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CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 05:20 PM
Islamic Deception

Al-Takeyya. Or: Al-Taqiyya.

In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islamic philosophy is not only acceptable, but it is a holy and blessed work. It is called "Al-Takeyya. Or. Al-Taqiyya. It is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam, and the conquest of the Non-Muslim world.

According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., "Al-Takeyya / Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates."

Definition from an Islamic encyclopedia:
"The word "Al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and / or strategies..."

In radical Islam, any Jew living in Israel is not considered innocent nor a civilian. Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the "Great Satan -- America," and the "Little Satan -- Israel," to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babies. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah. In particular, Christians whom they call "Crusaders", and also the Jews.

Muslims see America as naive, and its people ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
A Muslim thinks from the first moment that he lies that he is honouring Allah, and putting one over on the infidel, which he is directed to do.

"and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers" Sura 3:54

So then, lies and deception is a part of the Muslim religion! That would mean that they are beyond reason, and beyond redemption; totally lacking in any redeeming qualities, making themselves of a very low moral grade.

In regards to the Palestinians.
The Palestinians were of Greek ancestry. The Philistines came to the land of Canaan from Caphtor and other western coastlands. Caphtor is now called Crete and the people are called Cretans. They made war against the Canaanites for their land to establish Palestine. The Palestinian people were not, and are not, of Arab ancestry. The Arab people who now live in Israel want to reclaim Palestine, saying that they are the Palestinians is not true. What is true is that they are Arabs who wish to reclaim Canaanite land. Note: See Jeremiah 47:4 and Amos 9:7. The Philistines invaded Canaan about 1400 B.C. Hebrew settlement of Canaan was about 1200 B.C. At a later date the Canaanites became an Arabic tribe.

Meaning of the word Islam.
Islam is an Arabic word that means "submission or submit" (to Allah). It has a relationship to another Arabic word, such as Salaam, meaning "peace". The Arabic word "Muslim" is related to the word Islam and means a "vassal" of Allah, and is whom has surrendered and submitted (to Allah).

Muslims see homage to Allah as a sign of distinction; paying homage means serving the will of Allah above and beyond one's own goals. The Arabic word "Islam" simply means "submission", and is derived from the word meaning "peace."

In a religious context it simply means submit to the will of Allah. And so Islam means “submission” not “peace". It is frequently said that the word Islam means “peace.” It does not. Islam is the Arabic word for "submission." The Arabic word for “peace” is transliterated as salam or salaam.

In Arabic, as in English, these are distinctly different words.
It is their religion to destroy other nations to establish Islam. The politicians just do not get it. When the Muslims have established themselves in numbers and strength in a nation, then they are embolden to exert their will.

Mohammad said: If your enemy is stronger than you, make a pretense of peace, then when you are able, kill them.

From now on it is their plan to weaken the nations financially through terrorism.

Speculation: About 75% of Muslims believe the white race has to be destroyed in order for Islam to advance.

Islam is the Red Horse
Zechariah 1:8
During the night I had a vision—and there before me was a man riding a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in a ravine. Behind him were red, dappled and white horses.

Zechariah 6:2
The first chariot had a red horse, the second black, 3 the third white, and the fourth dappled—all of them powerful. 4 I asked the angel who was speaking to me, "What are these, my lord?"
5 The angel answered me, "These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in the presence of the Lord of the whole world. 6 The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, [Russia] the one with the white horses toward the west, [America] and the one with the dappled horses toward the south." [Austrailia]
[The red horse goes east]


Revelation 6:4
Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.


The Babylonian Talmud says: "Five things did Canaan charge his sons: love one another, love robbery, love lewdness, hate your masters, and do not speak the truth" The Last Will of Canaan, Babylonian Talmud, Peshachim 113b.

These five points have been in operation for the Canaanites for three thousand years. The Will of Canaan even today remains instructions for the Canaanite heirs. At the same time, it remains unknown to the peoples whom the Canaanites continue to rob, enslave, and massacre. The instructions are a command to commit genocide against the people of Shem.

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 08:34 PM
According to Muslims, a Christian terrorist is a person who teaches the word of God. I presume that they mean that it is disruptive to their beliefs.

CherubRam
February 23rd, 2015, 06:39 PM
Did anyone like this thread topic?

Dennyg1
February 23rd, 2015, 06:40 PM
Did anyone like this thread topic?

NO

CherubRam
February 23rd, 2015, 07:55 PM
Genesis 16:12. New International Version


He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

One Ugly Christian
February 24th, 2015, 08:38 AM
Liars? Oh, no wonder the liberals love them.

CherubRam
February 24th, 2015, 12:49 PM
Liars? Oh, no wonder the liberals love them.
Pass

CherubRam
February 26th, 2015, 05:16 AM
Bump.

CherubRam
April 22nd, 2015, 11:55 PM
"and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers" Sura 3:54

Our bible says that our God is the God of truth.

Isaiah 65:16
That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

DaveDodo007
April 24th, 2015, 03:33 PM
Wasn't this how they captured Medina, though I'm not sure that the Hadiths can be considered a valid source?

CherubRam
June 26th, 2015, 06:40 AM
Islamist attack American gas Factory in France.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/man-decapitated-possible-islamist-attack-french-factory-reports-n382306

Iraqi pilot being trained in America flew military plane that crashed in Arizona, hitting gas pipeline.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c08423265eb24520be3201972171ae12/military-plane-crashes-southern-arizona-sparks-fire

CherubRam
June 26th, 2015, 08:35 AM
When peaceful Muslims feel embolden, they quickly change their stance. In the Quran, murder is only a sin among Muslims.

violahalle6
June 26th, 2015, 08:42 AM
It is impossible to understand Islam and Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

CherubRam
June 26th, 2015, 09:11 AM
It is impossible to understand Islam and Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

It is unrealistic to expect Muslims to live by the law of the land, when they have their own moral standard and laws.

CherubRam
June 26th, 2015, 09:14 AM
Honor killings are on the rise in America, Canada, and in Europe.
http://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings

CherubRam
June 26th, 2015, 09:28 AM
Honor Killing in America

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/01/honor_killing_in_america.html

CherubRam
June 28th, 2015, 07:15 AM
I think honor killings are on the rise here in America, because the children do not believe the parents would actually kill them. I have even read stories were the parents beg the children to come home, saying that nothing would happen to them. Unfortunately the children are now dead.

kiwimacahau
June 28th, 2015, 07:55 PM
Taqiyyah does not mean what you think it does.

Taqiyya is very much misunderstood. It is a practice that was begun by the Shi'ite during an era when there was much hostilities between Shi'a and Sunni and the Shi'a were deeply persecuted. It became acceptable among the Shi'ite to profess to be Sunni when living in a Sunni Nation. Later it grew to include any instance that contrubuted to the growth of Shi'ism.

Among the Sunni there are instances were some feel it is a forgivable sin to use Taqiyyah. The 4 Madhabs of Sunni Shariah law do recognize times when taqqiyah would not be a punishable crime those being:

Quote:
According to Shari'ah, lying is not permitted except in specific cases which do not lead to loss of rights, bloodshed or slander of people’s honor, etc., but which concern saving lives, reconciling between people, or creating love between husband and wife.
However the ruling by most scholars of Qur'anic studies and Islamic Jurisprudence we have:

Quote:
We can say, without doubt that, lying is one of the most evil characteristics, of which all religions and systems of ethics warn against and which man's innate common sense (Fitrah) agrees that it is wrong. Any who possess normal chivalry and sound reason would be obliged to same the same.
Truthfulness is one of the pillars on which the moral survival of the world depends. It is the foundation of praiseworthy characteristics, the foundation of prophethood, the result of taqwah. Were it not for truthfulness, the rulings of all divinely-revealed laws would collapse. Acquiring the characteristic of lying is akin to shedding one's humanity, because speaking is an exclusively human trait.
(Bareeqah Mahmoodiyyah, Muhammad al-Khaadimi, 3/183

CherubRam
June 28th, 2015, 08:46 PM
Taqiyyah does not mean what you think it does.

What people say and do is often two different things. But thanks for adding to this thread. :up:

CherubRam
November 13th, 2015, 07:00 PM
Bumping for Muslims.

Wednesday Addams
November 13th, 2015, 07:42 PM
A response: http://islamicresponse.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/what-is-taqiyya.html

The Apostle Paul actually went and did the Nazarite Vow in Acts 21 to convince the Law believing new Jewish believers that he was walking orderly and obedient to the Law, as instructed by James. This is the sort of taqiyya the media accuses Muslims of. Not one person has ever answered this.

CherubRam
November 13th, 2015, 07:53 PM
A response: http://islamicresponse.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/what-is-taqiyya.html

The Apostle Paul actually went and did the Nazarite Vow in Acts 21 to convince the Law believing new Jewish believers that he was walking orderly and obedient to the Law, as instructed by James. This is the sort of taqiyya the media accuses Muslims of. Not one person has ever answered this.

The difference is this: It was to save lives. Muslims use taqiyya to destroy.

CherubRam
November 13th, 2015, 07:56 PM
A response: http://islamicresponse.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/what-is-taqiyya.html

The Apostle Paul actually went and did the Nazarite Vow in Acts 21 to convince the Law believing new Jewish believers that he was walking orderly and obedient to the Law, as instructed by James. This is the sort of taqiyya the media accuses Muslims of. Not one person has ever answered this.
Have you read my thread called "Allah Islam Muslim" Link: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108238

CherubRam
November 29th, 2015, 11:48 AM
Muslim Allegiance
The difference between Christians and Muslims is, for us, killing those who do not believe is murder. For the Muslim, they are told to kill the unbelievers, that it is their duty. That is what makes them an enemy of the state. Deception is a way of life for them.

Interplanner
November 29th, 2015, 11:53 AM
Have you read my thread called "Allah Islam Muslim" Link: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108238



Re Wednesday A's comment:
Paul's context was the practices of a sect within a federal government that allowed the sect to exist in limited ways.

Al taqia has to do with Islamic strategies to take other nations. You can even deny that you are Muslim. Paul would not have been able to deny that he was Jewish or that he was upholding the Law in 1st century Judaism. In Rom 3:31 he showed that he was upholding the Law, but not by the practice of it, rather by the need for it to show how the Gospel was needed.

Al taqia today would be when Muslims claim to be pluralist in a representative republic, but in fact disdain pluralism, representation and constitutions.

CherubRam
November 29th, 2015, 11:58 AM
Re Wednesday A's comment:
Paul's context was the practices of a sect within a federal government that allowed the sect to exist in limited ways.

Al taqia has to do with Islamic strategies to take other nations. You can even deny that you are Muslim. Paul would not have been able to deny that he was Jewish or that he was upholding the Law in 1st century Judaism. In Rom 3:31 he showed that he was upholding the Law, but not by the practice of it, rather by the need for it to show how the Gospel was needed.

Al taqia today would be when Muslims claim to be pluralist in a representative republic, but in fact disdain pluralism, representation and constitutions.

Correct: They do not really hold an allegiance to the EU or US values.

Interplanner
November 29th, 2015, 12:06 PM
When you read about unrest in French suburbs, it is because the youths are taught exclusive theocracy at every meeting. Shari'a. Halal. They find themselves exasperated when they step out in public and there are French women who are 'uncovered' in the halal sense.

CherubRam
December 27th, 2015, 09:47 AM
Islamic Deception: Al-Takeyya or Al-Taqiyya:
Lipstick on a pig!
Iran's Rouhani says it's up to Muslims to correct Islam's image. http://news.yahoo.com/irans-rouhani-says-muslims-correct-islams-image-121337135.html

Interplanner
December 27th, 2015, 10:43 AM
Islamic Deception: Al-Takeyya or Al-Taqiyya:
Lipstick on a pig!
Iran's Rouhani says it's up to Muslims to correct Islam's image. http://news.yahoo.com/irans-rouhani-says-muslims-correct-islams-image-121337135.html


I guess it would be 'on a pig' because that animal is not halal, and would be the least suspected animal. So it is an astute picture.

CherubRam
December 27th, 2015, 11:20 PM
Every Five Minutes A Christian Is Killed For The Faith.
http://shoebat.com/every-five-minutes-a-christian-is-killed-for-the-faith-click-here-to-save-christian-lives/
Christians do not care about their brothers and sisters in Christ.

CherubRam
December 27th, 2015, 11:46 PM
The religion of Islam should be outlawed for being to vile for a civil society. All of the good things preached from the Quran, has to do with how Muslims should treat each other, not other people. Muslims are of a very low moral grade. Their pretense of being peaceful is so they go unhindered.

CherubRam
December 27th, 2015, 11:48 PM
Every Five Minutes A Christian Is Killed For The Faith.
http://shoebat.com/every-five-minutes-a-christian-is-killed-for-the-faith-click-here-to-save-christian-lives/
Christians do not care about their brothers and sisters in Christ.

Bumping to next page.

gcthomas
December 28th, 2015, 05:05 AM
Bumping to next page.

Your figures are bunk, and constitute a huge libel. Isn't that against the Ten Commandments?

CherubRam
December 28th, 2015, 08:04 AM
Your figures are bunk, and constitute a huge libel. Isn't that against the Ten Commandments?

The figure is an average.

bybee
December 28th, 2015, 08:07 AM
Your figures are bunk, and constitute a huge libel. Isn't that against the Ten Commandments?

The Qur'an states that it is okay to lie, cheat, torture and murder in order to convert the infidel to Islam. And that is not libel.

gcthomas
December 28th, 2015, 08:44 AM
The figure is an average.

No - it is a dishonest misrepresentation of an unreliable and out of date stat that does not even relate to what is claimed.

gcthomas
December 28th, 2015, 08:46 AM
The Qur'an states that it is okay to lie, cheat, torture and murder in order to convert the infidel to Islam. And that is not libel.

To blame muslims for this million Christian deaths over a decade referred to in that report, when Christians killed over 90% of that million, that is a plain lie.

gcthomas
December 28th, 2015, 08:53 AM
Duplicate

CherubRam
December 28th, 2015, 09:24 AM
To blame muslims for this million Christian deaths over a decade referred to in that report, when Christians killed over 90% of that million, that is a plain lie.

You are speaking of one nation, and I am speaking of an overview in the world.

gcthomas
December 28th, 2015, 01:40 PM
You are speaking of one nation, and I am speaking of an overview in the world.

No, I am speaking of the regularly repeated claim that 100 000 christians are killed for their faith every year worldwide. (= 1 every 5 minutes)

Here is an analysis of the claim, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24864587, which finds the figure a gross exaggeration.

If you disagree that the figure is a lie, please provide a citation or reference for the figure you are claiming.

CherubRam
December 28th, 2015, 02:11 PM
No, I am speaking of the regularly repeated claim that 100 000 christians are killed for their faith every year worldwide. (= 1 every 5 minutes)

Here is an analysis of the claim, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24864587, which finds the figure a gross exaggeration.

If you disagree that the figure is a lie, please provide a citation or reference for the figure you are claiming.
There is something wrong with your story, but thanks for bring it to my attention.

Estimates show that there are equal numbers of Muslims among the Hutus as there are among the Tutsis.

gcthomas
December 28th, 2015, 02:40 PM
Estimates show that there are equal numbers of Muslims among the Hutus as there are among the Tutsis.

And these are historical deaths, and unrelated to the faith of the victims. 90% of your '1 every 5 minutes' figure should not be included.

egyptianmuslim
December 28th, 2015, 02:49 PM
The Qur'an states that it is okay to lie, cheat, torture and murder in order to convert the infidel to Islam. And that is not libel.

But you and infidels is one hand.

egyptianmuslim
December 28th, 2015, 02:57 PM
Islamic Deception

Al-Takeyya. Or: Al-Taqiyya.

In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islamic philosophy is not only acceptable, but it is a holy and blessed work. It is called "Al-Takeyya. Or. Al-Taqiyya. It is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam, and the conquest of the Non-Muslim world.

According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., "Al-Takeyya / Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates."

Definition from an Islamic encyclopedia:
"The word "Al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and / or strategies..."

In radical Islam, any Jew living in Israel is not considered innocent nor a civilian. Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the "Great Satan -- America," and the "Little Satan -- Israel," to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babies. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah. In particular, Christians whom they call "Crusaders", and also the Jews.

Muslims see America as naive, and its people ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
A Muslim thinks from the first moment that he lies that he is honouring Allah, and putting one over on the infidel, which he is directed to do.

"and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers" Sura 3:54

So then, lies and deception is a part of the Muslim religion! That would mean that they are beyond reason, and beyond redemption; totally lacking in any redeeming qualities, making themselves of a very low moral grade.

In regards to the Palestinians.
The Palestinians were of Greek ancestry. The Philistines came to the land of Canaan from Caphtor and other western coastlands. Caphtor is now called Crete and the people are called Cretans. They made war against the Canaanites for their land to establish Palestine. The Palestinian people were not, and are not, of Arab ancestry. The Arab people who now live in Israel want to reclaim Palestine, saying that they are the Palestinians is not true. What is true is that they are Arabs who wish to reclaim Canaanite land. Note: See Jeremiah 47:4 and Amos 9:7. The Philistines invaded Canaan about 1400 B.C. Hebrew settlement of Canaan was about 1200 B.C. At a later date the Canaanites became an Arabic tribe.

Meaning of the word Islam.
Islam is an Arabic word that means "submission or submit" (to Allah). It has a relationship to another Arabic word, such as Salaam, meaning "peace". The Arabic word "Muslim" is related to the word Islam and means a "vassal" of Allah, and is whom has surrendered and submitted (to Allah).

Muslims see homage to Allah as a sign of distinction; paying homage means serving the will of Allah above and beyond one's own goals. The Arabic word "Islam" simply means "submission", and is derived from the word meaning "peace."

In a religious context it simply means submit to the will of Allah. And so Islam means “submission” not “peace". It is frequently said that the word Islam means “peace.” It does not. Islam is the Arabic word for "submission." The Arabic word for “peace” is transliterated as salam or salaam.

In Arabic, as in English, these are distinctly different words.
It is their religion to destroy other nations to establish Islam. The politicians just do not get it. When the Muslims have established themselves in numbers and strength in a nation, then they are embolden to exert their will.

Mohammad said: If your enemy is stronger than you, make a pretense of peace, then when you are able, kill them.

From now on it is their plan to weaken the nations financially through terrorism.

Speculation: About 75% of Muslims believe the white race has to be destroyed in order for Islam to advance.

Islam is the Red Horse
Zechariah 1:8
During the night I had a vision—and there before me was a man riding a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in a ravine. Behind him were red, dappled and white horses.

Zechariah 6:2
The first chariot had a red horse, the second black, 3 the third white, and the fourth dappled—all of them powerful. 4 I asked the angel who was speaking to me, "What are these, my lord?"
5 The angel answered me, "These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in the presence of the Lord of the whole world. 6 The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, [Russia] the one with the white horses toward the west, [America] and the one with the dappled horses toward the south." [Austrailia]
[The red horse goes east]


Revelation 6:4
Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.


The Babylonian Talmud says: "Five things did Canaan charge his sons: love one another, love robbery, love lewdness, hate your masters, and do not speak the truth" The Last Will of Canaan, Babylonian Talmud, Peshachim 113b.

These five points have been in operation for the Canaanites for three thousand years. The Will of Canaan even today remains instructions for the Canaanite heirs. At the same time, it remains unknown to the peoples whom the Canaanites continue to rob, enslave, and massacre. The instructions are a command to commit genocide against the people of Shem.

You hate peace

CherubRam
December 28th, 2015, 05:12 PM
You hate peace

I hate liars, that is what I hate.

CherubRam
December 28th, 2015, 05:16 PM
And these are historical deaths, and unrelated to the faith of the victims. 90% of your '1 every 5 minutes' figure should not be included.

Since the defeat of the Vatican in 1798 by Napoleon, the Catholics have stopped killing Christians.

False Prophet
December 28th, 2015, 06:08 PM
Satan is the father of the lie.

gcthomas
December 29th, 2015, 02:28 AM
I hate liars, that is what I hate.
Then why are you repeating statistical lies and defending them against exposure?
You ought to be ashamed.

CherubRam
December 29th, 2015, 03:22 AM
Then why are you repeating statistical lies and defending them against exposure?
You ought to be ashamed.
Your news story was defective to say the least. Perhaps a Muslim wrote it, or the reporter was lied to.

gcthomas
December 29th, 2015, 04:11 AM
Your news story was defective to say the least. Perhaps a Muslim wrote it, or the reporter was lied to.
Yet you can't give a source of the figure you faithfully believe. The BBC page I linked you to had interviewed the actual author of the figure! Was he lying? Are you resulting in statistics from this liar?

CherubRam
December 29th, 2015, 07:35 AM
Yet you can't give a source of the figure you faithfully believe. The BBC page I linked you to had interviewed the actual author of the figure! Was he lying? Are you resulting in statistics from this liar?
Quote BBC
"Its researchers started by estimating the number of Christians who died as martyrs between 2000 and 2010 - about one million by their reckoning - and divided that number by 10 to get an annual number, 100,000.
But how do they reach that figure of one million?
When you dig down, you see that the majority died in the civil war in the Democratic Republic of Congo."

This BBC quote in the article is a lie: "The DRC is a Christian country. In the civil war, Christians were killing Christians."

Estimates show that there are equal numbers of Muslims among the Hutus as there are among the Tutsis.


AGAIN, THE FIGURE IS AN ESTIMATED AVERAGE.

CherubRam
December 29th, 2015, 07:43 AM
You hate peace

The bible does not say, kill non-believers, but the Quran does. The word "Islam" means "submit," it does not mean "peace."

CherubRam
December 29th, 2015, 08:09 AM
It was estimated in 2002 that Muslims constitute 45% of the population of Africa.

gcthomas
December 29th, 2015, 09:09 AM
This BBC quote in the article is a lie: "The DRC is a Christian country. In the civil war, Christians were killing Christians."
The CIA Facebook says between 80% and 90% are Christian. So another easily refuted error from you.


Estimates show that there are equal numbers of Muslims among the Hutus as there are among the Tutsis.
Hutus and Tutsis? Haha. I think you are confusing the DRC with Rwanda.

Come on, when you are faced with definitive proof of a mistake, be grown up and accept it. To continue with a bare faced lie to avoid having to back down is a poor show.

CherubRam
December 29th, 2015, 10:13 AM
The CIA Facebook says between 80% and 90% are Christian. So another easily refuted error from you.


Hutus and Tutsis? Haha. I think you are confusing the DRC with Rwanda.

Come on, when you are faced with definitive proof of a mistake, be grown up and accept it. To continue with a bare faced lie to avoid having to back down is a poor show.
Yes, Rwanda is now about 90% Christian.


DRC
The Democratic Republic of the Congo (/ˈkɒŋɡoʊ/; French pronunciation: ​[kɔ̃ɡo]; French: République démocratique du Congo), also known as DR Congo, DRC, DROC, RDC, Congo-Kinshasa, or simply Congo is a country located in Central Africa. From 1971 to 1997 it was named Zaïre. The DRC borders the Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, and South Sudan to the north; Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzania to the east; Zambia and Angola to the south; and the Atlantic Ocean to the west.

gcthomas
December 29th, 2015, 10:40 AM
Yes, Rwanda is now about 90% Christian.


DRC
The Democratic Republic of the Congo (/ˈkɒŋɡoʊ/; French pronunciation: ​[kɔ̃ɡo]; French: République démocratique du Congo), also known as DR Congo, DRC, DROC, RDC, Congo-Kinshasa, or simply Congo is a country located in Central Africa. From 1971 to 1997 it was named Zaïre. The DRC borders the Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, and South Sudan to the north; Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Tanzania to the east; Zambia and Angola to the south; and the Atlantic Ocean to the west.

Huh? What is this supposed to tell me?

egyptianmuslim
December 29th, 2015, 11:45 AM
The bible does not say, kill non-believers, but the Quran does. The word "Islam" means "submit," it does not mean "peace."

No,OT says. Muslims must fight the people who fight Islam but not kill them like my post now, but killing is in war condition . USA is not against Islam because it gives the chance for Muslims to do their religion .
Islam means submit , most muslims don't hate non muslims and would like to make peace with them, but you CR not like to make this peace ... you hate peace.

egyptianmuslim
December 29th, 2015, 11:51 AM
I hate liars, that is what I hate.

We also.

CherubRam
December 29th, 2015, 12:29 PM
No,OT says. Muslims must fight the people who fight Islam but not kill them like my post now, but killing is in war condition . USA is not against Islam because it gives the chance for Muslims to do their religion .
Islam means submit , most muslims don't hate non muslims and would like to make peace with them, but you CR not like to make this peace ... you hate peace.
The Quran contains about 109 verses that call Muslims to kill nonbelievers for the sake of Islam.

Quran says: kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

CherubRam
December 29th, 2015, 04:12 PM
You can forget about Christian deaths by Muslims being counted.

The United Nations has stopped keeping an official count, citing unreliable sources.

gcthomas
December 29th, 2015, 05:04 PM
You can forget about Christian deaths by Muslims being counted.

The United Nations has stopped keeping an official count, citing unreliable sources.

No one counts deaths by Muslims, so you're OK with supplying that deaths by Christian number instead. I get it.

egyptianmuslim
December 29th, 2015, 10:24 PM
The Quran contains about 109 verses that call Muslims to kill nonbelievers for the sake of Islam.

Quran says: kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

All these verses is about war/battle condition and was revealed to Mohammed when he was in war condition against infidels , and there is many verses that told us to stop fighting if they stop.

egyptianmuslim
December 29th, 2015, 10:28 PM
we are not in war condition with USA and most all muslims work with western countries against extrimists.

CherubRam
December 30th, 2015, 01:33 AM
we are not in war condition with USA and most all muslims work with western countries against extrimists.
The Muslim extremist want to take over the Muslim governments. Muslim governments want America and Europe to spend money and manpower for their problem.

CherubRam
December 30th, 2015, 01:35 AM
All these verses is about war/battle condition and was revealed to Mohammed when he was in war condition against infidels , and there is many verses that told us to stop fighting if they stop.
The stop fighting part is about taking prisoners for slaves.