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CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 11:55 AM
All who will inherit life immortal will be gods.

Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were powerful men of old, men of renown.

[Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.]

Job 1:6
One day the sons of God [men] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Job 2:1
One day the sons of God came again to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Hos 1:10
“Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called sons of God.

Luke 20:36
For they cannot die anymore, because they are like [angels/messengers] and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.

Galatians 3:26
for you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yashua.

John 10:33-34
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be (a God)."
34 Yashua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

Yashua was asked if he was the Messiah, he was not asked if he was God. It has always been understood that the Messiah would be a god from Heaven.

John 10:24
The Jews who were there gathered around him, asking, “How long will you keep us in suspense, if you’re the Messiah, tell us plainly?”

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Truster
February 22nd, 2015, 11:59 AM
That's all the proof I need.

You are a certifiable nutcase.

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 12:07 PM
That's all the proof I need.

You are a certifiable nutcase.

I take it that you do not like the scriptures I quoted. A god is an immortal being. Only Yahwah can grant immortality.

False Prophet
February 22nd, 2015, 12:14 PM
Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.
But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name. [13] Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1

Squeaky
February 22nd, 2015, 12:20 PM
Gen 6:4
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
(NKJ)

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(KJV)

Gen 6:4
4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
(ASV)

5303 nephiyl (nef-eel');

or nephil (nef-eel'); from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:

KJV-- giant.

jamie
February 22nd, 2015, 12:22 PM
All who will inherit life immortal will be gods.


:thumb: Yes.

There three kinds of beings: God, angels, unbelievers.

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 12:28 PM
Gen 6:4
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
(NKJ)

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(KJV)

Gen 6:4
4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
(ASV)

5303 nephiyl (nef-eel');

or nephil (nef-eel'); from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:

KJV-- giant.

Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade. Fallen, as in falling from grace. No redeeming qualities.

Squeaky
February 22nd, 2015, 12:33 PM
Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade. Fallen, as in falling from grace. No redeeming qualities.

I said
I don't know where you got that but strongs dictionary defines it like this
5303 nephiyl (nef-eel');

or nephil (nef-eel'); from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:

KJV-- giant.

If your using the NIV maybe you should rethink which bible to read.

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 12:35 PM
:thumb: Yes.

There three kinds of beings: God, angels, unbelievers.

The word "angel" is not a biblical word, it is from the Pagan religion.

Numbers 21:5. they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the desert? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!"
6. Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died.

Jude 5. Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6. And the [angels / messengers] who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.


The transliteral is "messenger" or "messenger of God".

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 12:37 PM
I said
I don't know where you got that but strongs dictionary defines it like this
5303 nephiyl (nef-eel');

or nephil (nef-eel'); from 5307; properly, a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:

KJV-- giant.

If your using the NIV maybe you should rethink which bible to read.

I study from all the bibles. Think for yourself. Those who wrote the KJV are men, and men are fallible.

jamie
February 22nd, 2015, 12:57 PM
The word "angel" is not a biblical word, it is from the Pagan religion.


The root of "church" is Circe, the daughter of the sun, a sorceress.

So what? Are believers required by scripture to use ecclesia or congregation or assembly?

jamie
February 22nd, 2015, 01:03 PM
The word "angel" is not a biblical word, it is from the Pagan religion.

The transliteral is "messenger" or "messenger of God".


And saith unto him, "If thou be the Son of God cast thyself down for it is written, 'He shall give his angels charge concerning thee and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.'" (Matthew 4:6).

Are you thinking Jesus did not know scripture? If he did what was the "messengers" message to him?

wordsponge
February 22nd, 2015, 01:58 PM
There is also ADOPTION from the human family.
Epi.1
[5] Having predestinated us
unto the adoption of children
by (means of) Jesus Christ
to himself,
according to the good pleasure of his will,

Jesus is not ADOPTED.
He is begotten...

jamie
February 22nd, 2015, 02:15 PM
Jesus is not ADOPTED.
He is begotten...


So are we.

Daniel1611
February 22nd, 2015, 02:45 PM
The sons of God in Genesis 6 are the fallen angelic host. This is the ancient interpretation of Genesis 6, and it is the obvious one. If you never have, read The Omega Conspiracy by Dr. I.D.E. Thomas. Great book.

jamie
February 22nd, 2015, 04:43 PM
The sons of God in Genesis 6 are the fallen angelic host.


Is that why scripture refers to them as men?

Daniel1611
February 22nd, 2015, 04:49 PM
Is that why scripture refers to them as men?

"Sons of God" in the OT always refers to the angelic host. Men are not called sons of God in the OT.

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 05:00 PM
The root of "church" is Circe, the daughter of the sun, a sorceress.

So what? Are believers required by scripture to use ecclesia or congregation or assembly?

Ecclesia means congregation or assembly. The word "Church" is not biblical. The word "Church" was added by the Pagans. Church was a Roman voting place where people came to cast their vote.

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 05:04 PM
"Sons of God" in the OT always refers to the angelic host. Men are not called sons of God in the OT.

The words (angelic and angel) are not biblical, they have there roots in Paganism and Mysticism.

Old Testament Scriptures.
Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were powerful men of old, men of renown.

[Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.]

Job 1:6
One day the sons of God [men] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Job 2:1
One day the sons of God came again to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Hos 1:10
“Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

jamie
February 22nd, 2015, 05:06 PM
Ecclesia means congregation or assembly. The word "Church" is not biblical. The word "Church" was added by the Pagans. Church was a Roman voting place where people came to cast their vote.


Sunday is not a biblical word either. I wonder if anyone knows when Sunday is?

Passover is also not a biblical word, but I know when it is.

jamie
February 22nd, 2015, 05:14 PM
"Sons of God" in the OT always refers to the angelic host.


Nebuchadnezzar saw someone like the Son of God. Was that an angel?

JosephR
February 22nd, 2015, 05:30 PM
yes,,ye are sons of the most high... hi brothers n sisters :)

Daniel1611
February 22nd, 2015, 05:44 PM
Nebuchadnezzar saw someone like the Son of God. Was that an angel?

Nebuchadnezzar's buddy that gave this description was a pagan giving a description. When then Bible used the term "sons of God" in the OT, it always refers to the angelic host. It never refers to humans. The sons of God took wives and bred the Nephilim. They were human/angel hybrids. This is the ancient interpretation, and the obvious one. It is confirmed by extra Biblical texts like the Book of Enoch.

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 07:22 PM
Nebuchadnezzar saw someone like the Son of God. Was that an angel?


Nebuchadnezzar's buddy that gave this description was a pagan giving a description. When then Bible used the term "sons of God" in the OT, it always refers to the angelic host. It never refers to humans. The sons of God took wives and bred the Nephilim. They were human/angel hybrids. This is the ancient interpretation, and the obvious one. It is confirmed by extra Biblical texts like the Book of Enoch.
You should not be teaching what the bible says.
Angels
Colossians 2:18
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of (angels / messengers) disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.

Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of (angels / messengers) in joyful assembly,

Hebrews 13:2
Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to (angels / messengers) without knowing it.

OCTOBER23
February 22nd, 2015, 07:31 PM
TRUSTER DOES NOT KNOW HIS BIBLE.

All who will inherit life immortal will be gods.

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
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THIS IS THE PURPOSE FOR WHY JESUS CAME TO THE EARTH

WE ARE HEIRS AND CO-HEIRS OF THE UNIVERSAL KINGDOM OF GOD.

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;

if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Psalms 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness:

I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
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THAT IS WHY SATAN HATES US SO MUCH AND WANTS US DESTROYED

BECAUSE GOD HAS MADE US GODS AND RULERS OF THE UNIVERSE

INSTEAD OF SATAN , WHO TRIED TO TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE BY KILLING JESUS

DURING THE FIRST UNIVERSAL WAR AND JESUS LET HIM AS A HUMAN BEING AND

NOW JESUS IS GOING TO DESTROY SATAN'S POWER AFTER THE NEXT HEAVENLY WAR.
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jamie
February 22nd, 2015, 07:47 PM
When then Bible used the term "sons of God" in the OT, it always refers to the angelic host. It never refers to humans.


Enos, Seth, Adam, God. (Luke 3:38)

What kind of angels were Enos, Seth, and Adam? Was God their father?

CherubRam
February 22nd, 2015, 08:24 PM
Luke 3:38. NIV
the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, (the son-s of God.)

CherubRam
February 23rd, 2015, 08:00 PM
:wave: Hello!

Daniel1611
February 23rd, 2015, 08:16 PM
Enos, Seth, Adam, God. (Luke 3:38)

What kind of angels were Enos, Seth, and Adam? Was God their father?

"Sons of God" is used to refer to angelic beings in every other occurrence of the term in the OT.

There are other problems with the assertion that the sons of God in Gen 6 were men.

1. Why are there sons of God an daughters of me? Shouldn't they just all be sons and daughters of God?

2. Why were the offspring of the Sons of God and daughters of men giants or men with great abilities? Shouldn't they just have been regular people?

3. Why did God never, in any instance, show any mercy to any of the Nephilim?

This view just doesn't make sense, whereas the ancient and obvious interpretation as the sons of God as angelic beings makes perfect sense.

CherubRam
February 23rd, 2015, 11:14 PM
The Bible uses the terms מלאך אלהים (melakh Elohiym; messenger of God), מלאך יהוה (melakh Adonai; messenger of the Lord), בני אלוהים (b'nai Elohiym; sons of God) and הקודשים (ha-qodeshim; the holy ones) to refer to beings traditionally interpreted as angels. The word "angel" in English (from Old English and German Engel), French (from Old French angele), Spanish, and many other Romance languages are derived from the Latin angelus, itself derived from Koine Greek: άγγελος, angelos, "messenger" (pl. άγγελοι)

iamaberean
February 24th, 2015, 04:40 AM
Luke 3:38. NIV
the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, (the son-s of God.)

That's how I see it!:up:

iamaberean
February 24th, 2015, 05:01 AM
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
The men that God had created prior to Adam begin to multiply on earth.

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Then Adam’s sons, begin to venture outside of the garden, saw the daughters of men and were attracted to them.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
There were giants (bullies) in the earth and when the daughters of men bare children to the son’s of God, they begin to be esteemed by other men (bullies).

CherubRam
February 24th, 2015, 12:46 PM
Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade. Fallen, as in falling from grace. No redeeming qualities.
The Hebrew word melakh means "messenger." Melakh never means angel.

jamie
February 24th, 2015, 01:43 PM
The Hebrew word melakh means "messenger." Melakh never means angel.


Strong's defines malak this way:

H4397

מלאך
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

CherubRam
February 24th, 2015, 02:08 PM
Strong's defines malak this way:

H4397

מלאך
mal'âk
mal-awk'
From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): - ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

The Strong's is in error as for the word meaning anything but messenger. However, it is true the word is used in our scriptures for other INTERPRETATIONS. The correct TRANSLATION is "messenger."

CherubRam
June 14th, 2015, 08:36 AM
Bumping for bunnies. Come back here you rabbit! Lol

CherubRam
November 7th, 2015, 06:16 AM
Bump

JonahofAkron
November 7th, 2015, 08:37 AM
The Hebrew word melakh means "messenger." Melakh never means angel.

Doesn't the Greek word used in this case, Angelos mean 'messenger'?

OCTOBER23
November 7th, 2015, 10:11 AM
CHERUBGUY, said,

All who will inherit life immortal will be gods.
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I have been saying this for the past 8 years on this Forum.

YE ARE GODS , SONS OF THE MOST HIGH

HEIRS WITH GOD AND CO-HEIRS WITH CHRIST

CherubRam
November 7th, 2015, 11:04 AM
Doesn't the Greek word used in this case, Angelos mean 'messenger'?

If the word was translated as "messenger" into English it would be no problem. The word also carries the idea in Pagan mythology of a supernatural being. The bible supports the belief of a messenger man on earth or from heaven, but not Pagan mythologies. A human or person from heaven, yes. But not a god like creature with real wings. The number of wings ,of biblical messengers, is parabolic of status. In other words, the messengers do not really have wings. God like creatures with wings is from Pagan mythologies.

Sherman
November 18th, 2015, 11:30 AM
Do not open any more threads like this. Not even in the back alley.