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Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 09:10 AM
# 1. To deny that Jesus is the savior of the whole world is to deny the Gospel, 1 John 2:2. The key to understanding the Gospel is to believe that Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15 and in doing so has reconciled the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.

#2. Predestination is a denial of the Gospel. If one has been predestinated then they don't really need Christ or his Gospel. Predestination according to some is a declaration from God that "Some Certain Persons" are saved. If you have been declared to be saved then you don't need Christ or his Gospel.

#3. To say that works, baptism, repentance or anything else that one might do merits salvation is a denial of the Gospel, Romans 3:20. Any religious thing that one does is a work of the law. "By the works of the law no one will be justified in his sight".

#4. To say that one is justified by keeping the commandments is a denial of the Gospel. The Bible teaches that all men are sinners, even saved men, Romans 3:10, "There is NONE righteous, no, not one. All fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23.

#5. To say that men are justified some other way than by the doing and the dying of Jesus is a denial of the Gospel. Jesus is our reconciler, "To declare at this time his righteousness: that he might be just and the justifier of him that believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26. Jesus and Jesus alone is the reconciler and justifier of lost sinners.

To deny the Gospel is to deny that one has faith in Christ and his Gospel. Without faith in Christ and his Gospel no one will be saved. Paul said, "The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation" Romans 1:16. No Gospel, means no salvation. The Gospel makes it possible for us to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law, Galatians 3:10.

Jamie Gigliotti
July 8th, 2015, 11:34 AM
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to His own flesh, will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit Will from the Spirit reap eternal life." Galatians 6:7-8

No one is reconciled to God, forgiven and made clean a vessel fit to house God's presence other than by the gift and Grace and blood of the most precious lamb. This gift is to be cherished, and sown to. Man has responsibility to not mock the precious blood of the lamb.

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 11:52 AM
5 Ways to Deny the Gospel

One way is to deny the Truths of TULIP !

Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 01:26 PM
One way is to deny the Truths of TULIP !

There is no greater denial of the Gospel of Jesus Christ than TULIP.

Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 01:27 PM
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to His own flesh, will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit Will from the Spirit reap eternal life." Galatians 6:7-8

No one is reconciled to God, forgiven and made clean a vessel fit to house God's presence other than by the gift and Grace and blood of the most precious lamb. This gift is to be cherished, and sown to. Man has responsibility to not mock the precious blood of the lamb.

AMEN!

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 01:30 PM
There is no greater denial of the Gospel of Jesus Christ than TULIP.

TUlip is the Gospel of Gods Grace in Christ!

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 01:33 PM
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to His own flesh, will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit Will from the Spirit reap eternal life." Galatians 6:7-8

No one is reconciled to God, forgiven and made clean a vessel fit to house God's presence other than by the gift and Grace and blood of the most precious lamb. This gift is to be cherished, and sown to. Man has responsibility to not mock the precious blood of the lamb.

False teaching, Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !

Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 01:35 PM
TUlip is the Gospel of Gods Grace in Christ!


TULIP is the devils lie. It does not cause one to have faith in Christ.

God is not going to run you around his Son Jesus Christ. This is why you are not a Christian.

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 01:37 PM
TULIP is the devils lie. It does not cause one to have faith in Christ.

God is not going to run you around his Son Jesus Christ. This is why you are not a Christian.
You calling Gods Truth the devil's lie! That's pitiful!

Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 01:38 PM
False teaching, Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !


And Christ died for the sins of the whole world.

"That he by the grace of God should taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9.

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 01:39 PM
TUlip is the Gospel of Gods Grace in Christ!

Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 01:39 PM
You calling Gods Truth the devil's lie! That's pitiful!

TULIP is not Gods truth, blind one.

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 01:40 PM
TUlip is the Gospel of Gods Grace in Christ!
Ukjk

TUlip is the Gospel of Gods Grace in Christ!

musterion
July 8th, 2015, 01:43 PM
Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !

Yep, and that reconciliation is offered to any and all in the whole world who will but believe the Gospel of grace, not the demonic farce that is TULIP.

Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 01:45 PM
Ukjk

You are a thread killer.

Get off of my post devil.

Cruciform
July 8th, 2015, 01:46 PM
ANY religious thing that one does is a work of the law.
The fatal flaw of Pate's false "gospel," as has already been decidedly demonstrated here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4352960&postcount=58).

End of thread.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 01:55 PM
The fatal flaw of Pate's false "gospel," as has already been decidedly demonstrated here (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4352960&postcount=58).

End of thread.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+


Catholics don't deny the Gospel, they just don't believe that it exist.

So they are busy, busy, busy, trying to re-habilitate their old Adamic nature that was crucified with Christ, Romans 6:6.

It is like trying to breath new life into a corpse.

Cruciform
July 8th, 2015, 02:07 PM
Catholics don't deny the Gospel, they just don't believe that it exist. So they are busy, busy, busy, trying to re-habilitate their old Adamic nature that was crucified with Christ, Romans 6:6. It is like trying to breath new life into a corpse.
You have already been categorically refuted in Post #16 above.

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 02:11 PM
And Christ died for the sins of the whole world.

"That he by the grace of God should taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9.

Those Christ lived and died for have kept all Gods Commandments by Him and shall enter into Eternal life as promised Matt 19:17 !

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 02:13 PM
Yep, and that reconciliation is offered to any and all in the whole world who will but believe the Gospel of grace, not the demonic farce that is TULIP.

False teaching and invalid comments!

Robert Pate
July 8th, 2015, 02:34 PM
You have already been categorically refuted in Post #16 above.


I don't consider the Catholic church to be an authority.

There is nothing in the bible about a church in Rome that you believe is an authority.

Cruciform
July 8th, 2015, 02:56 PM
I don't consider the Catholic Church to be an authority.
I don't consider Pate's preferred interpretations of the Bible to be an authority.


There is nothing in the bible about a Church in Rome that you believe is an authority.
Back to Post #16 above.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

Bright Raven
July 8th, 2015, 02:58 PM
One way is to deny the Truths of TULIP !

:loser:

beloved57
July 8th, 2015, 02:59 PM
:loser:

See you at the Judgment!

Bright Raven
July 8th, 2015, 03:01 PM
See you at the Judgment!

More B57 garbage.

Jamie Gigliotti
July 9th, 2015, 08:55 AM
False teaching, Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !

"Therefore, since we are justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1
The "peace" is the reconciliation through faith/trust. That continues into a incomprehensible end with: "sowing to the Spirit" (Galatians 6:8); becoming "slaves to God" (Romans 6:22); living "according to the Spirit" (Romans 8:5); and abiding in Christ (John 15:4).
We have responsibility; we take no credit. It is all by Him, His power, His love, His grace, His sacrifice, His blood, His mercy, His Spirit.

He is not a Robot Maker. He will not be mocked.

Robert Pate
July 9th, 2015, 09:53 AM
"Therefore, since we are justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1
The "peace" is the reconciliation through faith/trust. That continues into a incomprehensible end with: "sowing to the Spirit" (Galatians 6:8); becoming "slaves to God" (Romans 6:22); living "according to the Spirit" (Romans 8:5); and abiding in Christ (John 15:4).
We have responsibility; we take no credit. It is all by Him, His power, His love, His grace, His sacrifice, His blood, His mercy, His Spirit.

He is not a Robot Maker. He will not be mocked.

Sounds to me like true Christianity and full of the Holy Spirit.

beloved57
December 15th, 2015, 01:23 PM
Sounds to me like true Christianity and full of the Holy Spirit.

But you don't believe the Gospel !

False Prophet
December 15th, 2015, 01:53 PM
Because they reject the knowledge of the truth so as to be saved, God sends over them a deluding influence so that they will believe a lie.
9 The Man of Evil will come by the power of Satan. He will have great power, and he will do many different false miracles, signs, and wonders. 10 He will use every kind of evil to trick those who are lost. They will die, because they refused to love the truth. (If they loved the truth, they would be saved.) 11 For this reason God sends them something powerful that leads them away from the truth so they will believe a lie. 2 Thess

KingdomRose
December 15th, 2015, 01:54 PM
Re. post #1.....

I agree.

What is TULIP?

beloved57
December 15th, 2015, 02:09 PM
"Therefore, since we are justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 5:1
The "peace" is the reconciliation through faith/trust. That continues into a incomprehensible end with: "sowing to the Spirit" (Galatians 6:8); becoming "slaves to God" (Romans 6:22); living "according to the Spirit" (Romans 8:5); and abiding in Christ (John 15:4).
We have responsibility; we take no credit. It is all by Him, His power, His love, His grace, His sacrifice, His blood, His mercy, His Spirit.

He is not a Robot Maker. He will not be mocked.

Those Christ died for are reconciled to God before any faith they have, its done while they are enemies Rom 5:10 !

Bright Raven
December 15th, 2015, 02:19 PM
Those Christ died for are reconciled to God before any faith they have, its done while they are enemies Rom 5:10 !

Same old stuff. Different day.

KingdomRose
December 15th, 2015, 02:36 PM
TULIP is not Gods truth, blind one.


Same old stuff. Different day.

Indeed. How can a person be reconciled to God without even having faith? LOL!

(Hey, what's TULIP?)

serpentdove
December 15th, 2015, 02:53 PM
No one is reconciled to God, forgiven and made clean a vessel fit to house God's presence other than by the gift and Grace and blood of the most precious lamb.

2 Ti 2:21

beloved57
December 15th, 2015, 02:55 PM
Indeed. How can a person be reconciled to God without even having faith? LOL!

(Hey, what's TULIP?)

You don't believe Rom 5:10!

serpentdove
December 15th, 2015, 03:00 PM
False teaching, Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies...
You remain his enemy. :dizzy: Jb 29:14

See:

As a reminder is number 19 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) (http://vananne.com/serpentdove/TOL%20Heretics%20List.htm) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:

Robert Pate
December 15th, 2015, 03:05 PM
Indeed. How can a person be reconciled to God without even having faith? LOL!

(Hey, what's TULIP?)

You don't sound like a JW.

serpentdove
December 15th, 2015, 03:11 PM
Because they reject the knowledge of the truth so as to be saved, God sends over them a deluding influence so that they will believe a lie.
9 The Man of Evil will come by the power of Satan. He will have great power, and he will do many different false miracles, signs, and wonders. 10 He will use every kind of evil to trick those who are lost. They will die, because they refused to love the truth. (If they loved the truth, they would be saved.) 11 For this reason God sends them something powerful that leads them away from the truth so they will believe a lie. 2 Thess

No one thinks they can be deceived. :idunno:

Hell is a bottomless pit. Ps 140:10 NET Hard to imagine, they can get even uglier over time (Ro 1:20). :granite:

U.G.L.Y. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAIBmtAoiYU) ~ Stewie, Family Guy