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CherubRam
April 4th, 2015, 11:43 PM
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CherubRam
April 4th, 2015, 11:45 PM
Months of March.
NM = New Moon.
NM 2015 / 19-20.
NM 2014 / 28th of Feb and 1st of March. And 30 / 31 of March.
NM 2013 / 11-12.
NM 2012 / 22-23.
NM 2011 / 4-5.
NM 2010 / 15-16.
NM 2009 / 26-27.
NM 2008 / 7-8.
NM 2007 / 18-19.
NM 2006 / 28-29.
NM 2005 / 9-10.
NM 2004 / 20-21.
NM 2003 / 2-3.
NM 2002 / 13-14.
NM 2001 / 24-25.
NM 2000 / 5-6.
NM 1999 / 17-18.
NM 1998 / 27-28.
NM 1997 / 8-9.
NM 1996 / 18-19.
NM 1995 / 30-31.
NM 1994 / 11-12.
NM 1993 / 22-23.
NM 1992 / 4-5.
NM 1991 / 15-61.
NM 1990 / 26-27.
NM 1989 / 7-8.
NM 1988 / 17-18.
NM 1987 / 29-30.
NM 1986 / 10-11.
NM 1985 / 20-21.

As you can see every 19 years the moon completes its cycle.

CherubRam
April 4th, 2015, 11:46 PM
New Moon Cycle

(Book of Jubilees) 6:37 seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

Year after year there is a ten day difference. Example: The New Moon in 2004 of March is day 20th-21st. In 2005 of March it is 9th-10th.

Exodus.12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2: This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

Exodus.14:3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten. 4: This day came ye out in the month Abib.
Abib's new moon must occur before the spring harvest begins.

Deut. 16:9 Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn. This instruction concerns the waive sheaf which is cut and waived before Yahwah at the Passover festival in the middle of Abib. Since the spring harvest in Israel begins in late March or early April, this means that the 1st of Abib would begin some 15 days before the waive sheaf was cut; which means that Abib's new moon would occur at about the time of the vernal equinox.

The Westminster Dictionary of the Bible article Year confirms this:

The year begins with the month of Abib or Nisan (Exodus 12:2, 23:15, Esther 3:7) with the new moon just before or next after the vernal equinox.

Notes
If Abib were to begin 15 days before the spring equinox (the earliest it can ever be if the "nearest before or after guideline" is being followed) then the spiritual Passover will coincide with the celestial pass over. In other words, the sun will be passing over the equator at the same time the sacred Passover service is being celebrated. This phenomenon of the celestial and spiritual Passovers coinciding happens very rarely.

Note also that by choosing the new moon nearest the equinox, the Passover Service which occurs 14 days later on the evening of the 14th of Abib will never fall before the spring equinox; that is before the 20th March. The Passover Service will rarely coincide with the equinox, when the sun will also be passing over the equator; but it should never fall before the equinox. This means that the very earliest date for the 1st of Abib will be the 7th of March. The Passover Service should not be celebrated before the equinox.

CherubRam
April 4th, 2015, 11:47 PM
In regards to the weekly seventh day Sabbath. According to the Biblical Calendar, Passover is always on Saturday, the seventh day of the week.

Because the Biblical Calendar is 364 days a year, Sunday is always the start of that calendar, that always being the first day of the week.

Any calendar that has more than 364 days in a year, or less than 364 days in a year, and you will end up having the festivals on the wrong day of the week. There was no need to keep track of the missing days, because with that system of things that calendar would self correct in time.

Leviticus 23
King James Version (KJV)
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is The Feast of Unleavened Bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Leviticus 23
King James Version (KJV)
11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Does two Sabbaths next to each other make a plural? Is bringing the wheat harvest in for the priest, work? If so, then Monday is the 16th for the sheaf waving.

There were two Calendars in use during the days of Christ and his disciples. The Biblical Calendar, and the Hellenistic Lunar Calendar. Which one do you think Yahshua and his disciples used?

CherubRam
April 5th, 2015, 01:00 AM
So what does this all mean? It means that Easter is Easter, and that is has nothing to do with Passover, Unleavened Bread, or First Fruits.

CherubRam
April 5th, 2015, 06:43 PM
Passover begins on Friday at sunset and ends on Saturday at sunset.

Unleavened Bread begins Saturday at sunset and ends Sunday at sunset.

First Fruits begins Sunday at sunset and ends Monday at sunset.

Sunset on Monday is three full days and nights. The women went to visit the tomb Tuesday morning.

Beside that, there was a Roman guard of one hundred men guarding the tomb, because the tumb was ordered sealed shut.

CherubRam
April 5th, 2015, 07:23 PM
Note: A Roman Centurion is the commander of one hundred men.

Matthew 27:64, 65.
So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first.” “Take a guard,” Pilate answered. “Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how.”

Matthew 27:54
When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

Mark 15:39
And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died, he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”

Mark 15:44
Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died.

Mark 15:45
When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph.

CherubRam
December 10th, 2015, 05:14 PM
Heavenly Clock
Bardesan wrote the following:

Bardesan, therefore, an aged man, and one celebrated for his knowledge of events, wrote, in a certain work which was composed by him, concerning the synchronisms with one another of the luminaries of heaven, speaking as follows :-- Two revolutions of Saturn, 60 years; 5 revolutions of Jupiter, 60 years; 40 revolutions of Mars, 60 years; 60 revolutions of the Sun, 60 years; 72 revolutions of Venus, 60 years; 150 revolutions of Mercury, 60 years; 720 revolutions of the Moon, 60 years.

And this," says he, "is one synchronism of them all; that is, the time of one such synchronism of them. So that from hence it appears that to complete too such synchronisms there will be required six thousands of years. Thus :-- 200 revolutions of Saturn, six thousands of years; 500 revolutions of Jupiter, 6 thousands of years; 4 thousand revolutions of Mars, 6 thousands of years; Six thousand revolutions of the Sun, 6 thousands of years." 7 thousand and 200 revolutions of Venus, 6 thousands of years; 12 thousand revolutions of Mercury, 6 thousands of years." 72 thousand revolutions of the Moon, 6 thousands of years."

These things did Bardesan thus compute when desiring to show that this world would stand only six thousands of years

Sorry no online link... (By a certain Philip, disciple of Bardesan. Appendix after The Book of the Laws of Various Countries. Excerpted from Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 8. Edited by Alexander Roberts & James Donaldson. American Edition, 1886. Online Edition Copyright © 2004 by K. Knight).

CherubRam
December 10th, 2015, 05:23 PM
Book of Jubilees, Chapter 6


32 And you are to command the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning, three hundred and sixty four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts.

33 But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order.) And they will disturb the seasons, and the years will be dislodged, and they will neglect their ordinances.

34 And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and Sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

35 For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (sets) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.

36 For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon, how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

37 For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abomination the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and Sabbaths and feasts and Jubilees.

38 For this reason I command and testify to you that you must testify to them; for after your death your children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and Sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.


The Holy Hebrew Solar Calendar was replaced by the Hellenist in 167 BC with the Lunar Calendar. The Hellenist took over the temple from the priesthood in charge at that time. The Hellenist were a secret society that consisted of mainly the wealthy. This event is what lead to the Civil Hebrew Calendar.

daqq
December 11th, 2015, 01:55 PM
Book of Jubilees, Chapter 6


32 And you are to command the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning, three hundred and sixty four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts.

33 But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order.) And they will disturb the seasons, and the years will be dislodged, and they will neglect their ordinances.

34 And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and Sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

35 For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (sets) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.

36 For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon, how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

37 For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abomination the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and Sabbaths and feasts and Jubilees.

38 For this reason I command and testify to you that you must testify to them; for after your death your children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and Sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.


The Holy Hebrew Solar Calendar was replaced by the Hellenist in 167 BC with the Lunar Calendar. The Hellenist took over the temple from the priesthood in charge at that time. The Hellenist were a secret society that consisted of mainly the wealthy. This event is what lead to the Civil Hebrew Calendar.

The book of Jubilees is merely a secondary witness to 1Enoch. If you accept what is written in this passage then why do you not accept the book of 1Enoch as a witness of these same things? The section called "the book of the luminaries" from 1Enoch particularly lays out all of this and expounds the year in much greater detail than the book of Jubilees. Likewise the first statement from that section clearly states, (prophetically) that the year portrayed therein would hold firm unto the end of the age when a "new order of creation would be accomplished", (by the Father through His Messiah). The year was three hundred and sixty-four days, and each day was divided into eighteen parts, and there are clearly expounded four days which are the two equinoxes and the two solstices. The four months containing those days were therefore the only four months containing thirty-one days while all other months had thirty days. Three hundred sixty-four days, fifty-two weeks, and thus, exactly fifty-two Shabbatot. However the pole shift in the great day of Golgotha, which brought the sun down at midday, (as foretold in Isaiah 24:19-20 KJV and Amos 8:9-10 KJV) causing darkness over all the land from the sixth hour to the ninth hour, at the same time altered the length of the day, (not the length of the year) and thus "a new order of creation" was accomplished in the great day of Golgotha. The book of the luminaries from 1Enoch foretold this, and it was well known before the advent of Messiah, and it surely came to pass. :)

daqq
December 11th, 2015, 04:24 PM
Enoch 72:1 (R.H. Charles 1917)
1. The book of the courses of the luminaries of the heaven, the relations of each, according to their classes, their dominion and their seasons, according to their names and places of origin, and according to their months, which Uriel, the holy angel, who was with me, who is their guide, showed me; and he showed me all their laws exactly as they are, and how it is with regard to all the years of the world and unto eternity, till the new creation is accomplished which dureth till eternity.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm

Whether from the Ethiopic or Greek clearly R.H. Charles here renders the first usage of what would have been aion in the Greek as "eternity" (highlighted above) when it should read "age" instead because of the context itself: "with regard to all the years of the world and unto the [end of the] age, till the new creation is accomplished which endures unto [the] ages." The same appears to be the case with the other most popular extant translation:

Enoch 71:1 (R. Lawrence 1883)
1. The book of the revolutions of the luminaries of heaven, according to their respective classes, their respective powers, their respective periods, their respective names, the places where they commence their progress, and their respective months, which Uriel, the holy angel who was with me, explained to me; he who conducts them. The whole account of them, according to every year of the world for ever, until a new work shall be effected, which will be eternal.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/bep/bep05.htm

"The whole account of them, according to every year of the world to the [end of the] age, until a new work shall be effected, which will be into the ages [of the ages]." :)

:sheep:

daqq
December 12th, 2015, 02:00 PM
New Moon Cycle

(Book of Jubilees) 6:37 seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

Year after year there is a ten day difference. Example: The New Moon in 2004 of March is day 20th-21st. In 2005 of March it is 9th-10th.

Exodus.12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2: This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

Exodus.14:3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten. 4: This day came ye out in the month Abib.
Abib's new moon must occur before the spring harvest begins.

Deut. 16:9 Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn. This instruction concerns the waive sheaf which is cut and waived before Yahwah at the Passover festival in the middle of Abib. Since the spring harvest in Israel begins in late March or early April, this means that the 1st of Abib would begin some 15 days before the waive sheaf was cut; which means that Abib's new moon would occur at about the time of the vernal equinox.

The Westminster Dictionary of the Bible article Year confirms this:

The year begins with the month of Abib or Nisan (Exodus 12:2, 23:15, Esther 3:7) with the new moon just before or next after the vernal equinox.

Notes
If Abib were to begin 15 days before the spring equinox (the earliest it can ever be if the "nearest before or after guideline" is being followed) then the spiritual Passover will coincide with the celestial pass over. In other words, the sun will be passing over the equator at the same time the sacred Passover service is being celebrated. This phenomenon of the celestial and spiritual Passovers coinciding happens very rarely.

Note also that by choosing the new moon nearest the equinox, the Passover Service which occurs 14 days later on the evening of the 14th of Abib will never fall before the spring equinox; that is before the 20th March. The Passover Service will rarely coincide with the equinox, when the sun will also be passing over the equator; but it should never fall before the equinox. This means that the very earliest date for the 1st of Abib will be the 7th of March. The Passover Service should not be celebrated before the equinox.

Also, dear moonchild, it is not "new moon" but rather "new month". :)


An evening consists of the time period from when the sun begins its downward trek across the sky until sundown. On an eighteen hour sundial where each hour is eighty minutes as opposed to sixty, such as the sundial of Ahaz, the time of "the going down of the sun" would begin at about 1:20PM in the modern terms of a twenty-four hour clock, (and therefore the scripture says "between the evenings").

And as already stated:

And there is evening, and there is morning: Yom Echad. - Genesis 1:5

The moonstruck lunatic seleniazomenous cannot understand. :crackup:

Elohim made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and lesser light to rule the night, (Genesis 1:16). The greater light rules over the sons of the light and the lesser light rules over the sons of darkness. The sons of light walk by the light of the day and are sons of the day, (John 11:9-10 ASV, John 12:36 ASV, Ephesians 5:8 ASV, 1 Thessalonians 5:5 ASV) and this no doubt includes the calendar by which the sons of light walk. The sons of darkness walk by the lesser light and thus their calendar and days are likewise ruled by the moon, (GSN#4583 seleniazomai, moonstruck). :)

CherubRam
December 12th, 2015, 03:11 PM
Also, dear moonchild, it is not "new moon" but rather "new month". :)

A new month for Jews in Israel, but not in America.

daqq
December 12th, 2015, 03:51 PM
A new month for Jews in Israel, but not in America.

GSN#3561 noumenia ~ GSN#3501 neos (new) + GSN#3376 men (month).

Nothing about GSN#4582 selene, (the moon) and neomenia, (new month) and men-menas-mesin, (month-months) will be found throughout the entire Septuagint version of the entire TaNaK. Those who translated the Hebrew Scriptures into the Greek Septuagint, and likewise even Paul, (Colossians 2:16) did not understand chodesh to mean the moon or new moon. :)

CherubRam
December 12th, 2015, 04:20 PM
GSN#3561 noumenia ~ GSN#3501 neos (new) + GSN#3376 men (month).

Nothing about GSN#4582 selene, (the moon) and neomenia, (new month) and men-menas-mesin, (month-months) will be found throughout the entire Septuagint version of the entire TaNaK. Those who translated the Hebrew Scriptures into the Greek Septuagint, and likewise even Paul, (Colossians 2:16) did not understand chodesh to mean the moon or new moon. :)

Regards to New Moon. In the bible, the first day of the month began with the New Moon.

daqq
December 12th, 2015, 04:45 PM
Regards to New Moon. In the bible, the first day of the month began with the New Moon.

Why should I take your word for it without any evidence?
I call your bluff: prove it. :crackup:

patrick jane
December 12th, 2015, 04:49 PM
Why should I take your word for it without any evidence?
I call your bluff: prove it. :crackup:

:rotfl:

CherubRam
December 12th, 2015, 09:40 PM
:rotfl:

daqq
December 12th, 2015, 11:25 PM
:rotfl:


:rotfl:

The following passage is the first place "new moon" is found the KJV Masoretic Text:

1 Samuel 20:5 KJV (Ye olde king James Talmudic moonlighters rendering)
5. And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, [HSN#2320 chodesh] and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.

Can either of you tell me how it is that David, Jonathan, and king Saul with his court all knew when the new moon would occur, even before it actually occurred, if indeed the first sliver of light from the new moon must be observed before the day the new moon can be proclaimed?

1 Samuel 20:5 LXX-Septuagint
5. και ειπεν δαυιδ προς ιωναθαν ιδου δη νεομηνια αυριον και εγω καθισας ου καθησομαι μετα του βασιλεως φαγειν και εξαποστελεις με και κρυβησομαι εν τω πεδιω εως δειλης

νεομηνια : neomenia : GSN#3561 noumenia (GSN#3501+GSN#3376) - "new month"

Ye and ye olde king Jimmy with his court of court jesters are essentially third and fourth century Talmudists, moon watchers, and observers of clouds, though ye know it not. When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather today: for the sky is red and gloomy. Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but the appointed times ye cannot discern!
:rotfl:


:sheep:

1Mind1Spirit
December 13th, 2015, 07:16 AM
The following passage is the first place "new moon" is found the KJV Masoretic Text:

1 Samuel 20:5 KJV (Ye olde king James Talmudic moonlighters rendering)
5. And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, [HSN#2320 chodesh] and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.

Can either of you tell me how it is that David, Jonathan, and king Saul with his court all knew when the new moon would occur, even before it actually occurred, if indeed the first sliver of light from the new moon must be observed before the day the new moon can be proclaimed?

1 Samuel 20:5 LXX-Septuagint
5. και ειπεν δαυιδ προς ιωναθαν ιδου δη νεομηνια αυριον και εγω καθισας ου καθησομαι μετα του βασιλεως φαγειν και εξαποστελεις με και κρυβησομαι εν τω πεδιω εως δειλης

νεομηνια : neomenia : GSN#3561 noumenia (GSN#3501+GSN#3376) - "new month"

Ye and ye olde king Jimmy with his court of court jesters are essentially third and fourth century Talmudists, moon watchers, and observers of clouds, though ye know it not. When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather today: for the sky is red and gloomy. Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but the appointed times ye cannot discern!
:rotfl:


:sheep:

I'm not really sure what the deal is here. One man esteems one day above another.

Another man esteems every day alike.

From that scripture it looks like the dude is saying he's gonna hide out for three days after they declare the new moon sometime tomorrow.

I might be interested to know what time of year this moon was and what kind of spiritual truth may be gleaned from knowing a little more about it.
Also what was the importance of sitting at the king's table after the new moon or month was declared.
Looked like he was gonna be 3 days late, what's up with that?
Just curious. :)

1Mind1Spirit
December 13th, 2015, 07:43 AM
Beside that, there was a Roman guard of one hundred men guarding the tomb, because the tumb was ordered sealed shut.

What are you talkin' about?

Because a Centurion is a commander of 100 men, does not mean all 100 hundred of them are following him around all day every day.

I doubt seriously it took 100 soldiers to carry out a crucifixion.

However it is highly probable there was at least one ranking officer there.


The question then becomes, how many soldiers does it take to guard a tomb entrance?

We are talking of guarding against a few sneaky body snatchers not an army bent on tomb raiding.

Not only this Pilate had already confirmed his obligation by making sure his sentence had been carried out.

So what would compel him to spend money on a small detail of men let alone 100 of em to guard a body he had already given to Josephus.

He did have superiors he had to give account to for his expenditures.


There is still a very slim possibility Pilate sent some guards, but I find it more likely they used temple guards.


So color me stupid, but what point are you making with the statement, "besides there were 100 soldiers guarding Jesus?"

daqq
December 13th, 2015, 04:12 PM
I'm not really sure what the deal is here. One man esteems one day above another.

Another man esteems every day alike.

From that scripture it looks like the dude is saying he's gonna hide out for three days after they declare the new moon sometime tomorrow.

I might be interested to know what time of year this moon was and what kind of spiritual truth may be gleaned from knowing a little more about it.
Also what was the importance of sitting at the king's table after the new moon or month was declared.
Looked like he was gonna be 3 days late, what's up with that?
Just curious. :)

The point is the topic, which is the calendar, and "the dude" says nothing about a "new moon" but rather the new month. This was the point: chodesh does not mean "moon" but rather "month" and that is why Paul likewise uses noumenia in the Colossians passage, because that word means "new month", or should we now change the forty-two months in Rev 13:5 to forty-two moons? One only sees "new moon" throughout the text because of English translation pre-programming which began with the KJV, (and all others followed suit). If however you desire to understand the Passion week and chronology of the ministry of Messiah then why would you quote Paul saying what you do highlighted in the first statement of your post? :)

1Mind1Spirit
December 13th, 2015, 04:19 PM
The point is the topic, which is the calendar, and "the dude" says nothing about a "new moon" but rather the new month. This was the point: chodesh does not mean "moon" but rather "month" and that is why Paul likewise uses noumenia in the Colossians passage, because that word means "new month", or should we now change the forty-two months in Rev 13:5 to forty-two moons? One only sees "new moon" throughout the text because of English translation pre-programming which began with the KJV, (and all others followed suit). If however you desire to understand the Passion week and chronology of the ministry of Messiah then why would you quote Paul saying what you do highlighted in the first statement of your post? :)

Nuff said, bro.

Thanx.:)

CherubRam
December 13th, 2015, 04:21 PM
Why should I take your word for it without any evidence?
I call your bluff: prove it. :crackup:

I do not know what you are looking for. Did you study post #1, #2, and #3.
New month = New moon. Month and moon are related words.

1Mind1Spirit
December 13th, 2015, 04:30 PM
The point is the topic, which is the calendar, and "the dude" says nothing about a "new moon" but rather the new month. This was the point: chodesh does not mean "moon" but rather "month" and that is why Paul likewise uses noumenia in the Colossians passage, because that word means "new month", or should we now change the forty-two months in Rev 13:5 to forty-two moons? One only sees "new moon" throughout the text because of English translation pre-programming which began with the KJV, (and all others followed suit). If however you desire to understand the Passion week and chronology of the ministry of Messiah then why would you quote Paul saying what you do highlighted in the first statement of your post? :)

My bible soft ware is messin' up, so gettin' lazy on lookin' up scripture.

But if memory serves there is a verse some where about a man losin' everything in a month?


Only been a little over a year ago as I recall, experiencing that month.

So bear with me I'm a bit slow sometimes.

patrick jane
December 13th, 2015, 05:01 PM
So color me stupid, but what point are you making with the statement, "besides there were 100 soldiers guarding Jesus?"

Give me some crayons

daqq
December 13th, 2015, 05:29 PM
I do not know what you are looking for. Did you study post #1, #2, and #3.
New month = New moon. Month and moon are related words.

Are you not the one who is always accusing Catholics and Greek Hellenistas of inserting paganism into the sacred texts? And here you are twofold worse off inserting the teachings of Talmud, Bel, and Babylon. New month does not equal new moon!

:rotfl:

CherubRam
December 13th, 2015, 05:51 PM
Are you not the one who is always accusing Catholics and Greek Hellenistas of inserting paganism into the sacred texts? And here you are twofold worse off inserting the teachings of Talmud, Bel, and Babylon. New month does not equal new moon!

:rotfl:

lunar months are not an exact match with calendar months.
In lunar calendars, a lunar month is the time between two successive syzygies (new moons or full moons). The use of the lunar month varies by which culture has utilized the method, the main difference being when the "new" month begins.

1Mind1Spirit
December 13th, 2015, 05:55 PM
Give me some crayons

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No crayons, but here's some colors.

daqq
December 13th, 2015, 06:04 PM
lunar months are not an exact match with calendar months.
In lunar calendars, a lunar month is the time between two successive syzygies (new moons or full moons). The use of the lunar month varies by which culture has utilized the method, the main difference being when the "new" month begins.

Was it not you that quoted from the book of Jubilees on the previous page? Do you not hear what the author says in the very quote which you yourself posted? Up until the advent of Messiah the moon was ten days too early in its courses as pertaining to the length of the year, but now, after Golgotha, it is off by even more, that is, eleven days. The Hebrew year commences on the sundial at the vernal equinox, (i.e. the sundial of Ahaz) which has been approved by the fact that YHWH, through HaNavi Yeshayahu, utilized the sundial of Ahaz for a sign that king Hezekiah would be healed and go up into the House of YHWH in the Third Day, (which was fulfilled with the resurrection according to Matthew 27:51-53).

CherubRam
December 13th, 2015, 07:54 PM
Was it not you that quoted from the book of Jubilees on the previous page? Do you not hear what the author says in the very quote which you yourself posted? Up until the advent of Messiah the moon was ten days too early in its courses as pertaining to the length of the year, but now, after Golgotha, it is off by even more, that is, eleven days. The Hebrew year commences on the sundial at the vernal equinox, (i.e. the sundial of Ahaz) which has been approved by the fact that YHWH, through HaNavi Yeshayahu, utilized the sundial of Ahaz for a sign that king Hezekiah would be healed and go up into the House of YHWH in the Third Day, (which was fulfilled with the resurrection according to Matthew 27:51-53).

According to Astronomers who track the stars, we have not lost one day of time. The Moon has a cycle that repeats. I do not know what you are talking about.

daqq
December 13th, 2015, 09:07 PM
According to Astronomers who track the stars, we have not lost one day of time. The Moon has a cycle that repeats. I do not know what you are talking about.

That is not what I said, in fact, what I said was that the length of the year was NOT changed at Golgotha, (the number of minutes it takes for the earth to complete one revolution upon its axis which is now no longer an exact eighteen hours of eighty minutes nor twenty-four hours of sixty minutes but rather just under that number of minutes) while the length of the day was indeed changed at Golgotha, (there are still the same number of minutes in a revolution of the earth around the sun but not the same number of minutes in a day). This is exactly what might happen with a wobble in the axial tilt of the planet, that is, enough to be considered a minor pole shift, (as I also said happened at Golgotha). I will highlight in yellow from your own quotes what the author of Jubilees has written because it is perfectly clear from that writing that the cycle of the moon was ten days shorter than the year, (before Golgotha). I will also highlight in yellow your own words confirming that you make it clear that you also believe his statement:


New Moon Cycle

(Book of Jubilees) 6:37 seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

Year after year there is a ten day difference. Example: The New Moon in 2004 of March is day 20th-21st. In 2005 of March it is 9th-10th.

You also make it clear that you agree with the author of Jubilees that the year was three hundred and sixty-four days complete:


Book of Jubilees, Chapter 6


32 And you are to command the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning, three hundred and sixty four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year,and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts.

33 But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order.) And they will disturb the seasons, and the years will be dislodged, and they will neglect their ordinances.

34 And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, ["new months"] and seasons, and Sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

35 For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (sets) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.

36 For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon, how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

37 For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abomination the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and Sabbaths and feasts and Jubilees.

38 For this reason I command and testify to you that you must testify to them; for after your death your children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons ["new months"] and seasons and Sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.


The Holy Hebrew Solar Calendar was replaced by the Hellenist in 167 BC with the Lunar Calendar. The Hellenist took over the temple from the priesthood in charge at that time. The Hellenist were a secret society that consisted of mainly the wealthy. This event is what lead to the Civil Hebrew Calendar.

Now therefore why do you change your tune when it comes to new months and rather prefer to keep calling them new moons? And why do you deny the fact that the current JEWISH Lunisolar calendar is three hundred and fifty-four days in a normal year?

365.25 - 354 = 11.25 days

The Jewish Lunisolar calendar is now off by more than eleven days just as I said. And for the same reason they must add a thirteenth month seven times in nineteen years. This breaks the commandment to put a hedge around the month of Abib so that it does not wander from its appointed time, (Deuteronomy 16:1 - HSN#8104 shamar - "to hedge about"). :)

CherubRam
December 13th, 2015, 09:10 PM
That is not what I said, in fact, what I said was that the length of the year was NOT changed at Golgotha, (the number of minutes it takes for the earth to complete one revolution upon its axis which is now no longer an exact eighteen hours of eighty minutes nor twenty-four hours of sixty minutes but rather just under that number of minutes) while the length of the day was indeed changed at Golgotha, (there are still the same number of minutes in a revolution of the earth around the sun but not the same number of minutes in a day). This is exactly what might happen with a wobble in the axial tilt of the planet, that is, enough to be considered a minor pole shift, (as I also said happened at Golgotha). I will highlight in yellow from your own quotes what the author of Jubilees has written because it is perfectly clear from that writing that the cycle of the moon was ten days shorter than the year, (before Golgotha). I will also highlight in yellow your own words confirming that you make it clear that you also believe his statement:



You also make it clear that you agree with the author of Jubilees that the year was three hundred and sixty-four days complete:



Now therefore why do you change your tune when it comes to new months and rather prefer to keep calling them new moons? And why do you deny the fact that the current JEWISH Lunisolar calendar is three hundred and fifty-four days in a normal year?

365.25 - 354 = 11.25 days

The Jewish Lunisolar calendar is now off by more than eleven days just as I said. And for the same reason they must add a thirteenth month seven times in nineteen years. This breaks the commandment to put a hedge around the month of Abib so that it does not wander from its appointed time, (Deuteronomy 16:1 - HSN#8104 shamar - "to hedge about"). :)

All of the "CALENDARS" are off. Even so, not one day of time has been lost by tracking the movements of the stars.

iouae
December 13th, 2015, 09:11 PM
Are you not the one who is always accusing Catholics and Greek Hellenistas of inserting paganism into the sacred texts? And here you are twofold worse off inserting the teachings of Talmud, Bel, and Babylon. New month does not equal new moon!

:rotfl:

Is there anywhere in the Bible telling one to sight the crescent to tell the new moon?

The example of David knowing the next day would be new moon where he would miss sitting at Saul's table, seems to suggest the opposite.

OCTOBER23
December 13th, 2015, 09:12 PM
CHERUBGUY,

JUBILEE YEAR FOR THE ISRAELITES. ........


IF THE SHMETAH YEAR ENDS AND JUBILEE STARTS AND IS PART OF THE SHMETAH

AND THE SHMETAH YEAR IS 2015 ,

WHEN DOES THE JUBILEE YEAR START.

And is their a War coming because of the 4 blood moons ?

CherubRam
December 13th, 2015, 09:14 PM
CHERUBGUY,

JUBILEE YEAR FOR THE ISRAELITES. ........


IF THE SHMETAH YEAR ENDS AND JUBILEE STARTS AND IS PART OF THE SHMETAH

AND THE SHMETAH YEAR IS 2015 ,

WHEN DOES THE JUBILEE YEAR START.

And is their a War coming because of the 4 blood moons ?

No one knows for sure.

daqq
December 13th, 2015, 10:39 PM
Is there anywhere in the Bible telling one to sight the crescent to tell the new moon?

The example of David knowing the next day would be new moon where he would miss sitting at Saul's table, seems to suggest the opposite.

Yes, the passage does seem to suggest the opposite and, no, there is no commandment to sight a crescent moon or any fraction of a sliver thereof. It is not "new moon" but rather "new month", (chodesh or rosh chodesh) and there is different terminology used for the moon, for example, Genesis 37:9 and Deuteronomy 4:19 use HSN#3394 "yareach", (the moon) from HSN#3391 "yarach" which is a lunation period refering to man and not the calendar, (i.e. womankind, "three lunations", as in Exodus 2:2) and yareach is likely from where comes the name of the city called Jericho, (Yriych-ow) which was not to be rebuilt after YHWH destroyed it through Yhoshua and the sons of Yisrael. :)


CHERUBGUY,

JUBILEE YEAR FOR THE ISRAELITES. ........


IF THE SHMETAH YEAR ENDS AND JUBILEE STARTS AND IS PART OF THE SHMETAH

AND THE SHMETAH YEAR IS 2015 ,

WHEN DOES THE JUBILEE YEAR START.

And is their a War coming because of the 4 blood moons ?


No one knows for sure.

Matthew 4:23-24 KJV
23. And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
24. And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, [GSN#4583 seleniazomai] and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Strong's Ref. #4583
Romanized seleniazomai
Pronounced sel-ay-nee-ad'-zom-ahee
middle voice or passive from a presumed derivative of GSN4582; to be moon-struck, i.e. crazy:
KJV--be a lunatic.

Strong's Ref. #4582
Romanized selene
Pronounced sel-ay'-nay
from selas (brilliancy; probably akin to the alternate of GSN0138, through the idea of attractiveness); the moon:
KJV--moon.

Lunatic moonstruck seleniazomenous blood moon Hageeites . . . :rotfl:

CherubRam
December 14th, 2015, 12:04 AM
Oooops!

CherubRam
December 14th, 2015, 12:05 AM
Lunatic moonstruck seleniazomenous blood moon Hageeites . . . :rotfl:

Why are you picking on John Hagee?

daqq
December 14th, 2015, 12:26 AM
Before the year 2037 you will hear me say "there will be no more delay."

Let me guess, there was a slight low hum at first, then a woosh, then the sound of an electrical current flowing through your circuitry, and then this statement came spewing out because it was the only thing left in the databank. :crackup:


Why are you picking on John Hagee?

Every single one of the so-called four blood moons have been the typical coppery-red color of a typical total lunar eclipse despite all of the doctored bloody blood red photos which have flourished on the net. Therefore both Mark Biltz and John Hagee, (and the tag along money parasites like Irving Baxter) are false prophets fleecing the poor for a pair of expensive alligator shoes, private helicopters and jets, and a brand spanking new Jerusalem Prophecy college in downtown Jerusalem of below. :)

iouae
December 14th, 2015, 01:54 AM
My impression is this...

From sola scriptura it would be very difficult or impossible to come up with a calendar for keeping the Feasts of Lev 23.

How would you know when the month begins, when the 15th is etc?

Of course I could make up MY definition of new moon and I could define the 15th to be the night of the full moon and work back from that, but how would I know my calendar was correct from sola scriptura?

iouae
December 14th, 2015, 01:59 AM
Why are you picking on John Hagee?

John Hagee is wrong because the moon is turned to blood at the same time the sun turned to sackcloth.

This cannot refer to solar and lunar eclipses which occur 15 days apart.

And the explanation is due to the earth's atmosphere turning smokey as in a forest fire, or meteorite debris falling to earth, or a volcano erupting. This turns moon to blood and sun to sackcloth as one sees during a bush fire.

Also eclipses occur every year in Jerusalem, from Christ's day till today so these are no sign.

And a bunch of 4 eclipses on Feast Days is only special in the likes of Hagee's minds, never mentioned in the Bible.

And if the Holy Days are so special, why does he not keep them?

And his predictions are vague enough that one cannot hold him to them or call him a false prophet, yet "exciting" enough to sell books. Hague fits in with Nostradamus and the Bible Code in this regard.

CherubRam
December 14th, 2015, 02:27 AM
My impression is this...

From sola scriptura it would be very difficult or impossible to come up with a calendar for keeping the Feasts of Lev 23.

How would you know when the month begins, when the 15th is etc?

Of course I could make up MY definition of new moon and I could define the 15th to be the night of the full moon and work back from that, but how would I know my calendar was correct from sola scriptura?

With a 364 day calendar the 14th and 15th would always be on Saturday and Sunday. There could be a leap year every 7 years to add the lost days.

daqq
December 14th, 2015, 06:50 AM
With a 364 day calendar the 14th and 15th would always be on Saturday and Sunday. There could be a leap year every 7 years to add the lost days.

The above is where you are mistaken and, (like most futurists) you are essentially denying the work of YHWH and His Messiah at Golgotha because you are ignoring or rejecting the passages that were already quoted in this thread as having been fulfilled in the Messiah:

Isaiah 24:17-20 KJV
17. Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
18. And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
19. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Amos 8:9-10 KJV
9. And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, [Matthew 27:45] and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
10. And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.

There was no need for leap years or extra days before Golgotha because the year was exactly three hundred and sixty-four days, as previously stated, and as witnessed in both 1Enoch, (the book of the luminaries which also has already been referenced herein) and the book of Jubilees from which you yourself have already quoted. Three hundred sixty-four days are exactly fifty-two weeks, which are exactly fifty-two Sabbaths, and every year ended with the final Shabbat of the year. Thus fourteen Abib was always the second Shabbat of the new year and fell two weeks from the vernal equinox which was the first day of the new year. The calendar was exactly as the Essenes explain it and they surely knew what they spoke of concerning such things. The events of Golgotha are what changed the length of the day.

This is the true length of the ancient day:

18 hours x 80 minutes = 1440 minutes (sundial clock)
24 hours x 60 minutes = 1440 minutes (modern clock)

This is the true length of the year:

364 days x 1440 minutes = 524160 minutes

However the length of the day is not 1440 minutes anymore because the earth no longer takes that amount of time to make a full revolution on its axis. The sidereal day is nearly five minutes short of 1440 minutes while the time it takes for the earth to make a revolution around the sun remains the full 524160 minutes in a year. The days are divided into the same amount of minutes per year but the days are not a full twenty-four hours:

524160 minutes / 365.24235 days = 1435.1019 minutes per sidereal day
1435.1019 minutes / 24 hours = 59.7959 minutes per hour in a sidereal day
1435.1019 minutes / 60 minutes = 23.9183 hours per sidereal day
1440 minutes - 1435.1019 minutes = 4.8981 minutes

The modern sidereal day is short from the true day by about 4.9 minutes and this is the reason why the year is now 365.24235 days instead of an even 364 days. Those changes are due to the minor axial pole shift which occurred at Golgotha when the sun was brought down at midday, (Isaiah 24:19-20 and Amos 8:9-10 which are merely two of the many passages which were fulfilled in that Great Day of Atonement that futurists often deny). In addition there is no other natural physical explanation for darkness over all the land from the sixth hour to the ninth hour as even a total solar eclipse generally only lasts somewhere from six to eight minutes. Depending on whether or not the statement "from the sixth hour to the ninth hour" is inclusive of the sixth and the ninth the full amount of time is from a fourth to a third of the day, (either three or four hours of a twelve hour day). The extra day and a fourth now added to the modern calendar are the fingerprints of the work of God at Golgotha written into your modern calendar into the ages of the ages and as long as the earth endures. :)

iouae
December 14th, 2015, 09:41 AM
With a 364 day calendar the 14th and 15th would always be on Saturday and Sunday. There could be a leap year every 7 years to add the lost days.

Then you would not be following lunar months any more.

CherubRam
December 14th, 2015, 10:16 AM
Then you would not be following lunar months any more.
The Biblical Calendar is a solar calendar. The moons determine the seasons. A leap year every 7 years would help correct the time difference. In the bible, it was more important to keep the holidays on the same day of the week. The Civil Hebrew Calendar does not function that way.

iouae
December 14th, 2015, 10:20 AM
The Biblical Calendar is a solar calendar. The moons determine the seasons. A leap year every 7 years would help correct the time difference. In the bible, it was more important to keep the holidays on the same day of the week. The Civil Hebrew Calendar does not function that way.

The Jews have Feast days moving to any day of the week.
Why do you think the Biblical calendar is a solar one?

CherubRam
December 14th, 2015, 11:42 AM
The Jews have Feast days moving to any day of the week.
Why do you think the Biblical calendar is a solar one?
The Jews kept the solar calendar until 167 BC. When the Hellenistic Jews took over the temple they changed to a lunar calendar.
Book of Jubilees, Chapter 6
32 And you are to command the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning, three hundred and sixty four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year,

iouae
December 14th, 2015, 12:31 PM
The Jews kept the solar calendar until 167 BC. When the Hellenistic Jews took over the temple they changed to a lunar calendar.
Book of Jubilees, Chapter 6
32 And you are to command the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning, three hundred and sixty four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year,

I read that Luminaries link to the Book of Enoch which I presume is similar to this of Jubilees. How do you know these have credibility?

CherubRam
December 14th, 2015, 03:04 PM
I read that Luminaries link to the Book of Enoch which I presume is similar to this of Jubilees. How do you know these have credibility?
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Qumran calendrical texts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qumran_calendrical_texts

iouae
December 14th, 2015, 03:11 PM
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Qumran calendrical texts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qumran_calendrical_texts

I will have a look at this link.

But Christ seemed to keep feasts at the same time as the Jews.
They seemed to be one day out at the last supper.

If Christ kept Jewish feasts on the Jewish calendar, does that not make it right?

CherubRam
December 14th, 2015, 03:25 PM
I will have a look at this link.

But Christ seemed to keep feasts at the same time as the Jews.
They seemed to be one day out at the last supper.

If Christ kept Jewish feasts on the Jewish calendar, does that not make it right?
Both calendars were in use at that time. So I ask you, which calendar do you think Christ and the disciples used, the Hellenistic Lunar, or the Biblical solar?

False Prophet
December 14th, 2015, 03:40 PM
What does Jesus have to do with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

CherubRam
December 14th, 2015, 04:08 PM
What does Jesus have to do with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

Calendars and myths are two different subjects.

CherubRam
March 13th, 2016, 05:11 PM
There were two Calendars in use during the days of Christ and his disciples. The Biblical Calendar, and the Hellenistic Lunar Calendar. Which one do you think Yahshua and his disciples used?

CherubRam
December 16th, 2016, 08:52 PM
Bump for ?

daqq
December 17th, 2016, 02:53 AM
Bump for ?

The author of 1Enoch appears to have hidden the 365th day in a passage which follows the calendar section:

1 Enoch 81:2-6
2 And I observed the heavenly tablets, and read everything which is written thereon, and understood everything; and read the book of all the deeds of mankind, and of all the children of flesh that shall be upon the earth to the remotest generations.
3. And forthwith I blessed the Great Master, the King of glory for ever, in that He has made all the works of the world: and I extolled the Master because of His patience and blessed Him because of the children of men.
4. And after that I said: Blessed is the man who dies in righteousness and goodness; concerning whom there is no book of unrighteousness written, and against whom no day of judgement shall be found.
5. And those seven holy ones brought me and placed me on the earth before the door of my house, and said to me: Declare everything to your son Methuselah, and show to all of your children that no flesh is righteous in the sight of the Master, for He is their Creator.
6. One year we will leave you with your son, until you have given your [final] commands, that you may teach your children and [make a] record for them, and testify to all of your children; and in the second year shall you be taken from their midst.

This is the 365th year of Enoch and he mentions a day of judgment, saying, "Blessed is the man who dies in righteousness and goodness; concerning whom there is no book of unrighteousness written, and against whom no day of judgement shall be found." The Day of Judgment is thus concealed because for Enoch there was no day; for he walked with the Elohim, as did Noah to the flood and after. The Day of Judgment came with the flood of Noah, (and likely after that is accounted for in the calendar). The author of the book of Jubilees either did not recognize this or the work has been tampered with, (or both). After having studied the Egyptian calendar a little now in the last year it is clear that the ancient Egyptians knew that the length of the year was at least 365 days because of the heliacal rising of the star Sirius. This knowledge easily goes all the way back to the time when Yoseph would have gone down to Egypt, going by their own records. Yoseph, having been married to the daughter of the priest of On, (Heliopolis), would therefore have surely known the length of the year to have been at the least 365 days. Moshe having been raised in the house of Pharaoh, under the care of the daughter of Pharaoh, would have also known the length of the year as it was according to the Egyptians in those times. In addition the observations in "the book of the luminaries", (calendar section), of 1Enoch are clearly not observed from the perspective of the latitudes from either Yerushalem or Qumran but rather somewhere closer to the equator, (for example Egypt or northern Ethiopia), for at the latitudes where Yerushalem and Qumran are located the equinoxes and solstices are not 13+13+13+13 weeks apart, but rather, 14+14+12+12, even as it is to this day. The book of 1Enoch appears to be much older than the Damascus-Qumranites. It is interesting that the Ethiopian Church still maintains that 1Enoch came from their region and people, and not from Qumran or Yerushalem, and they might actually be correct, (which would also tilt the weight of the scales against the book of Jubilees seeing how the author actually does not seem to fully understand the book of 1Enoch or the ancient primitive form of astronomy in the book of the luminaries section).

Zeke
December 17th, 2016, 11:37 AM
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy248/CherubRam/BiblicalCalendar_zpsf0400065.gif

Anno Mundi (AM) vs Anno Domini (AD) which one you are born under is the key to being dead or alive to the powers that be.