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Squeaky
April 22nd, 2015, 07:31 PM
WOMEN-WIVES
I Jn 2:15-16
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world-- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-- is not of the Father but is of the world
Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Matt 6:19-21
19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;
20 "but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Matt 6:3-4
3 "But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4 "that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.
I Jn 3:18
18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
James 4:10
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.
1 Tim 2:9
9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,
1 Cor 11:4-9
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.
6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
James 2:17
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Eph 4:31
31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.
Eph 5:21-26
21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 6:9
9 And you, masters, do the same things to them, giving up threatening, knowing that your own Master also is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.
James 1:19
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
Matt 5:44
44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
1 Tim 2:12-14
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
1 Tim 6:1-2
1 Let as many bondservants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed.
2 And those who have believing masters, let them not despise them because they are brethren, but rather serve them because those who are benefited are believers and beloved. Teach and exhort these things.
Rom 13:1-2
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
1 Cor 14:34-37
34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached?
37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.
1 Pet 3:1-2
1 Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives,
2 when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear.
1 Pet 3:5-6
5 For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands,
6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.
Titus 2:3-5
3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things--
4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
Eph 5:33
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
1 Tim 2:11
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
1 Tim 2:15
15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
Luke 6:41
41 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye?
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. (NKJ)

xxxx From birth we were appointed as male or female. Assume the role. God made you what He wanted you to be, and you have to prove yourself as what ever He made you. Put to death the what if's. God has already established the order. Check your spirits, hold to them that glorify Jesus and purge them that dont. Your whole life is set up so you can show God how you are going to be if you get to heaven. Trust God, crucify the flesh(feelings& emotions) submit to the authority that God appointed to you. Prove yourself.
You were given a husband so you can demonstrate just how you would submit to Jesus if you were married to Him.


Luke 16:25
25 "But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
(NKJ)

Gal 1:10-12
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)

Matt 5:23-24
23 "Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,
24 "leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
(NKJ)

1Thes 4:1-8
1 Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God;
2 for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality;
4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,
5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God;
6 that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified.
7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness.
8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 5:9-15
9 Do not let a widow under sixty years old be taken into the number, and not unless she has been the wife of one man,
10 well reported for good works: if she has brought up children, if she has lodged strangers, if she has washed the saints' feet, if she has relieved the afflicted, if she has diligently followed every good work.
11 But refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry,
12 having condemnation because they have cast off their first faith.
13 And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not.
14 Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
15 For some have already turned aside after Satan.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

Eph 5:33
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 11:1-3

1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
April 22nd, 2015, 07:32 PM
Womens Lib

I was watching that 700 club awhile back and they said that all marriage sins are up by 800 percent now. And that the divorce rate is at 65 percent now. Does any of these women accept responsibility for this yet? Womens lib came out in the middle 70s and it is destroying the american family unit. Now they want to put a women in the white house and give her awhole lot of authority over a man. It looks like satan is having alot of fun with women now.

1 Tim 2:12-14
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 5:6
6 But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives.
(NKJ)

Rom 14:22
22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 14:33-37
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached?
37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.
(NKJ)

Eph 5:22-23
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
(NKJ)

Eph 5:24
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
(NKJ)

Titus 2:3-6
3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things--
4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
6 Likewise exhort the young men to be sober-minded,
(NKJ)

And we know that a Christian can condemn themselves in what they approve. Like women in authority, homosexuals, puting children first. Men that agree with the womens lib have sold their birthright.

Gen 25:31-33
31 But Jacob said, "Sell me your birthright as of this day."
32 And Esau said, "Look, I am about to die; so what is this birthright to me?"
33 Then Jacob said, "Swear to me as of this day." So he swore to him, and sold his birthright to Jacob.
(NKJ)

Heb 12:16-17
16 lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright.
17 For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
April 22nd, 2015, 07:34 PM
Women-Rebelling


Acts 13:1-13
1 Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
2 As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, "Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."
3 Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away.
4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus.
5 And when they arrived in Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. They also had John as their assistant.
6 Now when they had gone through the island to Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew whose name was Bar-Jesus,
7 who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man. This man called for Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.
8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so his name is translated) withstood them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith.
9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him
10 and said, "O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord?
11 "And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time." And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand.
12 Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had been done, being astonished at the teaching of the Lord.
13 Now when Paul and his party set sail from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia; and John, departing from them, returned to Jerusalem.
Acts 13:46-14:4
46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, "It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 "For so the Lord has commanded us: 'I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, that you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.' "
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
49 And the word of the Lord was being spread throughout all the region.
50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region.
51 But they shook off the dust from their feet against them, and came to Iconium.
52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
CHAPTER 14
1 Now it happened in Iconium that they went together to the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a great multitude both of the Jews and of the Greeks believed.
2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brethren.
3 Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.
4 But the multitude of the city was divided: part sided with the Jews, and part with the apostles.
Acts 14:5-19
5 And when a violent attempt was made by both the Gentiles and Jews, with their rulers, to abuse and stone them,
6 they became aware of it and fled to Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia, and to the surrounding region.
7 And they were preaching the gospel there.
8 And in Lystra a certain man without strength in his feet was sitting, a cripple from his mother's womb, who had never walked.
9 This man heard Paul speaking. Paul, observing him intently and seeing that he had faith to be healed,
10 said with a loud voice, "Stand up straight on your feet!" And he leaped and walked.
11 Now when the people saw what Paul had done, they raised their voices, saying in the Lycaonian language, "The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!"
12 And Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul, Hermes, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Zeus, whose temple was in front of their city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates, intending to sacrifice with the multitudes.
14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude, crying out
15 and saying, "Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
16 "who in bygone generations allowed all nations to walk in their own ways.
17 "Nevertheless He did not leave Himself without witness, in that He did good, gave us rain from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness."
18 And with these sayings they could scarcely restrain the multitudes from sacrificing to them.
19 Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead.
Acts 14:20-22
20 However, when the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.
21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch,
22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, "We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God."
1 Cor 12:4-5
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
1 Cor 12:17-20
17 If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling?
18 But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.
19 And if they were all one member, where would the body be?
20 But now indeed there are many members, yet one body.
1 Cor 12:11
11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
1 Cor 11:1-3
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Cor 7:1-5
1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.
3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband.
4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
1 Cor 7:7-11
7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.
8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am;
9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
1 Cor 7:17-20
17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches.
18 Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
20 Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.
1 Cor 7:25-29
His mercy has made trustworthy.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress-- that it is good for a man to remain as he is:
27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife.
28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have trouble in the flesh, but I would spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none,
1 Cor 7:32-33
32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord-- how he may please the Lord.
33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world-- how he may please his wife.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
April 23rd, 2015, 10:15 AM
How many women have we got in here?

Squeaky
April 23rd, 2015, 08:31 PM
A Christian woman is happy and content with what God made them. And if a woman is ashamed of what they are, they will lie. But God is watching.

Squeaky
April 24th, 2015, 05:30 PM
Are there any women in here?

Lazy afternoon
April 24th, 2015, 05:38 PM
Are there any women in here?

Yes, but the same rules between women and men also apply to the relationship between men and the Lord.

Go through the verses and check that out, because God is very smart and the same things men require of women are also required of men.

Men doing their own thing in Gods church are rebelling against the Lord, and they are the most vocal about the rebelliousness of women.

We can see that in the Moslem world too very easily.

LA

Squeaky
April 24th, 2015, 05:41 PM
Yes, but the same rules between women and men also apply to the relationship between men and the Lord.

Go through the verses and check that out, because God is very smart and the same things men require of women are also required of men.

Men doing their own thing in Gods church are rebelling against the Lord, and they are the most vocal about the rebelliousness of women.

We can see that in the Moslem world too very easily.

LA

I said
lol You didn't read the OP did you.

Lazy afternoon
April 24th, 2015, 06:20 PM
I said
lol You didn't read the OP did you.

Men have no excuse for what they expect from women they mostly never do themselves toward the Lord.

LA

Squeaky
April 24th, 2015, 06:28 PM
Men have no excuse for what they expect from women they mostly never do themselves toward the Lord.

LA

I said
There is one thing I have learned over the years. Some men share what the bible says with others. And that is the way it is suppose to be. And some men take it personally and only share the way they want it to be. But most women are emotional and share their emotions with others. As Christians we are suppose to share the gospel with others.

Squeaky
April 25th, 2015, 11:28 AM
FORTHWITH ---Straightforward
Matt 26:49
49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
Mark 1:28-29
28 And immediately his fame spread abroad throughout all the region round about Galilee.
29 And forthwith, when they were come out of the synagogue, they entered into the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John.
Mark 1:43
43 And he straitly charged him, and forthwith sent him away;
Mark 5:13
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.
John 19:34
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
Acts 9:18
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 12:10
10 When they were past the first and the second ward, they came unto the iron gate that leadeth unto the city; which opened to them of his own accord: and they went out, and passed on through one street; and forthwith the angel departed from him.
(KJV)

Acts 21:30
30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
(KJV)
xxx Forthwith is being straight forward, no guile no trickery, just honesty. How can anyone be a Christian if they use a phoney name to represent themselves by??? That is the first step to guile. You people that are useing phoney names and changing your name every time you get convicted are not helping your relationship with God. No one can really pray for you if your not going to be straightforward with them.
And if you women dont tell the truth about what gender you are you will suffer chastizement. And you cant be trusted.If you want the truth out of others, truth must come out of you.

Gal 6:8
8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
April 26th, 2015, 03:58 AM
If you cant be honest with others that you can see, how can you be honest with God who you cant see?

Squeaky
April 27th, 2015, 03:41 AM
Has the devil got you deceived into thinking you are a teacher?

1 Tim 2:12-14
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 3:11-12
11 Likewise their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things.
12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 29th, 2015, 07:11 PM
Women have always had it a little easier than man. If a woman submits to her husband God will teach her. If she rebels against her husband the devil will teach her. Man must submit to Jesus.


1 Cor 11:1-9

1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.
6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 29th, 2015, 07:29 PM
Loophole in Paul's word.

Not everywoman has a godly husband. They don't apply God's word in their personal lives. So what wives supposed to do in that situation? Submitting to hypocritical husbands?

Don't forget that parents have responsibility to raise their children as they should go.

You cannot raise godly children in two standards household. They will learn to be hypocrite themselves. We cannot mock God, squeaky.

Squeaky
August 29th, 2015, 08:06 PM
Loophole in Paul's word.

Not everywoman has a godly husband. They don't apply God's word in their personal lives. So what wives supposed to do in that situation? Submitting to hypocritical husbands?

Don't forget that parents have responsibility to raise their children as they should go.

You cannot raise godly children in two standards household. They will learn to be hypocrite themselves. We cannot mock God, squeaky.

I said
Well I had that kind of marriage. But I trusted God to handle it. I hung in there praying for strength to endure. Now because of that God got me out of the marriage. She divorced me. When people don't like something they try to change it. But for a Christian we are suppose to endure it. I never pray for God to get me out of something, I pray for strength to endure it. And that is what gets God to intervene on our behalf. He turned her over to satan and she divorced me. When He sees us walking in love suffering wrongfully but doing it willingly. They told me I had cancer a few years back. I didn't pray for God to heal me. I pray for strength to endure it. And it hasn't ever bothered me.

meshak
August 29th, 2015, 08:24 PM
I said
Well I had that kind of marriage. But I trusted God to handle it. I hung in there praying for strength to endure. Now because of that God got me out of the marriage. She divorced me. When people don't like something they try to change it. But for a Christian we are suppose to endure it. I never pray for God to get me out of something, I pray for strength to endure it. And that is what gets God to intervene on our behalf. He turned her over to satan and she divorced me. When He sees us walking in love suffering wrongfully but doing it willingly. They told me I had cancer a few years back. I didn't pray for God to heal me. I pray for strength to endure it. And it hasn't ever bothered me.

We had children involved. I did not want to make our children subject to double standard family environment. So I asked him either he repent and change His life style to HIs way because he is claiming to be a Christian.

But he refused and left us because children did not want to live with him. We are not divorced, we are just separated.

I asked children which one they want to live with and they chose me.

This happened when I became His follower about 15 years ago.

Squeaky
August 29th, 2015, 08:41 PM
We had children involved. I did not want to make our children subject to double standard family environment. So I asked him either he repent and change His life style to HIs way because he is claiming to be a Christian.

But he refused and left us because children did not want to live with him. We are not divorced, we are just separated.

I asked children which one they want to live with and they chose me.

This happened when I became His follower about 15 years ago.

I said
I had three children. But I wouldn't let children come between me and God.

Luke 14:26-27
26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
27 "And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
(NKJ)

Well as long as you don't touch another man.

1 Cor 7:10-11
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 29th, 2015, 08:48 PM
I said
I had three children. But I wouldn't let children come between me and God.

I don't believe Jesus would tolerate staying abusive family environment, especially when children are involved.

You seem to be dismissing the responsibility for children.

Are you saying I was wrong for what I did?

Rusha
August 29th, 2015, 09:24 PM
I said
I had three children. But I wouldn't let children come between me and God.


I don't believe Jesus would tolerate staying abusive family environment, especially when children are involved.

You seem to be dismissing the responsibility for children.

Are you saying I was wrong for what I did?

Indeed ... Squeaky has a tendency to do just that. As a parent and mother, your children's safety and well being should always come first.

The only thing wrong here ... is Squeaky's unequal standards for wives as compared to their husbands.

patrick jane
August 29th, 2015, 09:30 PM
I said
I had three children. But I wouldn't let children come between me and God.

Luke 14:26-27
26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
27 "And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
(NKJ)

Well as long as you don't touch another man.

1 Cor 7:10-11
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
(NKJ)

why start this thread ? what about all of your other threads that you created to teach others ? - :bang:

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 03:52 AM
I don't believe Jesus would tolerate staying abusive family environment, especially when children are involved.

You seem to be dismissing the responsibility for children.

Are you saying I was wrong for what I did?

I said
I'm not dismissing anything. God set down priorities. And it all depends on what you mean by abusive. We all have to make decisions based on which one is more important. But the bond between husband and wife should be stronger than the bond between wife and children. Children will always grow up and leave, at least they should. If we raised them right. But a husband and wife is for ever. Atleast it is suppose to be.
And as far as you being wrong, I don't know. It says if a wife leaves her husband let her remain unmarried or be joined back with her husband. If a woman leaves her husband and never touches another man she might be forgiven.

1 Cor 7:10-11
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 03:55 AM
Indeed ... Squeaky has a tendency to do just that. As a parent and mother, your children's safety and well being should always come first.

The only thing wrong here ... is Squeaky's unequal standards for wives as compared to their husbands.

I said
Its not my standards, its God's.

Matt 19:8-12
8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
10 His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry."
11 But He said to them, "All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given:
12 "For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 03:58 AM
why start this thread ? what about all of your other threads that you created to teach others ? - :bang:

I said
I'm not here to teach anyone. I am only here to share my revelations. and answer any questions about them. And to demonstrate the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 06:45 AM
I said
I'm not dismissing anything. God set down priorities. And it all depends on what you mean by abusive. We all have to make decisions based on which one is more important. But the bond between husband and wife should be stronger than the bond between wife and children. Children will always grow up and leave, at least they should. If we raised them right. But a husband and wife is for ever. Atleast it is suppose to be.
And as far as you being wrong, I don't know. It says if a wife leaves her husband let her remain unmarried or be joined back with her husband. If a woman leaves her husband and never touches another man she might be forgiven.

1 Cor 7:10-11
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
(NKJ)

Like I said already, we are not divorced, just separated.

I never got involved with anyone after separation. You are right, divorced Christian should never remarried unless their former spouse is dead.

I believe when the parents cannot provide peaceful and healthy family environment for their children, they need to stop. Parents have no right to subject the children to such condition. Pretentiousness will not work.

Children are powerless.

bybee
August 30th, 2015, 06:52 AM
Like I said already, we are not divorced, just separated.

I never got involved with anyone after separation. You are right, divorced Christian should never remarried unless their former spouse is dead.

I believe when the parents cannot provide peaceful environment for their children, they need to stop. parents have no right to subject the children to such condition. Pretentiousness will not work.

Agreed!

Interplanner
August 30th, 2015, 07:29 AM
The item about the spouse who leaves a marriage and how they should not remarry is for those who cheated and leave. If they repent at that point, they should not remarry someone else.

But Jesus did say that the spouse who was cheated on may remarry. It should be a widow, or never married or the same as them--one who was cheated.

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 07:54 AM
I said
We all have to make decisions based on which one is more important. But the bond between husband and wife should be stronger than the bond between wife and children. Children will always grow up and leave, at least they should. If we raised them right. But a husband and wife is for ever. Atleast it is suppose to be.

I think you're dismissing the safety and well being of children which should come first and which is more important. Do you realize how many parents lose custody of their children because they don't remove them from abusive situations as in for example a wife and mother who refuses to leave an abusive husband? I should know. My mother refused to do that and lost custody of me and my two sisters and brother and we went into foster care.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 08:03 AM
The item about the spouse who leaves a marriage and how they should not remarry is for those who cheated and leave. If they repent at that point, they should not remarry someone else.

But Jesus did say that the spouse who was cheated on may remarry. It should be a widow, or never married or the same as them--one who was cheated.

I disagree, we need to pay the consequences of our choices.

Marriage vow is not taken seriously in most Christian community.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 08:32 AM
I said
Its not my standards, its God's.

I am unconvinced that God would want a man or a woman to be bound in an abusive or adulterous relationship.


I think you're dismissing the safety and well being of children which should come first and which is more important. Do you realize how many parents lose custody of their children because they don't remove them from abusive situations as in for example a wife and mother who refuses to leave an abusive husband? I should know. My mother refused to do that and lost custody of me and my two sisters and brother and we went into foster care.

Exactly ... the CHILDREN'S well being should always trump that of the abusive (or cheating) spouse/parent.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:48 AM
Like I said already, we are not divorced, just separated.

I never got involved with anyone after separation. You are right, divorced Christian should never remarried unless their former spouse is dead.

I believe when the parents cannot provide peaceful and healthy family environment for their children, they need to stop. Parents have no right to subject the children to such condition. Pretentiousness will not work.

Children are powerless.

I said
The problem with society today is everyone has their own definition for abusive. A man is raised to believe he is the one for the discipline. My dad used to really beat us kids when we messed up. My mother would get in the way and he would have to hit her. Then when he got to us he was twice as mad. She thought she was helping but she wasn't. She only made him twice as mad. We used to ask her to not but in. But her emotions always got in it. She thought she was helping us kids. But she was making it worse.
That is what I mean by using words like abusive. There are to many different ways to define the word. But I can see a woman leaving with children if there was child molesting. But even then she shouldn't have sex with any other man.
Sex is marriage in Gods eyes. The marriage license was only invented in the late 1800's. Before that marriage was defined by sex. So if a wife leaves her husband, and doesn't have sex with anyone else she can find mercy from God. Or she can return to her husband.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:50 AM
The item about the spouse who leaves a marriage and how they should not remarry is for those who cheated and leave. If they repent at that point, they should not remarry someone else.

But Jesus did say that the spouse who was cheated on may remarry. It should be a widow, or never married or the same as them--one who was cheated.

I said
No its for any reason. Now the one who cheats first is the guilty party and the other one is free to remarry. But the cheating one is not.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:51 AM
I think you're dismissing the safety and well being of children which should come first and which is more important. Do you realize how many parents lose custody of their children because they don't remove them from abusive situations as in for example a wife and mother who refuses to leave an abusive husband? I should know. My mother refused to do that and lost custody of me and my two sisters and brother and we went into foster care.

I said
Your wrong children should never come before one's mate.

Interplanner
August 30th, 2015, 08:56 AM
I said
No its for any reason. Now the one who cheats first is the guilty party and the other one is free to remarry. But the cheating one is not.


Can you be more clear by not starting a sentence with "it's". There are a lot of its in what I said. You probably mean: the spouse who cheated should not remarry another other person than their spouse, and if they don't reconcile, the cheating spouse should not remarry at all.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:57 AM
I am unconvinced that God would want a man or a woman to be bound in an abusive or adulterous relationship.



Exactly ... the CHILDREN'S well being should always trump that of the abusive (or cheating) spouse/parent.

I said
I don't think you understand why there is so much suffering in the world. God puts all of us in places where we have a choice to suffer wrongfully, or run. The definition of love is to "suffer wrongfully and do it willingly".

1 Pet 2:19-22
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
(NKJ)

some do it willingly to please God. Others are to weak. Jesus done it willingly to demonstrate His love for us. And asks us to love others the same way.

Interplanner
August 30th, 2015, 08:59 AM
I said
I don't think you understand why there is so much suffering in the world. God puts all of us in places where we have a choice to suffer wrongfully, or run. The definition of love is to "suffer wrongfully and do it willingly".

1 Pet 2:19-22
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
(NKJ)

some do it willingly to please God. Others are to weak. Jesus done it willingly to demonstrate His love for us. And asks us to love others the same way.


That refers to suffering for the Gospel's sake. It is not an answer about abuse, and Paul does not try to make an unbeliever stay who wants to go (I Cor 7:15+).

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 09:07 AM
I said
The problem with society today is everyone has their own definition for abusive. A man is raised to believe he is the one for the discipline.

One ... it is not up to a *man* to discipline his wife ...


My dad used to really beat us kids when we messed up.

Beating is NOT discipline. It is abuse. There is a difference between a spanking as compared to beating.


My mother would get in the way and he would have to hit her. Then when he got to us he was twice as mad. She thought she was helping but she wasn't. She only made him twice as mad. We used to ask her to not but in. But her emotions always got in it. She thought she was helping us kids. But she was making it worse.

Squeaky, your thought process on this is extremely messed up. When you use words like "have to hit her" you are falling into the game that abusers love to play.

"It was her fault" ... "she shouldn't have made me so mad I had to hit her". IF a wife/mother is witness to her husband BEATING (your words) her children, she should respond in one of two way. She should either grab them and LEAVE or find something powerful enough to swing at his head to temporarily disable him.


That is what I mean by using words like abusive. There are to many different ways to define the word. But I can see a woman leaving with children if there was child molesting. But even then she shouldn't have sex with any other man.

One, she should make sure he is arrested and charged and never has contacts with the children again. Two, you wish to punish the ex-wife of a CHILD MOLESTER by pretending she doesn't have right to remarry and continue her life because first husband is child-raping creep? Seriously. That's too much. Even for you.


Sex is marriage in Gods eyes. The marriage license was only invented in the late 1800's. Before that marriage was defined by sex. So if a wife leaves her husband, and doesn't have sex with anyone else she can find mercy from God. Or she can return to her husband.

I think you are reading your own misogyny into your version of God.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 09:10 AM
I said
I don't think you understand why there is so much suffering in the world. God puts all of us in places where we have a choice to suffer wrongfully, or run. The definition of love is to "suffer wrongfully and do it willingly".

A parent's FIRST priority is to their children. Allowing them to "suffer wrongly and do it willingly" is not the response of a loving parent.

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 09:12 AM
I said
Your wrong children should never come before one's mate.
No I am not wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. You're so blinded by legalism that you have no clue what it means to be a good, loving and responsible parent.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:23 AM
That refers to suffering for the Gospel's sake. It is not an answer about abuse, and Paul does not try to make an unbeliever stay who wants to go (I Cor 7:15+).

I said
Everything a Christian does is for the Gospels sake. Was Jesus abused when He was hanging on that cross??

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:27 AM
One ... it is not up to a *man* to discipline his wife ...



Beating is NOT discipline. It is abuse. There is a difference between a spanking as compared to beating.



Squeaky, your thought process on this is extremely messed up. When you use words like "have to hit her" you are falling into the game that abusers love to play.

"It was her fault" ... "she shouldn't have made me so mad I had to hit her". IF a wife/mother is witness to her husband BEATING (your words) her children, she should respond in one of two way. She should either grab them and LEAVE or find something powerful enough to swing at his head to temporarily disable him.



One, she should make sure he is arrested and charged and never has contacts with the children again. Two, you wish to punish the ex-wife of a CHILD MOLESTER by pretending she doesn't have right to remarry and continue her life because first husband is child-raping creep? Seriously. That's too much. Even for you.



I think you are reading your own misogyny into your version of God.

I said
Everything a woman does to her husband is to show God how she would treat Him if she were married to Him.


Eph 5:22-23
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
(NKJ)

Col 3:18
18 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:30 AM
A parent's FIRST priority is to their children. Allowing them to "suffer wrongly and do it willingly" is not the response of a loving parent.

I said
Its not the response to a human family. Your testifying against God.



Matt 22:37-38
37 Jesus said to him," 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 "This is the first and great commandment.
(NKJ)

Mark 12:30
30 'And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
(NKJ)

Eph 5:22-23
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
(NKJ)

Col 3:18
18 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:31 AM
No I am not wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. You're so blinded by legalism that you have no clue what it means to be a good and responsible parent.

I said
Your talking from society, I'm talking from the bible.


2 Tim 3:13
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
(NKJ)

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 09:34 AM
I said
Your talking from society, I'm talking from the bible.


2 Tim 3:13
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
(NKJ)
Matt. 18:6 “And everyone who commits an offense against one of these little ones who believe in me, it were profitable for him that a donkey's millstone would be hung around his neck and he be sunk in the depths of the sea.”

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:36 AM
We all get a chance to suffer wrongfully, and prove ourselves to God. If we don't prove ourselves then we suffer chastisements. And we suffer rightfully. We deserve the punishment.

1 Tim 1:5-6
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 09:36 AM
Sex is marriage in Gods eyes. The marriage license was only invented in the late 1800's. Before that marriage was defined by sex. So if a wife leaves her husband, and doesn't have sex with anyone else she can find mercy from God. Or she can return to her husband.



I did not nor do not endorse remarriage after divorce or separation unless your spouse is dead.

That's how we know if we are taking marriage vow seriously or not.

There are too many Christians endorse remarriage if their spouse cheated on them.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 09:37 AM
I said
Everything a woman does to her husband is to show God how she would treat Him if she were married to Him.

Husbands are not God. You seem to have the two confused. That's rather telling ... on your part.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 09:39 AM
I said
Its not the response to a human family. Your testifying against God.

No, I am responding to YOU and your sick notion that any vile behavior is approved so long as it is from the husband.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:40 AM
Matt. 18:6 “And everyone who commits an offense against one of these little ones who believe in me, it were profitable for him that a donkey's millstone would be hung around his neck and he be sunk in the depths of the sea.”

I said
That's right that is what will happen to the abuser. A Christian will wait until God acts and defends His Word. The weak in faith will take it in their own hands and try to handle it.

Luke 18:7-8
7 "And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them?
8 "I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?"
(NKJ)

Rom 12:19-21
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:41 AM
I did not nor do not endorse remarriage after divorce or separation unless your spouse is dead.

That's how we know if we are taking marriage vow seriously or not.

There are too many Christians endorse remarriage if their spouse cheated on them.

I said
That is good.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:43 AM
Husbands are not God. You seem to have the two confused. That's rather telling ... on your part.

I said
Well maybe you should go tell God He made a mistake. You don't approve
Eph 5:22-23
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
(NKJ)

Col 3:18
18 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:45 AM
No, I am responding to YOU and your sick notion that any vile behavior is approved so long as it is from the husband.

I said
Your gross exaggerations only reveal your ignorance. I never said it was approved. I said God will handle it if you don't but in and try to take over. Which I'm thinking you would.

Rom 12:19-21
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 09:48 AM
I said
Well maybe you should go tell God He made a mistake. You don't approve
Eph 5:22-23
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
(NKJ)

Col 3:18
18 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
(NKJ)

You see, that's why I don't take Paul's word too seriously. Many of His comments don't harmonize with Jesus' love or teachings.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 09:49 AM
I said
Your gross exaggerations only reveal your ignorance. I never said it was approved. I said God will handle it if you don't but in and try to take over. Which I'm thinking you would.

Do you believe it is better for a mother to

A) stay with an abusive husband who is beating her and the children even if a child ends up dead ...

Or

B ) would leaving for the safety of the child be the morally superior response?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:49 AM
Anyone who has trusted God and walked in love, knows that God will handle the problem in His own time. We know that if God hasn't handled the problem yet we haven't suffered enough. We haven't proven our love yet. But when we have God will step in and deliver us.

1 Pet 5:10
10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:52 AM
You see, that's why I don't take Paul's word too seriously. Many of His comments don't harmonize with Jesus' love or teachings.

I said
But your forgetting one thing. Jesus words came from God, Paul's words came from God. There all God's words. And Jesus is the one that called Paul, and sent him out. And told Paul I will be with you.
So to eliminate Paul is to eliminate part of Jesus.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 09:54 AM
Anyone who has trusted God and walked in love, knows that God will handle the problem in His own time. We know that if God hasn't handled the problem yet we haven't suffered enough. We haven't proven our love yet. But when we have God will step in and deliver us.

It is not realistic view or perspective.


1 Pet 5:10
10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
(NKJ)

We have no right to make children suffer for our weak minded faith.

God does not endorse bully people.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:55 AM
Do you believe it is better for a mother to

A) stay with an abusive husband who is beating her and the children even if a child ends up dead ...

Or

B ) would leaving for the safety of the child be the morally superior response?

I said
There you go again. Using gross exaggerations. I think your problem is you have a wild imagination.


2 Cor 10:4-5
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
(KJV)

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 09:56 AM
Anyone who has trusted God and walked in love, knows that God will handle the problem in His own time. We know that if God hasn't handled the problem yet we haven't suffered enough. We haven't proven our love yet. But when we have God will step in and deliver us.


I said
Your gross exaggerations only reveal your ignorance. I never said it was approved. I said God will handle it if you don't but in and try to take over. Which I'm thinking you would.

Why are you incapable of answering this question?


Do you believe it is better for a mother to

A) stay with an abusive husband who is beating her and the children even if a child ends up dead ...

Or

B ) would leaving for the safety of the child be the morally superior response?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:57 AM
It is not realistic view or perspective.



We have no right to make children suffer for our weak minded faith.

God does not endorse bully people.


I said
It might not be, but it is a spiritual perspective.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 10:00 AM
I said
But your forgetting one thing. Jesus words came from God, Paul's words came from God. There all God's words. And Jesus is the one that called Paul, and sent him out. And told Paul I will be with you.
So to eliminate Paul is to eliminate part of Jesus.

I disagree. Some of his teachings are not of Jesus.

That's why I base my faith according to what Jesus says.

Jesus is the Lord, not Paul.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:00 AM
Why are you incapable of answering this question?

I said
I deal with the problem at hand, and your problem is your imagination


2 Cor 10:4-5
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
(KJV)

The Lord tells me to avoid stupid questions.

2 Tim 2:23-24
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
(KJV)

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 10:02 AM
I said
There you go again. Using gross exaggerations. I think your problem is you have a wild imagination.

YOU are the person who described being beaten as a child and then stating your mother interfered which caused her to be beaten as well.

Your are justifying child and spousal abuse for one simple reason: you believe the husband/father should be allowed to behave and abuse freely without repercussions.

Words have meaning. That is why if a person gets angry and BEATS their neighbor, they will most likely be charged with assault.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:03 AM
I disagree. Some of his teachings are not of Jesus.

That's why I base my faith according to what Jesus says.

Jesus is the Lord, not Paul.

I said
God wouldn't have allowed him in His Word if there were any thing wrong with what he said. God is not that weak.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:05 AM
YOU are the person who described being beaten as a child and then stating your mother interfered which caused her to be beaten as well.

Your are justifying child and spousal abuse for one simple reason: you believe the husband/father should be allowed to behave and abuse freely without repercussions.

Words have meaning. That is why if a person gets angry and BEATS their neighbor, they will most likely be charged with assault.

I said
Gross exaggerations over and over. I never said he beat her. I never justified anything. I just stated facts. Get a grip.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 10:08 AM
I said
God wouldn't have allowed him in His Word if there were any thing wrong with what he said. God is not that weak.

Men canonized the scripture.

Why do you think there are so many of Paul's word?

Christianity is all about Jesus and His teachings.

Jesus taught us perfectly to know how to love God and one another.

Jesus is the Teacher, He said so Himself.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:12 AM
Men canonized the scripture.

Why do you think there are so many of Paul's word?

Christianity is all about Jesus and His teachings.

Jesus taught us perfectly to know how to love God and one another.

Jesus is the Teacher, He said so Himself.

I said
No Jesus said the Holy Spirit is our teacher. The Holy Spirit teaches from all over the new testament. If you don't read it all the Holy Spirit cant teach you all you need to know.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 10:16 AM
I said
No Jesus said the Holy Spirit is our teacher. The Holy Spirit teaches from all over the new testament. If you don't read it all the Holy Spirit cant teach you all you need to know.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

So you dismiss Jesus word of "don't let anyone call you a teacher because I am the teacher?"

I know you know this verse.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 10:17 AM
YOU are the person who described being beaten as a child and then stating your mother interfered which caused her to be beaten as well.

Your are justifying child and spousal abuse for one simple reason: you believe the husband/father should be allowed to behave and abuse freely without repercussions.

Words have meaning. That is why if a person gets angry and BEATS their neighbor, they will most likely be charged with assault.


I said
Gross exaggerations over and over. I never said he beat her. I never justified anything. I just stated facts. Get a grip.

Are you conveniently forgetful ... or intentionally deceitful?


I said
The problem with society today is everyone has their own definition for abusive. A man is raised to believe he is the one for the discipline. My dad used to really beat us kids when we messed up. My mother would get in the way and he would have to hit her. Then when he got to us he was twice as mad. She thought she was helping but she wasn't. She only made him twice as mad. We used to ask her to not but in. But her emotions always got in it. She thought she was helping us kids. But she was making it worse.


Squeaky, there is something wrong with you that you would place the blame on the person (your mother) trying to defend her children from being beat (YOUR WORD) and then follow up by saying "he would HAVE to hit her".

It's a pattern that you are too blinded by your stubbornness to see. Abusers blame their victims and manipulate their emotions in such a way that they soon blame themselves and everyone except the person doing the "beating".

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:32 AM
So you dismiss Jesus word of "don't let anyone call you a teacher because I am the teacher?"

I know you know this verse.

I said
I know it. And that teacher told us He was going away and He would send a teacher that would stay with us always. The Holy Spirit. And Jesus told us that He sent the apostles and He would be with them. And He did, and He was. The problem with only using part of the new testament is one becomes lukewarm. with only a piece of the truth.

Rev 3:16
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
(NKJ)

Interplanner
August 30th, 2015, 10:34 AM
Are you conveniently forgetful ... or intentionally deceitful?



Squeaky, there is something wrong with you that you would place the blame on the person (your mother) trying to defend her children from being beat (YOUR WORD) and then follow up by saying "he would HAVE to hit her".

It's a pattern that you are too blinded by your stubbornness to see. Abusers blame their victims and manipulate their emotions in such a way that they soon blame themselves and everyone except the person doing the "beating".


Well done, Rusha.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:34 AM
Are you conveniently forgetful ... or intentionally deceitful?



Squeaky, there is something wrong with you that you would place the blame on the person (your mother) trying to defend her children from being beat (YOUR WORD) and then follow up by saying "he would HAVE to hit her".

It's a pattern that you are too blinded by your stubbornness to see. Abusers blame their victims and manipulate their emotions in such a way that they soon blame themselves and everyone except the person doing the "beating".

I said
Like I said I never said he beat her. He only hit her. Which cause us the beatings. But I'm not blameing anyone for anything we deserved it.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:36 AM
Well done, Rusha.

I said
lol I want to see her tell that to God on judgment day.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:39 AM
God told woman how to win over their husbands. But women now days are to lazy or ignorant to try. And we know away to emotional.

1 Pet 3:1-2
1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
(KJV)

Titus 2:4-5
4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 10:40 AM
I said
I know it. And that teacher told us He was going away and He would send a teacher that would stay with us always.The Holy Spirit.

The HS will teach us what Jesus taught us by giving us His word.


And Jesus told us that He sent the apostles and He would be with them. And He did, and He was.

reference?


The problem with only using part of the new testament is one becomes lukewarm. with only a piece of the truth.

Faithfulness is not pushing abusive practice, brother. Protecting children is not luke warmness.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 10:41 AM
I said
Like I said I never said he beat her. He only hit her. Which cause us the beatings. But I'm not blameing anyone for anything we deserved it.

As I stated before, the arguments and excuses you are using are the same as those from victims of abuse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_person_syndrome

When Battered Person Syndrome (BPS) manifests as PTSD, it consists of the following symptoms: (a) re-experiencing the battering as if it were recurring even when it is not, (b) attempts to avoid the psychological impact of battering by avoiding activities, people, and emotions, (c) hyperarousal or hypervigilance, (d) disrupted interpersonal relationships, (e) body image distortion or other somatic concerns, and (f) sexuality and intimacy issues.[7]

Additionally, repeated cycles of violence and reconciliation can result in the following beliefs and attitudes:[8]

The abused thinks that the violence was his or her fault.
The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere.
The abused fears for her/his life, and/or, the lives of loved ones whom the abuser might or has threatened to harm (e.g., children-in-common, close relatives or friends).
The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient.

Squeaky, you are free to be a glutton for punishment ... whatever floats your boat. However, you are not free to spread such misinformation that puts the blame on the abused rather than the abuser ... unchallenged.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 10:48 AM
I said
lol I want to see her tell that to God on judgment day.

I would love to see your defend your defense of abusers ... on judgment day.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 10:50 AM
I said
Like I said I never said he beat her. He only hit her. Which cause us the beatings. But I'm not blameing anyone for anything we deserved it.

Disagreeing with a man/husband is not reason enough to HIT his spouse. No child deserves *beatings* (your word).

You need serious help.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:52 AM
The HS will teach us what Jesus taught us by giving us His word.

reference?

Faithfulness is not pushing abusive practice, brother. Protecting children is not luke warmness.

I said
Faithfulness is taking God at His Word.

Heb 10:30-31
30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The Lord will judge His people."
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:56 AM
As I stated before, the arguments and excuses you are using are the same as those from victims of abuse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_person_syndrome

When Battered Person Syndrome (BPS) manifests as PTSD, it consists of the following symptoms: (a) re-experiencing the battering as if it were recurring even when it is not, (b) attempts to avoid the psychological impact of battering by avoiding activities, people, and emotions, (c) hyperarousal or hypervigilance, (d) disrupted interpersonal relationships, (e) body image distortion or other somatic concerns, and (f) sexuality and intimacy issues.[7]

Additionally, repeated cycles of violence and reconciliation can result in the following beliefs and attitudes:[8]

The abused thinks that the violence was his or her fault.
The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere.
The abused fears for her/his life, and/or, the lives of loved ones whom the abuser might or has threatened to harm (e.g., children-in-common, close relatives or friends).
The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient.

Squeaky, you are free to be a glutton for punishment ... whatever floats your boat. However, you are not free to spread such misinformation that puts the blame on the abused rather than the abuser ... unchallenged.

I said
lol Your going to read to me from what man has found walking without God. You don't need to be in a Christian forum. This is a God lead thread. Its away out of your league.

Rom 12:19-21
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
(NKJ)


Its obvious that you are very sensual.

Jude 1:19
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 10:58 AM
I would love to see your defend your defense of abusers ... on judgment day.

I said
Your really going to have to do something about that wild imagination. I have never defended abusers. I am defending the Gospel. Your blaspheming the Gospel.


Rom 12:19-21
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
(NKJ)

Jude 1:19
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
(NKJ)

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 11:00 AM
I said
lol Your going to read to me from what man has found walking without God.

You set a deplorable example for a man ... Christian or otherwise.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:01 AM
Disagreeing with a man/husband is not reason enough to HIT his spouse. No child deserves *beatings* (your word).

You need serious help.

I said
When the man is doing what God told him to do discipline the children and the woman jumps in to stop him that is a sin. Your showing God what you would do to Him if you were married to Him. And God kills people.


Eph 5:22
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
(NKJ)

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 11:02 AM
I said
lol Your going to read to me from what man has found walking without God. You don't need to be in a Christian forum. This is a God lead thread. Its away out of your league.

God lead? No this is all Squeaky lead. If you knew how bad you're making yourself look in this thread to those who are reading what you're saying you would close it and not say another word.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:02 AM
You set a deplorable example for a man ... Christian or otherwise.

I said
But I make an excellent Christian.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:05 AM
God lead? No this is all Squeaky lead. If you knew how bad you're making yourself look in this thread to those who are reading what you're saying you would close it and not say another word.

I said
lolol But if you know how good I looked to God for standing up for His Word and His truth, you wouldn't have said that.

Gal 1:10-11
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
(NKJ)

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 11:06 AM
I said
When the man is doing what God told him to do discipline the children and the woman jumps in to stop him that is a sin. Your showing God what you would do to Him if you were married to Him. And God kills people. (NKJ)


I said
The problem with society today is everyone has their own definition for abusive. A man is raised to believe he is the one for the discipline. My dad used to really beat us kids when we messed up. My mother would get in the way and he would have to hit her. Then when he got to us he was twice as mad. She thought she was helping but she wasn't. She only made him twice as mad. We used to ask her to not but in. But her emotions always got in it. She thought she was helping us kids. But she was making it worse.

There is a difference between a spanking and BEATING. Your words, not mine.

Discipline does not equate to beating one's children and hitting one's spouse.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 11:09 AM
I said
But I make an excellent Christian.

You think so? The only one who is identifying you as Christian is ... you.

As a matter of act, your dismissal of women and children and defense of abuse towards them sets an extremely bad example for any religion.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:14 AM
There is a difference between a spanking and BEATING. Your words, not mine.

Discipline does not equate to beating one's children and hitting one's spouse.

I said
The best thing you could do for yourself is get rid of that wild imagination. You are away to sensual to be a Christian. Ok spanking.
Jude 1:19
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
(NKJ)

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 11:15 AM
I said
lolol But if you know how good I looked to God for standing up for His Word and His truth, you wouldn't have said that.

You're not standing up for His Word. You're just using it to justify your legalistic and misogynistic viewpoint while twisting the scriptures to make excuses for turning a blind eye to abuse.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:17 AM
You think so? The only one who is identifying you as Christian is ... you.

As a matter of act, your dismissal of women and children and defense of abuse towards them sets an extremely bad example for any religion.

I said
lolol Boy when you get something stuck in the chamber you cant get rid of it can you. I have never defending abuse.
When I say something happened that is a fact. That is not defending it or condemning it. Its just a fact. but you and that wild imagination goes off on a rant. You must see all kinds of stuff up there when you open your imagination and listen to all them emotions.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 11:19 AM
I said
The best thing you could do for yourself is get rid of that wild imagination. You are away to sensual to be a Christian. Ok spanking

My *imagination* did not make you post the words BEAT or HIT. The reason you are backtracking now is because you were called out for defending this type of abuse.

IF you believe I am wrong, call your nearest police department and tell them you are going to beat your wife and children and see how they respond.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:20 AM
You're not standing up for His Word. You're just using it to justify your legalistic and misogynistic viewpoint while twisting the scriptures to make excuses for turning a blind eye to abuse.

I said
lolo Later your going to have to explain what this means "legalistic and misogynistic .

But for now what abuse what blind eye?

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 11:22 AM
You're not standing up for His Word. You're just using it to justify your legalistic and misogynistic viewpoint while twisting the scriptures to make excuses for turning a blind eye to abuse.

He not only turns a blind eye, but he also condones it.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:24 AM
My *imagination* did not make you post the words BEAT or HIT. The reason you are backtracking now is because you were called out for defending this type of abuse.

IF you believe I am wrong, call your nearest police department and tell them you are going to beat your wife and children and see how they respond.

I said
I was a truck driver. I got on a truck with a guy that was real sad. I asked him why? He said he was upset because he hit his wife and that was wrong. I asked him why he hit her, he said does it matter. I said yes. He said he came in off the road the other day and caught his wife with another man, and she threw a knife at him. It stuck in the wall right beside his head.
Do you think he was wrong for hitting her, to save his own life?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:26 AM
He not only turns a blind eye, but he also condones it.

I said
What is your problem? scatch that I know what it is. You don't have the Holy Spirit, you are two sensual.

Jude 1:19
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
(NKJ)

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 11:36 AM
I said
I was a truck driver. I got on a truck with a guy that was real sad. I asked him why? He said he was upset because he hit his wife and that was wrong. I asked him why he hit her, he said does it matter. I said yes. He said he came in off the road the other day and caught his wife with another man, and she threw a knife at him. It stuck in the wall right beside his head.
Do you think he was wrong for hitting her, to save his own life?

Seriously ... THAT is self-defense, not domestic violence. What you described was not self-defense but rather domestic abuse towards a wife defending her children from a beating.


I said
What is your problem? scatch that I know what it is. You don't have the Holy Spirit, you are two sensual.

I don't believe for a second that the Holy Spirit is the cause of you defending domestic violence and blaming the abused.

As I said before, it is a typical pattern for children who see and live through what you described as going on to condone it OR participate in it.

When I found out I was pregnant, my ex-husband stated he was going to deal with our children just as his father dealt with him and his brother. When they did something wrong, he would beat them.

The same ex also described he and his younger brother hiding behind furniture while dear old dad beat mom ... in one instance, knocking her out cold.

Abusers learn that abuse is okay when they view victims accepting the abuse.

You are just wrong on this on so many levels.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 11:45 AM
Seriously ... THAT is self-defense, not domestic violence. What you described was not self-defense but rather domestic abuse towards a wife defending her children from a beating.



I don't believe for a second that the Holy Spirit is the cause of you defending domestic violence and blaming the abused.

As I said before, it is a typical pattern for children who see and live through what you described as going on to condone it OR participate in it.

When I found out I was pregnant, my ex-husband stated he was going to deal with our children just as his father dealt with him and his brother. When they did something wrong, he would beat them.

The same ex also described he and his younger brother hiding behind furniture while dear old dad beat mom ... in one instance, knocking her out cold.

Abusers learn that abuse is okay when they view victims accepting the abuse.

You are just wrong on this on so many levels.

I said
No I described a woman rejecting God and His Word to but in. and make things worse for her children. You tried to make it ugly.

Now your trying to turn everything around with your gross exaggerations and in steal them in everyone else. Because of your own bitterness.

Maybe its that bitterness that has kept you from finding God.

Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

You see we were kids and her defending us showed us that he was just mean. We never did learn the importance of discipline. So we never knew that God would discipline us. So when something bad happened to us we never repented. Don't you see what you women are doing to the children.

Heb 12:6-12
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives."
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees,
(NKJ)

Interplanner
August 30th, 2015, 11:51 AM
Squeaky,
very annoying how you quote the Bible. Did the abuser 'miss the grace of God' or did the one who was abused? Heb 12:15.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 12:06 PM
I said
No I described a woman rejecting God and His Word to but in. and make things worse for her children. You tried to make it ugly.

Tried? I quoted you ... word for word. IF you find your own words ugly, time for a makeover.

bybee
August 30th, 2015, 12:16 PM
[QUOTE=Squeaky;4432168]I said
No I described a woman rejecting God and His Word to but in. and make things worse for her children. You tried to make it ugly.

Now your trying to turn everything around with your gross exaggerations and in steal them in everyone else. Because of your own bitterness.

Maybe its that bitterness that has kept you from finding God.

Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

You see we were kids and her defending us showed us that he was just mean. We never did learn the importance of discipline. So we never knew that God would discipline us. So when something bad happened to us we never repented. Don't you see what you women are doing to the children.

Heb 12:6-12
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives."
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees,
(NKJ)[/QUOTE

You are a sick, warped human being. Did you beat your wife and children? Are they still with you?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 12:25 PM
Squeaky,
very annoying how you quote the Bible. Did the abuser 'miss the grace of God' or did the one who was abused? Heb 12:15.

I said
With everyone being a sinner does it matter. Nothing happens outside the will of God.

Matt 10:29-30
29 "Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father's will.
30 "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 12:27 PM
Tried? I quoted you ... word for word. IF you find your own words ugly, time for a makeover.

I said
lol You cant quote me word for word without putting your exaggerations on it.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 12:28 PM
I said
With everyone being a sinner does it matter. Nothing happens outside the will of God.
(NKJ)

Child abuse and domestic violence matters very much. Every parent should believe this ... rather than defend it.

Don't blame your misogyny on God.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 12:28 PM
[QUOTE=Squeaky;4432168]I said
No I described a woman rejecting God and His Word to but in. and make things worse for her children. You tried to make it ugly.

Now your trying to turn everything around with your gross exaggerations and in steal them in everyone else. Because of your own bitterness.

Maybe its that bitterness that has kept you from finding God.

Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

You see we were kids and her defending us showed us that he was just mean. We never did learn the importance of discipline. So we never knew that God would discipline us. So when something bad happened to us we never repented. Don't you see what you women are doing to the children.

Heb 12:6-12
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives."
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees,
(NKJ)[/QUOTE

You are a sick, warped human being. Did you beat your wife and children? Are they still with you?

I said
What are you talking about?

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 12:29 PM
I said
lol You cant quote me word for word without putting your exaggerations on it.

I did ... and I did not exaggerate. There is a reason people are responding to you as they are Squeaky ... and it has nothing to do with me.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 12:32 PM
I did ... and I did not exaggerate. There is a reason people are responding to you as they are Squeaky ... and it has nothing to do with me.

I said
I know why. Emotions. The Word of God always arouses emotions in people that cant control them.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 12:34 PM
I said
I know why. Emotions.

Do you have emotions? IF not, why do you believe that is? I have my suspicions.

Go ahead.

serpentdove
August 30th, 2015, 12:37 PM
...God is very smart and the same things men require of women are also required of men...

Men and women have different responsibilities before the Lord (1 Cor. 11:3–7).

As a reminder Lazy Afternoon is number 11 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86620) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:

serpentdove
August 30th, 2015, 12:43 PM
Not everywoman has a godly husband. They don't apply God's word in their personal lives. So what wives supposed to do in that situation? Submitting to hypocritical husbands?...

You were to submit (1 Pet. 3:5, 6). You kicked him to the curb instead. :idunno: He needed a godly woman.

As a reminder Meshak is number 17 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86620) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:

serpentdove
August 30th, 2015, 12:46 PM
...Jesus did say that the spouse who was cheated on may remarry.

False (Rom. 7:2, 3). :dizzy:

See:

Divorce & Remarriage: A Position Paper (http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/divorce-remarriage-a-position-paper)by John Piper

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 12:47 PM
Do you have emotions? IF not, why do you believe that is? I have my suspicions.

Go ahead.

I said
Oh I used to have many. I was like you. But the Lord delivered me from them. Now before you go stumbling around I put up a revelation on "Emotions" but it also has affections in there also. Just like in our conversations. Your emotions are fighting against my Holy Spirit. They are contrary to one another. That is the way it is.

Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
(NKJ)

Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
(NKJ)

serpentdove
August 30th, 2015, 12:48 PM
Nothing happens outside the will of God...

God has a determined will and a permissive will. :dizzy: Heb 4:13

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 12:51 PM
God has a determined will and a permissive will. :dizzy: Heb 4:13

I said
could you show me where it says that?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 12:53 PM
You were to submit (1 Pet. 3:5, 6). You kicked him to the curb instead. :idunno: He needed a godly woman.

As a reminder Meshak is number 17 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86620) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:

I said
I want to know why I'm not number one on that list. I refuted every verse and every piece of evidence you all could come up with.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 01:15 PM
I said
Oh I used to have many. I was like you. But the Lord delivered me from them.

I don't believe for a second that that is what happened. You have allowed your thinking to become twisted and because of the horrific actions of one man, you are lashing out at women with blame.

The Bible does not condone spousal or child abuse.

Colossians 3:19 ESV Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.

Psalm 11:5 ESV The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 ESV Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 Peter 3:7 ESV Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

Colossians 3:21 ESV Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.

James 1:19-20 ESV Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

1 Timothy 3:1-6 ESV The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? ...

Matthew 18:10 ESV See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.

serpentdove
August 30th, 2015, 01:17 PM
I said
could you show me where it says that?

Ps 16:5

God will be glorified (Ac 21:20) whether men are good or evil (Is 61:3).

See:

Does God Elect Everyone? (http://www.vananne.com/armorofthelord/Does%20God%20Elect%20Everyone.pdf)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:01 PM
I don't believe for a second that that is what happened. You have allowed your thinking to become twisted and because of the horrific actions of one man, you are lashing out at women with blame.

The Bible does not condone spousal or child abuse.

Colossians 3:19 ESV Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.

Psalm 11:5 ESV The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 ESV Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 Peter 3:7 ESV Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

Colossians 3:21 ESV Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.

James 1:19-20 ESV Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

1 Timothy 3:1-6 ESV The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? ...

Matthew 18:10 ESV See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.

I said
ROFLOL Your not going to turn this around. You started the beating and the abuse. With your wild imagination. your the one that is full of bitterness. I love my dad for trying to teach me about punishment and chastisments. I just wish I could have learned it earlier. I wish my mother and I love her to . I wish she wouldn't have been so full of them emotions. it says without punishment there is no way of knowing God loves us. Because without punishment it says we are bastards.

Heb 12:6-12
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives."
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees,
(NKJ)[/QUOTE

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:04 PM
[QUOTE=Rusha;4432297]I don't believe for a second that that is what happened. You have allowed your thinking to become twisted and because of the horrific actions of one man, you are lashing out at women with blame.

I said
Don't forget this one.

Heb 12:8
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
(KJV)

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 02:11 PM
I said
ROFLOL Your not going to turn this around. You started the beating and the abuse.

I didn't *need* to turn anything around. Your posts are plain to see. Your decision to blame abuse on wives for not minding their husbands is still available.

Have you noticed that no one on this thread is agreeing with you?

Perhaps your next thread should be directed at your pride ...

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:17 PM
I didn't *need* to turn anything around. Your posts are plain to see. Your decision to blame abuse on wives for not minding their husbands is still available.

Have you noticed that no one on this thread is agreeing with you?

Perhaps your next thread should be directed at your pride ...

I said
You really don't hear very well. I never blamed all wives for all abuse. I never even blamed my mother for abuse. I said I think she made it worse. But I never said to the point of abuse. I do sympathize with you having to listen to all them thoughts that are coming out of you. I don't think you even see how you make everything so ugly.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:20 PM
Your so quick to exaggerate you never ask the good questions. Like were you a religious family. Which I would say no. What were you like as a kid? I was tough and liked to fight. My dad tried to teach me that was wrong but I didn't believe anything he said. Because my mother taught me he is bad. I know now he was trying to teach me as well as he could. But I had just to much influence from my mom.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 02:21 PM
I said
Faithfulness is taking God at His Word.

Of course, but your approve of staying in abusive marriage if not of Jesus.

You need to know Jesus is love. Love does not approve of abuse.

You need to speak against remarriage, not staying abusive marriage.

You know, Jesus says love one another. Abuse is not included in love.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 02:23 PM
I said
You really don't hear very well. I never blamed all wives for all abuse. I never even blamed my mother for abuse. I said I think she made it worse. But I never said to the point of abuse. I do sympathize with you having to listen to all them thoughts that are coming out of you. I don't think you even see how you make everything so ugly.

It is not *my* views that are ugly, but rather your responses in this thread.

The job of a mother and father are to protect their children. You are faulting your mother for trying to step in and protect you. THAT is done out of love.

You keep insisting you didn't state to the point of abuse, but still yet, you used the word "beat" when giving your analogy.

Spanking does NOT mean beating. Men do not have the authority to beat their wives ... or their children. Discipline does not equal beating.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 02:25 PM
I said
You really don't hear very well. I never blamed all wives for all abuse. I never even blamed my mother for abuse. I said I think she made it worse. But I never said to the point of abuse. I do sympathize with you having to listen to all them thoughts that are coming out of you. I don't think you even see how you make everything so ugly.

You need to know violence is not love. Your mother did not make it worse. Your father did not control himself. He is the culprit.

If your mother did not try to protect her children, she is not fit to be a mother. she did the right thing, brother.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 02:26 PM
Your so quick to exaggerate you never ask the good questions. Like were you a religious family. Which I would say no. What were you like as a kid? I was tough and liked to fight. My dad tried to teach me that was wrong but I didn't believe anything he said. Because my mother taught me he is bad. I know now he was trying to teach me as well as he could. But I had just to much influence from my mom.

You can't teach a bully to not be a bully by being a ... bully.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:36 PM
Of course, but your approve of staying in abusive marriage if not of Jesus.

You need to know Jesus is love. Love does not approve of abuse.

You need to speak against remarriage, not staying abusive marriage.

You know, Jesus says love one another. Abuse is not included in love.

I said
God gave us the only reason He would accept for divorce. The only one. Don't get mad at me for showing the truth.

Matt 5:32
32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:41 PM
It is not *my* views that are ugly, but rather your responses in this thread.

The job of a mother and father are to protect their children. You are faulting your mother for trying to step in and protect you. THAT is done out of love.

You keep insisting you didn't state to the point of abuse, but still yet, you used the word "beat" when giving your analogy.

Spanking does NOT mean beating. Men do not have the authority to beat their wives ... or their children. Discipline does not equal beating.

I said
No it isn't . She stepped in because of emotions. Love is not an emotion. Your so quick to make it ugly. To a child any spanking is a beating. I didn't know that someone that is sensual was going to pop a cork like you did. You introduced the words abuse, wife beating.
Do you know what sensual means? sensitive. Emotional.

Jude 1:19
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
(NKJ)

bybee
August 30th, 2015, 02:43 PM
I said
No it isn't . She stepped in because of emotions. Love is not an emotion. Your so quick to make it ugly. To a child any spanking is a beating. I didn't know that someone that is sensual was going to pop a cork like you did. You introduced the words abuse, wife beating.
Do you know what sensual means? sensitive. Emotional.

Jude 1:19
19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
(NKJ)

If anyone would actually strike me with hand or fist or weapon that would be abuse.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:44 PM
You need to know violence is not love. Your mother did not make it worse. Your father did not control himself. He is the culprit.

If your mother did not try to protect her children, she is not fit to be a mother. she did the right thing, brother.

I said
A mother that gets between her husband and her children forget one very important thing. Them are his children to. And you might to your ideas out on God. Let me know how that comes out.
Heb 12:6-12
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives."
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees,
(NKJ)[/QUOTE

bybee
August 30th, 2015, 02:47 PM
Your so quick to exaggerate you never ask the good questions. Like were you a religious family. Which I would say no. What were you like as a kid? I was tough and liked to fight. My dad tried to teach me that was wrong but I didn't believe anything he said. Because my mother taught me he is bad. I know now he was trying to teach me as well as he could. But I had just to much influence from my mom.

It is your father who was ugly and depraved. Your mother did not strike you or hurt you. She sought to protect you from the harm which your putrid, violent father was subjecting you to.
You seem to dislike women very much and I cannot understand it.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:47 PM
If anyone would actually strike me with hand or fist or weapon that would be abuse.

I said
That is a gross exaggeration. Then you think God abuses people?


Heb 12:6-12
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives."
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.

9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.

11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees,
(NKJ)[/QUOTE

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 02:49 PM
It is your father who was ugly and depraved. Your mother did not strike you or hurt you. She sought to protect you from the harm which your putrid, violent father was subjecting you to.
You seem to dislike women very much and I cannot understand it.

I said
My dad was trying to obey God. My Mom is disobeying God.

Heb 12:6-12
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives."
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees,
(NKJ)[/QUOTE

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 02:58 PM
I said
No it isn't . She stepped in because of emotions. Love is not an emotion. Your so quick to make it ugly. To a child any spanking is a beating. I didn't know that someone that is sensual was going to pop a cork like you did. You introduced the words abuse, wife beating.

You described your father as beating your mother. The image is either lovely OR ugly. Which is it?

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 02:59 PM
I said
A mother that gets between her husband and her children forget one very important thing. Them are his children to.


So what? Ownership does not equal the right to beating. For EITHER parent.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 03:01 PM
I said
My dad was trying to obey God. My Mom is disobeying God.

You are really brainwashed in such a way that you see a loving, protective mother as the bad guy.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 03:02 PM
You described your father as beating your mother. The image is either lovely OR ugly. Which is it?

I said
No I didn't I said he hit her. That was just to get her off him. So he could do what he was suppose to do. Spank us kids.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 03:04 PM
So what? Ownership does not equal the right to beating. For EITHER parent.

I said
There you go again with that gross exaggeration. I said ok I'll call it a spanking because your so sensual.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 03:08 PM
You are really brainwashed in such a way that you see a loving, protective mother as the bad guy.

I said
No your so bitter because of your upbringing you want to control everyone else your way. In the old testament it was spare the rod spoil the child. In the new testament its chastise them. God's creation, God's rules. you have been bitter so long that it has defiled you.

Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

What do you do when kids want to wrestle or have a boxing match?
for fun.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 03:12 PM
I said
God gave us the only reason He would accept for divorce. The only one. Don't get mad at me for showing the truth.

Matt 5:32
32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
(NKJ)

So it is ok to remarry if your spouse cheats you?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 03:22 PM
So it is ok to remarry if your spouse cheats you?

I said
You do have that choice.

1 Cor 7:15
15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 03:25 PM
I said
You do have that choice.

1 Cor 7:15
15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace.
(NKJ)

I am talking about believers who divorce and remarry for cheating.

So it is ok to divorce your spouse?

Nick M
August 30th, 2015, 03:30 PM
I am unconvinced that God would want a man or a woman to be bound in an abusive or adulterous relationship.



You could always go with what God said (through is prophets) regarding the exact issue you bring up.

bybee
August 30th, 2015, 03:32 PM
I am talking about believers who divorce and remarry for cheating.

So it is ok to divorce your spouse?

Would a believer commit adultery?

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 03:34 PM
Would a believer commit adultery?

I know many, many Christians divorce and remarry.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 03:37 PM
I said
No your so bitter because of your upbringing you want to control everyone else your way. In the old testament it was spare the rod spoil the child. In the new testament its chastise them. God's creation, God's rules. you have been bitter so long that it has defiled you.

As usual, you have no clue. My *upbringing* was in a Christian home, with private, Christian schooling. Spanking, in my case, just wasn't a necessity. I was respectful to my parents and obeyed their rules. My sister, not so much. She did receive spankings ... but NOT beatings. You don't seem to know the difference.


What do you do when kids want to wrestle or have a boxing match?for fun.

At 31 and 26, my children are a bit old for wrestling and boxing matches.

As children, my son wrestled on a wrestling team. He also played football, baseball and basketball. No need to punch his sisters. Besides, he was raised to understand that only a lowlife coward goes around beating up on girls and women.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 04:07 PM
I am talking about believers who divorce and remarry for cheating.

So it is ok to divorce your spouse?


I said
Who ever does the cheating becomes a non believer.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 04:08 PM
Would a believer commit adultery?

I said
No. If they did they would become a non believer.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 04:11 PM
As usual, you have no clue. My *upbringing* was in a Christian home, with private, Christian schooling. Spanking, in my case, just wasn't a necessity. I was respectful to my parents and obeyed their rules. My sister, not so much. She did receive spankings ... but NOT beatings. You don't seem to know the difference.



At 31 and 26, my children are a bit old for wrestling and boxing matches.

As children, my son wrestled on a wrestling team. He also played football, baseball and basketball. No need to punch his sisters. Besides, he was raised to understand that only a lowlife coward goes around beating up on girls and women.

I said
I don't approve of it, but I do understand it. And it happens in the homes of non believers. When I seen it, it was in a home of non believers. Us.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 04:13 PM
I said
I don't approve of it, but I do understand it..

You don't approve of me being raised in a Christian home? You make no sense.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 04:31 PM
You don't approve of me being raised in a Christian home? You make no sense.

I said
ROFLOL Again with the gross exaggerations. Do you even know you do it????? What do you mean "I don't approve". Why in the world would I not approve?

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 04:36 PM
I said
ROFLOL Again with the gross exaggerations. Do you even know you do it????? What do you mean "I don't approve". Why in the world would I not approve?

Your response 149. I don't know why you don't approve ... regardless of the fact that your approval is not necessary.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 04:46 PM
I said
I don't approve of it, but I do understand it. And it happens in the homes of non believers. When I seen it, it was in a home of non believers. Us.




Your response 149. I don't know why you don't approve ... regardless of the fact that your approval is not necessary.

I said
Focus what have we been talking about???? The hitting wives, and beating children.

Desert Reign
August 30th, 2015, 04:53 PM
Women have always had it a little easier than man. If a woman submits to her husband God will teach her. If she rebels against her husband the devil will teach her. Man must submit to Jesus.


Proselytising for Islam again, eh Squeaky?

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 05:07 PM
I said
Focus what have we been talking about???? The hitting wives, and beating children.

Of which you made excuses for ...

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 05:12 PM
I said
I don't approve of it, but I do understand it. And it happens in the homes of non believers. When I seen it, it was in a home of non believers. Us.

When the man is doing what God told him to do discipline the children and the woman jumps in to stop him that is a sin. Your showing God what you would do to Him if you were married to Him. And God kills people.
A nonbeliever doing what God told him to?

I have never defending abuse

You see we were kids and her defending us showed us that he was just mean. We never did learn the importance of discipline. So we never knew that God would discipline us. So when something bad happened to us we never repented. Don't you see what you women are doing to the children.

A mother that gets between her husband and her children forget one very important thing. Them are his children to. And you might to your ideas out on God. Let me know how that comes out.

My dad was trying to obey God. My Mom is disobeying God.

I have never defended abusers. I am defending the Gospel. Your blaspheming the Gospel.
You continually defend your dad who was the abuser and blame your mother for trying to protect you, saying that she sinned, that she is the one who disobeyed God. So yes you are defending an abuser. You approve of abuse.

My dad used to really beat us kids when we messed up. My mother would get in the way and he would have to hit her...
The Gospel isn't about approving of abuse. You try to justify abuse with scriptures. If anybody blasphemed it's you.

Nick M
August 30th, 2015, 05:16 PM
Proselytising for Islam again, eh Squeaky?

He says man must submit to Jesus. Well, the Lord Jesus Christ said to Paul that husbands are to love their wife as they love themselves. He left that part off.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:30 PM
Proselytising for Islam again, eh Squeaky?

I said
lololo What is wrong with you?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:30 PM
Of which you made excuses for ...

I said
Not excuses, reasons.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 05:33 PM
I said
Who ever does the cheating becomes a non believer.

Abuser or tyrant is a different story?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:33 PM
A nonbeliever doing what God told him to?



You continually defend your dad who was the abuser and blame your mother for trying to protect you, saying that she sinned, that she is the one who disobeyed God. So yes you are defending an abuser.



I said
You constantly try to justify the woman and according to the word it cant be done. My Dad went to church for about 3 months. And learned a little. But when they said he had to pay tithes he quit.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:34 PM
He says man must submit to Jesus. Well, the Lord Jesus Christ said to Paul that husbands are to love their wife as they love themselves.

I said
And if you love them you will teach them.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:35 PM
Abuser or tyrant is a different story?

I said
Your right, that doesn't fall under fornication.

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 05:36 PM
I said
You constantly try to justify the woman and according to the word it cant be done. My Dad went to church for about 3 months. And learned a little. But when they said he had to pay tithes he quit.
Which one was trying to protect the kids, your father or your mother?

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 05:38 PM
I said
Your right, that doesn't fall under fornication.

Wow, I am disappointed with you.

I thought you knew Jesus very well.

You know the verses but you don't seem to know how to apply Jesus' principle in real life.

That's what happens when your Lord is Paul.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:44 PM
Which one was trying to protect the kids, your father or your mother?

I said
My dad was trying to teach the kids. And my mom was trying to stop him. To show you how ridiculous it was. My dad was 6 foot tall 200 pounds. my mom was 4'9. We were going to get a spanking which we deserved, and she would attack him. We as children automaticly thought he was wrong and just mean. He was trying to prepare us for life. We wasn't ready and all went to the wrong side. Because we didn't know right from wrong. I was 27 before I ever opened a bible to look for the truth about life. Boy was I in for a big surprise.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 05:46 PM
I said
And if you love them you will teach them.

And if he is not fit to *teach* ...

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 05:48 PM
I said
My dad was trying to teach the kids. And my mom was trying to stop him. To show you how ridiculous it was. My dad was 6 foot tall 200 pounds. my mom was 4'9.

Do you believe size plus might determines who is right?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:50 PM
And if he is not fit to *teach* ...

I said
Who are you to judge God. The man didn't have a vote, he was appointed by God to teach.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:51 PM
Do you believe size plus might determines who is right?

I said
I believe the Word of God determines who is right. You should try reading it.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 05:54 PM
I said
I believe the Word of God determines who is right. You should try reading it.

Was your Dad faithful Christian?

It seems clear that he was nothing but tyrant. He is not fit to teach anyone.

You don't seem to know what God is all about.

Do you know Jesus scoffed scholars?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 05:56 PM
Was your Dad faithful Christian?

It seems clear that he was nothing but tyrant. He is not fit to teach anyone.

You don't seem to know what God is all about.

Do you know Jesus scoffed scholars?

I said
No he wasn't. But he also wasn't a tyrant.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 06:00 PM
I said
No he wasn't. But he also wasn't a tyrant.

You speak against your mother who was trying to stop your dad beating the kids.

Your discernment is way off.

You don't know the basic of Christianity.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 06:02 PM
And you endorse easy remarriages.

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 06:03 PM
I said
No he wasn't. But he also wasn't a tyrant.
Oh of course not. He just beat his kids and hit his wife.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 06:04 PM
I said
Who are you to judge God.

I am judging *you* ...

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 06:18 PM
Oh of course not. He just beat his kids and hit his wife.

I said
Like I said I don't approve of it today. But I do understand it back then.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 06:19 PM
I am judging *you* ...

I said
No I'm just showing it to you. And you reject it. Its Gods laws not mine. Although I do believe in them. I'm surprised that anyone could grow up in a Christian home and not know any more than you do.

truthjourney
August 30th, 2015, 06:20 PM
I said
Like I said I don't approve of it today. But I do understand it back then.
Yet you are defending it and approving of it today.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 06:20 PM
I said
Like I said I don't approve of it today. But I do understand it back then.

Uh huh ... because a beating didn't leave red marks, cuts or broken bones back then ...

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 06:22 PM
Uh huh ... because a beating didn't leave red marks, cuts or broken bones back then ...

I said
Didn't you learn anything in the bible about gross exaggerations. Now your going to bring in marks, cuts or broken bones in the mix.

Ktoyou
August 30th, 2015, 06:29 PM
I said
The problem with society today is everyone has their own definition for abusive. A man is raised to believe he is the one for the discipline. My dad used to really beat us kids when we messed up. My mother would get in the way and he would have to hit her. Then when he got to us he was twice as mad. She thought she was helping but she wasn't. She only made him twice as mad. We used to ask her to not but in. But her emotions always got in it. She thought she was helping us kids. But she was making it worse.


Now I see why you are so estranged to emotions. Your father was abusive to you and your mother. Now all these years later, you are defending his actions. This is identifying with the aggressor, and common among persons who were abused as children. You are emotionally estranged to your feelings because the pain you once felt is now repressed.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 06:31 PM
My neighbor friend's dad beat his kids on a regular bases and her one year is deaf because of his beating. And she does not think it is a big deal.

You see, they were non-Christian. And you talk like non-believer. Violent people are not of Jesus. Teaching kids should not be beating.

Jesus does not endorse violence.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 06:32 PM
Now I see why you are so estranged to emotions. Your father was abusive to you and your mother. Now all these years later, you are defending his actions. This is identifying with the aggressor, and common among persons who were abused as children. You are emotionally estranged to your feelings because the pain you once felt is now repressed.

I said
ROFLOL Thanks for the sycho babble. ONE MORE TIME I'M NOT DEFENDING HIM. I just said I understand him.

Matt 10:16
16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 06:36 PM
I want to thank all you women for coming on the thread. And don't take this the wrong way but none of you have the slightest clue as to what love really is. And your emotions have been flowing all day.

Ktoyou
August 30th, 2015, 06:40 PM
There is no such thing as "sycho babble". You are lacking in education to think there is such a notion. You need counseling!

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 06:43 PM
There is no such thing as "sycho babble". You are lacking in education to think there is such a notion. You need counseling!

I said
ROFLOL From who a sycho babbler? lololo

Ktoyou
August 30th, 2015, 06:56 PM
I said
ROFLOL From who a sycho babbler? lololo

Your writing does not make sense. It seems to me you copy Scripture to avoid having to write much? Did you ever finish high school?

Also note: I never said anything contrary to your 'women in their place' notion. Doing such would be akin to teaching Calculus to a student who never learned Algebra. There is nothing emotional in my response; you are emotionally reading this into my post. So much for you not having emotions; you have is disturbed emotions.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 07:02 PM
Your writing does not make sense. It seems to me you copy Scripture to avoid having to write much? Did you ever finish high school?

Also note: I never said anything contrary to your 'women in their place' notion. Doing such would be akin to teaching Calculus to a student who never learned Algebra. There is nothing emotional in my response; you are emotionally reading this into my post. So much for you not having emotions; you have is disturbed emotions.

I said
Humor is not an emotion. Do you know the difference between emotions and affections?
I just barely got through high school. I think the only reason the passed me was nobody wanted me back in their class.
lololol I had one teacher that would bust me and this other kid before class for what we were going to do wrong later.

Ktoyou
August 30th, 2015, 07:06 PM
No more. I am not going to play silly games with you.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 07:13 PM
No more. I am not going to play silly games with you.

I said
Well good. Do you want to talk bible?

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 07:21 PM
I want to thank all you women for coming on the thread. And don't take this the wrong way but none of you have the slightest clue as to what love really is. And your emotions have been flowing all day.

Violence is not love.

You don't know Jesus, friend.

Ktoyou
August 30th, 2015, 07:25 PM
Violence is not love.

You don't know Jesus, friend.

I agree with you on this.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 07:26 PM
Violence is not love.

You don't know Jesus, friend.

I said
Your right. But turning the other cheek to violence is love.

Matt 5:39-48
39 "But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
40 "If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also.
41 "And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.
42 "Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
45 "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47 "And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?
48 "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 07:29 PM
I said
Your right. But turning the other cheek to violence is love.



You are using adult measure to beat the children.

You seem to be heartless.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 07:31 PM
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind.

You are missing most important part; heart.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 07:34 PM
You are using adult measure to beat the children.

You seem to be heartless.

I said
again with the gross exaggerations. I'm not beating children, I'm not condoning it. I don't approve of it. what is with you girls.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 07:35 PM
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind.

You are missing most important part; heart.

I said
Tell me what the heart is. Then i'll know whether or not I am.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 07:37 PM
I said
Your right. But turning the other cheek to violence is love.

No, it's not. What else can a child do BUT turn the other cheek to the violence of a parent who beats them?

For a mother to turn the other cheek to the violence towards her children is unloving towards her CHILDREN and herself.

There is no good reason for women to tolerate such abuse toward their child OR themselves.

IF a man walked up and punched you in the face, how would you respond? IF he punched your wife or children in the face, how would you respond?

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 07:39 PM
I said
again with the gross exaggerations. I'm not beating children, I'm not condoning it. I don't approve of it. what is with you girls.

You condoned your fathers' beating by saying he was just teaching. And God is giving him authority to do it.

Pride is not so good thing to have, squeaky.

You are rely on too much on Paul's harsh teachings.

It is plain legalism.

Legalism comes from heartless faith.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 07:43 PM
I said
Tell me what the heart is. Then i'll know whether or not I am.

Heart is for compassion for weak, oppressed, powerless and so on.

Jesus came down for oppressed. There are all kinds of people in this category.

You don't know because you don't know what Jesus is all about.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 07:44 PM
You rely on too much on Paul's teachings.

You need to concentrate on Jesus' word.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 07:44 PM
No, it's not. What else can a child do BUT turn the other cheek to the violence of a parent who beats them?

For a mother to turn the other cheek to the violence towards her children is unloving towards her CHILDREN and herself.

There is no good reason for women to tolerate such abuse toward their child OR themselves.

IF a man walked up and punched you in the face, how would you respond? IF he punched your wife or children in the face, how would you respond?

I said
I would hope that I could turn the other cheek and ask them why they done that. The devil knows how to arouse your demons. He does it with foolish questions and your imagination. Look how you feel. You don't have to entertain them question in your mind. What if, maybe, could happen, I heard of it happening. Once he arouses your demons they take over and let blasphemy come out of your mouth.

2 Tim 2:23-26
23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 07:46 PM
I said
I would hope that I could turn the other cheek and ask them why they done that. The devil knows how to arouse your demons. He does it with foolish questions and your imagination. Look how you feel. You don't have to entertain them question in your mind. What if, maybe, could happen, I heard of it happening. Once he arouses your demons they take over and let blasphemy come out of your mouth.

So you tell the children to give other cheek to beater?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 07:49 PM
Heart is for compassion for weak, oppressed, powerless and so on.

Jesus came down for oppressed. There are all kinds of people in this category.

You don't know because you don't know what Jesus is all about.

I said
Well one of us don't know Jesus. the heart is the intent of a thought. Now we know the intent of the Holy Spirit is our salvation.

Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
(NKJ)

The Holy Spirit is who reveals our unclean spirits. What you should do is find the Holy Spirit and find out where all them idea's are coming from.

Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
(NKJ)

Because at this point you don't know

Luke 9:55
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, "You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.
(NKJ)

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 08:07 PM
I said
Well one of us don't know Jesus. the heart is the intent of a thought. Now we know the intent of the Holy Spirit is our salvation.

Your heart shows in what you say what you practice and what you endorse.

You cannot mock God.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 08:10 PM
I said
I would hope that I could turn the other cheek and ask them why they done that.

Why can't you just say you will do it? You expect wives to turn the other cheek to their husbands ... why are you not holding yourself to the same standard?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:12 PM
Your heart shows in what you say what you practice and what you endorse.

You cannot mock God.

I said
Your right. In what you say. So do you use Gods Word to explain Gods Word or do you use carnality.

Matt 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:15 PM
Why can't you just say you will do it? You expect wives to turn the other cheek to their husbands ... why are you not holding yourself to the same standard?

I said
Unlike you I don't exaggerate. Until I have done it, I will say I hope I can do it. Well I sort of done it. My daughters husband broke her Jaw. And I didn't do anything about it.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 08:31 PM
I said
Your right. In what you say. So do you use Gods Word to explain Gods Word or do you use carnality.


even satan quotes the scripture.

I know Jesus' principle and what He teaches.

Jesus is the Lord and the Teacher. You seem to dismiss it conveniently.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 08:33 PM
I said
Unlike you I don't exaggerate. Until I have done it, I will say I hope I can do it. Well I sort of done it. My daughters husband broke her Jaw. And I didn't do anything about it.

so you tell her to just endure?

You don't know Jesus.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:36 PM
so you tell her to just endure?

You don't know Jesus.

I said
No she got back with him, and she told me to endure.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 08:40 PM
I said
No she got back with him, and she told me to endure.

Do they have kid or kids?

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:46 PM
Do they have kid or kids?

I said
Two.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 08:53 PM
I said
Two.

She subject their kids to witness beating their mother.

It is sadistic.

You guys need to know Jesus.

It is well known fact that abuse pass on to next generation. It is the same as sexual abuse too.

Abused children grow up to be abusers themselves if they don't do anything about it.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 08:56 PM
She subject their kids to witness beating their mother.

It is sadistic.

You guys need to know Jesus.

It is well known fact that abuse pass on to next generation. It is the same as sexual abuse too.

Abused children grow up to be abusers themselves if they don't do anything about it.

I said
Her husband is a preachers son.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 08:59 PM
I said
Her husband is a preachers son.

so?

sin is a sin is a sin.

Squeaky
August 30th, 2015, 09:03 PM
so?

sin is a sin is a sin.

I said
Shortly after the Lord let her catch him in fornication and she divorced him.

meshak
August 30th, 2015, 09:16 PM
I said
Shortly after the Lord let her catch him in fornication and she divorced him.

And you advocate for her remarriage.

Rusha
August 30th, 2015, 11:58 PM
I said
Unlike you I don't exaggerate. Until I have done it, I will say I hope I can do it. Well I sort of done it. My daughters husband broke her Jaw. And I didn't do anything about it.

That's horrible ... that your daughter has to endure a violent spouse and a father whose most concerned response is "I didn't do anything about it".

Desert Reign
August 31st, 2015, 02:11 AM
I said
Unlike you I don't exaggerate. Until I have done it, I will say I hope I can do it. Well I sort of done it. My daughters husband broke her Jaw. And I didn't do anything about it.

Unbelievable! Man, you are seriously twisted. You may have been abused as a child but that is not an excuse for your adult behaviour. Childhood abuse may well be an explanation but it is not an excuse. If you can't have a normal reaction to when someone else is abused then you need help. At very least you are an accessory to a crime.


He says man must submit to Jesus. Well, the Lord Jesus Christ said to Paul that husbands are to love their wife as they love themselves. He left that part off.

He thinks that submission means accepting a beating. He doesn't know the first thing about submisson.

Nick M
August 31st, 2015, 06:36 PM
My daughters husband broke her Jaw. And I didn't do anything about it.

You are an *******. And I won't take it back but will take any punishment for saying it that is handed out because it is true.

Angel4Truth
August 31st, 2015, 06:50 PM
I said
When the man is doing what God told him to do discipline the children and the woman jumps in to stop him that is a sin. Your showing God what you would do to Him if you were married to Him. And God kills people.


You are sick, you are not God. Sounds like you would kill a woman, oh thats right, you did and came here and practically bragged about hitting a woman walking on the highway and killing her. In light of your posts here, one wonders if it was really an accident now.


I said
The problem with society today is everyone has their own definition for abusive. A man is raised to believe he is the one for the discipline. My dad used to really beat us kids when we messed up. My mother would get in the way and he would have to hit her.

Have to hit her, what a devil. He belongs in jail for beating you all and for hitting her and blaming it on her.


I said
Unlike you I don't exaggerate. Until I have done it, I will say I hope I can do it. Well I sort of done it. My daughters husband broke her Jaw. And I didn't do anything about it.

What a pathetic father you are then.

1 Timothy 5:8 If anyone does not take care of his own relatives, especially his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Aimiel
August 31st, 2015, 07:27 PM
If my son broke my DAUGHTER-IN-LAW's jaw, I would turn him in to the police and hope that he got convicted of it. This boy is just plain WHACK-A-DOODLE.

And if some man broke my daughter's jaw, I'd probably be arrested for assault, because I would AT LEAST break HIS jaw.

Rusha
August 31st, 2015, 08:02 PM
If my son broke my DAUGHTER-IN-LAW's jaw, I would turn him in to the police and hope that he got convicted of it. This boy is just plain WHACK-A-DOODLE.

And if some man broke my daughter's jaw, I'd probably be arrested for assault, because I would AT LEAST break HIS jaw.

:thumb:

Ktoyou
August 31st, 2015, 09:30 PM
If my son broke my DAUGHTER-IN-LAW's jaw, I would turn him in to the police and hope that he got convicted of it. This boy is just plain WHACK-A-DOODLE.

And if some man broke my daughter's jaw, I'd probably be arrested for assault, because I would AT LEAST break HIS jaw.

Maybe not, if you saw how pathetic his life may well be? You assume he is as aware as you; I have seen different.

Anyway, he is gone now.

serpentdove
September 1st, 2015, 10:28 AM
...[I]f some man broke my daughter's jaw, I'd probably be arrested for assault, because I would AT LEAST break HIS jaw.


See:

Vigilantism Worksheet (http://americanrtl.org/news/abortion-vigilantism-worksheet)

The Bible's Criminal Code (http://kgov.com/bel/criminal-code)

serpentdove
September 1st, 2015, 10:32 AM
...If you can't have a normal reaction to when someone else is abused then you need help. At very least you are an accessory to a crime.


:thumb: Mt 18

"If evil doesn't bother you--you're evil." ~ Darrell Ferguson

serpentdove
September 1st, 2015, 10:35 AM
...[Y]our daughter has to endure a violent spouse and a father whose most concerned response is "I didn't do anything about it".


2 Ti 3:3, KJV

Squeaky
September 1st, 2016, 07:38 AM
Now the rest of the story. I didn't do nothing about it because I didn't know it happened until 2 months later. By the time I found out they had gotten back together and my daughter asked me to stay our of it. So I honored her wishes. I didn't know if it was done in self defense or not. I still don't know. But until I have the facts I'm not going to make a rash decision. And do something I might regret. When does mercy, compassion, and forgiveness enter the equation for you? After revenge?

patrick jane
September 1st, 2016, 07:42 AM
so?

sin is a sin is a sin.
Stop sinning meshak -

ok doser
September 1st, 2016, 07:44 AM
what's a meshak? :idunno:

SaulToPaul
September 1st, 2016, 07:45 AM
what's a meshak? :idunno:

It's the sound I make when I sneeze.

ok doser
September 1st, 2016, 07:45 AM
well gesundheit then

Squeaky
September 1st, 2016, 07:53 AM
We are really lucky God doesn't follow your example. Because on judgment day God is going to give each one of us the same measure that we have used on others. Same measure of love, same measure of forgiveness, same measure of mercy. I wouldn't want to be you when its judgment day.

Mark 4:24-25
24 Then He said to them, "Take heed what you hear. With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you; and to you who hear, more will be given.
25 "For whoever has, to him more will be given; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him."
(NKJ)

Squeaky
September 10th, 2016, 04:11 AM
Rom 2:1-3

1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
(NKJ)

Binah
September 11th, 2016, 09:58 PM
Are there any women in here?

:salute:

Squeaky
September 15th, 2016, 12:08 PM
I think most of you should go back and read your replies, and compare them to Jesus. It will help you see the devil. And then you can start resisting him. Instead of submitting to him.

Ktoyou
September 15th, 2016, 12:35 PM
Are there any women in here?

Problem is, few of them are as mentally challenged as you are and fewer care to listen to you rant on about something you do not know about, yet feel it may offer you a chance to feel superior to someone based on what is not leaned.

You would be best off to keep from being banned. If you need some instruction on how to get along here, let me know.

Squeaky
September 15th, 2016, 02:56 PM
Problem is, few of them are as mentally challenged as you are and fewer care to listen to you rant on about something you do not know about, yet feel it may offer you a chance to feel superior to someone based on what is not leaned.

You would be best off to keep from being banned. If you need some instruction on how to get along here, let me know.

I said
Well that is what I have been asking everyone. Plus how many moderators are women now?

Ktoyou
September 15th, 2016, 03:01 PM
I said
Well that is what I have been asking everyone. Plus how many moderators are women now?

Some are women, some are men, some are men pretending too be women, some are women pretending to be men, you never know, so look out, they might be out to get you!

Check your local club locker-room now!

look out! :flamer:

Squeaky
September 15th, 2016, 04:50 PM
Some are women, some are men, some are men pretending too be women, some are women pretending to be men, you never know, so look out, they might be out to get you!

Check your local club locker-room now!

look out! :flamer:

I said
ROFLOL I new they were doing that when they banned me with absolutely no justification.
When I read the reason of -advocating criminal behavior. When in fact I didn't even know something happened.

Ktoyou
September 15th, 2016, 05:28 PM
I said
ROFLOL I new they were doing that when they banned me with absolutely no justification.
When I read the reason of -advocating criminal behavior. When in fact I didn't even know something happened.

I know you did not know the severity of what you thought was the way one should live. You were banned for seeming, to a normal person, to be advocating criminal behavior, and yet, you did not know allowing a man to harm a woman was wrong!

I think you should stay away from ANY argument on relations between men and women, for your own good stay out of it, until you are able to see the wrong in what you assume to be normal.

Squeaky
September 15th, 2016, 05:40 PM
I know you did not know the severity of what you thought was the way one should live. You were banned for seeming, to a normal person, to be advocating criminal behavior, and yet, you did not know allowing a man to harm a woman was wrong!

I think you should stay away from ANY argument on relations between men and women, for your own good stay out of it, until you are able to see the wrong in what you assume to be normal.

I said
I knew it then and I know it now. But I went by the advice of the women on this board. I told a story about when I was a truck driver and I had another driver with me that was so sad. I asked why he said because I hit my wife. I said why. He said I had been on the road for awhile and when I got home I walked in the door and my wife threw a knife at me and it stuck in the door right beside my head. And I hit her.
The women on this board said that was self defense. So rather than go off half cocked I wanted to check with my daughter to see what really happened. If he done it in self defense. I still don't know.

Squeaky
September 15th, 2016, 05:43 PM
What I have learned on this thread is a lot of women and Aimiel condemn first and ask questions much much later. That is not what Jesus teaches.

Ktoyou
September 15th, 2016, 05:49 PM
You have the wrong attitude about women. You are a rare case if being an authentic cracker. meaning not a fake like 'racist' Billy Bob from Ohio.

It would be best for you to remain quiet about your misplaced belief, concerning women, as to your notion of one sex being inferior.

I am glad to see you posting more than copy scripture now. listen to me and do not get yourself banned again by falling into the same flaw, as relevant to your upbringing. Try to understand this by reading other posts rather than writing on this topic. learning is through taking in new thoughts, not repeating old ideas from the past.

This is the best I can do to help you.

Squeaky
September 15th, 2016, 07:11 PM
You have the wrong attitude about women. You are a rare case if being an authentic cracker. meaning not a fake like 'racist' Billy Bob from Ohio.

It would be best for you to remain quiet about your misplaced belief, concerning women, as to your notion of one sex being inferior.

I am glad to see you posting more than copy scripture now. listen to me and do not get yourself banned again by falling into the same flaw, as relevant to your upbringing. Try to understand this by reading other posts rather than writing on this topic. learning is through taking in new thoughts, not repeating old ideas from the past.

This is the best I can do to help you.

I said
Your advice seems to eliminate God from the equation. I tell everyone to obey the Holy Spirit. Follow the verses the Holy Spirit gives you. I can stand being banned from a website. I cant stand being banned from heaven.

Luke 10:27-28
27 So he answered and said," 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,' and 'your neighbor as yourself.'"
28 And He said to him, "You have answered rightly; do this and you will live."
(NKJ)

Squeaky
September 15th, 2016, 07:17 PM
Gal 1:10-12
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)

patrick jane
September 15th, 2016, 07:47 PM
I said
Your advice seems to eliminate God from the equation. I tell everyone to obey the Holy Spirit. Follow the verses the Holy Spirit gives you. I can stand being banned from a website. I cant stand being banned from heaven.

Luke 10:27-28
27 So he answered and said," 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,' and 'your neighbor as yourself.'"
28 And He said to him, "You have answered rightly; do this and you will live."
(NKJ)
People are trying to help you stay on TOL dummy. You are a stubborn man -

ok doser
September 15th, 2016, 07:50 PM
What I have learned on this thread is a lot of women and Aimiel condemn first and ask questions much much later. That is not what Jesus teaches.

what's an aimiel? :idunno: