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CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 10:40 AM
Islam And Global Domination

Who will rule the world, Sunni's or Shia's?
Sunni and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam, along with other Islamic Factions.
As with Mohammad, terrorism was a way of life, a means to wealth and political power. It is a way through the religion of Islam for terrorist to rise to power.
So who do you think will be the one to dominate the world? I'm telling you the truth, it will be none of these.

CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 02:24 PM
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/images/islam/islam_dominateWORLD_small.jpg

The Berean
April 8th, 2015, 02:27 PM
How exactly will Islam "dominate" the world? No Islamic nation is an economic power. Most of the economic power is in the US, China, Japan, and some western European nations. It's hard to imagine that Islam will take a major foothold in any of this nations. China, Japan, the US, etc., will never be Muslim dominated.

CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 02:31 PM
The word Allah is the short form of Alilah.

The word "Islam" means submit. Muslims see their mission as to make you submit to Islam and Allah.

The Berean
April 8th, 2015, 02:37 PM
But you haven't explained how Muslim will force non-Muslims to submit. Muslims don't have the numbers to do this.

CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 02:37 PM
Muslims all over the world are planting anchor babies in foreign lands.

CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 02:38 PM
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/images/islam/muslimACTIVISTS.jpg

CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 02:40 PM
But you haven't explained how Muslim will force non-Muslims to submit. Muslims don't have the numbers to do this.

Some groups are trying to obtain weapons of mass destruction.

The Berean
April 8th, 2015, 02:44 PM
Some groups are trying to obtain weapons of mass destruction.

Which groups are these?

CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 02:45 PM
In England and Wales the Muslim population grew from 1.5 million in 2001 to 2.7 million by 2011, demonstrating a 75 percent increase.

CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 02:48 PM
Which groups are these?

Sunni Muslims in Iran for one. ISIS for two.

CherubRam
April 8th, 2015, 02:51 PM
How exactly will Islam "dominate" the world? No Islamic nation is an economic power. Most of the economic power is in the US, China, Japan, and some western European nations. It's hard to imagine that Islam will take a major foothold in any of this nations. China, Japan, the US, etc., will never be Muslim dominated.

The object is to first destroy the economy of these nations through terrorism, while growing anchor babies.

The Berean
April 8th, 2015, 02:58 PM
In England and Wales the Muslim population grew from 1.5 million in 2001 to 2.7 million by 2011, demonstrating a 75 percent increase.

Yes, and as more and more Muslim kids are immersed in British culture they will become more and more westernized. I'll give you an example. Mo Farah is a famous British distance runner. He won two gold medals at the 2012 Summer Olympics ain London. He was actually born in Somalia and is a Muslim. He moved to England at a young age. Though he is a Somalian by birth and Muslim he is very British in his mannerisms and personal life outlook. His wife is not a Muslim by the way. I'm pretty sure Mo Farah is not planning some secret terrorist attacks on British soil.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/01/article-2286297-14804C30000005DC-152_634x521.jpg

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2256824.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Distance-runner-Mo-Farah-wife-Tania-and-daughter-Rihanna.jpg

Word based mystic
April 8th, 2015, 03:09 PM
rome was probably thinking the same thing before the barbarian tribes invaded.

all of europe was thinking the same thing about germany after ww1. germany had an economy that was crushed and sanctioned.
yet 20 years later they were conquering the world.

desperation and oppression often will provide an interesting result and can produce a world impact if acted upon

I could go on for quite awhile on insignificant people groups that nearly conquered the world.

The Berean
April 8th, 2015, 03:12 PM
rome was probably thinking the same thing before the barbarian tribes invaded.

all of europe was thinking the same thing about germany after ww1. germany had an economy that was crushed and sanctioned.
yet 20 years later they were conquering the world.

desperation and oppression often will provide an interesting result and can produce a world impact if acted upon

I could go on for quite awhile on insignificant people groups that nearly conquered the world.
Rome was on the point of collapse when they were invaded. After WW I Europe was in shambles. Also Germany was rebuilt after WW I by Germans, not outsiders. These are rare and extraordinary circumstances. Today Europe, China, Japan, the US are stable nations. Do people really believe that China and Japan can be conquered by Muslims? Really?

Word based mystic
April 8th, 2015, 03:31 PM
Rome was on the point of collapse when they were invaded. After WW I Europe was in shambles. Also Germany was rebuilt after WW I by Germans, not outsiders. These are rare and extraordinary circumstances. Today Europe, China, Japan, the US are stable nations. Do people really believe that China and Japan can be conquered by Muslims? Really?

the world economy is fragile. two towers put a tail spin on america and all the world for a long period of time. http://fas.org/irp/crs/RL31617.pdf

china would be able to resist such due to its numbers.
but consider the population of china
overwhelming indeed
yet japan (tiny island) consistently dominated korea and china for much of the 1800 and 1900's

england a small country and (island) built to world domination
spain also.

Germany was utterly crushed. Starving and with little to no assistance from europe.

20 years to a world power is unbelievable.

you minimize the desperation and small population of germany.

When demonically inspired small and insignificant people groups can nearly conquer the world.
mongols for instance.
backwards technologically for the day and limited trade.
yet

The Berean
April 8th, 2015, 03:38 PM
the world economy is fragile. two towers put a tail spin on america and all the world for a long period of time. http://fas.org/irp/crs/RL31617.pdf

china would be able to resist such due to its numbers.
but consider the population of china
overwhelming indeed
yet japan (tiny island) consistently dominated korea and china for much of the 1800 and 1900's

england a small country and (island) built to world domination
spain also.

Germany was utterly crushed. Starving and with little to no assistance from europe.

20 years to a world power is unbelievable.

you minimize the desperation and small population of germany.

When demonically inspired small and insignificant people groups can nearly conquer the world.
mongols for instance.
backwards technologically for the day and limited trade.
yet
My point is that Germany was rebuilt by the German people themselves. They were motivated to rebuild their nation because they had no choice. What does that have to with Muslims "invading" other countries? Do you really think large numbers of Germans or Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Korea, etc. would embrace Islam? England dominated the world because they had a powerful navy and a powerful economy. What Islamic nation is like that today? None that I can think of.

Word based mystic
April 8th, 2015, 03:45 PM
My point is that Germany was rebuilt by the German people themselves. They were motivated to rebuild their nation because they had no choice. What does that have to with Muslims "invading" other countries? Do you really think large numbers of Germans or Americans, Chinese, Japanese, etc would embrace Islam? England dominated the world because they had a powerful navy and a powerful economy. What Islamic nation is like that today? None that I can think of.

quite simple
india
pakistan
have 100+ nukes each.

India has more Muslims than any other country in the world, except Pakistan and Indonesia.

nukes are the great equalizer and radical muslims willing to use them are on the rise. just a few well placed events and the world economy collapses

almost did in 9/11

The Berean
April 8th, 2015, 03:54 PM
quite simple
india
pakistan
have 100+ nukes each.
And the US, China, and Western Europe have thousands of nukes.



India has more Muslims than any other country in the world, except Pakistan and Indonesia.
And Muslims are a small minority in India. Hindus run India. Hindus outnumber Muslims about 8-to-1 in India. Plus, India has embraced a free market economy over the past decade or so.



nukes are the great equalizer and radical muslims willing to use them are on the rise. just a few well placed events and the world economy collapses
Even if that to happen Westerner's would not embrace Islam. I think you give Islam way to much credit.



almost did in 9/11
No, it did not.

Word based mystic
April 8th, 2015, 04:08 PM
the one who is willing to die or willing to kill all people has the advantage over the one who desires a peaceable life.

european nations which have had very high muslim population rate increases are very nervous.

http://billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-europe.html

read the growth of sharia law in europe.

revelation describes the beast waging war with the harlot babylon
babylon being trade.
beast being war and death, fear and intimidation.
throughout scripture and history these 2 have been at each others throats.
in one form or another.

God will even put it in their hearts to wage war against one another.

you are missing the spiritual considerations that motivate people groups and nations.

Word based mystic
April 8th, 2015, 04:23 PM
And the US, China, and Western Europe have thousands of nukes.


And Muslims are a small minority in India. Hindus run India. Hindus outnumber Muslims about 8-to-1 in India. Plus, India has embraced a free market economy over the past decade or so.


Even if that to happen Westerner's would not embrace Islam. I think you give Islam way to much credit.


No, it did not.

yes i agree with most of your posts
I just think that dismissing a desperate, poor radical, death wielding group that considers martyrdom as a means of terror and control cannot be that easily dismissed.

23% of world population is muslim motivated to conquer and enforce sharia law across world.

increase in technology and nuclear possibilities cannot be dismissed out of hand. especially considering Satan is their taskmaster.

History has shown that small groups with great motivation can change the structure of societies and the world.

The Berean
April 8th, 2015, 05:28 PM
yes i agree with most of your posts
I just think that dismissing a desperate, poor radical, death wielding group that considers martyrdom as a means of terror and control cannot be that easily dismissed.

23% of world population is muslim motivated to conquer and enforce sharia law across world.

increase in technology and nuclear possibilities cannot be dismissed out of hand. especially considering Satan is their taskmaster.

History has shown that small groups with great motivation can change the structure of societies and the world.
Didn't the world goes through this with communism? The difference is that communism took over parts of Europe, Russia, China, and South America. The communists had control of vast amounts of wealth, land, and armies. They actively tried to expand the influence of communism on a global scale. Yet the communists failed. How can Muslims succeed when the communism didn't? Besides even is Muslims somehow "conquer the world" IMO this would make Christians even more faithful as they would have to trust and lean on God even more. Throughout history Christianity has flourished in places where Christians were brutally persecuted.

CherubRam
April 9th, 2015, 02:05 AM
Good commentary: http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/iran/muslims_plan_for_world_dominance.htm

Word based mystic
April 9th, 2015, 06:02 AM
Didn't the world goes through this with communism? The difference is that communism took over parts of Europe, Russia, China, and South America. The communists had control of vast amounts of wealth, land, and armies. They actively tried to expand the influence of communism on a global scale. Yet the communists failed. How can Muslims succeed when the communism didn't? Besides even is Muslims somehow "conquer the world" IMO this would make Christians even more faithful as they would have to trust and lean on God even more. Throughout history Christianity has flourished in places where Christians were brutally persecuted.

societies have started to rely on technology in a huge way.

1st world countries are disconnected from individual sustainability.
most people live day to day via the grocery store. Self reliance in relation to food and power is nearly non-existent, especially city populations.
any technological worldwide event or even localized event could cripple the 1st world countries. Hyper connectivity and information has it's weakness. Fear.

one nuclear event in any of the worlds great cities and economic collapse is likely for a period of time.

1st world countries will be at a severe disadvantage if technology is disrupted.
whereas 3rd world powers not relying on technology would already be in their element and need little to no adjustment if worldwide event happened.

america is withdrawing it's superpower status

anytime there is a vacuum in superpower status crisis and dark ages result.

CherubRam
April 9th, 2015, 06:40 PM
Zechariah 6:2
The first chariot had red horses, the second black,...

The Red Horse goes to the East.

Revelation 6:3
When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

kiwimacahau
April 9th, 2015, 07:34 PM
Muslims all over the world are planting anchor babies in foreign lands.


In England and Wales the Muslim population grew from 1.5 million in 2001 to 2.7 million by 2011, demonstrating a 75 percent increase.


Sunni Muslims in Iran for one. ISIS for two.


The object is to first destroy the economy of these nations through terrorism, while growing anchor babies.

1: Muslims are not planting anchor babies anywhere.
2: Islam is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, or 4.4% of the total population.
3: Irania nMuslims are Shi'i not Sunni and they have prohibited the usage of Nuclear weapons via a fatwa against them.

Any more nonsense?

CherubRam
April 9th, 2015, 10:26 PM
1: Muslims are not planting anchor babies anywhere.
2: Islam is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, or 4.4% of the total population.
3: Irania nMuslims are Shi'i not Sunni and they have prohibited the usage of Nuclear weapons via a fatwa against them.

Any more nonsense?
OK, so you trust them and I don't.

CherubRam
April 9th, 2015, 10:28 PM
People laughed at Hitler in 1932.

kiwimacahau
April 9th, 2015, 10:50 PM
No one is laughing but paranoia is as great an error as mistrust poorly placed. Individual Muslims are no more dangerous than any other human made in God's image.

rougueone
April 9th, 2015, 11:16 PM
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/images/islam/islam_dominateWORLD_small.jpg

I agree with you Islam will be the dominate global power. A Caliphate is imminent. I do not know what faction will rule. That has yet to be revealed. But I believe Islam is the final empire. They will vote themselves into nations that have nuclear power. Sweden has already ceded areas of it's Nation to Islam. England and France will realize the Islamic vote in about twenty years. Iran will have a nuklear bomb. Russia is financing Egypt for a " nuclear reactor".
Duke University has Islamic noon praise blaring from it's "chapel "
speakers. N.Y. has declared Muslim holidays. Beginning in the 2015-2016 school year all public schools will close on September 25 in observance of Eid al-Adha. They will also be closed for the end of Ramadan, or Eid al-Fitr.

School districts in Vermont, Massachusetts, and New Jersey also already recognize Muslim holiday with school closures.
It is obvious where this is going.

Revelation 20:4.......I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been ++++beheaded ++++because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

CherubRam
April 10th, 2015, 02:57 AM
No one is laughing but paranoia is as great an error as mistrust poorly placed. Individual Muslims are no more dangerous than any other human made in God's image.

There is no doubt that Islam is the red horse. Do you not believe in the fulfilling of biblical prophecies?

CherubRam
April 10th, 2015, 03:05 AM
I agree with you Islam will be the dominate global power. A Caliphate is imminent. I do not know what faction will rule. That has yet to be revealed. But I believe Islam is the final empire. They will vote themselves into nations that have nuclear power. Sweden has already ceded areas of it's Nation to Islam. England and France will realize the Islamic vote in about twenty years. Iran will have a nuklear bomb. Russia is financing Egypt for a " nuclear reactor".
Duke University has Islamic noon praise blaring from it's "chapel "
speakers. N.Y. has declared Muslim holidays. Beginning in the 2015-2016 school year all public schools will close on September 25 in observance of Eid al-Adha. They will also be closed for the end of Ramadan, or Eid al-Fitr.

School districts in Vermont, Massachusetts, and New Jersey also already recognize Muslim holiday with school closures.
It is obvious where this is going.

Revelation 20:4.......I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been ++++beheaded ++++because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Because it is their intent to rule the world, that will lead to their demise. They think that genocide of the white race will bring them victory for Islam. I wonder what kind of an education they have. If you have ever noticed, they say Allah is the black mans god, where as we say Yahwah is the God of mankind. See the difference?

CherubRam
April 10th, 2015, 03:51 AM
Teacher Under Fire for Anti-Muslim Lesson even though he spoke the truth. The economics teacher was teaching about the negative economic impact of terrorism. It looks like another case of making an example of someone who is not politically correct. https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/teacher-under-fire-for-anti-muslim-lesson-115945553072.html

CherubRam
April 10th, 2015, 04:40 AM
Another economic fact: Christianity cost the world nothing, whereas Islam cost the world trillions of dollars on a regular basis. Since September 11, 2001 America alone has spent more than a trillion dollars defending against Islamic terrorism.

rougueone
April 11th, 2015, 12:51 PM
No one is laughing but paranoia is as great an error as mistrust poorly placed. Individual Muslims are no more dangerous than any other human made in God's image.

The Germans also were no more dangerous than any other human made in God's image. Until they realized the consequences of saying no. Then the Austrians, polish, French, Belgium's, Dutch, Et....

The same will occur with the final empire who I strongly believe will be Islam. And death will not be the only motivator. Economics will. No "Mark", no way to purchase or sell anything. No job, house, car, ET.....

kiwimacahau
April 11th, 2015, 04:06 PM
Yet, millions of Christians before us also considered themselves to be living in such times and they were wrong. I'd be careful about playing the ' mark of the beast' card.

CherubRam
April 11th, 2015, 04:42 PM
Yet, millions of Christians before us also considered themselves to be living in such times and they were wrong. I'd be careful about playing the ' mark of the beast' card.

You sound more like a Catholic or Anglican than a protestant.

kiwimacahau
April 11th, 2015, 04:48 PM
This is a problem why? In point of fact I am an Old Catholic Priest. No, I am not Roman Catholic

CherubRam
April 11th, 2015, 04:55 PM
This is a problem why? In point of fact I am an Old Catholic Priest. No, I am not Roman Catholic

Why then do you have it that you are a Protestant Christian?

OCTOBER23
April 11th, 2015, 05:02 PM
OBAMA IS A SUNNI MUSLEM

There are Millions of Muslems in the USA and Europe.

There are only 9 years left before Armageddon

when the Muslem hordes will be destroyed.

kiwimacahau
April 11th, 2015, 05:17 PM
Why then do you have it that you are a Protestant Christian?

Because my denomination was one of the original protestants. The term "Old Catholic" was first used in 1853 to describe the members of the See of Utrecht who did not recognize any infallible papal authority. Later Catholics who disagreed with the doctrine of Papal Infallibility as made official by the First Vatican Council (1870) had no bishop and so joined with Utrecht to form the Union of Utrecht.

kiwimacahau
April 11th, 2015, 05:18 PM
OBAMA IS A SUNNI MUSLEM

There are Millions of Muslems in the USA and Europe.

There are only 9 years left before Armageddon

when the Muslem hordes will be destroyed.

Nope, President Obama is not Muslim. Those who set times for events that our Lord declared even He did not know are quite, quite wrong.

CherubRam
April 11th, 2015, 05:22 PM
Because my denomination was one of the original protestants. The term "Old Catholic" was first used in 1853 to describe the members of the See of Utrecht who did not recognize any infallible papal authority. Later Catholics who disagreed with the doctrine of Papal Infallibility as made official by the First Vatican Council (1870) had no bishop and so joined with Utrecht to form the Union of Utrecht.
People are protestant for scriptural reason, not internal church politics. You are confusing people.

CherubRam
April 11th, 2015, 05:23 PM
Nope, President Obama is not Muslim. Those who set times for events that our Lord declared even He did not know are quite, quite wrong.

Obama is one of those Muslim Christians. Seriously!

OCTOBER23
April 11th, 2015, 05:30 PM
KIWI-MAN,

YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE FACTS.

-- OBAMA HAS ALREADY ADMITTED THAT HE IS A MOSLEM.--


https://youtu.be/tCAffMSWSzY

https://youtu.be/4Yro63c7B7A

https://youtu.be/l-HqHSkYG-Y

rougueone
April 12th, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nope, President Obama is not Muslim. Those who set times for events that our Lord declared even He did not know are quite, quite wrong.

I'll disagree with you Obama is not a Muslim...


Obama was registered at a Catholic school in Jakarta as “Barry Soetoro” and was listed as having Indonesian nationality and a member of the Muslim religion. In a conversation with George Stephanopoulos in September 2008, Obama spoke of “my Muslim faith. Obama also stated:

“These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

“Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”

“The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”


I do agree that no one knows the specific time frame occurring to Tribulation, war, nor when Jesus comes for HIS people.

kiwimacahau
April 13th, 2015, 02:20 AM
Have you never made a slip in speech? Especially when tired? I know I have and I suspect that you have too. Moreover President Obama self identifies as a Christian.

MichaelCadry
April 13th, 2015, 02:39 AM
Dear kiwimacahau,

I voted for Obama both times, and I wish I'd never right now. I wish that he would be impeached. He is in favor of Muslims over Christians, it seems. How was I to know his stand on Israel was so bleak. And by the way, you would think that one of the two witnesses/ prophets of God that stand before the God of the whole earth (see Rev. 11:4KJV) as the two olive trees and candlesticks, might have an idea about when Armageddon will happen by seeing the signs of the times like Jesus foretold. Jesus told us not even He would know the day or hour. I do not even know the month, to boot and I doubt that Jesus does either. But one thing that God has assured me is that it will occur by the end of this year. So He gave me a glimpse of when it will be. I asked Him if I could tell others, and He said Yes!! So I was EXTREMELY grateful for that. Much of what He's told me I have not been able to share with people because it is secret until the seventh angel sounds (see Rev. 10:7KJV). "And when the seventh angel sounds, the mystery of God shall be finished, as He hath declared to His servants, the prophets."

There's more going on than you have any idea about. Almost EVERYTHING that God said He would do before Jesus Returns has been done. There is little left to do. It was done already because it is symbolic and you all did not recognize much of it. For example, when Mt. St. Helens erupted, in the Bible it says, and I saw an angel with a key open the bottomless pit, etc. and the sun was darkened, and the moon did not give her light and neither did the stars {See Rev. 9:1,2KJV}. And after that, the Arabs (with long hair like women and like scorpions) hiked up the gas prices every few days, stinging the people who had to buy gas, etc. I could tell you so much. But you'd probably rather not believe me. I am not trying to be preachy here. Just honest and humbly yours.

Michael

CherubRam
April 13th, 2015, 04:46 AM
It will be a while longer before the time of real tribulation begins.

CherubRam
April 21st, 2015, 06:07 PM
Over the years I have asked Muslims I have met, who is a infidel? They all answered, a Non-Muslim. The Quran contains about 109 verses that call for Muslims to war against nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic world rule. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites,' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

We are told daily by Muslims that they are at war against Christianity and Democracy. I see no reason to not believe them, do you?

So I guess we are all waiting for our turn to come some day. It is against Western laws to war against any religion. Islamic nations do not have any such laws.

Daniel1611
April 21st, 2015, 06:25 PM
Islam will not dominate he world. The world religion will be the religion that worships the Anti-Christ after he is declared god in the temple. If any religion is leading the world toward global religion, it s Judaism. And all the other false religions will join them.

CherubRam
April 21st, 2015, 06:57 PM
Islam will not dominate he world. The world religion will be the religion that worships the Anti-Christ after he is declared god in the temple. If any religion is leading the world toward global religion, it s Judaism. And all the other false religions will join them.

The Anti-Christ says that he is Christ.

Daniel1611
April 21st, 2015, 07:08 PM
The Anti-Christ says that he is Christ.

Right. He will be accepted as the Messiah and worshipped by the jews. And based on the concept of the worldwide religion, will obviously be accepted as the Imam of Islam, the Buddha and various other alleged figures in false religions.

CherubRam
April 22nd, 2015, 10:45 PM
Get this, Muslims are coming to Europe fleeing oppression from other Muslims. Then when they do, they would like for us to convert to their way of thinking. I think, not!

CherubRam
May 22nd, 2015, 10:21 PM
It cost money and lives to fight a war. How come the Muslims do not do more, it's their fight also. Isis is about 25,000 men, Iraq's army is about 250,000 men. So why are they running from Isis and leaving behind their weapons and supplies for Isis? Do you want us to spend our money and lives for people like that?

Kdall
May 22nd, 2015, 10:48 PM
Islam And Global Domination

Who will rule the world, Sunni's or Shia's?
Sunni and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam, along with other Islamic Factions.
As with Mohammad, terrorism was a way of life, a means to wealth and political power. It is a way through the religion of Islam for terrorist to rise to power.
So who do you think will be the one to dominate the world? I'm telling you the truth, it will be none of these.

It will be none of these because in both sects, the percentage of the population that actually engages in terrorism is, contrary to what you think, infinitesimally small

CherubRam
May 23rd, 2015, 12:36 AM
It will be none of these because in both sects, the percentage of the population that actually engages in terrorism is, contrary to what you think, infinitesimally small

It is the goal of Islam to dominate the world, for which can only end bad. I agree, it will be none of those in the long run. The fighters may be few, but they have lots of support.

CherubRam
May 24th, 2015, 05:19 AM
Islam is the fulfillment of this prophecy.

Revelation 6:4
Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

chrysostom
May 24th, 2015, 05:22 AM
Islam is the fulfillment of this prophecy.

Revelation 6:4
Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

the rider is mohammed

CherubRam
May 24th, 2015, 05:26 AM
the rider is mohammed

Yes, that is true, but it would be more true to just say "Islam" as a whole, or over all.

CherubRam
May 30th, 2015, 12:44 PM
Muslims killing Muslims.
Jihad: Sunni Muslims are killing Shia Muslims for control of Islam and the world.

Genesis 16
11 The angel of the Lord also said to her:
“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the Lord has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers.”
13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.” 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.
15 So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. 16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.

Zechariah 1:8
I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him there were horses, red, speckled, and white.

Zechariah 6:2
In the first chariot was a red horse; and in the second chariot was a black horse;...

Revelation 6:4
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

CherubRam
May 30th, 2015, 12:59 PM
Start my own religion.


So, if I was to start a religion where I get to threaten people into following my cult, and my doctrine allows me to kill people who steadfastly refuse to join, and I use the doctrine of my religion to start my own mini-government, and with my own laws start punishing those who violate my religious law, and I allow myself to arbitrarily subjugate member of my cult due to their sex or religion, then that is perfectly OK, and the people of the United States of America will defend the my Constitutional right for my religion to exist?

Of course not.

Because my religion would be comprised of so few people, I would be wiped out of existence in a week. But because Islam has so many followers, people quake in their boots because they are afraid of them.

Comment above taken in part from the Internet.

Kdall
May 30th, 2015, 01:10 PM
Are any of you even aware that Islam believes that Jesus will come at the end times, just like Christians do? Have any of you even made the most basic effort to research the religion at all?

chrysostom
May 30th, 2015, 01:40 PM
Are any of you even aware that Islam believes that Jesus will come at the end times, just like Christians do? Have any of you even made the most basic effort to research the religion at all?

yes
have you seen my history of islam?

CherubRam
May 30th, 2015, 01:56 PM
Are any of you even aware that Islam believes that Jesus will come at the end times, just like Christians do? Have any of you even made the most basic effort to research the religion at all?:doh:

According to Islam, Christ will be subordinate to the Mahdi of Islam. At that time, all Christians will convert to Islam.

CherubRam
May 30th, 2015, 02:04 PM
Over the years I have asked Muslims I have met, who is a infidel? They all answered, a Non-Muslim. The Quran contains about 109 verses that call for Muslims to war against nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic world rule. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites,' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

We are told daily by Muslims that they are at war against Christianity and Democracy. I see no reason to not believe them, do you?

So I guess we are all waiting for our turn to come some day. It is against Western laws to war against any religion. Islamic nations do not have any such laws.

For being Apostate, Muslims kill other Muslims for not taking part in the killing of Infidels. Anyone who is not a Muslim is an Infidel.

Kdall
May 30th, 2015, 02:56 PM
yes
have you seen my history of islam?

Nope

CherubRam
November 22nd, 2015, 04:10 AM
Muslims in France are calling Islam the religion of peace: http://news.yahoo.com/french-muslim-calls-on-peers-to-stop-terrorism---the-solution-will-come-from-us-165741864.html


Meaning of the word Islam.
Islam is an Arabic word that means "submission or submit" (to Allah). It has a relationship to another Arabic word, such as Salaam, meaning "peace". The Arabic word "Muslim" is related to the word Islam and means a "vassal" of Allah, and is whom has surrendered and submitted (to Allah).

Muslims see homage to Allah as a sign of distinction; paying homage means serving the will of Allah above and beyond one's own goals. The Arabic word "Islam" simply means "submission", and is derived from the word meaning "peace."

In a religious context it simply means submit to the will of Allah. And so Islam means “submission” not “peace". It is frequently said that the word Islam means “peace.” It does not. Islam is the Arabic word for "submission." The Arabic word for “peace” is transliterated as salam or salaam.

In Arabic, as in English, these are distinctly different words.
It is their religion to destroy other nations to establish Islam. The politicians just do not get it. When the Muslims have established themselves in numbers and strength in a nation, then they are embolden to exert their will.

Mohammad said: If your enemy is stronger than you, make a pretense of peace, then when you are able, kill them.

From now on it is their plan to weaken the nations financially through terrorism.

Speculation: About 75% of Muslims believe the white race has to be destroyed in order for Islam to advance.



Islam
• Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. Qur’an:9:5
• The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed. Qur’an:9:112
• Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission. Qur’an:9:29
• Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah. Qur’an:8:39
• So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world). Qur’an:8:39
• Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them. Qur’an:9:14
• Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place. Qur’an:9:38
• Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you. Qur’an:9:123
• The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause. Qur’an:9:88
• O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding. Qur’an:8:65

CherubRam
November 22nd, 2015, 04:23 AM
So, here we go again, Muslims in France preaching that Islam is the religion of peace. Although they know what the Quran says about nonbelievers, they want people to think that Islam is the religion of peace.

CherubRam
November 22nd, 2015, 08:59 AM
Obama Chides Anti-Refugee Politicians for Being 'Scared of Widows and 3-Year-Old Orphans'

That's odd, widows and children as young as 3 years old are being trained as terrorist by ISIS.

CherubRam
November 24th, 2015, 06:55 PM
Muslims in France are calling Islam the religion of peace: http://news.yahoo.com/french-muslim-calls-on-peers-to-stop-terrorism---the-solution-will-come-from-us-165741864.html


Meaning of the word Islam.
Islam is an Arabic word that means "submission or submit" (to Allah). It has a relationship to another Arabic word, such as Salaam, meaning "peace". The Arabic word "Muslim" is related to the word Islam and means a "vassal" of Allah, and is whom has surrendered and submitted (to Allah).

Muslims see homage to Allah as a sign of distinction; paying homage means serving the will of Allah above and beyond one's own goals. The Arabic word "Islam" simply means "submission", and is derived from the word meaning "peace."

In a religious context it simply means submit to the will of Allah. And so Islam means “submission” not “peace". It is frequently said that the word Islam means “peace.” It does not. Islam is the Arabic word for "submission." The Arabic word for “peace” is transliterated as salam or salaam.

In Arabic, as in English, these are distinctly different words.
It is their religion to destroy other nations to establish Islam. The politicians just do not get it. When the Muslims have established themselves in numbers and strength in a nation, then they are embolden to exert their will.

Mohammad said: If your enemy is stronger than you, make a pretense of peace, then when you are able, kill them.

From now on it is their plan to weaken the nations financially through terrorism.

Speculation: About 75% of Muslims believe the white race has to be destroyed in order for Islam to advance.



Islam
• Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. Qur’an:9:5
• The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed. Qur’an:9:112
• Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission. Qur’an:9:29
• Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah. Qur’an:8:39
• So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world). Qur’an:8:39
• Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them. Qur’an:9:14
• Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place. Qur’an:9:38
• Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you. Qur’an:9:123
• The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause. Qur’an:9:88
• O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding. Qur’an:8:65


So, here we go again, Muslims in France preaching that Islam is the religion of peace. Although they know what the Quran says about nonbelievers, they want people to think that Islam is the religion of peace.


Obama Chides Anti-Refugee Politicians for Being 'Scared of Widows and 3-Year-Old Orphans'

That's odd, widows and children as young as 3 years old are being trained as terrorist by ISIS.

Islamic terrorist have doubled in the past 10 years: http://www.skeptical-science.com/religion/islamic-terrorism-statistics-tackle/attachment/terrorist-attacks-related-to-islam-650x456/

CherubRam
November 24th, 2015, 07:01 PM
Today, Muslims (DEMANDED) that they be let into Europe (NOW.)

:think: I wonder if they think Europeans owe them a living?

drbrumley
November 24th, 2015, 07:35 PM
Yep, they hate us for our freedoms :noid:

CherubRam
November 25th, 2015, 02:05 AM
The goal of all Muslims is for global domination of Islam. As far as they are concerned, it is a noble cause. Trust me, the problem is only going to get worse.

intojoy
November 25th, 2015, 03:04 AM
Islam And Global Domination

Who will rule the world, Sunni's or Shia's?
Sunni and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam, along with other Islamic Factions.
As with Mohammad, terrorism was a way of life, a means to wealth and political power. It is a way through the religion of Islam for terrorist to rise to power.
So who do you think will be the one to dominate the world? I'm telling you the truth, it will be none of these.

I'm glad that we have the Jewish prophets to spell out their final destinations.

intojoy
November 25th, 2015, 03:06 AM
Today, Muslims (DEMANDED) that they be let into Europe (NOW.)

:think: I wonder if they think Europeans owe them a living?

No just alcohol and fornication is what they think they're owed.

jzeidler
November 25th, 2015, 12:03 PM
Here is how Islam will try to take over the world. First, have more babies then all others. Second, migrate into western societies and not integrate into society. Third, once they have become a large percentage within the west have skirmishes with the native westerners and make demands of them to have them accept their culture. Lastly, put Muslims in high places and institute sharia law.

This will be death my a thousand cuts. It won't be one large victory but hundreds of small ones.

That's why we need to be diligent and stand against it.

CherubRam
November 25th, 2015, 01:48 PM
Here is how Islam will try to take over the world. First, have more babies then all others. Second, migrate into western societies and not integrate into society. Third, once they have become a large percentage within the west have skirmishes with the native westerners and make demands of them to have them accept their culture. Lastly, put Muslims in high places and institute sharia law.

This will be death my a thousand cuts. It won't be one large victory but hundreds of small ones.

That's why we need to be diligent and stand against it.

That is how they took over other nations. Turkey is a good example of that. The biggest problem we have is people do not care, or, they are in disbelief.

patrick jane
November 25th, 2015, 01:53 PM
No just alcohol and fornication is what they think they're owed.

And jeans, porn and video games. And meth and coke

everready
November 25th, 2015, 06:00 PM
Islam And Global Domination

Who will rule the world, Sunni's or Shia's?
Sunni and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam, along with other Islamic Factions.
As with Mohammad, terrorism was a way of life, a means to wealth and political power. It is a way through the religion of Islam for terrorist to rise to power.
So who do you think will be the one to dominate the world? I'm telling you the truth, it will be none of these.

Neither: Rome will rule.


everready

CherubRam
December 17th, 2015, 04:39 AM
Quote: "Bush said he believes that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=193746&page=1

Most people are ill informed. Allah was and is a Pagan god worshiped by the Pagan Arabs. Allah is the short form of Alilah.

Greg Jennings
December 17th, 2015, 11:43 PM
Quote: "Bush said he believes that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=193746&page=1

Most people are ill informed. Allah was and is a Pagan god worshiped by the Pagan Arabs. Allah is the short form of Alilah.

Do you think anyone believes you? Take a hint: Bush wasn't a superb prez, but he's about 1000X smarter and more educated than you. He knows what he's talking about.

CherubRam
December 18th, 2015, 06:10 AM
Do you think anyone believes you? Take a hint: Bush wasn't a superb prez, but he's about 1000X smarter and more educated than you. He knows what he's talking about.
Thanks for the bump, now take off your blindfold.

1PeaceMaker
December 18th, 2015, 06:16 AM
Are Westerners/Christians going to have more kids as a result?

CherubRam
December 18th, 2015, 06:21 AM
Are Westerners/Christians going to have more kids as a result?

No!

CherubRam
December 18th, 2015, 06:32 AM
It is my opinion that most Muslims do not know all of what is in their Quran. I have no doubt that many actually think Islam is the religion of peace. Turkey was once a Christian strong hold, now it is 98% Muslim. The Muslims waged a 400 year war against Turkey until they won. The Muslims are prepared to do the same with America and the EU. That is why they have as many children as they can, in order to wage continual war.

CherubRam
December 18th, 2015, 07:29 AM
Paris synagogue daubed with poisonous substance: http://www.timesofisrael.com/paris-synagogue-daubed-with-poisonous-substance/

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 10:15 AM
Thanks for the bump, now take off your blindfold.

Here are the two possible options:

1. You either don't understand or dont care to find out the truth behind Islam's history and origins
2. Every highly educated person out there who has intensely studied this religion and others related to it is wrong about Islam

What seems more likely to you? I know logic ain't your strong suit, but this is a layup

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 10:17 AM
It is my opinion that most Muslims do not know all of what is in their Quran. I have no doubt that many actually thing Islam is the religion of peace. Turkey was once a Christian strong hold, now it is 98% Muslim. The Muslims waged a 400 year war against Turkey until they won. The Muslims are prepared to do the same with America and the EU. That is why they have as many children as they can, in order to wage continual war.

If you honestly think that Islam has a snowball's chance in Hell of taking any major western country, you need to get back on your meds now

badp
December 18th, 2015, 10:21 AM
If you honestly think that Islam has a snowball's chance in Hell of taking any major western country, you need to get back on your meds now

It doesn't need to take over. It just needs to create enough fear. Look at London.

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 10:26 AM
It doesn't need to take over. It just needs to create enough fear. Look at London.

Enough fear to do what? Surely you can see that ISIS isn't doing Islam any favors, right? Anti-Islam sentiment is a high as it's ever been and they are largely responsible

badp
December 18th, 2015, 10:28 AM
Enough fear to do what? Surely you can see that ISIS isn't doing Islam any favors, right? Anti-Islam sentiment is a high as it's ever been and they are largely responsible

Islam is a kingdom divided against itself, and it will be utterly destroyed. Praise the Lord for that!

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 10:29 AM
Islam is a kingdom divided against itself, and it will be utterly destroyed. Praise the Lord for that!

You gonna answer my question?

badp
December 18th, 2015, 10:33 AM
You gonna answer my question?

I thought you picked up the implication. I'll spell it out.

ISIS (Islamic state) is killing other Muslims, which of course those Muslims don't like. But ISIS is also trying to bring in a caliphate, which many Muslims do like. So of course there's going to be a lot of anti-ISIS sentiment in Muslim communities. But Islam is a religion of deception, so there is also going to be a lot of phony anti-ISIS sentiment by those who secretly wish it success.

In other words, Islam is based on a lie, and the end result is Muslims kill each other and everyone else. And I'm glad it will one day be destroyed.

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 10:33 AM
I thought you picked up the implication. I'll spell it out.

ISIS (Islamic state) is killing other Muslims, which of course those Muslims don't like. But ISIS is also trying to bring in a caliphate, which many Muslims do like. So of course there's going to be a lot of anti-ISIS sentiment in Muslim communities. But Islam is a religion of deception, so there is also going to be a lot of phony anti-ISIS sentiment by those who secretly wish it success.

In other words, Islam is based on a lie, and the end result is Muslims kill each other and everyone else. And I'm glad it will one day be destroyed.

That doesn't answer the question of "Enough fear to do what?"

gcthomas
December 18th, 2015, 10:38 AM
It doesn't need to take over. It just needs to create enough fear. Look at London.

Huh? What's that supposed to mean? (Don't tell me you trust Donald Trump's random utterances ... You can't trust someone whose name means Lord of Flatulance)

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 11:02 AM
So badp, for the third time: Enough fear to do what?

badp
December 18th, 2015, 11:17 AM
Enough fear to get the government to suppress people's freedom. They've already had some success, getting guns banned and such.

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 11:24 AM
Enough fear to get the government to suppress people's freedom. They've already had some success, getting guns banned and such.

Why would they want governments to suppress people's freedoms in places where they are trying to travel to? The countries with gun bans in Europe had them way before Islamic migrants were a talking point

badp
December 18th, 2015, 11:26 AM
Why would they want governments to suppress people's freedoms in places where they are trying to travel to? The countries with gun bans in Europe had them way before Islamic migrants were a talking point

You might want to read up on Islamic history. Islamic terrorism was a problem long before guns were even conceived.

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 11:30 AM
You might want to read up on Islamic history. Islamic terrorism was a problem long before guns were even conceived.

And what in the world does the Ottoman Empire have to do with European gun bans?

Do be careful. I fear you're straining the limits of your delusion

badp
December 18th, 2015, 11:34 AM
And what in the world does the Ottoman Empire have to do with European gun bans?

Do be careful. I fear you're straining the limits of your delusion

Oh boy you're dense. You said European gun bans predated Islamic terrorism. I'm telling you that Islamic terrorism predates guns. Get it?

Greg Jennings
December 18th, 2015, 03:57 PM
Oh boy you're dense. You said European gun bans predated Islamic terrorism. I'm telling you that Islamic terrorism predates guns. Get it?

Lol yes I admit I missed that one. My point was gun bans certainly weren't in response to Islamic terrorism in Europe

CherubRam
January 4th, 2016, 10:02 PM
Sunni and Shia conflict; It could escalate.

Iran and Saudi Arabia's great rivalry explained:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35221569

CherubRam
February 6th, 2016, 03:59 AM
SAN FRANCISCO — Twitter has suspended 125,000 accounts connected to the Islamic State.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-reveals-it-has-suspended-125000-isis-related-accounts/

CherubRam
July 14th, 2016, 10:36 PM
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/images/islam/islam_dominateWORLD_small.jpg


http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/images/islam/muslimACTIVISTS.jpg

As I have said before, years ago, Muslim terrorist are prepared to fight a sustained war to weaken the nations financially. American alone has spent more than 1.5 trillion dollars combating Muslim terrorist. How many trillions of dollars is America willing to spend for the Muslim religion?

Nameless.In.Grace
July 14th, 2016, 11:33 PM
Islam And Global Domination

Who will rule the world, Sunni's or Shia's?
Sunni and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam, along with other Islamic Factions.
As with Mohammad, terrorism was a way of life, a means to wealth and political power. It is a way through the religion of Islam for terrorist to rise to power.
So who do you think will be the one to dominate the world? I'm telling you the truth, it will be none of these.
Their eschatologies differ. Shia teaches the 12th Imam and Isa and Sunni debate over their Mahdi being a man like Mohammed accompanied by Isa (Their Jesus that never died and hates Jew's and Christians). Sunnis also suggest that Isa (fake Jesus) could be the Mahdi.

Turkey is trying to regain control, but Iran (Shia) is pulling major strings behind the scenes.

CherubRam
July 15th, 2016, 07:08 AM
As I have said before, years ago, Muslim terrorist are prepared to fight a sustained war to weaken the nations financially. American alone has spent more than 1.5 trillion dollars combating Muslim terrorist. How many trillions of dollars is America willing to spend for the Muslim religion?

Perhaps a better question would be: How many lives is America willing to lose for the Muslim religion?

CherubRam
July 15th, 2016, 07:10 AM
Eschatology i/ˌɛskəˈtɒlədʒi/ is a part of theology concerned with the final events of history, or the ultimate destiny of humanity. This concept is commonly referred to as the "end of the world" or "end time".

CherubRam
July 15th, 2016, 07:14 AM
Their eschatologies differ. Shia teaches the 12th Imam and Isa and Sunni debate over their Mahdi being a man like Mohammed accompanied by Isa (Their Jesus that never died and hates Jew's and Christians). Sunnis also suggest that Isa (fake Jesus) could be the Mahdi.

Turkey is trying to regain control, but Iran (Shia) is pulling major strings behind the scenes.

Unless I am mistaken, the Mahdi teaching is not even in the Quran.

Nameless.In.Grace
July 15th, 2016, 07:18 AM
Eschatology i/ˌɛskəˈtɒlədʒi/ is a part of theology concerned with the final events of history, or the ultimate destiny of humanity. This concept is commonly referred to as the "end of the world" or "end time".

Have you studied Islam's Eschatologically?


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theophilus
July 15th, 2016, 07:19 AM
Perhaps a better question would be: How many lives is America willing to lose for the Muslim religion?

Perhaps a better question would be, How many who call themselves Christians are willing to fall on their faces before the Throne of God and plead for our Lord Jesus Christ to reveal Himself to Muslims in dreams, visions and with great power to lead them to Himself and away from Hell and destruction?

How many who call themselves Christians would cast aside their fear (which is not from God) and actually sit and listen to their Muslim neighbors and share what great things God has done in their lives?

How many who call themselves Christians would "love their neighbors as themselves" and endeavor to win their souls for the Lord (he who wins souls is wise)?

2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

PRAYER, in Spirit and Truth, is our greatest weapon.

CherubRam
July 15th, 2016, 07:27 AM
Perhaps a better question would be, How many who call themselves Christians are willing to fall on their faces before the Throne of God and plead for our Lord Jesus Christ to reveal Himself to Muslims in dreams, visions and with great power to lead them to Himself and away from Hell and destruction?

How many who call themselves Christians would cast aside their fear (which is not from God) and actually sit and listen to their Muslim neighbors and share what great things God has done in their lives?

How many who call themselves Christians would "love their neighbors as themselves" and endeavor to win their souls for the Lord (he who wins souls is wise)?

2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

PRAYER, in Spirit and Truth, is our greatest weapon.

Muslims are instructed that the bible is a book full of lies and not to be believed. Preaching Christ is the Messiah in Muslim countries is a death penalty.

CherubRam
July 15th, 2016, 07:29 AM
Have you studied Islam's Eschatologically?


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Yes, I have studied it years ago but have forgotten some things.

theophilus
July 15th, 2016, 07:33 AM
Muslims are instructed that the bible is a book full of lies and not to be believed. Preaching Christ is the Messiah in Muslim countries is a death penalty.

To live is Christ and to die is gain.

It is not a death penalty in America to preach Christ. And there are many who preach Christ crucified in the Middle East and they are divinely protected.

AND,

Only God hears your prayers. He certainly isn't going to decapitate you for praying for them.

Tambora
July 15th, 2016, 08:35 AM
Sometimes, you shouldn't pray for some people.


Jeremiah 7:16 KJV
(16) Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.


1 John 5:16 KJV
(16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.




Jeremiah 11:14 KJV
(14) Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.


Jeremiah 14:11 KJV
(11) Then said the LORD unto me, Pray not for this people for their good.

theophilus
July 15th, 2016, 08:44 AM
Sometimes, you shouldn't pray for some people.


Jeremiah 7:16 KJV
(16) Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.


1 John 5:16 KJV
(16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.




Jeremiah 11:14 KJV
(14) Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.


Jeremiah 14:11 KJV
(11) Then said the LORD unto me, Pray not for this people for their good.

God didn't want Jeremiah praying for Israel because they were under His judgement (that He had been warning about for years). Also, God told Jeremiah that He would restore Israel and Judah.

If you'll look up all the commands "to pray" in the NT you'll see that under the new covenant we ought always to pray and not faint, to pray for and bless our enemies and to pray without ceasing.

:)

Tambora
July 15th, 2016, 08:49 AM
God didn't want Jeremiah praying for Israel because they were under His judgement Yep.
Don't pray for those under His judgement.
Islam fits the bill.


If you'll look up all the commands "to pray" in the NT you'll see that under the new covenant we ought always to pray and not faint, to pray for and bless our enemies and to pray without ceasing.

I gave a NT verse that says not to pray.

theophilus
July 15th, 2016, 08:59 AM
Yep.
Don't pray for those under His judgement.
Islam fits the bill.

I gave a NT verse that says not to pray.

The NT verse you referenced is an admonition to "not pray for those who have committed the sin unto death." The only sin I know that is "unto death" is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Muslims come to Christ every day. They are, along with China, one of the largest soul harvests in the world today.

By the time Jeremiah preached it was too late for Israel.

Islam does not fit the bill. There is hope for them.

Tambora
July 15th, 2016, 09:05 AM
The NT verse you referenced is an admonition to "not pray for those who have committed the sin unto death." The only sin I know that is "unto death" is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Muslims come to Christ every day. They are, along with China, one of the largest soul harvests in the world today.

By the time Jeremiah preached it was too late for Israel.

Islam does not fit the bill. There is hope for them.I think the sin unto death is about sins that require the death penalty (murder, adultery, etc.).
Islam does fit the bill.

In fact, if Jesus returned today, it would not go well for Islam.

theophilus
July 15th, 2016, 09:25 AM
I think the sin unto death is about sins that require the death penalty (murder, adultery, etc.).
Islam does fit the bill.

In fact, if Jesus returned today, it would not go well for Islam.

Let me backtrack - the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only "unforgivable" sin.

Back to your verse: 1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

John was writing to believers. The best interpretation I can find is that when a believer willfully, continuously and unrepentantly sins God will take his physical life instead of letting him persist in his stubbornness and rebellion. He "purges" His church of those who absolutely refuse to obey.

In Acts 5:1–10 and 1 Corinthians 11:28–32, God dealt with intentional, calculated sin in the church by taking the physical life of the sinner. This is perhaps also what Paul meant by “the destruction of the flesh” in 1 Corinthians 5:5.

Because Muslims are not believers, they are just like every other unbeliever on the planet, and, where there is breath, there is hope and prayer for repentance.

If Jesus were to return today it would not go well for most of the people on this planet.

steko
July 15th, 2016, 09:53 AM
I think the sin unto death is about sins that require the death penalty (murder, adultery, etc.).


Yep.

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

Tambora
July 15th, 2016, 09:56 AM
Let me backtrack - the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only "unforgivable" sin.

Back to your verse: 1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

John was writing to believers. The best interpretation I can find is that when a believer willfully, continuously and unrepentantly sins God will take his physical life instead of letting him persist in his stubbornness and rebellion. He "purges" His church of those who absolutely refuse to obey.

In Acts 5:1–10 and 1 Corinthians 11:28–32, God dealt with intentional, calculated sin in the church by taking the physical life of the sinner. This is perhaps also what Paul meant by “the destruction of the flesh” in 1 Corinthians 5:5.

Because Muslims are not believers, they are just like every other unbeliever on the planet, and, where there is breath, there is hope and prayer for repentance.

If Jesus were to return today it would not go well for most of the people on this planet.
Paul committed blasphemy.
He was not condemned under grace.
Under the law, he would have been condemned.

It makes no sense to say that you should be turned over to Satan for blasphemy so your flesh can be destroyed (ie. put to death), but your soul is still saved.
Your soul wouldn't be saved if you blasphemed.

Under the law, there were sins unto death (ie. the death penalty).
To be just, that sentence had to be carried out regardless if you were a believer or not.
Prayer to save them from that sentence would not only be useless, but would go against the law and justice.

I don't recall anywhere in scripture that says mankind should be guaranteed to detour justice of their actions by being allowed to go on with their wicked ways in hopes that one day they might repent.
Choose this day whom you will serve, not tomorrow, for tomorrow you may die.

When it comes to the meanest guy around, God is hands down the winner.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ8Gtx45Fmc

Nameless.In.Grace
July 15th, 2016, 09:56 AM
Perhaps a better question would be, How many who call themselves Christians are willing to fall on their faces before the Throne of God and plead for our Lord Jesus Christ to reveal Himself to Muslims in dreams, visions and with great power to lead them to Himself and away from Hell and destruction?

How many who call themselves Christians would cast aside their fear (which is not from God) and actually sit and listen to their Muslim neighbors and share what great things God has done in their lives?

How many who call themselves Christians would "love their neighbors as themselves" and endeavor to win their souls for the Lord (he who wins souls is wise)?

2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

PRAYER, in Spirit and Truth, is our greatest weapon.

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theophilus
July 15th, 2016, 09:59 AM
Yep.

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

If the wages of sin is death then all sins are merit a death penalty regardless of degree. For that reason we all die a physical death - not just Muslims.

We have just mastered the art of killing and don't use trees anymore.

Tambora
July 15th, 2016, 10:00 AM
Yep.

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
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Nameless.In.Grace
July 15th, 2016, 10:04 AM
Paul committed blasphemy.
He was not condemned under grace.
Under the law, he would have been condemned.

It makes no sense to say that you should be turned over to Satan for blasphemy so your flesh can be destroyed (ie. put to death), but your soul is still saved.
Your soul wouldn't be saved if you blasphemed.

Under the law, there were sins unto death (ie. the death penalty).
To be just, that sentence had to be carried out regardless if you were a believer or not.
Prayer to save them from that sentence would not only be useless, but would go against the law and justice.

I don't recall anywhere in scripture that says mankind should be guaranteed to detour justice of their actions by being allowed to go on with their wicked ways in hopes that one day they might repent.
Choose this day whom you will serve, not tomorrow, for tomorrow you may die.

When it comes to the meanest guy around, God is hands down the winner.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ8Gtx45Fmc

I indeed pray for Islam, but I have a guilty pleasure of watching the below video, and picturing Leonitus as Jesus and Xerxies as the God of Islam.

I think of the spears of Sparta as the Grace of Christ.

The hard hearted are truly pierced by the mystery of grace.

And yet, if a final number reject God to His face with intent to kill, then they will indeed meet the baddest man alive. [emoji33][emoji848]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1NV9DSykTbo


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Tambora
July 15th, 2016, 10:10 AM
I indeed pray for Islam, but I have a guilty pleasure of watching the below video, and picturing Leonitus as Jesus and Xerxies as the God of Islam.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1NV9DSykTbo


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsUCRcK7QYc

Nameless.In.Grace
July 15th, 2016, 10:12 AM
The Hulk said it best.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsUCRcK7QYc

Rotfl!!!! Favorite superhero movie scene ever!!! [emoji3][emoji106][emoji120]


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theophilus
July 15th, 2016, 12:00 PM
Paul committed blasphemy.
He was not condemned under grace.
Under the law, he would have been condemned.

Paul did not commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is unforgiveable.


It makes no sense to say that you should be turned over to Satan for blasphemy so your flesh can be destroyed (ie. put to death), but your soul is still saved.
Your soul wouldn't be saved if you blasphemed.

The bolded portion of your quote (above) means to put out of the congregation or to excommunicate from the fellowship. This person was put out (into the world which is ruled by Satan) until he repented.


Under the law, there were sins unto death (ie. the death penalty).
To be just, that sentence had to be carried out regardless if you were a believer or not.
Prayer to save them from that sentence would not only be useless, but would go against the law and justice.

And under grace, the only sin unto death is to reject the Lord Jesus Christ and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.


I don't recall anywhere in scripture that says mankind should be guaranteed to detour justice of their actions by being allowed to go on with their wicked ways in hopes that one day they might repent.

2 Peret 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Not a detour...more like giving us as much time as we need to hear, cogitate on and either accept or reject the Gospel.


Choose this day whom you will serve, not tomorrow, for tomorrow you may die.

Hebrews 3:13 But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end, 15 while it is said,

“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.”


When it comes to the meanest guy around, God is hands down the winner.

The sin in this bolded portion is:

A. Not considering God to be Holy, Righteous and True. To not think about Him rightly is sin.
B. God is all Truth, Beauty and Good.
C. Putting Him on a level with His creation "meanest guy around." THAT is blasphemy against God, which IS forgiveable.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ8Gtx45Fmc

I cannot open these links.

???

Nameless.In.Grace
July 15th, 2016, 01:40 PM
Unless I am mistaken, the Mahdi teaching is not even in the Quran.
It is in the Hadith. The Hadith are critical to the scholars of Islam and the substance of Imam's sermons.

You may or may not like him, but David Wood is an Atheist that tried to disprove Jesus, and became a self taught theologian and believer. He is also an Islamic Scholar, and he is an awesome reference on these matters.

The scholars know about it and ..... Akmadidinijad (lol to butchered spelling) prays for him to come openly at UN meetings.

You can google it and YouTube it.

PS. They really HATE Israel.

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CherubRam
July 15th, 2016, 05:13 PM
There is a military coup taking place in Turkey this moment. It is a unknown military faction. It could destabilize the Middle East.

theophilus
July 16th, 2016, 07:24 AM
When it comes to the meanest guy around, God is hands down the winner.


Here's another illustration:

I have heard people say on the news, after a tragedy, "I'm just trusting the man upstairs."

The "man upstairs" may as well be an uncle in the attic.

When someone calls God "the man upstairs" does that bring an image to my mind of a Holy, Just, Righteous, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Jealous, Compassionate, Loving, Immutable God?

No.

Again, it brings our Holy God down to our level which is a blasphemy (which is forgivable). The "man upstairs" does not indicate the fear and reverence we are to ascribe to when we contemplate God. He is holy. When we take that away from Him we have in mind another god (idolatry).

Does this make sense?

And I know we have both heard people say all kinds of things about Him and call Him all kinds of appellations: big daddy in the sky, the man, the man upstairs, etc...

Most of the time the people who say these things don't really understand what they are saying. I have done it myself.

:(

theophilus
July 16th, 2016, 10:39 AM
patrick jane,

No. I am not mad at you.

:)

The only way to communicate with you is through your user notes.

Go look!

patrick jane
July 16th, 2016, 11:02 AM
@patrick jane (http://theologyonline.com/member.php?u=16629),

No. I am not mad at you.

:)

The only way to communicate with you is through your user notes.

Go look!

Sorry, I added you to my contact list - we can be friends anytime

theophilus
July 16th, 2016, 11:10 AM
Sorry, I added you to my contact list - we can be friends anytime

I still do not see a way to contact you; I can't find a "contact list" anywhere in your profile.

WatchmanOnTheWall
March 1st, 2017, 04:48 PM
Sorry if this has been said already but while it is fine to let the foreigner in, it is not fine for them to set up places of worship that let them worship foreign gods just as Jesus' Father said:

Deuteronomy 12

The One Place of Worship

1These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess—as long as you live in the land. 2Destroy completely all the places on the high mountains, on the hills and under every spreading tree, where the nations you are dispossessing worship their gods. 3Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. 4You must not worship the Lord your God in their way.

And once they took the land God told the Judges to not let any foreigners to set up these places again:

Deuteronomy 12 :

21Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the Lord your God, 22and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.

And the following good kings removed these places of worship that were set up: Asa, Josiah and Hezekiah.

Now, some may say this was just for old testament times but if you want a Christian country to be destroyed then carry on watching what is happening in Europe. If you think however that the current problems being caused by Muslims has nothing to do with Islam and everything will eventually work out okay then you are are just watching history repeat itself. If you don't know about what has happened in these new testament times then please watch this educational 5 minute clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

Krsto
April 1st, 2017, 12:06 PM
Islam And Global Domination

Who will rule the world, Sunni's or Shia's?
Sunni and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam, along with other Islamic Factions.
As with Mohammad, terrorism was a way of life, a means to wealth and political power. It is a way through the religion of Islam for terrorist to rise to power.
So who do you think will be the one to dominate the world? I'm telling you the truth, it will be none of these.

Are you a Muslim or have you invested yourself in a Muslim community so that you have some basis for speaking on behalf of Muslims? Do you even have any Muslim friends?

Fatihah
April 1st, 2017, 02:34 PM
Islam And Global Domination

Who will rule the world, Sunni's or Shia's?
Sunni and Shia Islam are the two major denominations of Islam, along with other Islamic Factions.
As with Mohammad, terrorism was a way of life, a means to wealth and political power. It is a way through the religion of Islam for terrorist to rise to power.
So who do you think will be the one to dominate the world? I'm telling you the truth, it will be none of these.

Response: Muslims are the only religious people in the world with land and governments in the name of their religion and it took the West and other religions to separate religion and state just for them to exist. So if Muslims wanted to unite and take over the world, they would have been done so a long time ago because they have the power to do so then and now if Muslims wanted too.

Krsto
April 1st, 2017, 03:27 PM
Yes and Islam is moving in the opposite direction from an imperial faith, just as Christianity has been doing. I've never met a Muslim that wants a world-wide caliphate or thinks it's even possible. Establishment of a caliphate, in order to be legitimate (as opposed to the illegitimate actions of the Islamic State) must be approved by a consensus of the Ulama (body of Muslim scholars). This body of scholars recognizes Imperial Islam is a thing of the past. The US Constitution shows them that the goals of social justice to which Mohammad rallied them can be attained apart from Islam, and so far has done so better than Islam. The last legitimate caliphate, the Turkish Ottoman Empire, is not something Muslims of today wish to resurrect. This bit about Muslims taking over is just silly fear-mongering.

CherubRam
April 1st, 2017, 05:16 PM
Response: Muslims are the only religious people in the world with land and governments in the name of their religion and it took the West and other religions to separate religion and state just for them to exist. So if Muslims wanted to unite and take over the world, they would have been done so a long time ago because they have the power to do so then and now if Muslims wanted too.
Lol. Not in the real world.