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Squeaky
May 14th, 2015, 05:55 PM
Revoke Your Saved Statis

Matt 18:23-35
23 "Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants.
24 "And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.
25 "But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made.
26 "The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, 'Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.'
27 "Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
28 "But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, 'Pay me what you owe!'
29 "So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, 'Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.'
30 "And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt.
31 "So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done.
32 "Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me.
33 'Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?'
34 "And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 "So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses."
Gal 5:1-15
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.
9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
Titus 1:16
16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
1 Cor 9:27
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
2 Cor 13:5-6
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-- unless indeed you are disqualified.
6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.
John 12:24-25
24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.
25 "He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)
xxx You can be saved and loose it. You can be disqualified. You can fall from grace. You can also fall short of salvation.

I drank what?
May 14th, 2015, 06:04 PM
got any scriptures to back that up?

/lol 1st post!!!

Aimiel
May 14th, 2015, 06:29 PM
Wow... Squeaky and I can finally agree on something! Cool! :thumb:

Yes: anyone can fall from any level.

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Squeaky
May 14th, 2015, 06:39 PM
got any scriptures to back that up?

/lol 1st post!!!

I said
GRACE (FALL FROM))( DISQUALIFIED) (FALL SHORT)
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 11:31
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
John 5:22-23
22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Acts 4:12
12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:11-14
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
Col 2:8
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Heb 10:28-29
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Gal 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Heb 2:1
1 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-- unless indeed you are disqualified.
Rom 3:23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
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xxThere are so many ways that one can be disqualified, and disciples dont know it. A disciple is a student or beginner in Christianity. Now because someone who has fallen from grace or fallen short or been disqualifed doesnt know it them selves. It is easy for them to lead a disciple down the wrong path. When God has turned a person over to a reprobate mind, the person doesnt have the spiritual knowledge to discern it, and they become the blind leading the blind. Also a hypocrite doesnt know he is a hypocrite. The only evidence of any of this is having less verses now than you had a year ago. Because a christians growth, is in their growing in the Spirit, or in the idea that their still teaching the same thing today that they taught a year ago, if their on the same message. Where is their growth? This is the way to check yourself.


Rev 2:5
5 "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place-- unless you repent.
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Luke 13:2-5
2 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?
3 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
4 "Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."
(NKJ)


Heb 10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, my soul has no pleasure in him."
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
(NKJ)

Jude 1:1-7

1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:
2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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Rom 11:19-22
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
May 14th, 2015, 06:39 PM
Wow... Squeaky and I can finally agree on something! Cool! :thumb:

Yes: anyone can fall from any level.

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I said
hey good verse.

Aimiel
May 17th, 2015, 11:56 AM
OSAS is from hell.

patrick jane
May 17th, 2015, 12:11 PM
Reinstated - by Christ Jesus - over all principalities




Ephesians 3:10 KJV - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the Church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 3:11 KJV - According to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Ephesians 3:12 KJV - In whom we have boldness and access by the faith of Him -


see also Ephesisians 3:1-9 KJV - if anyone has time

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 12:47 PM
OSAS is from hell.

I said
Its to bad you didn't take this verse personally. I think it was a warning to you.

1 Cor 10:12
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
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Daniel1611
May 17th, 2015, 12:58 PM
If you don't believe in once saved always saved then you must be trusting your works. If its just by faith, how can you lose it? If you can do something to lose your salvation, then salvation would be of works. And if it be of works, it is no more grace.

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 01:03 PM
If you don't believe in once saved always saved then you must be trusting your works. If its just by faith, how can you lose it? If you can do something to lose your salvation, then salvation would be of works. And if it be of works, it is no more grace.

I said
Do you understand what grace is?
GRACE -UNCILISITED MERCY-NEW TESTAMENT-THE LAW OF CHRIST
Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:16-17
16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Acts 15:11
11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they."
Acts 20:32
32 "So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Rom 1:5-6
5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
Rom 3:24
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
Rom 5:1-2
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:15
15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
Rom 5:17-20
17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
Rom 5:21
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
I Jn 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
(NKJ)
xxxGrace is uncilisted mercy. Grace is a new way thought up by God, we dont deserve it, we have not earned it, we didnt even think of it but God gave it to us-a new way the new testament. God looked down on us and said them dummies arent getting it I have to think of a new way. The new testament is our Grace. Now within the new testament there are commandments. Jesus brought us the new testament, this is how Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Not knowing what the gift of grace was, so many are useing grace as an excuse to sin. Grace is not a way to justify sin, it is a better way to get rid of sin.

John 15:13-14
13 "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
(NKJ)

Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
(NKJ)

John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
(NKJ)

God didnt do away with the idea of what He says is law, He just changed the law. And only for those who have faith in the new law.

Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
(NKJ)


1 Cor 15:9-11
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
(NKJ)

Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
(NKJ)

Titus 2:11-13
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
(NKJ)

Rom 5:16
16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
(NKJ)

Daniel1611
May 17th, 2015, 01:46 PM
Works salvation. Trusting in your filthy rags to earn your way to heaven. That's not the way to go.

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 02:12 PM
Works salvation. Trusting in your filthy rags to earn your way to heaven. That's not the way to go.

I said
Boy do you need to read this.
Faith Works Love (By Themselves they are only principles) But together they are righteousness.

People are trying to make a conclusion out of pieces and parts. It cant be done. Faith alone won't get you to heave. Works alone won't get you to heave. Love alone won't get you to heaven. That is the only conclusion.

1 Cor 13:1-2

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
(NKJ)

James 2:14
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
(NKJ)

James 2:17-18
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
(NKJ)

James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
(NKJ)

James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(NKJ)

Rom 16:26
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
(NKJ)

Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
(NKJ)

Luke 6:32-33
32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
33 "And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
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xxx Some stand on faith and some stand on works and some stand on love. They are all principles, they have to be together. So many on here are argueing just one point or part of a whole. You need to understand. Faith without works or love is dead. Works without faith or love is vanity. Love without faith or works is useless.

Daniel1611
May 17th, 2015, 02:19 PM
So you bluntly deny being saved by grace through faith alone? Thats why I say if you don't believe osas then you probably aren't saved.

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him and follows the commandments and does good works and gets baptized and goes to church and lives a clean life and turns over a new leaf shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Is that what the bible says?!

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 02:22 PM
So you bluntly deny being saved by grace through faith alone? Thats why I say if you don't believe osas then you probably aren't saved.

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him and follows the commandments and does good works and gets baptized and goes to church and lives a clean life and turns over a new leaf shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Is that what the bible says?!

I said
That is not what that says. I am saved by grace. And I work out my salvation through Jesus Christ. You do know that saved and salvation are different I hope.

Daniel1611
May 17th, 2015, 02:35 PM
I said
That is not what that says. I am saved by grace. And I work out my salvation through Jesus Christ. You do know that saved and salvation are different I hope.

I love this argument by works Salvationists that says you're not saved by works but if you don't have works then you aren't saved. Thats saved by works then. If there is one crystal clear and undeniable doctrine its that salvation is by grace through faith alone. Anything else is of the devil.

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 02:52 PM
I love this argument by works Salvationists that says you're not saved by works but if you don't have works then you aren't saved. Thats saved by works then. If there is one crystal clear and undeniable doctrine its that salvation is by grace through faith alone. Anything else is of the devil.

I said
Listen. Saved is a gift. And it is temporary. So that you can work out your salvation. Which is eternal. You really need to go back a couple of posts and read what I said. Works alone will not get you there. Faith alone will not get you there. Both of them together will not get you there. It takes faith, works, and love.

Daniel1611
May 17th, 2015, 02:57 PM
I said
Listen. Saved is a gift. And it is temporary. So that you can work out your salvation. Which is eternal. You really need to go back a couple of posts and read what I said. Works alone will not get you there. Faith alone will not get you there. Both of them together will not get you there. It takes faith, works, and love.

Not what the bible says. Maybe its what the Watchtower says, but not the bible.

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 03:13 PM
Not what the bible says. Maybe its what the Watchtower says, but not the bible.

I said
Its what Jesus Christ says.

SAVED (YOUR SAVED SO YOU CAN WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION)
Jude 1:3-5
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
Heb 9:8-9
8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing.
9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience--
Jude 1:5
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
2 Cor 7:15-16
15 And his affections are greater for you as he remembers the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling you received him.
16 Therefore I rejoice that I have confidence in you in everything.
Titus 2:11-13
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Heb 3:17-19
17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
(NKJ)

Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
(NKJ)

Acts 2:40
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
(NKJ)


SALVATION (BEING ACCEPTED)ETERNAL SAVED (PROTECTED WHILE YOU WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION)TEMPORARY

Heb 5:8-9
8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
Heb 10:19-20
19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,
Luke 1:77
77 To give knowledge of salvation to His people by the remission of their sins,
Heb 6:1
1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 Pet 1:20-2:1
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
CHAPTER 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
2 Pet 2:18
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
2 Pet 1:13
13 Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you,
James 1:22
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
James 2:17
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
II Th 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
Luke 17:20-21
20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation;
21 "nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."
Heb 4:9-10
9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Mark 9:1
1 And He said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power."
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Eph 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Acts 10:34-35
34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.
35 "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
2 Cor 7:15
15 And his affections are greater for you as he remembers the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling you received him.
2 Cor 7:10
10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
Heb 2:3-4
3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?
Jude 1:3
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
Gal 5:4-5
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Eph 1:4-6
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved.
Eph 1:7-12
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence,
9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth-- in Him.
11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
Eph 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Jude 1:2-3
2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
2 Pet 3:14-15
14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;
15 and account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-- as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
(NKJ)
xxxxx Saved and salvation are alittle different. Saved is your saved from the condemnation you deserve right now. So if your alive your saved. But salvation is being accepted or worthy to go to heaven. Now the one thing that makes you worthy is in knowing your not worthy. Confusing- God wants us to know by what power we make it-His. Our works and the things we do show our determination to please Him. And our determination is what gets us so much mercy and forgiveness. And our determination mixed together with His mercy and forgiveness makes us worthy. And one of the requirements is that we know the truth about ourselves that we alone with out Him are not worthy. Once you have worked 0ut your salvation your name is wirtten in the book of life.

Daniel1611
May 17th, 2015, 03:14 PM
Tldr. Make your posts more concise.

Aimiel
May 17th, 2015, 04:22 PM
Saved and salvation are different forms of THE SAME WORD. The only difference being: their tense. If one doesn't understand present tense of a verb and a word that is a noun, they need to go back to the second through fourth grade and take English over again. One cannot have a 'pass' into Heaven. One may be saved by grace, through faith and then turn away from God. Scripture says so.

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 04:37 PM
Tldr. Make your posts more concise.

I said
That is one of the revelations of Jesus Christ. I hope you read the whole thing for your sake. So you can stop spreading heresy.

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 04:40 PM
Saved and salvation are different forms of THE SAME WORD. The only difference being: their tense. If one doesn't understand present tense of a verb and a word that is a noun, they need to go back to the second through fourth grade and take English over again. One cannot have a 'pass' into Heaven. One may be saved by grace, through faith and then turn away from God. Scripture says so.

I said
You turned away from God when you refused to go into the meat understanding. You have been in scripture long enough to have made it to the meat.

Heb 5:12-14
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(NKJ)

Daniel1611
May 17th, 2015, 04:42 PM
Saved and salvation are different forms of THE SAME WORD. The only difference being: their tense. If one doesn't understand present tense of a verb and a word that is a noun, they need to go back to the second through fourth grade and take English over again. One cannot have a 'pass' into Heaven. One may be saved by grace, through faith and then turn away from God. Scripture says so.

So you're saying man can turn from God and lose his salvation which implies that his works have a part in his salvation.

The bible says God will not forsake a man once be is saved. Its called everlasting life. If you lose it, its not everlasting.

Totton Linnet
May 17th, 2015, 04:59 PM
If you don't believe in once saved always saved then you must be trusting your works. If its just by faith, how can you lose it? If you can do something to lose your salvation, then salvation would be of works. And if it be of works, it is no more grace.

Yes, God is not a car salesman, if He says it is a free gift then it is a free gift.

Not by works of righteous....lest squeaky should boast in God's presence.

Totton Linnet
May 17th, 2015, 05:01 PM
....fall from grace does not equate to being damned, a vast number of Christians fall from grace, when squeaky preaches works he has fallen from grace.


We ALL may fall from grace but not so as to be lost.

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 05:44 PM
So you're saying man can turn from God and lose his salvation which implies that his works have a part in his salvation.

The bible says God will not forsake a man once be is saved. Its called everlasting life. If you lose it, its not everlasting.

I said
God gave you the best example there is around for those that God saves. God saved the people out of the land of Egypt. Then He destroyed all those who would not believe. And that is what is going to happen to everyone who doesn't go into the meat understanding.

1 Cor 10:11
11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.
(NKJ)


Jude 1:5
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
May 17th, 2015, 05:46 PM
ABIDING IN THE MILK? NOT GROWING IN VERSES (STAYING CARNAL)

John 8:42-43
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
1 Pet 2:1-2
1 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all guile, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking,
2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby,
Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Matt 24:12-13
12 "And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
II Th 3:13
13 But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
2 Pet 3:18
18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
James 1:21-24
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
Heb 9:8-9
8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing.
9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience--
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Heb 4:1-2
1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Acts 7:51
51 "You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.
2 Tim 3:7
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Col 2:9
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Col 1:19
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
2 Cor 5:5-7
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
Rom 10:8
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
1 Tim 6:12-15
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
(NKJ)
xxx To abide in the milk is to be lukewarm. The milk is 3 to 4 years long. This time is used for reading the verses and putting them into your book of beliefs. This is the time of finding the Holy Spirit within you. When them verses start coming to remembrance is the time to go into the meat. And start crucifing your flesh(feelings & emotions) by obeying the verses. Then if you can obey for 11 years you should come to the revelations of Jesus Christ. Some people abide in the milk understanding their whole life.

Luke 6:46
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
(NKJ)

Matt 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
(NKJ)

1 Cor 15:1-3
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
(KJV)

Squeaky
May 28th, 2015, 03:20 PM
....fall from grace does not equate to being damned, a vast number of Christians fall from grace, when squeaky preaches works he has fallen from grace.


We ALL may fall from grace but not so as to be lost.

I said
lol I don't think you understand. We are saved by grace. If you fall from that grace you are no longer saved by it.

Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
(NKJ)

And we are only saved so that we can work out our salvation.

Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
(NKJ)

Aimiel
May 28th, 2015, 04:13 PM
So you're saying man can turn from God and lose his salvation which implies that his works have a part in his salvation.No, but our sin can send us to hell. Only Jesus' Blood can give us salvation, it can be forsaken, or we wouldn't be given so many warnings. We can turn from God.
The bible says God will not forsake a man once (he) is saved. Man can forsake God, at any time. Angels did so. What makes you think men cannot?
Its called everlasting life. If you lose it, its not everlasting.You're being absurd.

Daniel1611
May 28th, 2015, 04:18 PM
So you're saying you can do something, a work, like "turning from God, to lose your salvation. So you're saying right now you are doing something, working to be saved.

Squeaky
May 28th, 2015, 05:25 PM
So you're saying man can turn from God and lose his salvation which implies that his works have a part in his salvation.

The bible says God will not forsake a man once be is saved. Its called everlasting life. If you lose it, its not everlasting.

I said
Saved is not salvation. And yes He can destroy you if you do not believe the rest.

Jude 1:5
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
(NKJ)

God's Truth
May 28th, 2015, 06:02 PM
I love this argument by works Salvationists that says you're not saved by works but if you don't have works then you aren't saved. Thats saved by works then. If there is one crystal clear and undeniable doctrine its that salvation is by grace through faith alone. Anything else is of the devil.

It isn't of the devil to obey Jesus, no matter what.

God's Truth
May 28th, 2015, 06:04 PM
I said
Listen. Saved is a gift. And it is temporary. So that you can work out your salvation. Which is eternal. You really need to go back a couple of posts and read what I said. Works alone will not get you there. Faith alone will not get you there. Both of them together will not get you there. It takes faith, works, and love.

Being saved and having salvation are the same thing.

God's Truth
May 28th, 2015, 06:06 PM
So you're saying man can turn from God and lose his salvation which implies that his works have a part in his salvation.

The bible says God will not forsake a man once be is saved. Its called everlasting life. If you lose it, its not everlasting.

It is not 'our' works that we are to do, it is God's works.

Jesus did God's works, and we are to do them too.

God's Truth
May 28th, 2015, 06:07 PM
Yes, God is not a car salesman, if He says it is a free gift then it is a free gift.

Not by works of righteous....lest squeaky should boast in God's presence.

If you fall into the hands of the Living God, it could turn into a dreadful thing.

God's Truth
May 28th, 2015, 06:08 PM
....fall from grace does not equate to being damned, a vast number of Christians fall from grace, when squeaky preaches works he has fallen from grace.


We ALL may fall from grace but not so as to be lost.

If you fall from grace, what kind of salvation do you have?

God's Truth
May 28th, 2015, 06:10 PM
I said
Saved is not salvation. And yes He can destroy you if you do not believe the rest.

Jude 1:5
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
(NKJ)

Again, being saved is salvation.

Squeaky
May 28th, 2015, 06:13 PM
Being saved and having salvation are the same thing.

I said
I'm sorry but there not. Saved is temporary, while salvation is eternal. Your only saved so that you can work out your salvation. Saved is a free gift. Salvation has to be worked for.

Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
(NKJ)

God's Truth
May 28th, 2015, 06:16 PM
No, but our sin can send us to hell. Only Jesus' Blood can give us salvation, it can be forsaken, or we wouldn't be given so many warnings. We can turn from God.Man can forsake God, at any time. Angels did so. What makes you think men cannot?You're being absurd.

Correct.

That is an excellent point about the angels.

There were Jews who were saved, and the Jews who did not have faith in God were broken off because they did not have faith.

Paul says that should make us tremble?

Romans 11:20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.


Why should that make us tremble?

Romans 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

Romans 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.


We have to continue in His kindness. We have to keep having faith and keep obeying Him.

Amen?

God's Truth
May 28th, 2015, 06:20 PM
I said
I'm sorry but there not. Saved is temporary, while salvation is eternal. Your only saved so that you can work out your salvation. Saved is a free gift. Salvation has to be worked for.

Phil 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
(NKJ)

Saved is temporary? Where do you get that?

Try a regular dictionary and look up salvation.

Squeaky
May 28th, 2015, 06:26 PM
Today
God gave me
the authority and power
to speak this
upon YOU that He has caused to READ this
I have posted here on this forum.

From this time forth...
YOU ...who have READ this...
each and every time you read
another post on any thread
on this website

a curse will come upon you and
each and every member of your family.
And if you are a member
each and every time you log in to this web site
and for every hour you are logged in to this web site...
a curse will come upon you and
each and every member of your family.

And if you or anyone in anyway whatsoever
has any part in anyway whatsoever that leads
to this thread or post to be deleted or delete
this thread from the forum or move this thread
from the Introduction forum or block this thread
or any post I make where the public cannot view it or
where I cannot access it at all times and post
on this forum with it ...

A spirit will come upon you or a member of your family
and possess them and torment and curse them till it
causes them to die by some way or another.

If you send me a pm ...
for every pm you send me...
7 curses will come upon you and each
and every member of your family.

Thus saith the Lord God.


I said
I rebuke you satan. Get off my thread.

Aimiel
May 28th, 2015, 06:59 PM
So you're saying you can do something, a work, like "turning from God, to lose your salvation. So you're saying right now you are doing something, working to be saved.You're twisting my words. Everyone has done something (sin) to deserve hell. No one has ever earned Heaven. Only Christ is worthy. We can go to Heaven, because Jesus' Blood cleanses us of sin. Anyone can fall from any level and, as I said earlier: if not we would not have been warned so many times about that fact. Thinking one can make a decision to believe upon Christ and then just ignore their salvation and still have it intact after living for the enemy their whole life is simply ludicrous. OSAS was designed in hell. If one is walking with The Lord one will never lose their salvation. If one is walking with Satan, they may have already lost it. It isn't works that saves us but it is sin that sends us to hell. Twisting words and trying to put words in someone's mouth isn't the work of someone who's walking with The Lord.

Aimiel
May 28th, 2015, 07:01 PM
Today
God gave me
the authority and power
to speak this... No, He didn't. Did you know that ALL liars shall have their place in hell? You need to repent of lying. :duh:

Daniel1611
May 28th, 2015, 07:13 PM
You're twisting my words. Everyone has done something (sin) to deserve hell. No one has ever earned Heaven. Only Christ is worthy. We can go to Heaven, because Jesus' Blood cleanses us of sin. Anyone can fall from any level and, as I said earlier: if not we would not have been warned so many times about that fact. Thinking one can make a decision to believe upon Christ and then just ignore their salvation and still have it intact after living for the enemy their whole life is simply ludicrous. OSAS was designed in hell. If one is walking with The Lord one will never lose their salvation. If one is walking with Satan, they may have already lost it. It isn't works that saves us but it is sin that sends us to hell. Twisting words and trying to put words in someone's mouth isn't the work of someone who's walking with The Lord.

I don't see what I twisted. You just said you have to "walk with God" or you may go to hell. Thats works. You're saying a saved person can do something to lose salvation. That's works. I'm a child of God through Christ. What can I do to stop being his child? Nothing. If you have a son, he could do anything or go anywhere but he's still your son. God calls the saved His children and we cannot stop being his children.

Squeaky
May 28th, 2015, 08:04 PM
I don't see what I twisted. You just said you have to "walk with God" or you may go to hell. Thats works. You're saying a saved person can do something to lose salvation. That's works. I'm a child of God through Christ. What can I do to stop being his child? Nothing. If you have a son, he could do anything or go anywhere but he's still your son. God calls the saved His children and we cannot stop being his children.

I said
If you ever figure out what he is saying let me know.

Squeaky
June 15th, 2015, 08:11 PM
I don't see what I twisted. You just said you have to "walk with God" or you may go to hell. Thats works. You're saying a saved person can do something to lose salvation. That's works. I'm a child of God through Christ. What can I do to stop being his child? Nothing. If you have a son, he could do anything or go anywhere but he's still your son. God calls the saved His children and we cannot stop being his children.

I said
I hope you know the difference between saved and salvation. Saved is temporary. Salvation is eternal. God saved a lot of people then destroyed the ones that didn't believe.

Jude 1:5
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 04:05 AM
Society Has Mixed Them All Together
The Holy Spirit separates them from each other and defines them.
Denominations mixes God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the Word of God all together. They are all separate. With separate functions and Jobs.


Denominations mixes the kingdom of God with the kingdom of heaven together. They are different. With different locations.

Denominations mixes faith and hope and trust, and believe all together. They are all different. With different purposes.

Denominations have mixed good angels and bad angels and good spirits and bad spirits all together. They are different. With different purposes.

Denominations have mixed mans laws in with Gods laws. They are different

Denominations have mixed the new testament with the old testament. They are different.

Denominations have mixed saved and salvation together. They are different.

Denominations have mixed old testament justice with mans justice with new testament justice. They are all different.

Denominations have mixed wanting and desire together. They are different.

Denominations have mixed coveting with lust with love. They are all different.

Denominations have mixed God and Jesus together. They are different.

Denominations have mixed Emotions and affections together. They are different.

Denominations have mixed Spiritual language and carnal language together. They are different.

Denominations have mixed Milk understanding and meat understanding together. They are different.

jzeidler
July 13th, 2015, 06:00 AM
If sin causes you to loose your salvation, how much sin does it take? How much does a person have to sin before he's lost?

meshak
July 13th, 2015, 07:54 AM
If sin causes you to loose your salvation, how much sin does it take? How much does a person have to sin before he's lost?

If you have to ask this question, you need to reexamine your faith. How long have you been claiming to be a Christian?

If we are true to Jesus, we will sin less and less as we get older. Jesus knows we are so imperfect. But He will give us grace to forgive our imperfection if we are striving to be true to Him.

Being faithful servant is life long endeavor.

Tambora
July 13th, 2015, 08:20 AM
If sin causes you to loose your salvation, how much sin does it take? How much does a person have to sin before he's lost?Good question.
The worker bees will never answer how much is enough.
They think that if they just TRY to hit the mark, everything will be OK.
But the bible never says that just TRYING to hit the mark will cut it.
The bible says one must hit the mark (not just TRY to hit the mark).

jzeidler
July 13th, 2015, 08:23 AM
Good question.

The worker bees will never answer how much is enough.

They think that if they just TRY to hit the mark, everything will be OK.

But the bible never says that just TRYING to hit the mark will cut it.

The bible says one must hit the mark (not just TRY to hit the mark).


Thanks. And your right. The bible doesn't say try. It says rest in Jesus and what he did for you. Have faith that his work on the cross saves you. That's it.

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 08:23 AM
If sin causes you to loose your salvation, how much sin does it take? How much does a person have to sin before he's lost?

I said
There are three types of sins.
Three Types Of Sin

The ones you dont have to repent of.

1 Pet 4:8
8 And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins."
(NKJ)

The ones you must repent of. Depends on which kind you are talking about.

2 Pet 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
(NKJ)

And the unforgiveable sin. That it doesnt do any good to repent of.
Matt 12:31-32
31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
(NKJ)

jzeidler
July 13th, 2015, 08:24 AM
If you have to ask this question, you need to reexamine your faith. How long have you been claiming to be a Christian?



If we are true to Jesus, we will sin less and less as we get older. Jesus knows we are so imperfect. But He will give us grace to forgive our imperfection if we are striving to be true to Him.



Being faithful servant is life long endeavor.


You didn't answer my question. How much? At what point does someone go too far?

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 08:34 AM
You didn't answer my question. How much? At what point does someone go too far?

I said
I did answer your question. If its a sin that needs repentance and you repent. Your forgiven
But if it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit it only takes once.

jzeidler
July 13th, 2015, 08:36 AM
I said

I did answer your question. If its a sin that needs repentance and you repent. Your forgiven

But if it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit it only takes once.


So Jesus didn't die for all sin? Whether just the believers or the sin of the whole world. At the cross not all sin was paid for? Jesus didn't finish the work of atonement?

jzeidler
July 13th, 2015, 09:08 AM
I believe John the baptist, a descendant of aaron by both parents, baptized christ and said "this is the lamb of god who takes away the sin of the world" he then carried these sins to the cross, blotting them out forever by being judged through the law so that in us the law of death is fulfilled so now we live through christ who gave us his life.



and in 1 john 2:2 it says He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.


Well said.

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 12:13 PM
So Jesus didn't die for all sin? Whether just the believers or the sin of the whole world. At the cross not all sin was paid for? Jesus didn't finish the work of atonement?

I said
I don't think you understand the word "all". All Christians.
John 6:39
39 "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
John 18:11

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 12:18 PM
I believe John the baptist, a descendant of aaron by both parents, baptized christ and said "this is the lamb of god who takes away the sin of the world" he then carried these sins to the cross, blotting them out forever by being judged through the law so that in us the law of death is fulfilled so now we live through christ who gave us his life.

and in 1 john 2:2 it says He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

I said
If that were true, which it is not. We wouldn't need to have a judgment day in the end. Nobody would go to the eternal lake of fire. which they will. We wouldn't need to repent now every time we commit a sin. Which we do. Do you keep all of Jesus' commandments?


I Jn 2:4-5
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
(NKJ)

Bright Raven
July 13th, 2015, 12:57 PM
I said
There are three types of sins.
Three Types Of Sin

The ones you dont have to repent of.

1 Pet 4:8
8 And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins."
(NKJ)

The ones you must repent of. Depends on which kind you are talking about.

2 Pet 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
(NKJ)

And the unforgiveable sin. That it doesnt do any good to repent of.
Matt 12:31-32
31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
(NKJ)
First , we must repent of all sin. Second the unpardonable sin is that in which Jesus is denied and his works are attributed to the devil. This sin is only for those who have denied Jesus.

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 01:08 PM
First , we must repent of all sin. Second the unpardonable sin is that in which Jesus is denied and his works are attributed to the devil. This sin is only for those who have denied Jesus.

I said
I don't know how you do that. Look right at it and deny it. But I have seen you do it before. I post a point blank verse. And you flip to the other side and deny it.

32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him;


but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Bright Raven
July 13th, 2015, 01:14 PM
I said
I don't know how you do that. Look right at it and deny it. But I have seen you do it before. I post a point blank verse. And you flip to the other side and deny it.

32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him;


but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

I'm not talking about speaking against Jesus word but denying who He is. I say this because the Holy Spirit testifies that Jesus is God the Son.

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 01:18 PM
I'm not talking about speaking against Jesus word but denying who He is. I say this because the Holy Spirit testifies that Jesus is God the Son.

I said
Now you have turned to out right lying? The Holy Spirit only quotes verses. And there is no verse that has Jesus is God the Son.

Bright Raven
July 13th, 2015, 01:27 PM
I said
Now you have turned to out right lying? The Holy Spirit only quotes verses. And there is no verse that has Jesus is God the Son.
There are a lot of them. You just deny them all.

Daniel1611
July 13th, 2015, 01:35 PM
Unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever."

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 01:41 PM
There are a lot of them. You just deny them all.

I said
What are you doing now just turning into a heckler? Trying to cause confusion.

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 01:45 PM
Unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever."

I said
Context, context, context. When God the Father brings Jesus into the world again. That hasn't happened yet.

Heb 1:6-8
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He


says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
7 And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
(NKJ)

Bright Raven
July 13th, 2015, 01:49 PM
I said
What are you doing now just turning into a heckler? Trying to cause confusion.John 1:1 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Word Becomes Flesh
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 4:25-26 New King James Version (NKJV)

25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”

26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

John 8:58 New King James Version (NKJV)

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Acts 20:28 New King James Version (NKJV)

28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God[a] which He purchased with His own blood.


Need more?

Tambora
July 13th, 2015, 01:58 PM
I said
I did answer your question. If its a sin that needs repentance and you repent. Your forgiven
But if it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit it only takes once.
Paul was a blasphemer.

1 Timothy 1 KJV
(13) Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 02:00 PM
John 1:1 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Word Becomes Flesh
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 4:25-26 New King James Version (NKJV)

25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”

26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

John 8:58 New King James Version (NKJV)

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Acts 20:28 New King James Version (NKJV)

28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God[a] which He purchased with His own blood.


Need more?

I said
Now that is much better. At least your trying with scripture. Now I have picked holes in the I Am delusions and John 1-1.
But here is a new one you haven't tried before Acts 20-28.
But as usual you didn't follow the context, context, context.


Acts 20:24-28
24 "But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy,


and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.



25 "And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more.
26 "Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men.
27 "For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.
28 "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He*Jesus) purchased with His own blood.
(NKJ)

That should be simple enough.

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 02:04 PM
Paul was a blasphemer.

1 Timothy 1 KJV
(13) Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

I said
But Paul never blasphemed the Holy Spirit. One can blaspheme Jesus, or the Word. But that is not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Matt 12:31
31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
(NKJ)

Bright Raven
July 13th, 2015, 02:09 PM
Thank you Squeaky. I consider that a compliment coming from you. However you will never and I mean never change the meaning of scripture. You can twist it and turn it but it will forever remain the same forever.

Squeaky
July 13th, 2015, 04:53 PM
Thank you Squeaky. I consider that a compliment coming from you. However you will never and I mean never change the meaning of scripture. You can twist it and turn it but it will forever remain the same forever.

I said
Well the truth is what I'm after.

Squeaky
August 9th, 2015, 04:07 PM
bump

Squeaky
September 5th, 2016, 08:38 PM
I know and the rules about believing will never change either. Don't think beyond what is written, and don't add one thing to the verses or take one thing away from the verses.

1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
December 6th, 2016, 09:25 PM
Have you fallen short?

Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

Squeaky
February 27th, 2017, 08:30 PM
bump

Squeaky
March 18th, 2017, 11:50 AM
Saved and salvation are different.

ok doser
March 18th, 2017, 12:40 PM
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Squeaky
March 18th, 2017, 12:47 PM
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I said
lol You should have known I was different when I started posting all the verses. lol Much different than you.

Squeaky
May 4th, 2017, 10:00 AM
Some times I wonder how many in here have been revoked.

Squeaky
June 28th, 2017, 06:29 PM
Saved can be revoked.

Squeaky
September 20th, 2017, 02:16 PM
Saved is temporary, salvation is eternal. God saved the people lots of times. And He has destroyed lots of people for not believing what He says.

[Jde 1:5
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.