other words, God created his son as a godlike creature. The first creation, the first creature. And then God created everything else through this son.

keypurr
August 8th, 2015, 10:11 AM
The big problem with reducing the Son to fully human is that we are left with a 30 year old temporary man God on high. That doesn't work.


It is not a problem to see that God sent his spirit son to become human to die for us. That is exactly what happened, Christ entered Jesus and spoke through him. Then he went to the cross with him, being a created form of God, he could die for us to please his Father.

Caino
August 8th, 2015, 12:35 PM
It is not a problem to see that God sent his spirit son to become human to die for us. That is exactly what happened, Christ entered Jesus and spoke through him. Then he went to the cross with him, being a created form of God, he could die for us to please his Father.

But the Son is a divine personality distinct from the Father. He has mind and will just like man has. He is God also.

Grosnick Marowbe
August 8th, 2015, 12:42 PM
It is not a problem to see that God sent his spirit son to become human to die for us. That is exactly what happened, Christ entered Jesus and spoke through him. Then he went to the cross with him, being a created form of God, he could die for us to please his Father.

Your "Theory" must be dismissed by true Bible believers. You
do realize that, don't you?

Grosnick Marowbe
August 8th, 2015, 12:43 PM
But the Son is a divine personality distinct from the Father. He has mind and will just like man has. He is God also.

You're a Urantia book believer. So, why do you bother?

patrick jane
August 8th, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jesus Christ was always, and always will be the Son of God. He IS One with God the Father. debating whether Jesus is God is fruitless. it doesn't change anything on earth or in heaven and it doesn't change God's Word -

Grosnick Marowbe
August 8th, 2015, 12:48 PM
You see some light friend. His son is the express image in Heb 1:3, a spirit like God himself. And God was pleased that he had his fullness. In other words, God created his son as a godlike creature. The first creation, the first creature. And then God created everything else through this son.

Perhaps you should consider becoming a "Urantian?" You could
travel the universe in your UFO and share your theories?

Grosnick Marowbe
August 8th, 2015, 12:52 PM
This is obviously another "Cult" thread!

oatmeal
August 8th, 2015, 12:54 PM
The true Identity of the Son incarnate is realized in hindsight after he raises his mortal form from the dead, meets with belivers on a number of occasions, then returned to his rightful place on high as a deity. Christ is now on high with all power and authority.

All of this was a revelation to mankind as it was not a part of the understanding of Judaism.

So then he was God, then he wasn't, then he was again?

Interesting.

oatmeal
August 8th, 2015, 12:58 PM
This is obviously another "Cult" thread!

You should then show how this thread is scripturally unsound.

Then you would have actually contributed something besides unfounded opinion.

But if your track record remains true to form, we would not expect you to humble yourself to actually sharing scripture with anyone.

Acts 17:2

God is not a man that He should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent.

Caino
August 8th, 2015, 01:21 PM
So then he was God, then he wasn't, then he was again?

Interesting.

He was God the Son, then he was God the Son incarnate in man as both human and divine, he is still and forever both human and divine.

Caino
August 8th, 2015, 02:09 PM
You're a Urantia book believer. So, why do you bother?

Because I have more knowledge about theses things than you do.

Paul reminds me of the creator of Scientology L. Ron Hubard who wrote his new religion in secret.

keypurr
August 8th, 2015, 07:26 PM
But the Son is a divine personality distinct from the Father. He has mind and will just like man has. He is God also.

The the is the express image of God in every way. He loved his Father enough to obey him. The son is a form of God, not God. Phil 2 tell you that. The son is a created spiritual being. He is not God. He is the son of God that became the Lamb of God. That is why God made him Lord.

keypurr
August 8th, 2015, 07:29 PM
Your "Theory" must be dismissed by true Bible believers. You
do realize that, don't you?

I am a true Bible believer, if I am wrong, show me.

God created his exact image, a spiritual son with whom he used to create everything else. Why do you not see that GM? Are you closing your eyes to words you do not wish to see?

keypurr
August 8th, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jesus Christ was always, and always will be the Son of God. He IS One with God the Father. debating whether Jesus is God is fruitless. it doesn't change anything on earth or in heaven and it doesn't change God's Word -

Jesus Christ is a creation therfore has a beginning.

To call Jesus Christ God breaks the Commandments of the most high God. Jesus told us that only his Father is the true God.

It matters to God that we worship him only.

keypurr
August 8th, 2015, 07:36 PM
He was God the Son, then he was God the Son incarnate in man as both human and divine, he is still and forever both human and divine.

There is no God the Son, God did not come to us, he sent his son.

Caino
August 8th, 2015, 07:38 PM
The the is the express image of God in every way. He loved his Father enough to obey him. The son is a form of God, not God. Phil 2 tell you that. The son is a created spiritual being. He is not God. He is the son of God that became the Lamb of God. That is why God made him Lord.

I belive the Son of God is to all intents and purposes a God. If it's the term "God" that you have difficulty with there is nothing we can do about that.

jamie
August 9th, 2015, 07:13 AM
The word "God" is a generic term the meaning of which must be established by the context in which the word is used.

There can't be a most high God unless there is also a less high God since "most high" is a comparative term.

Caino
August 9th, 2015, 07:31 AM
GOD is simply a word symbol designating all personalization's of deity.

keypurr
August 10th, 2015, 08:43 PM
GOD is simply a word symbol designating all personalization's of deity.

We found something to agree on friend.

God has a name, folks are afraid to use it. I wonder if we used it more they might see better what we try to share.