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Nazaroo
January 24th, 2015, 02:25 AM
See also our other Fun Facts threads:

Fun Facts: Jesus vs Mohammed (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107100)

Fun Facts: Moses vs. Mohammed (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107157)

A new series for contemplation:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YBRP0mZM14Y/VMNfm-elJVI/AAAAAAAAApM/_7igtAOwx_Y/s1600/Satan-vs-Allah-01.jpg

See also our other Fun Facts threads:


Fun Facts: Jesus vs Mohammed (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107100)


Fun Facts: Moses vs. Mohammed (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107157)

OCTOBER23
January 24th, 2015, 02:35 AM
Apparently Mohammed met a Sparking Angelic Dragon in a Cave
who gave him some instructions for his Koran.

Apparently, Mohammed's first wife's cousin was Catholic.

In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told this story...
The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope.

Nazaroo
January 24th, 2015, 03:29 AM
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceiver


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-blVxqLBjSBg/VMNlt2vR_BI/AAAAAAAAApY/2h14H9QrNvw/s1600/Satan-vs-Allah-02.jpg

Nazaroo
January 24th, 2015, 05:01 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MUxc9ceZKOI/VMN5jd42iXI/AAAAAAAAApo/EM1NJYYWaBc/s1600/Satan-vs-Allah-03.jpg


Some think this is an unfair connection.

(1) Does John mean literally a number? Or is the 'number' symbolic?

(2) Does arithmos mean to group or calculate?

(3) Would John mix non-numerical symbols with numbers?

These objections are not strong enough to disprove the association:

(1) John suggests the 'number' isn't straightforward, but requires "solving".

(2) The interpretation does not hinge on reinterpreting other words.

(3) The whole book of Revelation is highly symbolic in many places,
and those symbols are sometimes literal, sometimes mere imagery.

One person sums up his agnosticism as follows:
(http://lonang.com/prophecy/etp-42/)

Here is a table showing, for comparison purposes, standard Greek letters, the Codex Vaticanus copy of Revelation, and the Basmalah (with the crossed swords of Islam added):
http://lonang.com/wp-content/uploads/Image1.gifhttp://lonang.com/wp-content/uploads/Image2.gifhttp://lonang.com/wp-content/uploads/Image3.gif
Standard Greek letters: Chi Xi Sigma
The text in the Codex Vaticanus
The Arabic Basmalah with crossed swords of Islam

To advance this theory, we must assume that copyists of the scripture did not recognize the characters in the original manuscript (and perhaps John himself did not know what he was writing), so they used the closest Greek letters they could find instead.
I am not convinced this reasoning is correct, because it assumes too much. For his part, John did not write in Arabic script, because it was not invented until several hundred years after his death.

I don’t know why God would have revealed something to John he could not accurately understand or write down in his own language. Does God ever communicate with people that way?




It is his last statement that needs a relook, as it fails to create any objection.

In fact, MANY prophecies recorded by prophets were unintelligible at the time of the prophet who recorded them,
and made no sense for centuries,
INCLUDING many prophecies concerning the Messiah Jesus Himself.

So YES God does communicate that way.

We see this in Daniel as an example.

Nazaroo
January 24th, 2015, 08:35 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gnfIMPbUhKI/VMRehXixlXI/AAAAAAAAAqI/T4_qufJcaRk/s1600/Satan-vs-Allah-04.jpg

Mark SeaSigh
January 24th, 2015, 09:18 PM
So, are you saying that the Koran was taken out of the Bible?

Who do you think wrote it, Naz?

Just Wondering.

I personally have never read the Koran, I did glance through, and notice that there are a few Bible Characters Mentioned within; so, I assumed that the Koran was written well after Jesus and his Mother lived, given the Koran mentions them "Both".

Then My one other friend confirmed it.

The Fact it mentions "Mary" more times than the KJV Bible; makes me think that Catholic Popery is all over this one.

What do you think about that theory?


=M=

Nazaroo
January 24th, 2015, 09:47 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zYpPtNzrCK4/VMRm0zqVerI/AAAAAAAAAqY/IGiEmeB4y8Y/s1600/Satan-vs-Allah-05.jpg

Nazaroo
January 24th, 2015, 09:53 PM
So, are you saying that the Koran was taken out of the Bible?

Who do you think wrote it, Naz?

Just Wondering.

I personally have never read the Koran, I did glance through, and notice that there are a few Bible Characters mentioned within; so I assumed that the Koran was written well after Jesus and his Mother lived, given the Koran mentions them "Both".

The Fact it mentions "Mary" more times than the KJV Bible; makes me think that Catholic Popery is all over this one.

What do you think about that theory?


=M=

Yep. Looks like Jesuit/Secular Jewish scam.

They even pre-frame the Muslims as servants of the AntiChrist.

OCTOBER23
January 24th, 2015, 11:05 PM
NAZAROO IS FIXATED ON THE DEVIL

Nazaroo
January 25th, 2015, 12:48 AM
NAZAROO IS FIXATED ON THE DEVIL

I have a 40,000 page website here.

PericopeDeAdultera.org (http://pericopedeadultera.org/)

http://pericopedeadultera.org/index_files/logo6.jpg

I don't think the devil was mentioned on it once,
unless I was quoting a scholar on an obscure passage.

Thanks for playing.

Grosnick Marowbe
January 25th, 2015, 01:44 AM
NAZAROO IS FIXATED ON THE DEVIL

And, you are fixated on having no relevance on this forum!

OCTOBER23
January 25th, 2015, 08:48 AM
LOOKS LIKE GROSNICK DOES NOT KNOW HER BIBLE
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Grosnick, shouldn't you at least read a few verses of the Bible before

you PRETEND to be a Theological Dilettante ???????????

Isn't Satan called the Devil in the Bible - or maybe you haven't read that far.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,

and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth,

and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent,

which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

OCTOBER23
January 25th, 2015, 09:02 AM
NAZAROO,

ALLAH is the Feminine form of an old Pagan Moon God
that Mohammed's ancestors followed.

Those Pagan practices mixed with Pagan Catholic practices
forms the present day Islamic Religion.

Mohammed's daughter was named FATIMA

and Mohammed believed that MARY would be his wife in Paradise.
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Fat chance, he would have better luck with a Pair of Dice.

Nazaroo
January 25th, 2015, 09:14 AM
NAZAROO,

ALLAH is the Feminine form of an old Pagan Moon God
that Mohammed's ancestors followed.

Those Pagan practices mixed with Pagan Catholic practices
forms the present day Islamic Religion.

Mohammed's daughter was named FATIMA

and Mohammed believed that MARY would be his wife in Paradise.
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Fat chance, he would have better luck with a Pair of Dice.

I won't dispute that "Allah" was some kind of name like "Baal"
was for the Assyrians, i.e., a generic "Lord" or "God" in Arabic,
whatever alleged gender.

Nor do I doubt that Roman Catholic Christians meddled in the
formation of Islam along with Jewish debators.

It seems however remarkable that you would think Mohammed himself
would be under any religious illusions when the probability suggests
that he was knowingly involved in a massive religious fraud.

If indeed he was planted there and groomed and coached by Romans
and told at least in part what to write down and what to say
to the Arabs to sell a story about visions in a cave, angels dictating,
and miraculous texts, its very implausible that he himself believed in heaven,
or Mary, or even Allah.

It seems obvious he would have been clever enough to know that
anyone engaging in such a dastardly scam would not have any
audience with heavenly beings other than a terrible judgement,
should they turn out to exist in an afterlife.

When you say: NAZAROO IS FIXATED ON THE DEVIL,
its the word "fixated" that I dispute, not "devil".

jerzy
January 25th, 2015, 12:18 PM
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,


This thread is about pagan beliefs.

I am not going to discuss the Mohammed and his writings but would like to point out that the Christian Satan supposedly a fallen angel is another Egyptian pagan belief adapted by Christians.

Anybody quoting Re 12:9 as proof has simply no idea what he is talking about because he doesn’t know that this symbolic texts refers to the great red dragon of Re 12:3 which is very well described in the Bible like Da 7 and Re 17.

Anybody following the pagan fable that Satan is a fallen angel must first explain why Jesus called Peter Satan, why there is no text stating that Satan is a fallen angel.

Therefore, inferring this pagan belief into the Bible as a supernatural power existing besides the power of God is totally contrary to the clear Bible teaching. The Bible teaches that there is no power besides the Power of God. It teaches that God not a stupid Christian” idol kills; that God gives bad spirits, that God sends lying spirits.

So those who claim possession of good Biblical knowledge must know that they are propagating a stupid idol.

Nazaroo
January 25th, 2015, 06:57 PM
This thread is about pagan beliefs.

I am not going to discuss the Mohammed and his writings but would like to point out that the Christian Satan supposedly a fallen angel is another Egyptian pagan belief adapted by Christians.

Anybody quoting Re 12:9 as proof has simply no idea what he is talking about because he doesn’t know that this symbolic texts refers to the great red dragon of Re 12:3 which is very well described in the Bible like Da 7 and Re 17.

Anybody following the pagan fable that Satan is a fallen angel must first explain why Jesus called Peter Satan, why there is no text stating that Satan is a fallen angel.

No explanation necessary.

Every student of New Testament Greek and the Hebrew behind the O.T.
already knows that "satan" simply is a common Hebrew noun that means adversary.

That doesn't preclude an angel (like the one actually called
'the adversary' in Job chapter 1) or narrator using it as a title, or Jesus getting angry
and speaking in Hebrew or Aramaic to Peter, and calling him "Adversary!".

And Jesus' NT usage of "satan" (i.e., the Hebrew word "Adversary")
doesn't preclude it being used (as it is in fact used several times)
as both a title and even a nickname for a unique being previously
known about.

What you have also (conveniently?) forgotten is that our current Bible
(here in the West) is missing an important book, the Book of Enoch,
which is both quoted several times and alluded to in other NT writings,
and is also in fact INCLUDED in the Canon of the Etheopic Bible.

That book describes the fallen angels in detail, and was a book
well known and in circulation and very popular at the time of Jesus.
Jude, Peter, Paul, and even the Gospels refer to statements made
in the book of Enoch, and even quote it.

When Enoch is included in the Bible, many passages about Satan
make a lot more sense, and the existance and identity of both Satan
and the other angels who followed him becomes obvious.

Your lame and poorly argued claim that there is no being named "Satan"
is precarious at best, and certainly doesn't line up with the beliefs and
superstitions actually held by people at the time of Jesus.






Therefore, inferring this pagan belief into the Bible as a supernatural power existing besides the power of God is totally contrary to the clear Bible teaching. The Bible teaches that there is no power besides the Power of God. It teaches that God not a stupid Christian” idol kills; that God gives bad spirits, that God sends lying spirits.Again, you have no "clear Bible teaching" to boast about since you
aren't even using the same Canon as Jesus and His contemporaries were.

Your claim that there is no power besides God is ludicrous.

Obviously any being, powerful or weak who rebels against God and
disobeys God is a power that exists besides God and is a power that
at least temporarily successfully opposes God and God's will.

That being a FACT, there is no logical nor theological reason
why a being like "Satan" can't exist, and temporarily rebel against God,
exercising power and thwarting the plans of God and God's servants.

You seem to have forgotten that Daniel itself is a book in the Bible
that testifies to probably supernatural or angelic OPPONENTS to
God's angels. One angel actually told Daniel he was delayed by
an opponent, who was probably supernatural.

Thus, wherever there are ANY beings who can oppose God,
then God can't be the "only power" in the universe.

You are a moron.



So those who claim possession of good Biblical knowledge must know that they are propagating a stupid idol.Not all idolatry is committed with stone statues.

One can idolize Elvis, or Emperors, or war heroes, or even mythical beings.

The fact that we are committing idolatry is no guarantee that the
thing we are idolizing is not a living being who may oppose God.

OCTOBER23
January 26th, 2015, 02:36 AM
JERZY, I Thought that you knew your Bible.
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Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord,
even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
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Anybody following the pagan fable that Satan is a fallen angel must first explain why Jesus called Peter Satan, why there is no text stating that Satan is a fallen angel.
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Base12
January 26th, 2015, 10:14 PM
http://www.mostholyplace.com/smileys/S-Words.png

Revelation 22:18
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

:olinger:

chair
January 27th, 2015, 03:39 AM
Obviously any being, powerful or weak who rebels against God and
disobeys God is a power that exists besides God and is a power that
at least temporarily successfully opposes God and God's will. ..
Your's is a second-rate god.

Nazaroo
January 27th, 2015, 12:03 PM
Your's is a second-rate god.

No. Mine is a God that acknowledges that evil like the Holocaust happens,
and nonetheless the historical fact of evil
does not automatically indicate God approves of it.

Does your (superior?) God tell you that for instance,
the Rabbi attacked with an axe in the synagogue in Jerusalem
was simply receiving something that your God
permitted, approved of, and ordained?

http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?ID=263935&w=758&h=530




If on the other hand, you agree that

(1) It was evil to attack the innocent praying rabbi,

(2) God was not the author of that evil act, crime and sin,

then you actually worship MY God,
the one you are mocking as 'second-rate',
whereas in reality, God is simply longsuffering, patient, and merciful,
and nonetheless will institute justice in due time.

That means my acknowledgement that God is NOT the author of all evil acts,
but that the responsibility for sin remains with the sinner,
is honest and true worship of the real God of the Holy Scriptures,

whereas your description of an
uncaring unjust but immediately sovereign 'God'
is just a blasphemy about the real God,
which contradicts both the Holy Scriptures and reality,
and makes a mockery of the teachings of Judaism and the Bible.

Nazaroo
October 16th, 2015, 11:51 AM
bump