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chrysostom
July 10th, 2014, 10:57 AM
babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A1&version=KJV)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A9&version=KJV)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A2&version=KJV)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A11&version=KJV)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A21&version=KJV)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople (https://www.google.com/search?q=constantinople&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

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chrysostom
July 13th, 2014, 02:58 AM
"During the autumn of 1452, Orban set to work at Edirne, casting one of the largest cannons ever built," (http://www.historynet.com/the-guns-of-constantinople.htm)

constantinople fell in 1453


Revelation 18:21King James Version (KJV)

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 07:10 AM
Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen

it fell for the first time in 1204

The Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople (http://www.historytoday.com/jonathan-phillips/fourth-crusade-and-sack-constantinople)

False Prophet
July 26th, 2014, 12:21 PM
Come hither, I will show thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters; Rev 17

The great harlot is Babylon the great. She sits upon many waters which are many peoples, nations, and tongues. She sits upon the beast. The harlot church rides the beast. She is the mother of harlots, because she produces harlots. A double minded man is a harlot. Double minded men bless God, and they curse their neighbors. This is what the harlot church teaches you to do.

The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth: Rev 17:9

Seven mountains would lead you to believe in the seven hills that made up Rome, if you read this during the time it was written. The Roman Empire is what was, is, and is to come. So here is a prediction of the fall and resurrection of the Roman Empire. Anti Christ is not mentioned in Revelation. But its term is so wide spread that I use it because everybody accepts it as doctrine. Harlot Church is not mentioned in Revelation, but because of its wide usage people accept it as doctrine, and it is an offensive term.

And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and is become a habitation of demons, and a hold of every unclean spirit, and a hold of every unclean and hateful bird. Rev 18:2

The abominable church is Babylon the great. The beast will hate the harlot or the abominable church, and the beast will burn the harlot with fire. The abominable church will be left a burnt out heap of rubble. The abominable church becomes a dwelling place of demons. That is what the harlot church is today; a dwelling place of demons!

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 12:31 PM
it is a city
not a church
the Church is not famous for trade
and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

Livelystone
July 26th, 2014, 12:53 PM
it is a city
not a church
the Church is not famous for trade
and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

The harlot church makes merchandise out of people and that is how the harlot church is as you put it "famous for trade".

2 Peter 2
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. ...

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 12:57 PM
The harlot church makes merchandise out of people and that is how the harlot church is as you put it "famous for trade".

2 Peter 2
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. ...

and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

Livelystone
July 26th, 2014, 01:05 PM
and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

The harlot church is already in a "fallen state".

2 Thessalonians 2:3 [Full Chapter]
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


BTW, literal Jerusalem sits on seven hills and is the symbolic head of all of the harlot church.

Jerusalem from above is the head of the true church

Gal. 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

chrysostom
July 27th, 2014, 04:06 AM
Jerusalem from above is the head of the true church



john saw it come down out of heaven
so
why don't you see that?

Revelation 21:2New International Version (NIV)

2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

CatholicCrusader
July 27th, 2014, 05:28 AM
The harlot church
The phrase "harlot church" is nowhere in the Bible.

chrysostom
July 31st, 2014, 12:53 PM
when the jews were taken to babylon
it was referred to as the

Babylonian captivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity)

Avignon Papacy

This absence from Rome is sometimes referred to as the "Babylonian Captivity of the Papacy". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon_Papacy)

so why would constantinople be considered babylon the great?

they did not recognize the supremacy of rome
they believed constantinople to be the head of the christian church
and
constantinople had the military might until 1204 when they fell to the 4th crusade

chrysostom
August 10th, 2014, 03:55 AM
one of the key characteristics here
is
mystery 17:7 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+17:7&version=KJV)
and
that among other things means
it is not common knowledge
the seven hills of rome was
very few knew constantinople had seven hills
and
it only had six until one of the emperors added the seventh to fulfill prophecy
now
that is still a mystery

chrysostom
August 22nd, 2014, 06:36 AM
it was theodosius 2 that extended the walls to include the seventh hill early in the fifth century thus making
constantinople the city of seven hills

the walls defended the christian city for a thousand years
it would take the biggest cannon to bring them down

walls of constantinople (http://www.triposo.com/poi/Walls_of_Constantinople)

chrysostom
September 4th, 2014, 04:32 AM
Revelation 18:21 (KJV)

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.



you can't find constantinople

chrysostom
September 27th, 2014, 04:25 AM
constantinople is the piece that connects all the other pieces

the thousand years
the first beast
the second beast
the seven heads
the ten horns
the two witnesses

JosephR
September 27th, 2014, 04:39 AM
constantinople is the piece that connects all the other pieces

the thousand years
the first beast
the second beast
the seven heads
the ten horns
the two witnesses

Is He the harlot?
opps im sorry I thought it said Constantine.

chrysostom
September 27th, 2014, 04:51 AM
Is He the harlot?
opps im sorry I thought it said Constantine.

there are only six passages that clearly state

it is a city

chrysostom
September 27th, 2014, 05:09 AM
Is He the harlot?
opps im sorry I thought it said Constantine.

so why is he hated so much?

Hearmyvoice
September 27th, 2014, 06:55 AM
babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A1&version=KJV)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A9&version=KJV)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A2&version=KJV)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A11&version=KJV)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A21&version=KJV)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople (https://www.google.com/search?q=constantinople&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

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1. Waters are...peoples, multitudes, nations, tongues where the whore sitteth. [Rev.17:15]

2. Mystery #3466.....hidden thing, secret, mystery generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals, a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding a hidden purpose or counsel

3. Seven (hills) Mountains are "seven heads." What are the heads for they are the mountains....Biblical mountains are nations or continents...the seven continents or THE WORLD.

4. Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird......she/Babylon is presently in her fallen state. Who is she? She is worldwide for God's people are worldwide as He asks us to "come out of her My people" [18:4]...so we know that she is NOT one geographical location. She is that "great city, mighty city" but she is NOT a literal city...nor is she one religion.

5. Famous for trade.....What does this "city" trade? Gold, silver, precious stones, etc....ALL ARE SYMBOLIC OF PEOPLE. The merchants buy and sell people and their souls...."and souls of men." [18:13] Who are these merchants affiliated with? Who can "buy and sell?"

6. Can be found no more....That is future! Babylon presently is in her fallen state but before long will be "found no more."

She is not a literal city, literal whore, literally draped in pearls and linen, etc. She is all religions, world wide, filled with merchants buying and selling the souls of men.

chrysostom
September 27th, 2014, 07:19 AM
She is that "great city, mighty city" but she is NOT a literal city..

what would the bible say
if
she were a city?


Revelation 17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
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Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
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Revelation 18:16
And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
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Revelation 18:18
And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
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Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
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Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Hearmyvoice
September 27th, 2014, 07:33 AM
what would the bible say
if
she were a city?


Revelation 17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Revelation 18:16
And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
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Revelation 18:18
And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.


What is a city? It is a place in which one lives. Babylon is a city/place of wickedness and spiritual deception. For this reason He asks His children, who worship in her each Sunday, who tithe to her, who listen to men speak their words and not those of God...TO LEAVE HER. All religions that do not teach His Words, as written, are part and parcel of the great city.


Editing in....He is "a voice crying in the wilderness"...it is up to us to "hear My voice."

chrysostom
September 27th, 2014, 07:37 AM
What is a city? It is a place in which one lives. Babylon is a city/place of wickedness and spiritual deception. For this reason He asks His children, who worship in her each Sunday, who tithe to her, who listen to men speak their words and not those of God...TO LEAVE HER. All religions that do not teach His Words, as written, are part and parcel of the great city.

how would you know a city
if
it were a city?

Hearmyvoice
September 27th, 2014, 08:06 AM
how would you know a city
if
it were a city?


LOL. A city is a place of residence...no matter what the location or by whom it is filled. The "great city" is wherever the whore sitteth, wherever she dwells. That is world-wide.

chrysostom
September 27th, 2014, 08:09 AM
LOL. A city is a place of residence...no matter what the location or by whom it is filled. The "great city" is wherever the whore sitteth, wherever she dwells. That is world-wide.

so why does it say
it is a city
six times

Hearmyvoice
September 27th, 2014, 08:50 AM
so why does it say
it is a city
six times

The number six is a clue to her identity!

I believe that the beginning of the great city was....



Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Enoch means "dedicated." This city was dedicated to the serpent and has grown in strength through the eons.

There are, I also believe, only two cities God considers humanity as being dwellers within and neither are literal geographical locations but are rather...spiritual in nature.


1. The great city Babylon
2. The holy city Jerusalem.

Within both are special areas holding the chosen...of each side. Within Jerusalem it is Zion that the Holy Spirit teaches so they in turn teach the holy city. In Babylon it is the other group of chosen that hear their father and...teach accordingly.



John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with My Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

chrysostom
October 13th, 2014, 03:20 AM
it's a city
most think it is a city
rome or jerusalem
constantinople should also be considered
it fits better than the others

Repentance
October 14th, 2014, 03:47 AM
Watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=VH9f2aRTbKM

Istanbul is the city of the call to prayer, where the name of the Last Prophet is shouted out all over the city, five times a day! It is the center of the broken Caliphate but the Caliphate will return! :jump:

chrysostom
October 14th, 2014, 03:57 AM
Watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=VH9f2aRTbKM

Istanbul is the city of the call to prayer, where the name of the Last Prophet is shouted out all over the city, five times a day! It is the center of the broken Caliphate but the Caliphate will return! :jump:

what about the last prophet?

don't you think he will return?

meshak
October 14th, 2014, 05:15 AM
babylon the great

this is synonymous with anti-Christ.

chrysostom
October 14th, 2014, 05:20 AM
this is synonymous with anti-Christ.

how do you explain this?


Revelation 17:16King James Version (KJV)

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

meshak
October 14th, 2014, 05:22 AM
how do you explain this?


Revelation 17:16King James Version (KJV)

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

They are all anti-Christ.

chrysostom
October 29th, 2014, 03:11 AM
babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A1&version=KJV)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A9&version=KJV)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A2&version=KJV)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A11&version=KJV)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A21&version=KJV)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople (https://www.google.com/search?q=constantinople&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

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we have history
how can you ignore it?

chrysostom
November 17th, 2014, 04:33 AM
constantinople is also part of a christian empire that lasted one thousand years

chrysostom
May 30th, 2015, 02:31 PM
a few are beginning to understand this

chrysostom
June 7th, 2015, 05:02 AM
it can be found no more
but
I have a very old map
and
I found it

chrysostom
July 11th, 2015, 04:43 AM
it is not rome
that would not be a mystery
it is constantinople

everready
July 11th, 2015, 10:36 AM
we have history
how can you ignore it?

Yes you do have a history why are you ignoring it?


everready

chrysostom
July 11th, 2015, 10:45 AM
Yes you do have a history why are you ignoring it?


everready

and you just repeat it

(see what I did there?)

everready
July 11th, 2015, 05:03 PM
and you just repeat it

(see what I did there?)

No, what did you do there?


everready

chrysostom
July 11th, 2015, 05:14 PM
No, what did you do there?


everready

“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”
― Edmund Burke

you repeated my post about ignoring history

everready
July 11th, 2015, 05:26 PM
“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”
― Edmund Burke

you repeated my post about ignoring history

Oh, i thought something different, but what you've said here makes sense "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it"

What about the Inquisitions?

Isn't the original worded like this?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."


everready

aikido7
July 11th, 2015, 05:32 PM
In John of Patmos' apocalyptic Revelation, Babylon is the monster with seven heads. It was a profound metaphor for Rome with its seven hills and its leader Nero.

Today I can easily apply John's own theological vision to the present. For me Babylon is the symbol for the powers and principalities of the world today.

They are the same powers (the priests--the church--along with the government) that killed Jesus.

chrysostom
October 13th, 2015, 04:59 AM
constantinople

SaulToPaul
October 13th, 2015, 05:40 AM
constantinople

:chuckle:

chrysostom
October 13th, 2015, 05:42 AM
:chuckle:

another great post by stp
now
back to the future for you
it can be anything you want it to be
just like scripture

SaulToPaul
October 13th, 2015, 05:43 AM
another great post by stp
now
back to the future for you
it can be anything you want it to be
just like scripture

It's destroyed just before the LORD returns.
Back to the drawing board for you.

chrysostom
October 13th, 2015, 05:49 AM
It's destroyed just before the LORD returns.
Back to the drawing board for you.

just like the time is near?

it has been destroyed
and
Jesus has not returned

you can look for the thousand years before He does

SaulToPaul
October 13th, 2015, 05:58 AM
it has been destroyed
and
Jesus has not returned



It hasn't. Believing the Bible will cure your wild goose chases.

Interplanner
October 13th, 2015, 06:50 AM
Destroyed, but a delay is allowed before the NHNE. (The Rev does not present a return other than a judgement and destruction. The NHNE ensues right after that). It is the same delay allowed in Mk 13 and Mt 24B, and addressed by 2 Pet 3.

Zeke
October 13th, 2015, 08:32 AM
it is a city
not a church
the Church is not famous for trade
and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

Well the wealth of the Vatican says different, that Corporation owns this land stolen from the Indians, not to mention all the other lands that held minerals and natural resources to blunder under the banner of religion, And also owns every human/beast who carries her ID, that surname makes everyone her children/chattle who depend on her for their survival from birth to death, free range cattle still get rounded up for the slaughter.

The theft ring includes London crown Corp ,DC the right arm of force, and Jezebel herself the Vatican hiding behind religion.

chrysostom
November 4th, 2015, 08:36 AM
It hasn't. Believing the Bible will cure your wild goose chases.

don't you mean believing in what you think the bible says?

I believe your interpretation of the bible is not correct

do you understand interpretation?

chrysostom
November 14th, 2015, 08:57 AM
this is just my interpretation
so
please don't call me a liar

chrysostom
December 2nd, 2015, 07:10 AM
constantinople can be found no more

SaulToPaul
December 2nd, 2015, 11:53 AM
constantinople can be found no more

:chuckle:

chrysostom
December 23rd, 2015, 06:40 AM
constantinople is also the capital of the one thousand year empire

the pieces fit

SaulToPaul
December 23rd, 2015, 06:55 AM
constantinople is also the capital of the one thousand year empire

the pieces fit

:chuckle:

SonOfCaleb
December 23rd, 2015, 08:25 AM
The Babylon the Great spoken of in Revelations is symbolic. Its modern day application applies to the current Empire of false religion.
The parallel used by Jesus when he delivered Revelation to John is an excellent one. As the literal Babylon the Great that sat on the waters of the Euphrates assuming her empire was untouchable bears all the parallels to the modern day empire of false religion. Indeed it was Babylon where false religion and pagan worship began spreading to all corners of the Earth.

chrysostom
December 23rd, 2015, 11:41 AM
The Babylon the Great spoken of in Revelations is symbolic.

only because you can't find the literal one

you give up too easily

SonOfCaleb
December 23rd, 2015, 11:55 AM
only because you can't find the literal one

you give up too easily

O no mon frere....I was in Babylon the Great. Im out now...

chrysostom
December 23rd, 2015, 11:58 AM
O no mon frere....I was in Babylon the Great. Im out now...

that makes you a wacko

SonOfCaleb
December 23rd, 2015, 12:10 PM
that makes you a wacko

No need to be rude.

Hopefully you'll also apply Jesus words at Revelation 18:4 about the fall of Babylon the Great when he said "Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins" before its too late.

chrysostom
December 23rd, 2015, 12:18 PM
No need to be rude.

Hopefully you'll also apply Jesus words at Revelation 18:4 about the fall of Babylon the Great when he said "Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins" before its too late.

you are the one being rude

you assume it is rome
even though rome does not meet most of the criteria

mystery
many waters
trade
found no more
fallen, fallen

don't be so quick to accept what the others have told you

Wick Stick
December 23rd, 2015, 12:22 PM
I don't think Constantinople is the ONLY candidate.

Constantinople would seem to me to be too far into the future to be within the scope of the prophecy.

Jerusalem and Tyre and the literal Babylon all seem to be better candidates to me.

chrysostom
December 23rd, 2015, 12:28 PM
I don't think Constantinople is the ONLY candidate.

Constantinople would seem to me to be too far into the future to be within the scope of the prophecy.

Jerusalem and Tyre and the literal Babylon all seem to be better candidates to me.

you can still find them
and
neither is known for trade

so where is your argument?

SonOfCaleb
December 23rd, 2015, 12:33 PM
you are the one being rude

you assume it is rome
even though rome does not meet most of the criteria

mystery
many waters
trade
found no more
fallen, fallen

don't be so quick to accept what the others have told you

Firstly i haven't been discourteous to you. Secondly what on Earth are you on about? No where in ANY of my responses to you did i say BtG is Rome. At least READ my responses to you before you respond surely?

chrysostom
December 23rd, 2015, 12:38 PM
Firstly i haven't been discourteous to you. Secondly what on Earth are you on about? No where in ANY of my responses to you did i say BtG is Rome. At least READ my responses to you before you respond surely?

why did you warn me to get out of her?

where do you think I am?

Wick Stick
December 24th, 2015, 11:51 AM
I don't think Constantinople is the ONLY candidate.

Constantinople would seem to me to be too far into the future to be within the scope of the prophecy.

Jerusalem and Tyre and the literal Babylon all seem to be better candidates to me.
you can still find them
and
neither is known for trade

so where is your argument?
You are incorrect, sir.

1) Jersualem

Jerusalem was infamous for its trade. Jerusalem held 4 annual feasts which Jews were mandated to travel to the city to attend, by their Law. When they got there, they found that they were unable to transact in normal currency, for the priests of the temple would only accept the temple shekel. Those Biblical "money-changers" made quite the killing exchanging normal money for temple shekels, using their unfair scales.

As for "finding" Jerusalem - the "Old City" of Jerusalem which stands today - is actually Aelia Capitolina, a city built by the Romans on the site of historic Jerusalem. The purpose for doing so was to prevent the rebuilding of a Jewish Jerusalem. It has succeeding in this purpose for 2 millennia now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aelia_Capitolina/

2) Tyre

Tyre was the maritime capital of the Mediterranean from the 3rd millennium BC until Alexander the Great conquered the city, and even after that the harbor remained important to its sister-city on the mainland. The Phoenicians invented the longboat more than a 1000 years before the Vikings, and before Rome or Greece even existed. Tyre was the pre-eminent city for trade in the ancient world.

As for finding it today, you cannot. The Lebanese city of Sur covers Tyre's sister city (Ushu), and Alexander's landbridge, and the northern of the 2 islands that was once Tyre. The southern island is sunk into the ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyre,_Lebanon/

3) Babylon (or New Babylon, if you prefer)

If "mystery Babylon" isn't actually Babel, then the author of the Apocalypse at least so designated it because of its similarities and successorship to the actual Babylon. Yes, Babylon was a center of trade - really, THE center of trade up and down the Euphrates river. Literally. It was halfway between the gulf and the Assyrians to the north, at a place where the gap between the two rivers is narrow, so good get transferred there.

Babylon is not found. The ruins of the ancient city are still on the banks of the Euphrates, half flooded by a change in the course of the river. But, the emperor Seleucus mined much of the old city up to create a new city on the banks of the Tigris nearby, which he named after himself. In antiquity, it was also known as "new Babylon" and then just "Babylon." The new city remained an important center of trade under the name of Babylon. Today the city is known as Baghdad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon/
http://www.askelm.com/people/peo016.htm/

chrysostom
December 24th, 2015, 12:01 PM
You are incorrect, sir.

1) Jersualem

Jerusalem was infamous for its trade.

where do you park your boat in jerusalem?

chrysostom
December 24th, 2015, 12:06 PM
2) Tyre

Tyre was the maritime capital of the Mediterranean from the 3rd millennium BC until Alexander the Great conquered the city, and even after that the harbor remained important to its sister-city on the mainland.

give me a break

Wick Stick
December 24th, 2015, 12:13 PM
where do you park your boat in jerusalem?
You don't.

But the city is built on/at the Gihon Springs, and please note the plural, as the springs in antiquity were of the gushing variety that came out in more than one place.

Wick Stick
December 24th, 2015, 12:17 PM
give me a break
How is that controversial? Even the Bible says so...

Ezekiel 27:2-4 Take up a lamentation for Tyrus; And say unto Tyrus, O thou that art situate at the entry of the sea, [which art] a merchant of the people for many isles, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O Tyrus, thou hast said, I [am] of perfect beauty. Thy borders [are] in the midst of the seas, thy builders have perfected thy beauty.

chrysostom
December 24th, 2015, 12:18 PM
You don't.

But the city is built on/at the Gihon Springs, and please note the plural, as the springs in antiquity were of the gushing variety that came out in more than one place.

did you read chapter 18?

Wick Stick
December 24th, 2015, 12:28 PM
Yes. Maybe you could be more specific as to what you're driving at?

The Gospel Matrix
December 24th, 2015, 01:06 PM
Revelation is, of course, highly symbolic and allegorical, and is full of spiritual ironies. While Christianity has applied the many doomsday prophecies of this book to the "unbelieving world," the things written in it apply most directly to what transpires within the Church and within the self.

The Babylon of Revelation is actually none other than Christianity itself; the "Body of Christ." Babylon means "confusion" and the Body of Christ is fractured into thousands upon thousands of disagreeing denominations, which repels the world by disfiguring the true image of the Son of God.

As went the (physical) body of Christ, so has gone the Body of Christ.

The Gospels tell us that during Christ's persecutions, He was dressed in both scarlet and purple. These are the same two colors adorning the Babylonian prostitute in Revelation.

Also, He was blinded by His persecutors and told to prophesy. This is what the Body of Christ has been doing for 2,000 years - attempting to prophesy (or "teach") while blinded and entombed in darkness. (With 20,000+ disagreeing denominations, it is self-evident that Christianity cannot see the Truth.)

Just as Christ's body was sleeping and entombed in darkness for 2 days, so has His Church Body been sleeping in darkness for 2,000 years. As we now enter the third day, He is calling His people out of the darkened tomb of Babylonian confusion. Those who do not heed the call to come out will have to spend an extra "day" in the tomb where they have chosen to stay, and will not be a part of Christ's "Millennial Reign."

Christianity is the house divided that is now set to fall.

SonOfCaleb
December 25th, 2015, 03:29 AM
why did you warn me to get out of her?

where do you think I am?

Because thats what Jesus warned us to do:-

Revelation 18:4 about the fall of Babylon the Great when he said "Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins"

chrysostom
January 16th, 2016, 06:44 AM
babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A1&version=KJV)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A9&version=KJV)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A2&version=KJV)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A11&version=KJV)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A21&version=KJV)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople (https://www.google.com/search?q=constantinople&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

back to
the apocalypse (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102616)

it is still a mystery to most

chrysostom
February 6th, 2016, 03:47 AM
the pieces fit

constantinople was the capital of a christian empire that lasted one thousand years

duh

chrysostom
February 29th, 2016, 06:22 AM
-you need more than one or two pieces to make sense of the apocalypse

SaulToPaul
February 29th, 2016, 09:48 AM
-you need more than one or two pieces to make sense of the apocalypse

:chuckle:

Flaminggg
February 29th, 2016, 11:09 AM
Preface

"BABYLON THE GREAT", denotes a change of the "Priesthood" or a "Change of Law" http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?116449-Change-of-law, I will rephrase the argument from that discussion in a different way, so that the conclusion of "BABYLON THE GREAT" is better presented, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkTqdwiT8bw (Video):

The 12 Tribes are descriptions of the Lord's Body, however the Tribe that has the title "Head of Priesthood", is the Tribe that Jesus is dealing the most with in relation to Mankind, these are the order of the Tribes that are given this title from the order of the gospel, this argument is presented in Hebrews 7, which also accounts the, "Head of the Priesthood" title transfers:

Tribe of Dan: Num. 13:29-33, God used the Flood of Noah to reach above the Mountain Tops, to proclaim the place of the Giants, Amalekites are worthless for the satisfaction of the Gospel's Program, so they are a reference to Genetic Dan, Exodus 17:14. (4 Genetic Lines)
Tribe of Manassesh: God destroyed the 50 Generations of Genesis 18, to declare the "Half Tribe of Manasseh" obtained the title of "Head of the Priesthood". (Genetic Line)
Tribe of Levites: God uses the Exodus to proclaim the Levites (Sons of God) are given the title of "Head of the Priesthood", Joshua 18:7.
Tribe of Ephraim: God uses Goliath to proclaim that Ephraim has obtained the title of "Head of Priesthood", 1 Kings 11:13-14). (Ephraim is Hebrew Genetic Line, David took to Jerusalem).
Tribe of Aaron: God uses the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, to illustrate that Aaron has obtained the title of "Head of the Priesthood", John 20:27. (Genetic Line)
Tribe of Joseph: God uses the "Events of Revelation" (195 Days), to illustrate that Joseph has obtained the title of "Head of the Priesthood", "BABYLON THE GREAT", Rev. 17:5. (Souls with a completed judgment, Jesus uses to denote "Equal Potential", or satisfaction of the Gospel's Program).

(Judah (Genetic Line) does not obtain the title of "Head of the Priesthood", God divided the "Head of Priesthood", by giving Judah the title of "Head of Tribes" to rebuke Aaron, at no point before in the gospel ... 1 Samuel 15:17, John 19:2)

http://www.ufoaliens.info/pictures/aliens/humanoids/mkh.jpg
(Heaven's Gate picture of the Antichrist)
(This Portion of the Discussion is intended for the scientific and political people, since I do not want this conclusion to detract from the "Suicide by Antichrist" that is taking place right now, as a matter of public safety, I do not have the necessary level of cooperation in Assisted Suicide from the media or authorities, until we reach the next level on 3/23/2016, since they avoid the ethnic euthanasia that takes place around me in order to repeat the process. Best I can do is rely on their drive to attack for now, turn your head the other way now)

Genetic Dan had the title of "Head of the Priesthood" originally, so God wants the Antichrist to confirm the Covenant for 12210 days in length with a body of Genetic Dan as a picture of the Lord's Body. Technically, Joseph has both titles in order to confirm the covenant, but officially Aaron still has the title of "Head of the Priesthood", which they've adapted as a Suicidal Mechanism to attack the gospel's message, and kill themselves with "Suicide by Antichrist", this is concluding with the end of their own lives.

Contradiction: "Babylon the Great" and "Antipas the Faithful Martyr":

1. Babylon the Great = 195 Days
2. Antipas the Faithful Martyr = 42 Days
3. Abaddon and Apollyon = 153 Days

1. Suicide by Antichrist for 12210 Days (Confirming the Covenant)
2. Aaron's Repentance for 42 Days (Resolving Aaron's Genetic Line)
3. Last Remnant of Judah for 153 Days (Migration to the New Universe)

1. Antichrist given a Body of Genetic Dan
2. Antichrist given a Hybrid Body (BEK-Black Eyed Body)(Black Knight Satellite)
3. Antichrist given a "Alien Grey" Body (UFO Encampments)

You need to understand, that at the same time the Antichrist gives the gospel, he must also encourage "Suicide by Antichrist" by appearing to attack the position himself, and thus giving Aaron and Genetic Dan the ruse of promoting "Suicide by Antichrist". You should be prepared to launch the Nuclear Weapons we talked about, before 3/23/2016, so that by the time "2 Days Rainbow" is finished Aaron is resolved. Otherwise its not so bad to just come with humility to the USA. Love and Blessings(42 Days of Tribulation is a Contradiction, that may not produce much at all, I've voiced both arguments, because you know what these people like to do to the Antichrist to cause him suffering and pain, but we must keep watch) (That being said, I've seen both resurrected bodies I am to possess myself, and it will take 2 days to place me in the first one, and 3 days to place me into the second one, it has taken 5 years from the Wow Signal to place me in this one).

Flaminggg
March 1st, 2016, 01:13 PM
Babylon the Great - Restatement

http://blogs.nd.edu/oblation/files/2012/12/Christ-Icon-Mt.-Athos.jpeg"]http://blogs.nd.edu/oblation/files/2012/12/Christ-Icon-Mt.-Athos.jpeg

Rev. 17:4-5, Luke 22:42-45 ... Jesus is referred to as "Joseph", or "Babylon the Great". ... God did not intend to give "Joseph" the title of "Head of the Priesthood" at the time of Jesus, but because Jesus came to proclaim God's transition into "Joseph", Jesus mirrors the language of Revelation:

195 Days Simplified 3/23/2016 to 10/4/2016

Luke 3:23, "Jesus and Joseph", 30 years x 365 days in a year = 10950 or 195 Days
Rev. 10:4, "Two Witnesses" walk with God like "Enoch Walked with God (7th From Adam)" for 195 Days (Gen. 5:11)

New Testament Indicates Jesus is Given a New Body Two Times

2 Days Rainbow - Luke 22:42-46 (42 Days)(Jesus given a Crown on his Head, 2 Kings 2:22-25)
3 Days Darkness - Mark 15:29-15:30 (153 Days)(Jesus came down from the cross, Joel 2:8-16)

Revelation Indicates the Antichrist is Given a New Body Two Times

2 Days Rainbow - "Antipas the Faithful Martyr" (Rev. 2:13)(Antichrist is given "Jona/Jonah's Whale", Zechariah 5:9-11)
3 Days Darkness - "Abaddon and Apollyon" (Rev. 9:11) (Antichrist is given "Noe/Noah's Ark", 2 Kings 13:15-19)

In the case of "2 Kings 13:15-19", 195 Days is 65 x 3. This association is being connected to Goliath, to picture the Antichrist as the God Man, 1 Samuel 17:4-5. The gospel typically describes the Antichrist as a Women (Jeremiah 33:20-21), or as an "Assyrian" (Micah 5:4-5:5), or as an Evil Angel (Jeremiah 52:31, says 195 Days), these are not negative at all. Most of mankind will die having pleasured themselves with the suffering and pain of the Antichrist, and that is their portion.

The Lifespan of the Antichrist has an Absolute Limit, that is the Prophecy of Daniel, and the Prophecy of the Ancients (Mayans for Example): Hebrews 4:7, 1 Kings 11:32, 2 Samuel 5:3, God limits David to about 34 Years to Confirm the Law. ... ... ... ... 42 Months and 30 Years = 12210 Days or 34 Years, Rev. 13:5 gives us "42" and "Month", reporting Daniel 12:11, 1260 days + 30 years).

Even though all of this is True:

We should not in anyway remove the notion that Genetic Dan and Aaron together will desperately choose death in a distinguishing and revolting way before all the nations. (God does not encourage the Antichrist to enforce the position, more than simply voicing the position, "Antipas Faithful Martyr", can be understood that you are simply killing what he is voicing, "Suicide by Antichrist" observed now, especially with the ethnic people, does not seem to go to a "next level" with the Antichrist, thus the public threat arises the Son of Perdition) I will give two examples of this in the gospel, briefly before discussing Jonah and Noah, this only gives credibility to any previous statements of "Suicide by Antichrist", "Race War", "World War" or a simply diversified conflict of sin shortly before the "Three Days of Darkness", to emphasis the unprofitable nature of man in his final days is not a conclusion that should be unvoiced or ignored:

Jeremiah 26:18-23
1. "Suicide by Son of God" in this case Micah, is dismissed
2. "Church Fornication" in this case Jeremiah, is dismissed
3. "Fallen Priest is Executed with the Wicked" in this case Urijah, is allowed to die

Acts 10:1-16 (Three Days of Darkness Referenced Directly)
1. "Suicide by Son of God" in this case Cornelius, is dismissed
2. "Church Fornication" in this case "Simon a Tanner", is dismissed
3. "Fallen Priest is Executed with the Wicked" in this case Peter, is allowed to die

Revelation 12:7-17
1. "Suicide by Son of God" in this case Michael, is dismissed
2. "Church Fornication" in this case the "Woman", is dismissed
3. "Fallen Priest is Executed with the Wicked" in this case the "dragon wroth with the women", is allowed to die

Well, lets go back a moment to Jonah, Jonah 3:3-4, you are given a figure of 42 Days (Day's Journey minus Three Days), so that is 2 Days Rainbow, and then 40 Days. God declares we are to observe this pattern in the New Testament, John 1:40-42 says "Two Which Heard John/Two Witnesses" are like "Jona/Jonah". Now we will go further back to Noah, 195 days are referenced, Gen. 8:3-6, so that is the big kicker. The New Testament says in Matthew 24:37-8, that 195 Days are established for the "Events of Revelation".

1. "Suicide by Antichrist" 12210 Days
2. "Fallen Priest is Executed with the Wicked" 42 Days
3. "People are caught up in the Air together with Them" 153 Days

What the gospel teaches, more correctly is that the people appear to prefer their foolishness rather than any sacrifices associated with satisfaction of the Gospel's Law. So, this only translates into some race based conflict of a diversified nature, designed to serve as a container until these people are deceased after 42 Days. When God removes "Suicide by Antichrist" from the equation, this does not immediately mean the people will become more faithful, but rather fall into greater foolishness. We can also view this as the reign of the "Son of Perdition", in which they attempt to wholesale the phenemenon of "Joseph the Blessing" and any scientific discoveries as the new age and millennium of revelation, and dismiss what the Antichrist has to say, because he will not do anything to enforce the position other than voice it in a faithful way. Love and Blessings. (I've said this only once before, that I assumed at some point the only logical progression was that the Antichrist would spend those 42 days in space, communicating with text based messages, no audio and no video, to challenge the position at a minimum .................... or to gather the public and the authorities together from time to time, and tell and show them what is to be done (however this language appears to position the the Antichrist as something other than "Faithful Martyr"), so we need to keep watch, the Antichrist is not ignorant or deceived, and he will not do anything to challenge the sin of nations, because they will simply be gone in a short period of time)

chrysostom
March 26th, 2016, 05:21 AM
long posts by Flaminggg made me put him on ignore

chrysostom
April 8th, 2016, 04:34 AM
constantinople

SaulToPaul
April 8th, 2016, 05:53 AM
constantinople

:chuckle:

chrysostom
May 2nd, 2016, 04:28 AM
found no more

Wick Stick
May 2nd, 2016, 11:39 AM
constantinople


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg

chrysostom
May 2nd, 2016, 11:49 AM
--

got something to say?
-not interested in what you found on the internet

HisServant
May 2nd, 2016, 11:50 AM
Babylon is Babylon

chrysostom
May 2nd, 2016, 11:53 AM
Babylon is Babylon

and you think peter went there?
-only an idiot would say that
-or
-a parrot that repeats what it hears

SaulToPaul
May 2nd, 2016, 12:00 PM
-a parrot that repeats what it hears

Like you and the RCC?

HisServant
May 2nd, 2016, 12:04 PM
and you think peter went there?
-only an idiot would say that
-or
-a parrot that repeats what it hears

So you believe God lied in the scriptures... right?

Babylon is Babylon!

Talk about idiots... to believe that Babylon magically turns into Rome.. based on some Roman interpretation is the epitome of stupid!

chrysostom
May 2nd, 2016, 12:06 PM
the future is not here stp
-just history
-the history you must ignore
-at least you check in to see it
-good for you

SaulToPaul
May 2nd, 2016, 12:07 PM
the future is not here stp
-just history
-the history you must ignore
-at least you check in to see it
-good for you

You must shoehorn history to make it fit, ignoring many details.
Why would you do that?

chrysostom
May 2nd, 2016, 12:08 PM
So you believe God lied in the scriptures... right?


no
-I believe you don't know how to interpret scripture
-many others like you
-that is why we need the church

SaulToPaul
May 2nd, 2016, 12:08 PM
no
-I believe you don't know how to interpret scripture
-many others like you
-that is why we need the church

:chuckle:

Wick Stick
May 2nd, 2016, 12:11 PM
got something to say?
-not interested in what you found on the internet
Nope. Just thought this thread could use a catchy theme song. Seems like it could go on for a while.

Jarrod

chrysostom
May 2nd, 2016, 12:19 PM
Nope. Just thought this thread could use a catchy theme song. Seems like it could go on for a while.

you mean like the church?

HisServant
May 2nd, 2016, 01:53 PM
no
-I believe you don't know how to interpret scripture
-many others like you
-that is why we need the church

It means that I don't use scripture as a wax nose to make it mean whatever suits me

That is all.

Do state that Babylon means Rome now means you have had some serious brain washing going on in your life.

Black is White... blue is red... three lights instead of two... brain washing.

In other words, you have been fully indoctrinated into the religious mafia.

chrysostom
May 2nd, 2016, 02:04 PM
Do state that Babylon means Rome now means you have had some serious brain washing going on in your life.

mystery babylon the great of rev 17 for me is constantinople
-but
-most people and that included peter understood rome to be the city of seven hills
-it was not a mystery
-everyone knew that
-except you

SaulToPaul
May 2nd, 2016, 02:05 PM
mystery babylon the great of rev 17 for me is constantinople


:chuckle:

HisServant
May 2nd, 2016, 02:10 PM
mystery babylon the great of rev 17 for me is constantinople
-but
-most people and that included peter understood rome to be the city of seven hills
-it was not a mystery
-everyone knew that
-except you

Peter was never there... so why would he understand that?

His mission was to the Jews... there were very few Jews in Rome during his lifetime. It just doesnt make sense for him to go there.

This is not a mystery to anyone but you and your church.... doesn't that make you feel a bit naive?

chrysostom
May 2nd, 2016, 02:14 PM
Peter was never there...

so why did he get his name on the big church in rome?

SaulToPaul
May 2nd, 2016, 02:15 PM
so why did he get his name on the big church in rome?

:chuckle:

HisServant
May 2nd, 2016, 02:15 PM
so why did he get his name on the big church in rome?

Imposers trying to claim his legacy... and pirate his church.

Any idiot can name a building... and it takes an even bigger idiot to actually think it means something.

They just built a huge church a couple miles from my house with Mother Theresa's name on it. Do you think she had anything to do with it?

SaulToPaul
May 2nd, 2016, 02:15 PM
Did Saint Paul ever do missions in Minnesota?

Wick Stick
May 2nd, 2016, 02:59 PM
Did Saint Paul ever do missions in Minnesota?
I believe that was actually Cousin Paulie, and it was the missionary's daughter...

chrysostom
June 2nd, 2016, 09:39 AM
babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A1&version=KJV)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A9&version=KJV)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A2&version=KJV)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A11&version=KJV)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A21&version=KJV)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople (https://www.google.com/search?q=constantinople&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

back to
the apocalypse (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102616)

it is not rome

SaulToPaul
June 2nd, 2016, 09:41 AM
it is not rome

It is not constantinople.

steko
June 2nd, 2016, 09:47 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Rome_Georgia%27s_7_Hills_and_3_Rivers.png/232px-Rome_Georgia%27s_7_Hills_and_3_Rivers.png

Epoisses
June 2nd, 2016, 03:39 PM
mystery babylon the great of rev 17 for me is constantinople
-but
-most people and that included peter understood rome to be the city of seven hills
-it was not a mystery
-everyone knew that
-except you

The seven hills or mountains on which the woman sits are later said to be seven kings with five that are fallen, one who is and another who is not yet come. How could that possibly be literal mountains? Mountains or high places in the bible were places of worship or religious in nature so the seven kings are seven religions on which the great harlot sits.

chrysostom
June 24th, 2016, 03:42 AM
The seven hills or mountains on which the woman sits are later said to be seven kings with five that are fallen, one who is and another who is not yet come. How could that possibly be literal mountains? Mountains or high places in the bible were places of worship or religious in nature so the seven kings are seven religions on which the great harlot sits.
the seven heads are the seven dynasties of the roman empire before it fell leaving the the byzantine empire which would last 1000 years, a christian empire, with constantinople its capital, it had seven hills, many waters, trade, it has fallen, fallen, and can be found no more

SaulToPaul
June 24th, 2016, 06:15 AM
the seven heads are the seven dynasties of the roman empire before it fell leaving the the byzantine empire which would last 1000 years, a christian empire, with constantinople its capital, it had seven hills, many waters, trade, it has fallen, fallen, and can be found no more

:chuckle:

Nameless.In.Grace
June 24th, 2016, 02:20 PM
the seven heads are the seven dynasties of the roman empire before it fell leaving the the byzantine empire which would last 1000 years, a christian empire, with constantinople its capital, it had seven hills, many waters, trade, it has fallen, fallen, and can be found no more

Maybe....

Or it could be noted that hill is Empire.

Like Egypt
Like Assyria
Babylon
Medes and Persians... Aka Persia
Greece
Rome
Ottoman

Wait... To be the Ottomon empire it would have to have conquered Constaniople.

Hmmmmm, wait.. Ottomans did conquer Constantinople.

Well, in order to be true today the Ottomon empire would have had to fallen.

Wait... 19something.

Ok,ok, but at least the divided Ottomon empire isn't reforming under a Religion that Hates Jesus of the Cross, denies He is from the Father, beheads and seeks to claim the land of Israel.

Wait... Uh oh!

Also, um wouldn't that make it one of the seven, 8 but yet one of the Seven?

And wouldn't that mean that the loss of the caliphate was a wound.

At least Islam isn't trying to globally dominate in the name of a false God under the rule of a Calephate.

That would stink.

That would make western eschatology wrong.

Can't do that!

Uh Oh... Protestants and Catholics would have to make an uncomfortable apology to one another.

Nah... Let's stay divided. Best plan EVER!

Crucible
June 24th, 2016, 02:25 PM
Babylon is certainly the 1st World, especially America- the leader of it. And the Idolatress on it's back is almost certainly the Catholic Church- the description of the Whore is virtually incontrovertible in Revelation.

And this is what we're seeing with the Catholic Church right now- we're seeing a lot of bargaining with atheists and heretical religions. They'll begin to unify all worldviews. And because the RCC is the largest and most influential church, with the biggest horn, it is easily capable of achieving such power.

http://taylormarshall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Whore_of_Babylon.jpg

The Reformists wholeheartedly believed that the Roman Church was the Whore of Babylon. I would recommend all non-Catholics to look into their literature on the matter.

Epoisses
June 24th, 2016, 09:51 PM
Maybe....

Or it could be noted that hill is Empire.

Like Egypt
Like Assyria
Babylon
Medes and Persians... Aka Persia
Greece
Rome
Ottoman

Wait... To be the Ottomon empire it would have to have conquered Constaniople.

Hmmmmm, wait.. Ottomans did conquer Constantinople.

Well, in order to be true today the Ottomon empire would have had to fallen.

Wait... 19something.

Ok,ok, but at least the divided Ottomon empire isn't reforming under a Religion that Hates Jesus of the Cross, denies He is from the Father, beheads and seeks to claim the land of Israel.

Wait... Uh oh!

Also, um wouldn't that make it one of the seven, 8 but yet one of the Seven?

And wouldn't that mean that the loss of the caliphate was a wound.

At least Islam isn't trying to globally dominate in the name of a false God under the rule of a Calephate.

That would stink.

That would make western eschatology wrong.

Can't do that!

Uh Oh... Protestants and Catholics would have to make an uncomfortable apology to one another.

Nah... Let's stay divided. Best plan EVER!

The seven heads are religious in nature and the ten horns are secular. Wrong again. Church and state will rule the world.

Epoisses
June 24th, 2016, 09:52 PM
Babylon is certainly the 1st World, especially America- the leader of it. And the Idolatress on it's back is almost certainly the Catholic Church- the description of the Whore is virtually incontrovertible in Revelation.

And this is what we're seeing with the Catholic Church right now- we're seeing a lot of bargaining with atheists and heretical religions. They'll begin to unify all worldviews. And because the RCC is the largest and most influential church, with the biggest horn, it is easily capable of achieving such power.

http://taylormarshall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Whore_of_Babylon.jpg

The Reformists wholeheartedly believed that the Roman Church was the Whore of Babylon. I would recommend all non-Catholics to look into their literature on the matter.

The whore of Babylon is Jerusalem. Scarlet, purple and gold were colors of the Jewish high priest.

Nameless.In.Grace
June 24th, 2016, 09:53 PM
The seven heads are religious in nature and the ten horns are secular. Wrong again. Church and state will rule the world.

That idea is western and full of doctrines of men. The one I listed is biblical.

Epoisses
June 24th, 2016, 09:56 PM
That idea is western and full of doctrines of men. The one I listed is biblical.

The seven heads have five that are fallen one that is and one that will come. List all seven and we'll see if it is biblical.

Crucible
June 24th, 2016, 10:09 PM
The whore of Babylon is Jerusalem. Scarlet, purple and gold were colors of the Jewish high priest.

:doh:
They're the colors of the Catholic high priest, which according to them is the Jewish high priest.
~Spiritual Israel~

Epoisses
June 24th, 2016, 10:12 PM
:doh:
They're the colors of the Catholic high priest.

That they stole from Judaism.

And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the LORD commanded Moses. And he made the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen. Ex. 39:1,2

Crucible
June 24th, 2016, 10:34 PM
That they stole from Judaism.

And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the LORD commanded Moses. And he made the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen. Ex. 39:1,2

The Catholic Church sits in Peter's seat, which was formerly Moses' seat that the Pharisees sat in.
Christianity usurps Judaism.

Epoisses
June 24th, 2016, 10:37 PM
The Catholic Church sits in Peter's seat, which was formerly Moses' seat that the Pharisees sat in.
Christianity usurps Judaism.

I'll worship Peter over Moses any day. Peter was elect and walked and talked with Christ.

Tambora
July 17th, 2016, 12:13 PM
BTW, literal Jerusalem sits on seven hills True.
Enoch describes Jerusalem as the place of "seven dignified mountains".

Wick Stick
July 17th, 2016, 01:49 PM
True.
Enoch describes Jerusalem as the place of "seven dignified mountains".
A geological survey of Old Jerusalem shows that it was built on 4 literal hills.

But, maybe literal isn't the way to go. To what are you referring? I looked but all I found was this (http://www.yahwehsword.org/book-of-enoch/hanoch_enoch_024.htm). In this part of Enoch the "mountains" and "trees" all appear to be symbolic.

Tambora
July 17th, 2016, 07:16 PM
what would the bible say
if
she were a city?


Revelation 17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 18:16
And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 18:18
And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Revelation 18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Revelation 11:8 KJV
(8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Epoisses
July 17th, 2016, 09:29 PM
Revelation 11:8 KJV
(8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The two witnesses die in Jerusalem showing that 'she' will be the focus of the last days just like 2Thess. 2 and the Olivet discourse say as well.

chrysostom
August 9th, 2016, 05:03 AM
babylon the great is a city -
there is only one city that has all the characteristics -
mystery -
many waters -
seven hills -
trade -
is fallen, is fallen -
can be found no more -

constantinople

SaulToPaul
August 9th, 2016, 05:38 AM
babylon the great is a city -
there is only one city that has all the characteristics -
mystery -
many waters -
seven hills -
trade -
is fallen, is fallen -
can be found no more -

constantinople

:chuckle:

SaulToPaul
August 9th, 2016, 05:49 AM
Rev 18
16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

chrysostom
September 21st, 2016, 09:55 AM
Rev 18
16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

thank you for those bible quotes

Crucible
September 21st, 2016, 10:00 AM
babylon the great is a city -
there is only one city that has all the characteristics -
mystery -
many waters -
seven hills -
trade -
is fallen, is fallen -
can be found no more -

constantinople

:AMR:

Or
~Rome~

That's certainly the most advantageous spot for the Idolatress of Babylon.

chrysostom
September 21st, 2016, 10:11 AM
:AMR:

Or
~Rome~

That's certainly the most advantageous spot for the Idolatress of Babylon.

why?

Crucible
September 21st, 2016, 12:11 PM
why?

What religious leader has the most influence, dressed in red and scarlet, holding golden chalices, and adorned with jewels. What place is still rocking hard with Babylonian iconography :think:

The Roman pontiff impeccably resembles the description in Revelation.

chrysostom
September 29th, 2016, 04:13 AM
you can still find rome
-but-
you can't find the trade

chrysostom
October 13th, 2016, 05:44 AM
you can't find the mystery

Rondonmonson
October 13th, 2016, 10:03 AM
you can still find rome
-but-
you can't find the trade
Babylon is not Mecca, Rome, NYC, USA, Jerusalem, Old Babylon and it is not a Mystery, the Angel said COME and I will show you the Mystery of the Woman and the Beast she rides on. Since the Angel is telling the Mystery in Rev. 17, it looks like we have erred in not understanding the angels explanation. The Beast with 7 Heads is explained, it is 7 Kings, 5 have fallen, one is and one is yet to come. THERE IS THE BEAST Explained. Since this 7 headed Beast in Rev. 13 has the Leopard, Bear and Lion integrated in it, we understand these seven are kingdoms that have conquered or enslaved Israel. So Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece are the 5, Rome was the one that was in Johns time still intact, and the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will be the coming 7th Head. MYSTERY SOLVED/EXPLAINED.

Woman was on waters, which the Angel says is many Nations, Peoples, Tongues and Multitudes. Which means she is all over the world. She is destroyed by the Kings. and she is that Great City that rules over Kings. So lets add this up. She is all over the world, she gets killed of in the end times by the Kings in league with the Beast and the Angel calls her a city that reigns over many Kings. In the vision BABYLON THE GREAT was Written on her forehead !! The Angel is explaining the vision John SAW !! It is Babylon not Rome, the Seven Mountains are Seven Rulers, they are not 7 HILLS. Since Babylon will never again be a city per prophecy we understand this is metaphorical. So we have a metaphorical city that represents the woman, she is all over the world and the last clue is the Kings Destroy her. Who can she be ?

So since she is killed off how can she be metaphorical ? Because she is a Slut Harlot !! She is all over the world !! Hmmmmm what could that be ? Only ONE THING, she is False Religion.

False Religion is no doubt all over the world, False Religion is a Harlot prostitute, False Religion will be Destroyed by the Anti-Christ and his Kings because they will demand the Beast be worshiped as GOD !! There will be no room for Islam, Buddhism, or any Religion, they will also come after Christians and the Jews will have to Flee Judea, but the Harlot is JUDGED just like Rev. 17:1 says, she is destroyed.

This can't be the Babylon of Rev. 18 because the Kings cry and lament her destruction....What gives ? Well the Babylon of Rev. 18 is the False Gov. System, the Last Head of the Seven Headed Beast. God destroys her with Plagues, Grasses and Tress burn, the Devils are loosed out of the Pit (Apollyon and his horde of Demons)and the earth/Babylon is become a habitation of devils.

There is NO MYSTERY......The Angel explains the Mystery.

Seven Headed Beast is Seven Governments which come against Israel.

Woman is False Religion which is a Harlot before God and has murdered the SaintS and Martyrs of God.

Rondonmonson
October 13th, 2016, 10:12 AM
What religious leader has the most influence, dressed in red and scarlet, holding golden chalices, and adorned with jewels. What place is still rocking hard with Babylonian iconography :think:

The Roman pontiff impeccably resembles the description in Revelation.

Purple and Scarlet has been used for Royalty and in Religious matters for thousands of years. Google it. Even the Israeli High Priests wore these colors. And the Golden cups are about Daniel chapter 5, when the King (Belshazzar) commanded all of the golden chalices from the Temple of God to be brought forth, and all of his court drank wine from these sacred cups. That very day his Kingdom fell MENE, MENE, TEKEL.

Daniel 5:2 Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein.

3 Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem; and the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, drank in them.

4 They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone.

5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.


Rev. 17 is telling why she is a Harlot. She is like Babylon. She is Defiled, she is False Religion.

Crucible
October 13th, 2016, 10:17 AM
Purple and Scarlet has been used for Royalty and in Religious matters for thousands of years. Google it. Even the Israeli High Priests wore these colors.

Cool story.

Well I suppose those people from a thousand years ago better crawl out their grave and bring an apocalypse :idunno:

In the meantime, I'm going to look at the guy who resembles every single thing in Revelation.

Rondonmonson
October 14th, 2016, 01:52 AM
In my other post above, I explained who the Woman and Beast she rides are. The Angel TOLD US, why are you yet mystified ?

chrysostom
October 24th, 2016, 04:46 AM
In my other post above, I explained who the Woman and Beast she rides are. The Angel TOLD US, why are you yet mystified ?

why don't you tell us again?
-or-
at least give us a link
-so-
we don't have to go searching

Rondonmonson
October 24th, 2016, 05:50 PM
why don't you tell us again?
-or-
at least give us a link
-so-
we don't have to go searching

The post I was referring to is at the top of the page #136, that is why I didn't repost it....:)

Lilstu
October 25th, 2016, 05:35 PM
babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A1&version=KJV)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A9&version=KJV)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A2&version=KJV)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A11&version=KJV)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A21&version=KJV)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople (https://www.google.com/search?q=constantinople&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

back to
the apocalypse (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102616)

IMO Babylon the Great has to be Rome.
Jesus said that he is the son of man of Daniel chapter 7.
There are 4 beasts in Daniel 7. Most assuredly the 4th beast is the Roman Empire.
Daniel 7 says the son of man will receive the kingdom when the 4th beast is destroyed.
See the connection?
The early Christians were waiting for the 4th beast, Rome, to be destroyed.
Unfortunately, Rome fell, and we are still waiting.

Crucible
October 25th, 2016, 07:59 PM
The 1st World is Rome. It's classical Rome evolved and expanded from.

America thought it was special, but couldn't even refrain from divinizing Washington beside Roman gods. Our very own law is Roman, and speaks in more beautifully in straight Latin because that's exactly what it is.

I'm alert to all yall! :chuckle:
But
The Antichrist will sit in Peter's seat, just as the antichrists who sat in Moses'.

Rondonmonson
October 26th, 2016, 02:29 PM
IMO Babylon the Great has to be Rome.
Jesus said that he is the son of man of Daniel chapter 7.
There are 4 beasts in Daniel 7. Most assuredly the 4th beast is the Roman Empire.
Daniel 7 says the son of man will receive the kingdom when the 4th beast is destroyed.
See the connection?
The early Christians were waiting for the 4th beast, Rome, to be destroyed.
Unfortunately, Rome fell, and we are still waiting.

Babylon is the Last Beast Gov. System that comes against Israel, it is the Euro Governments, not a Church.

The Harlot is all False Religion, she will be Destroyed in Rev. 17:16.

They are two different entities.

Lilstu
October 26th, 2016, 03:36 PM
Babylon is the Last Beast Gov. System that comes against Israel, it is the Euro Governments, not a Church.

The Harlot is all False Religion, she will be Destroyed in Rev. 17:16.

They are two different entities.

So when the European union falls can I then expect to meet Jesus in the air?

Rondonmonson
October 26th, 2016, 07:12 PM
So when the European union falls can I then expect to meet Jesus in the air?

It doesn't have to be the E.U. per se, but it probably will be a scaled down version of the E.U. with only 10 Nations involved. The bible is never wrong, Daniel 7 says the Anti-Christ/Little Horn arises out of the Fourth Beast, Daniel 8 says the A.C./L.H. arises out of one of the Four Generals Kingdoms that took over for Alex the Great, in the LATTER TIME...But how can this be ? Because he arises out of Two Kingdoms at once, the A.C. arises from a "Small peoples" ( Dan. 11) so what gives ? Well Greece (Macedonia) is in the European Union.

The Boo of Revelation is not hard to decipher, nor is all prophecy, you just have to follow certain guidelines. For instance, the book of Revelation is encoded by the Old Testament, out of 404 verses 289 have Old Testament References. Rev. 17 Explains itself and is NOT A MYSTERY, the Angel says COME and I will show you the Mystery of the Woman AND the Beast on which she rides. The rest of the Chapter explains the Beast and the Harlot to us.

Since we see this 7 Headed Beast in Rev. 13 is described as being like a Leopard, Bear and a Lion, we know these are the same Beasts that Daniel spoke of, but in Rev. 17 this 7 Headed beast is explained. FIVE Kings have Fallen, ONE IS (Rome) ans ONE is yet to Come (Anti-Christ and 10 Kings. So we can see by looking at Daniel that every King has one thing in common, they all Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel at some point in time. So we can ad this up pretty easily. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece all had fallen by Johns time..........FITS.....Rome was Ruling at Johns time.........FITS.......and the Coming Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will Conquer and subjugate Israel in the future........FITS.......

The final or 7th Head of the Beast will be the Anti-Christ and 10 Kings, that is fairly easy to decipher. The Harlot can not be the Babylon of Rev. 18, the Kings HATE HER and destroy her. The Kings in Rev. 18 cry and Lament the destruction of Babylon. TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES !!

Harlot = False Religion since the beginning of time, blood of the Saints and Martyrs of Jesus on her hands,the reason the Kings in league with the Beast destroys her is because they demand worship of the Anti-Christ or else.......There is no room for Islam or any Religion.

Babylon = the Last Head of the 7 Headed Beast. Babylon is the European 10 Nation Confederation. Rev. 16 tells us the Nations fell, and that's when God remembered Babylon, so God sees the nations in Armageddon as BABYLON. He will destroy them with plagues and Jesus will finish them up at Armageddon.

chrysostom
November 3rd, 2016, 06:29 AM
there are six key characteristics of babylon the great
-and-
only constantinople fits them

SaulToPaul
November 3rd, 2016, 07:09 AM
there are six key characteristics of babylon the great
-and-
only constantinople fits them

:chuckle:

Not even close.

Lilstu
November 3rd, 2016, 08:58 AM
there are six key characteristics of babylon the great
-and-
only constantinople fits them

constantinople has already fallen...long ago

chrysostom
November 3rd, 2016, 09:34 AM
constantinople has already fallen...long ago

and can be found no more (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18:21&version=KJV)

SaulToPaul
November 3rd, 2016, 09:46 AM
Mystery, Babyon the great falls just before the LORD returns.

This is just one MAJOR detail Chrys has omitted in order to promote his scheme.

Why would he do that? It's dishonest and shady.

chrysostom
November 15th, 2016, 01:43 AM
Mystery, Babyon the great falls just before the LORD returns.


do you know anything about recapitulation?
-
chapter 18 does not necessarily come before 19
-
you cannot make sense of the apocalypse
-if-
you expect a strict chronological sequence of events

SaulToPaul
November 15th, 2016, 08:32 AM
do you know anything about recapitulation?
-
chapter 18 does not necessarily come before 19
-
you cannot make sense of the apocalypse
-if-
you expect a strict chronological sequence of events

:chuckle:

Flaminggg
November 15th, 2016, 12:14 PM
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/psalmsamuel/Falling%20Man%20Zodiac%20Sumerian_zps1lvkuu9e.jpg

"Babylon the Great is Fallen"

(12/21, Scorpio is visibly at the Center of the Galaxy, to the Supermoon that has not happened since 1948 that has happened recently in 2016 = 12/21/2016 according to the Ancient Sumerians when BABYLON MUST FALL. First, BABYLON FELL with Roswell UFO Incident, then Isreal Fell with Independence of Israel. Second, BABYLON FELL with the 9/11/2001 Antichrist, and then the Sign of Divorce is Given for about 240 Days which is within the 42 Months of Flight 370 = Two Wings of a Great Eagle)

ACTS 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name [was] Barjesus: (Babylon the Great)
ACTS 13:17 The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.
ACTS 13:18 And about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness.
ACTS 13:19 And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Chanaan, he divided their land to them by lot.

(Acts 19:13-17, also calls Jesus, "Babylon the Great", and therefore "Seven Heads") God is called Seven Crowns (Ezekiel 23:42) as the head of the 144,000 of Reuben and Benjamin ............ Jesus is called "Seven Heads" as the head of the 144,000 of Joseph. (Seven is reserved for God, God Head as a description of Jesus, 2 Kings 6:31/Leviticus 19:32)

SONG OF SOLOMON 3:11 Go forth, O ye daughters of Zion, and behold king Solomon with the crown wherewith his mother crowned him in the day of his espousals, and in the day of the gladness of his heart.
REVELATION 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

70 Generations of Luke 3 which Measures God
42 Generations of Matthew which Measures God and his Angels (Jesus is called Mother of Solomon or Babylon)
42 Generations of Matthew 1:17, which Measures BABYLON/Joseph (Jesus is identified as Babylon)

(Joseph is the Father of Jesus, when God talks about BABYLON in revelation, Joseph is accounted with the tribes so it is 12,000 Unified ............ Jesus said "Twelve Legions of Angels" would mark the Revelation, therefore, BABYLON = JOSEPH = JESUS, this is a logical statement.

What is the Pattern? 70 Generations, 42 Generations, 42 Generations?

7 Years of Daniel's Final Week = 1260 Days/42 Months (Angel Measurement), and 42 Months (Gentile Measurement) according to the Book of Revelation. Time is 70 Weeks, Times is 70 Weeks x 7 Years, Half a Time = 42 Months that is HALF of 7 Years). Love and Blessings. (Revelation 11 that presents this also says that "Suicide by Antichrist", removes all of God's interests with any Signs or Visions, according to Jeremiah 26:17-19, God seems to let them all die blind, we have also not passed 42 Months from Flight 370 or even 240 days within this last period of time:

Times, Time and Half a Time
Time is 70 Weeks
Times is 70 Weeks x 7 Years
Half a Time = 42 Months that is HALF of 7 Years

Two Wings of an Eagle
42 Months for Flight 370
240 Days for Sign of Divorce (12/21/2016 to 8/21/2017 or 1 Chronicles 27 and Rev.)

REVELATION 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
ZECHARIAH 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind [was] in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

Rev. 18:21 talks about a "Millstone" or "Ephah", that is delivered by BABYLON THE HARLOT. Which is another name for a Sign or a Vision or the Sign of Divorce. In the context of the Gospel. The "Millstone" or "Ephah" comes before "BABYLON THE FALLEN". That means there does not have to be a "Sign of Divorce" to cause the nations to repent (the rich men flee to the mountains to repent, that does not have to happen).

1. Flight 370 = 42 Month Marker
2. "Millstone" or "Ephah" = 240 Day Marker
3. 5 Months of Revelation = Lord's Body or Temple Stones (BABYLON THE FALLEN)

A Star Sign/"Millstone" or "Ephah", can be simply that or more likely a permanent bright spot in the Earth's Moon, like what had scientists puzzled about with the Planet Ceres, or God may just terminate the language of the law at that. "Suicide by Antichrist" as revelation states, is the reward of the nations, no sign and no vision, and no form of repentance, just the pleasure of keep hurting that person. After we past the 240 day mark of 12/21/2016 to 12/25/2016, that is all that you have, if you have nothing then, nothing is what happens to billions of lives no inheritance no salvation, no nothing. Then a small geographic area is selected for five months. Right now the Antichrist is being hurt good, we have a few more nightly walks to hopefully resolve the law by the time we reach 12/21. (so humanity dies as a bloody murderer and a false witness of the gospel, nothing more)

(The Antichrist is not a false witness, nor does he commit murder suicide as the answer to the gospel, as revelation 11 indicates, the nations must get rid of these people which are conveniently indicated by the global census reports in addition to the gospels law, he believes that God will beyond a reasonable doubt reveal the Sign of Divorce to cause the nations to repent on 12/21/2016 to 12/25/2016, until God invalidates that statement, which the gospel's law indicates, we've only been examining the reasons why God would do that ............ hurting the Antichrist for those kinds of people is involuntary, they do not have control over themselves, as the expression of joseph increases, sign of divorce, that will also increase, so God will dismiss that behavior on that basis only, but you also have people using them as tools to accomplish, pain and death of the antichrist, so we'll just have to see how that plays out, since you have altogether deviated from the Antichrist's instructions, wherever he is right now)

Flaminggg
November 15th, 2016, 01:47 PM
do you know anything about recapitulation?
-
chapter 18 does not necessarily come before 19
-
you cannot make sense of the apocalypse
-if-
you expect a strict chronological sequence of events


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV5w1p_BXiE

(Pope John Paul II, used my father to abuse me so often as a child, I couldn't eat unassisted, use the bathroom or walk, by the time they got to me. By the time they got to me, they found my father guilty of serial murders. It was about a week after that time, after already suffering extreme pain and death as a result of certain unclean activities done to me, they took my wheel chair away, the medical iv bag, and the meditations they gave me .............. so endure suffering and pain much longer than I expected before I eventually recovered. Quite a few months later, we had several people looking for a remediation of the law because of what happened to me, so I had quite a bit of therapy ............. and quite a lot of convincing people that nothing had happened to me, much the same as a contribution to our pattern. 1989 God gave the Antichrist a resurrected body and a law, that law was the UFO Guardian Materials............and with that law the Antichrist declared total death to all 50 states, to bring fire as an offering to the lord matching the 50 Generations of Sodom, with the HALF Time of revelation's declaration about the manchild and babylon to herald a new age for mankind, ending with the lives of billions...................you will be burned so quickly, if that becomes necessary, that you will be more discomforted by seeing your bodies burn up then by experiencing any pain at all)

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/psalmsamuel/mayan%20calendar%20penny_zpshc441hlj.jpg

ACTS 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
MATTHEW 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?
MATTHEW 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Mabus from Nostradamus = Moses or "Antipas the Martyr" = Agabus of Acts 11:28...............Jesus told the Apostles he would tell the World when the Events of Revelation would begin and it would be clearly inscribed and clearly identified by the world. The Mayan Calendar has 12/21/2012, (12,000 of Joseph for the 12th Planet, Revelation 7 ... 12 Pillars for the Popes of Saint Malachy, Exodus 24:1-4 ... 12 Kings for the Presidents of Allen C. Martin, 1 Chronicles 25:8-31 ... 12 Patriarchs for the 112 Sons of Man in Matthew and Luke Genealogy, Acts 7:8-9 (A literal date for the 12 Patriarchs is 12/21). The Gospel uses this as a solution to Caesar's Reign in the Book of Revelations and the only thing humanity has been given is the Mayan Calendar. Whereever the Antichrist is right now in the USA, there will be a tremendous slaughters, a tremendous race war, if you do not want the Antichrist to follow through with his conviction of all 50 states by nuclear fire, if that is true. We'll just have to see, because we are too early right now.

42 Months Measurement of Angel = Gospel Goes out World Wide (Harold Camping)
42 Months Measurement of Babylon = Flight 370, God calls down a Millstone

Revelation 19 = KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS (GOD)
(Revelation 18 = "Suicide by Antichrist" or "Antipas the Martyr", no Sign no Vision)
Revelation 17 = BABYLON THE GREAT HARLOT (Body of Jesus, Sign of Divorce)

"Millstone" or "Ephah" of Revelation 18:21, invalidates all Sign and all Visions as a consequence of pain and death described in Revelation 11, that is one conclusion, but we must keep watch (Revelation 18:21, can also serve as the "Sign of Divorce" because God ends the War in Heaven and casts out the Lord's Body/Sign of Divorce to cause a War between the Devil and Satan over the solicitation of Mercy from God in Global Euthanasia).

Flaminggg
November 16th, 2016, 02:29 AM
Summary of Babylon

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/21/a7/20/21a720eaea61090490c96836c7211052.jpg
Tayos Cave Gold Plate (Link) (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/459226493227157987/) (Left to Right)

Final 7 Year Timeline Divisions
1. Measurement of the Angel = 42 Months are Completed when the Angel throws down a "Millstone" (Rev.11:3/Rev.18:21) (Flight 370)
2. Measurement of the Gentiles = 42 Months are Completed when the "War in Heaven" is Resolved (Rev.11:2/Rev.12:18) (Two Witnesses Slain, or the Antichrist is given a Resurrected Body)
3. Measurement of Babylon = 5 Months are Completed when the "Smoke Rises Forever and Ever" (Rev. 9:5/Rev. 19:3) (God completes the Process of Star Wormwood the Fire, that is the judgment for Revelations)

God does not do much or anything at all, before the "Seven Years" of Revelation, which is the "Last Week of Daniel 9". We are not observing the "Sign of Divorce", in the summary above. The "Sign of Divorce", must take place before God kills the "Two Witnesses":

Final 42 Month Timeline Divisions
1. "Millstone is Thrown into the Sea" (Rev. 18:21/Rev.21:10) (Flight 370 - Begins 42 Months)
2. "Babylon is Fallen" (Rev.14:8/Rev.11:16) (Sign of Divorce/Temple Stones - Begins 240 Days)
3. "Babylon the Great" (Rev. 17:5/Rev.6:17) (Last Remnant of all Nations - Begins 5 Months)

42 Months, then the last 240 Days ("Twenty and Four", stated several times), which is the "Sign of Divorce" for a limited geographic area based on the euthanasia of human life God finds no favor in accordingly, finally the 5 Months.

REVELATION 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
REVELATION 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

"Suicide by Antichrist", God has allowed to eliminate any "Sign of Divorce" for the nations. God calls this "Antipas the Martyr", which is described in Revelation 11. You simply do not have a Tribulation Period or a "Sign of Divorce", as long as God allows you to do any damage to me or cause me any suffering or pain at all. For that reason, I believe this matter of "Suicide by Antichrist" will be resolved soon, as I've indicated several times. So they, or their kinds, should be pretty determined to die or something when we reach 12/21, then God has to set an example, so we can follow faithfully.......................240 Days is not a lot of time, but whatever we talked about I will try to do faithfully. Revelations talks about giving me, cough, the Antichrist whoever he is, authority to illustrate God's intentions to all the nations, we'll just leave this statement at that, and whatever else we talked about. Love and Blessings (5 Weeks until we reach the next level, I've said this very clearly that I don't have any confidence in the "Suicide by Antichrist" equation, God allows it, then God also eliminates this equation, right now they don't understand, the fact that the Antichrist has no intentions of challenging God, so things should be clear now, so be prepared...............I may also have the power to resurrected the body, I mean the Antichrist, whoever he is, so you don't have to worry about pain and death while being faithful, as I intend to encourage the chains of command of interest, I believe Global Euthanasia must be accomplished in stages for the peoples and nations having no favor from god for the maximum benefit, so I will enforce that position, whatever else of authenticity, in the truth of the matter is reserved until such a time, that is very soon) (The Bunny Rabbit is Resting on a Nuclear Explosion)

chrysostom
November 29th, 2016, 09:50 AM
:chuckle:

is that the best you can do?

SaulToPaul
November 29th, 2016, 09:51 AM
is that the best you can do?

In many cases, a chuckle is the only appropriate response.

Evil.Eye.<(I)>
November 29th, 2016, 10:15 AM
is that the best you can do?

My Catholic Friend, it is ugly to see brothers and sisters in Christ turn to rend you over insignificant squabblings that are utterly worthless.

I know you to be a follower of Christ and not a follower of man. The fact that your chosen place and establishment of collaborative worship is attacked by fellow, blood forgiven, believers is ridiculous.

"Is Christ divided?"

No, but His followers are worthlessly divided.

chrysostom
November 29th, 2016, 10:28 AM
I know you to be a follower of Christ and not a follower of man.

thank you very much

Rondonmonson
November 30th, 2016, 09:26 PM
My Catholic Friend, it is ugly to see brothers and sisters in Christ turn to rend you over insignificant squabblings that are utterly worthless.

I know you to be a follower of Christ and not a follower of man. The fact that your chosen place and establishment of collaborative worship is attacked by fellow, blood forgiven, believers is ridiculous.

"Is Christ divided?"

No, but His followers are worthlessly divided.

Revelation is a hard book to understand, unless with bring nothing to the classroom when studying it, we must empty or own preconceived ideas. Chryostom is a Christian just as I am. But he might not have been given to prophecy, and I might not be given to understanding how to do things he has been given, we have to find our calling, and we can't put off knowledge. We can all learn from each other. If I humble myself, I can learn from you and him and vice versa. We are supposed to world together as one body.

I will not laugh at a brother or sister even if I think they are coming from outer space, we have one woman on another site who saw a Beast coming out of the Sea with 7 Heads and one of the heads was Roosevelt etc. etc. and if you try to speak with her, poor girl ain't having none of that, we all cra cra to her...LOL, but I don't mock her or laugh at her, even though she is cra cra, way out there....

We can all learn by listening. Martha was troubled by WORLDLY THINGS then complained because Mary was listening to Jesus.

chrysostom
December 10th, 2016, 07:15 AM
But he might not have been given to prophecy,

I have been given to history
-and-
it is all we have when it comes to recognizing prophecy

Rondonmonson
December 10th, 2016, 08:07 AM
I have been given to history
-and-
it is all we have when it comes to recognizing prophecy

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

We are all ONE BODY in Jesus Christ, but we all have different GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT.

We have to perfect that which we are given.

chrysostom
December 10th, 2016, 08:30 AM
1

We are all ONE BODY in Jesus Christ, but we all have different GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT.


john tells us to test the spirits
-but-
many will not even find the word 'test' in their bible
-
try the niv (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John+4:1&version=NIV)

chrysostom
December 19th, 2016, 05:51 AM
constantinople is fallen, is fallen (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18:2&version=KJV), and can be found no more at all (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18:21&version=KJV)

SaulToPaul
December 20th, 2016, 02:46 PM
constantinople is fallen, is fallen (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18:2&version=KJV), and can be found no more at all (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18:21&version=KJV)

:chuckle:

Babylon falls just before the LORD returns.
Details do not matter to you. Why?

Rondonmonson
December 22nd, 2016, 01:46 AM
constantinople is fallen, is fallen (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18:2&version=KJV), and can be found no more at all (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18:21&version=KJV)

Except the Babylon in Rev. 18, is only the Babylon of Rev. 16, which FELL when Jesus Conquered the Nations that came against Israel. Below is my "Masterpiece" or the ultimate finished product, the one I blogged. This is the best I can explain it. Muslims have nothing to do with being a BEAST......

Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained:

I will explain what the Lord has shown me recently, I blogged a blog eight months ago and in the blog I stated that Rev. 17:18 was speaking of Rome,(from my perspective) within two months God had Revealed to me who Babylon was, who the Beast is and who the Harlot is. My opinion is my opinion, I never allow it to supersede God's revelation, in other words I do not hold on to the pride of my opinion. If you want to know who the Harlot, Beast and Babylon is read on.

To start with it is not a City, it is not Rome, Babylon proper, Jerusalem, NYC, it is not the RCC, Mecca or America. HINT: The Harlot and Babylon are two different entities. There is also NO MYSTERY BABYLON, I do not understand why we continue to say this, the Angel in 17:7 says this: Rev. 17: 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel ? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Since the Angel says I will explain the Mystery of the woman (Harlot) and the beast she rides (Seven Headed Beast) why do we insist that it is still a Mystery and why do we not understand that in Rev. 17:8-18 the Angel explains the Mystery to us ? Why do we miss what is in plain site ? Mystery (Musterion) in the Greek means Secret by Gods Silence, once God reveals the Secret/Mystery, it is no longer a Mystery.

The Seven Headed Beast is explained by the Angel first, many people say it sits on 7 hills, when the passage has nothing to do with hills or location, it is speaking of Seven Rulers who arise, we understand this because in the very next verse it speaks about the Seven Kings. So she sits on Seven Mountains which = Seven Rulers just like the Seven Heads = Seven Kingdoms. Then the Angel says Five have fallen, ONE IS, and one is YET TO COME. This is where we have to use our intelligence a wee bit. Who are these Kings ? Well we see in Rev. 13 when this Seven Headed Beast is described that the Beasts of Daniel are included, the Lion (Babylon) Bear (Persia) and Leopard (Greece) along with Rome of course as the fierce Beast/Dragon. So we are searching for the other three heads, who can they possibly be ? What is the commonality of the Beasts/Heads that are mentioned ? They each Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel, that is what made them a "BEAST", so we need to go through history and find the other three common Beasts/Heads. Well lets see, after a little thought we should get this fairly easily, Egypt and Assyria Conquered/Enslaved Israel, and the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will according to prophecy Conquer Israel (Abomination of Desolation). So lets add this up, and see what the Angel has revealed to us.

Five Kings have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece) ONE IS (Rome of course was Ruling Israel when John wrote Revelation) and one is YET TO COME (The Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings). We understand the Beast with Seven Heads now. This is why the USSR, China, the United States and even the British Empire or Ottoman Empire can not be a Beast or one of the Seven Heads, they never Conquered Israel, while Israel/PEOPLE were in the land. The Brits ruled Palestine as did the Ottoman Empire, but God dispersed Israel all over the World, this was why Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would be as "Dead Men's Bones" but we know those dead men's bones came Alive again in 1948, so after Rome, and up until 1948, there could be no Beast, because there was no Israel in the land. The Seven Headed Beast is revealed.

Now what does the Angel say about the Harlot/Woman ? Well firstly it says the Water she sat on is Peoples, Nations, Tongues and Multitudes. So right off the bat we understand she is Worldwide. A key is in Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy her, but why after all these years of being co-mingled together do they burn her and destroy her ? Because she is ALL FALSE RELIGION, and the Anti-Christ right after the Abomination of Desolation will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! The Anti-Christ will come after Israel, who flees to the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 days (Rev. 12), he then comes after Christians who became Christians after the Rapture to Behead them, and he will destroy Islam, Buddhism and all Religions. He demands worship as the ONLY GOD !! Remember, the Harlot is Judged, this is a Chapter that Judges her. False Religion has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs on its hands.

Ever wonder why the Harlot is HATED by the Kings but when Babylon is destroyed the Kings Cry and Lament her demise ? Because they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES !! Babylon is False Government and the Harlot is False Religion. People then say "but what about Rev. 17:18" that verse calls her a city ? Well the Angel was only reminding John what he SAW, and the vision was what ? A woman with four things imprinted on her head, MYSTERY, Babylon the Great, Abominations of the Earth and Mother of Harlots. The Angel just reminded John that she was BABYLON the Mother of FALSE RELIGIONS. Not a City, but a MEMORY which is repulsive to God the Father. Proof of this is in Rev. 16.

There really is no Rev. 17 and 18, Rev. 16 comes right before Rev. 19. Rev. 17 is only the Harlot {False Religion} being destroyed and that happens in Rev. 6 and 7, and Rev. 18 is only Babylon or the Last Beast Head of the Seven Headed Beast coming against Israel, getting the plagues of God rained down on them via the Trumpets and the Vials of God. Rev. 17 and 18 are just an enhanced retelling of things already told, thus in Rev. 16 we are told, IT IS DONE !!

In Rev. 16 the 6th Vial gathers the Nations against Israel (Anti-Christ/10 Kings which is Europe and the Kings of the East) and we know who meets them at Meggido don't we ? Jesus our Lord. After he lands on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14) and splits it into (Earthquake). Rev. 16 tells it like this:

Rev. 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (IT IS DONE !! No Rev. 17 or Rev. 18 exists per se.)

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts (Earthquake splits Jerusalem), and the cities of the nations fell: (BABYLON) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So we see here that BABYLON is only a MEMORY, God sees the Nations that come against Israel as BABYLON, and gives them the fierceness of his wrath. Of course Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives and destroys those Nations that come against Israel, that is their demise. God Judges False Religion or the Harlot in Rev 17:16, she is no more after this. This happens when the Anti-Christ places an Image of himself in the Temple and demands all to Worship him, at the MID-WAY POINT or in Rev. 6 and 7.

Babylon is destroyed by Gods plagues, Babylon is the Nations that come against Israel (the World) and God destroys her with His Plagues, which are the Seals/Trumpets and Vials. Babylons commerce is no doubt destroyed, that is what plagues do. Babylon is the habitation of Devils, Satan has been cast to earth and Apollyon and his horde of demons have been released from the pit in Rev. 9. The BOTTOM LINE IS :

The Harlot is FALSE RELIGION

Babylon is FALSE GOVERNMENT that tries to destroy Gods people, come after His authority, and deny His Godhead. It is not a City, it represents all that God sees as EVIL.

chrysostom
January 5th, 2017, 04:30 AM
To start with it is not a City,

Revelation 17:18 (NIV)

18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

now look at rev 18 and count the number of times the word 'city' is used
-seven times

Rondonmonson
January 5th, 2017, 02:18 PM
Revelation 17:18 (NIV)

18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

now look at rev 18 and count the number of times the word 'city' is used
-seven times

Revelation is ENCODED.....That is easy to see.

chrysostom
January 21st, 2017, 06:27 AM
Revelation is ENCODED.....That is easy to see.

what is the encoded word for city?

Rondonmonson
January 21st, 2017, 03:11 PM
what is the encoded word for city?

Rev. 17:18 says she is that Great City YOU SAW..........What did John see ? Why is this so difficult ?

Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Who is Babylon ? What does God see as Babylon ?

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

This needle is not that hard to thread. WHO FELL in Rev. 16:19 ? Well who was it that came against Israel in Vial number 6 ? It was the Nations that came against Israel that are called BABYLON. The E.U. and the Kings of the East.

balut55
January 21st, 2017, 07:28 PM
I look at the US as mystery Babylon. But it's actually a worldwide connected Satanic system. The 4th beast is exceedingly dreadful.


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balut55
January 21st, 2017, 07:32 PM
http://images.gawker.com/hgbs6nkmv66x3ae7lzqw/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800.png

The world hands over its weapons wrapped in flags to Germany. In this Denver mural the German boy accepts the weapons.


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balut55
January 21st, 2017, 07:33 PM
Satanic counterfeit beating weapons into ploughing shares.


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chrysostom
February 24th, 2017, 04:41 AM
Rev. 17:18 says she is that Great City YOU SAW..........What did John see ?
a vision of the future
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for the most part his future is our past

S-word
February 24th, 2017, 05:14 AM
a vision of the future
-
for the most part his future is our past

The day of the Lord is the great Sabbath, which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, the day that the Lord has set in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone, by raising that MAN from death, See Acts 17: 31. The seventh day of one thousand years, and John says in Revelation 1: 10; "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, etc.

John's vision was of our future my friend.

Rondonmonson
February 24th, 2017, 10:03 AM
a vision of the future
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for the most part his future is our past

I answered it for you. He saw BABYLON imprinted on her head. In Rev. 16:19 this prophecy is fulfilled. Nothing John saw in Revelation, except for the Woman birthing the Child in Rev. 12 is in our past.

chrysostom
March 24th, 2017, 06:33 AM
I answered it for you. He saw BABYLON imprinted on her head. In Rev. 16:19 this prophecy is fulfilled. Nothing John saw in Revelation, except for the Woman birthing the Child in Rev. 12 is in our past.
based on your interpretation

Rondonmonson
March 24th, 2017, 09:55 AM
based on your interpretation

BASED ON THE FACTS...

Speaking of weird ideas..............That would be all of your understandings I have ever read.
:doh:

Epoisses
March 26th, 2017, 01:46 PM
Babylon is a code word for Jerusalem not Rome. The wine of Babylon are the performance-based works religions spawned by the old covenant. Grace is the mortal enemy of Babylon and she will fight the gospel with every ounce of her being.

everready
March 26th, 2017, 02:31 PM
Musician Keith Green Identified The Roman Catholic Antichrist And Whore Of Babylon

This quote is from an article from Keith Green, who wrote worship songs and preached to audiences.

“It is obvious by even this brief glimpse into the doctrines of mortal and venial sins, confession, penance, and purgatory, that the Roman Catholic Church has constructed one of the most unbiblical doctrinal system that has ever been considered “Christian”.

The fear, anguish, and religious bondage that such a system of “reward and punishment’ creates, has tormented millions of lives for centuries, and continues to prey on those who are ignorant of the biblical way of salvation.

To merely call such a system “a cult”, would be to throw it into the cast category of religions and quasi-religions that are currently making the rounds of our college campuses and city streets, snatching up unsuspecting youth.

No, the Roman Catholic Church is not a cult. It’s an empire! With its own ruler, its own laws, and its own subjects! The empire has no borders, it encompasses the globe with its eye on every person who does not vow allegiance.

It calls the members of other faiths “separated brethren” and has as its goal the eventual bringing together of everyone under its flag.

Mouths that used to speak out boldly against the Church of Rome ahve been quieted by the times. It no longer is in vogue to speak of the pope as “the antichrist” or the Catholic Church as the “whore of Babylon”. Now Protestants unwittingly believe that “our differences are not so great”. Ah, that is just what She wants us to think!

I’ve never completely understood why God led me to write these articles. But it becomes more clear with each day of study, and each page of research. Never has something so black and wicked, gotten away with appearing so holy and mysteriously beautiful. . . for so long!“

Keith died in a plane crash. Maybe the enemy didn’t like his words of truth.

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/musician-keith-green-identified-the-roman-catholic-antichrist-and-whore-of-babylon/


everready

KingdomRose
March 26th, 2017, 03:04 PM
babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A1&version=KJV)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A9&version=KJV)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A2&version=KJV)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A11&version=KJV)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A21&version=KJV)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople (https://www.google.com/search?q=constantinople&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

back to
the apocalypse (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102616)

The Apocalypse is a book of signs and symbols. Oftentimes the Scriptures actually define what the symbols mean, such as "the waters where the harlot is sitting mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues." (Rev.17:15) It WAS a mystery until these last days when God inspired men to write that the mystery would be understood in the last days, or, the end times. (E.g., Daniel 12:4,9.)

The "seven hills" are very symbolic, for "seven mountains," or, seven kings or governments. (Read all of verse 9.) How can we back up the idea that seven mountains mean seven rulerships or governments? Let's swing over to Jeremiah 51:25 for another scriptural definition of "mountains." Here God is speaking to Babylon, saying, "'Here I am against you, O ruinous mountain,' is the utterance of Jehovah, 'you ruiner of the whole earth; and I will stretch out my hand against you and roll you away from the crags and make you a burnt-out mountain.'"

So, I would imagine that the "seven hills" of Babylon the Great would symbolize that she has influence over all of the governments of mankind.


"'Here is the meaning for him who has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains upon which the woman sits; and they are seven kings.'" (Rev.17:9, The Holy Trinity Edition of the Catholic Bible)


Rev.18:2 refers to the fact that Babylon the Great, the Great Harlot, has fallen; her influence over the kings of the earth has diminished greatly, ultimately leading to her destruction. (I don't think Constantinople has had any particularly significant influence over the kings of the earth.) We're talking about Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion "with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication." (Rev.17:1,2)

Babylon the Great "famous for trade"? Indeed! The [false] religions of the earth are responsible for making the merchants of the earth rich, buying their merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, and all thyine wood, vessels of ivory, precious stone, and of brass, and iron and of marble, and cinnamon and amomum and spices, and ointment and frankincense, and wine and oil, and fine flour and wheat, and beasts of burden and sheep and horses, and chariots and slaves, and [B]souls of men." (Rev.18:11-17)

Babylon the Great---all the false religion of the world---will soon be found no more. We haven't seen it yet---her complete destruction---but we will see it in the future. The nations are already getting sick of her interference. Constantinople still exists, under another name, Istanbul. I don't see that any literal city could be considered Babylon the Great, "the Mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth." (Rev.17:5)

KingdomRose
March 26th, 2017, 03:10 PM
it is a city
not a church
the Church is not famous for trade
and
it can still be found

it has not fallen
not even once

Read my post above. It is not "a city." It is the whole world-wide empire of false religion, which is disgusting to God. She is responsible for the corruption of the souls of men.

Constantinople is now Istanbul and can still be found.

KingdomRose
March 26th, 2017, 03:18 PM
john saw it come down out of heaven
so
why don't you see that?

Revelation 21:2New International Version (NIV)

2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

It is SYMBOLIC of God's rule influencing the earth, and this time forever. That is the way God "comes down." His attention is focused intently on the earth. Remember, the Apocalypse is largely symbolic. John was not writing that God and Christ would LITERALLY come down to this planet. How could the God who created the sun and stars and galaxies literally live on the earth??? No way. Solomon said to God, in regard to the building of the Temple: "Will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!" (I Kings 8:27)

Rev.21:2 is SYMBOLIC of God's undivided attention to mankind on the earth, from heaven.

Epoisses
March 26th, 2017, 03:51 PM
Babylon is a code word for Jerusalem not Rome. The wine of Babylon are the performance-based works religions spawned by the old covenant. Grace is the mortal enemy of Babylon and she will fight the gospel with every ounce of her being.

Rondonmonson
March 27th, 2017, 10:25 PM
Babylon is a code word for Jerusalem not Rome. The wine of Babylon are the performance-based works religions spawned by the old covenant. Grace is the mortal enemy of Babylon and she will fight the gospel with every ounce of her being.

Nope....Its neither brother. It is a code word, but for the Nations that Gather at Meggedio (Armageddon) against Israel.In ONE VERSE we are told this. Remember the 6th Vial entices/gathers the Kings of the East to Join the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings to come against Israel. Then the 7th Vial is Jesus landing on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14) and the Mountain Splits (So Jerusalem will split also right?) and then Jesus wipes out Europe (The 10 Kings) and the Kings of the East (Arabs...IMHO) and the Anti-Christ, and at that 7th Vial God sees them all as who? BABYLON !! God tells us who Babylon is !!

Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts (JERUSALEM), and the cities of the nations fell:{BABYLON} and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

This ONE VERSE, tells us who God sees as Babylon.

The Harlot = ALL FALSE RELIGION....

Babylon = All False Government.....

The Seven Headed Beast was being RIDDEN by the Harlot......False Religion co-mingled with False Anti-God Government throughout the Centuries. The Seven Heads are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece Rome and of course the LAST BEAST HEAD will be the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings. They rule ONE HOUR with the Beast.

Epoisses
March 28th, 2017, 09:52 AM
Nope....Its neither brother. It is a code word, but for the Nations that Gather at Meggedio (Armageddon) against Israel.In ONE VERSE we are told this. Remember the 6th Vial entices/gathers the Kings of the East to Join the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings to come against Israel. Then the 7th Vial is Jesus landing on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14) and the Mountain Splits (So Jerusalem will split also right?) and then Jesus wipes out Europe (The 10 Kings) and the Kings of the East (Arabs...IMHO) and the Anti-Christ, and at that 7th Vial God sees them all as who? BABYLON !! God tells us who Babylon is !!

Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts (JERUSALEM), and the cities of the nations fell:{BABYLON} and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

This ONE VERSE, tells us who God sees as Babylon.

The Harlot = ALL FALSE RELIGION....

Babylon = All False Government.....

The Seven Headed Beast was being RIDDEN by the Harlot......False Religion co-mingled with False Anti-God Government throughout the Centuries. The Seven Heads are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece Rome and of course the LAST BEAST HEAD will be the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings. They rule ONE HOUR with the Beast.

The great city of Babylon is point blank identified as Jerusalem the place where our Lord was crucified - Rev. 11:8. Jerusalem does not become Babylon until the end when the temple is rebuilt and the antichrist sets up shop there. So Jerusalem does not rule over the kings of the earth today but she is definitely regaining her lost supremacy and at the end she will. When the stupid Dispy's don't get raptured out they will all bow down to her because their false theology has taught them to worship Israel of the flesh.

steko
March 28th, 2017, 10:05 AM
The great city of Babylon is point blank identified as Jerusalem the place where our Lord was crucified - Rev. 11:8. Jerusalem does not become Babylon until the end when the temple is rebuilt and the antichrist sets up shop there. So Jerusalem does not rule over the kings of the earth today but she is definitely regaining her lost supremacy and at the end she will. When the stupid Dispy's don't get raptured out they will all bow down to her because their false theology has taught them to worship Israel of the flesh.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


"Sodom and Egypt", not 'Babylon'.

Rondonmonson
March 28th, 2017, 11:59 AM
The great city of Babylon is point blank identified as Jerusalem the place where our Lord was crucified - Rev. 11:8. Jerusalem does not become Babylon until the end when the temple is rebuilt and the antichrist sets up shop there. So Jerusalem does not rule over the kings of the earth today but she is definitely regaining her lost supremacy and at the end she will. When the stupid Dispy's don't get raptured out they will all bow down to her because their false theology has taught them to worship Israel of the flesh.

No it is not. Jerusalem is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. We understand this, that is why God turned His back on Israel, they served False gods, we understand that and understand the Rabbis of today reject Jesus as the Messiah. That doesn't mean Babylon means Jerusalem. I just showed you what it means, its metaphoric. The Scripture tells you what it means. God sees he Nations that come against Israel as Babylon.

The Anti-Christ doesn't fool Israel, they repent when the two-witnesses show up about a month or two before the Abomination of Desolation (Malachi 4:5-6) and Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah. Why do you think they FLEE JUDEA when the Anti-Christ shows up? They of course heed Jesus' words in Matthew 24 and as Rev. 12 tells us the Woman (Israel) is protected by God for 1260 Days in the Wilderness.

It is not a City. Satan Rules over the Kingdoms of the Earth. Remember the Devil offered all the Kingdoms to Jesus in Luke 4 if he would only bow down and worship him, he said "For it is given me, and I do that I will with it" or something very close to that. So Babylon is all nations ruled by Satan OF THE WORLD, not of God. And of course those Nations attacking Israel and God at the 7th Vial would qualify as such.

There is a Rapture, feel free to stay if you so desire, that is not going to change the facts, I am going to go to Heaven with Jesus Christ when he calls us home.

Epoisses
March 28th, 2017, 12:29 PM
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


"Sodom and Egypt", not 'Babylon'.

Go check out the gay pride parades in Tel Aviv! Looks like Sodom to me.

Epoisses
March 28th, 2017, 12:30 PM
No it is not. Jerusalem is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. We we understand this, that is why God turned His back on Israel, they served False Gods, we understand that and understand the Rabbis of today. reject Jesus as the Messiah. That doesn't mean Babylon means Jerusalem. I just showed you what it means, its metaphoric. The Scripture tells you what it means. God sees he Nations that come against Israel as Babylon.

The Anti-Christ doesn't fool Israel, the repent when he two-witnesses show up about a month or two before the Abomination of Desolation (Malachi 4:5-6) and Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah. Why do you think they FLEE JUDEA when the Anti-Christ shows up? They of course heed Jesus' words in Matthew and as Rev. 12 tells us the Woman (Israel) is protected by God for 1260 Days in the Wilderness.

It is not a City. Satan Rules over the Kingdoms of the Earth. Remember the Devil offered all the Kingdoms to Jesus in Luke 4 if he would bow down and worship him, he said "For it is given me, and I do that I will with it" or something very close to that.So Babylon is all nations ruled by Satan. OF THE WORLD, not of God. And of course those Nations attacking Israel and God at the 7th Vial would qualify as such.

There is a Rapture, feel free to stay if you so desire, that is not going to change the facts.

Jesus was not crucified in Sodom or Egypt GED ranger!

steko
March 28th, 2017, 12:35 PM
The great city of Babylon is point blank identified as Jerusalem the place where our Lord was crucified - Rev. 11:8. Jerusalem does not become Babylon until the end when the temple is rebuilt and the antichrist sets up shop there. So Jerusalem does not rule over the kings of the earth today but she is definitely regaining her lost supremacy and at the end she will. When the stupid Dispy's don't get raptured out they will all bow down to her because their false theology has taught them to worship Israel of the flesh.


Go check out the gay pride parades in Tel Aviv! Looks like Sodom to me.

You said, "The great city of Babylon is point blank identified as Jerusalem the place where our Lord was crucified - Rev. 11:8."

I simply quoted the scripture to show that it does not say that.

steko
March 28th, 2017, 12:36 PM
Go check out the gay pride parades in Tel Aviv! Looks like Sodom to me.

So what? Sodom is still not Babylon.

Rondonmonson
March 28th, 2017, 02:17 PM
Jesus was not crucified in Sodom or Egypt GED ranger!

And your point proved what? Sodom and Egypt means what? That Israel/Jerusalem was back-slidden. Well OK, but that still doesn't mean that God is calling Jerusalem, Babylon, in this instance. GED Ranger !

I have written a piece all about Babylon, the Harlot an the Seven Headed Beast. I am not just flying blind here, I have placed much study into this subject.

Sodom was Immoral and Egypt was also. But Babylon was grandiose, God saw it as the head of Gold remember. It stood for the ultimate in ANTI-GOD GOVERNMENT. The Harlot and Babylon are two different entities. The Kings hate the HARLOT in Rev. 17:16 and burn her, but when Babylon is destroyed in Rev. 18 the same Kings Cry and Lament her demise and destruction. TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.

Nowhere in that passage you cite does it say anything about Babylon. You are linking them.

They have gay pride parades in NYC also...............

Epoisses
March 28th, 2017, 02:38 PM
You said, "The great city of Babylon is point blank identified as Jerusalem the place where our Lord was crucified - Rev. 11:8."

I simply quoted the scripture to show that it does not say that.

It is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt and is the place where our Lord was crucified. The place is not spiritual - talk about not wanting to see something. There are two great cities in the book of Revelation, one is the earthly Jerusalem (Rev. 11:8) and the other is the holy Jerusalem (Rev. 21:10).

Epoisses
March 28th, 2017, 02:43 PM
And your point proved what? Sodom and Egypt means what? That Israel/Jerusalem was back-slidden. Well OK, but that still doesn't mean that God is calling Jerusalem, Babylon, in this instance. GED Ranger !

I have written a piece all about Babylon, the Harlot an the Seven Headed Beast. I am not just flying blind here, I have placed much study into this subject.

Sodom was Immoral and Egypt was also. But Babylon was grandiose, God saw it as the head of Gold remember. It stood for the ultimate in ANTI-GOD GOVERNMENT. The Harlot and Babylon are two different entities. The Kings hate the HARLOT in Rev. 17:16 and burn her, but when Babylon is destroyed in Rev. 18 the same Kings Cry and Lament her demise and destruction. TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.

Nowhere in that passage you cite does it say anything about Babylon. You are linking them.

They have gay pride parades in NYC also...............

The two women/great cities in Revelation follow Paul's analogy in Galatians 4 to a tee. Earthly Jerusalem is in bondage with her children while the heavenly Jerusalem is free and the mother of us all.

Rondonmonson
March 28th, 2017, 04:55 PM
The two women/great cities in Revelation follow Paul's analogy in Galatians 4 to a tee. Earthly Jerusalem is in bondage with her children while the heavenly Jerusalem is free and the mother of us all.

The Jerusalem angle assumes of course that Israel accepts the Anti-Christ, but they never do brother.I once said The City in Rev. 17:18 was Rome, within 2 months God was like, you are Wrong man. My Blog below:


Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained.

I will explain what the Lord has shown me recently, I blogged a blog 8 months ago and in the blog I stated that Rev. 17:18 was speaking of Rome,(from my perspective) within 2 months God had Revealed to me who Babylon was, who the Beast is and who the Harlot is. My opinion is my opinion, I never allow it to supersede God's revelation, in other words I do not hold on to the pride of my opinion. If you want to know who the Harlot, Beast and Babylon is read on.

To start with it is not a City, it is not Rome, Babylon proper, Jerusalem, NYC, it is not the RCC, Mecca or America. HINT: The Harlot and Babylon are two different entities. There is also NO MYSTERY BABYLON, I do not understand why we continue to say this, the Angel in 17:7 says this: Rev. 17: 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Since the Angel says I will explain the Mystery of the woman (Harlot) and the beast she rides (Seven Headed Beast) why do we insist that it is still a Mystery and why do we not understand that in Rev. 17:8-18 the Angel explains the Mystery to us? Why do we miss what is in plain site? Mystery (Musterion) in the Greek means Secret by Gods Silence, once God reveals the Secret/Mystery, it is no longer a Mystery/Secret.

The Seven Headed Beast is explained by the Angel first, many people say it sits on 7 hills, when the passage has nothing to do with hills or location, it is speaking of Seven Rulers who arise, we understand this because in the very next verse it speaks about the Seven Kings. So she sits on Seven Mountains which = Seven Rulers just like the Seven Heads = Seven Kingdoms. Then the Angel says Five have fallen, ONE IS, and one is YET TO COME. This is where we have to use our intelligence a wee bit. Who are these Kings? Well we see in Rev. 13 when this Seven Headed Beast is described that the Beasts of Daniel are included, the Lion (Babylon) Bear (Persia) and Leopard (Greece) along with Rome of course as the fierce Beast. So we are searching for the other three heads, who can they possibly be? What is the commonality of the Beasts/Heads that are mentioned? They each Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel, that is what made them a "BEAST", so we need to go through history and find the other three common Beasts/Heads. Well lets see, after a little thought we should get this fairly easily, Egypt and Assyria Conquered/Enslaved Israel, and the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will, according to prophecy, Conquer Israel (Abomination of Desolation). So lets add this up, and see what the Angel has revealed to us.

Five Kings have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece) ONE IS (Rome of course was Ruling Israel when John wrote Revelation) and one is YET TO COME (The Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings). We understand the Beast with Seven Heads now. This is why the USSR, China, the United States and even the British Empire or Ottoman Empire can not be a Beast or one of the Seven Heads, they never Conquered Israel, while Israel {PEOPLE} were in the land. The Brits ruled Palestine as did the Ottoman Empire, but God dispersed Israel all over the World, this was why Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would be as "Dead Men's Bones" but we know those dead men's bones came Alive again in 1948, so after Rome, and up until 1948, there could be no Beast, because there was no Israel in the land. The Seven Headed Beast is revealed.

Now what does the Angel say about the Harlot/Woman? Well firstly it says the Water she sat on is Peoples, Nations, Tongues and Multitudes. So right off the bat we understand she is Worldwide. A key is in Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy her, but why after all these years of being co-mingled together do they burn her and destroy her ? Because she is ALL FALSE RELIGION, and the Anti-Christ right after the Abomination of Desolation will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! The Anti-Christ will come after Israel, who flees to the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 days (Rev. 12), he then comes after Christians who became Christians after the Rapture, to Behead them, and he will destroy Islam, Buddhism and all Religions. He demands worship as the ONLY GOD !! Remember, the Harlot is Judged, this is a Chapter that Judges her. False Religion has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs on its hands.

Ever wonder why the Harlot is HATED by the Kings but when Babylon is destroyed the Kings Cry and Lament her demise? Because they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES !! Babylon is False Government and the Harlot is False Religion. People then say "but what about Rev. 17:18" that verse calls her a city ? Well the Angel was only reminding John what he SAW, and the vision was what ? A woman with four things imprinted on her head, MYSTERY, Babylon the Great, Abominations of the Earth and Mother of Harlots. The Angel just reminded John that she was BABYLON the Mother of FALSE RELIGIONS. Not a City, but a MEMORY which is repulsive to God the Father. Proof of this is in Rev. 16.

There really is no Rev. 17 and 18, Rev. 16 comes right before Rev. 19. Rev. 17 is only the Harlot {False Religion} being destroyed and that happens in Rev. 6 and 7, and Rev. 18 is only Babylon or the Last Beast Head of the Seven Headed Beast coming against Israel, getting the plagues of God rained down on them via the Trumpets and the Vials of God. Rev. 17 and 18 are just an enhanced retelling of things already told, thus in Rev. 16 we are told, IT IS DONE !!

In Rev. 16 the 6th Vial gathers the Nations against Israel (Anti-Christ/10 Kings which is Europe and the Kings of the East) and we know who meets them at Meggido don't we? Jesus our Lord. After he lands on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14) and splits it into (Earthquake). Rev. 16 tells it like this:

Rev. 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (IT IS DONE !! No Rev. 17 or Rev. 18 exists per se.)

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts (Earthquake splits Jerusalem), and the cities of the nations fell: (BABYLON) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So we see here that BABYLON is only a MEMORY, God sees the Nations that come against Israel as BABYLON, and gives them the fierceness of his wrath. Of course Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives and destroys those Nations that come against Israel, that is their demise. God Judges False Religion or the Harlot in Rev 17:16, she is no more after this. This happens when the Anti-Christ places an Image of himself in the Temple and demands all to Worship him, at the MID-WAY POINT or in Rev. 6 and 7.

Babylon is destroyed by Gods plagues, Babylon is the Nations that come against Israel (the World) and God destroys her with His Plagues, which are the Seals/Trumpets and Vials. Babylons commerce is no doubt destroyed, that is what plagues do. Babylon is the habitation of Devils, Satan has been cast to earth and Apollyon and his horde of demons have been released from the pit in Rev. 9. The BOTTOM LINE IS :

The Harlot is FALSE RELIGION


Babylon is FALSE GOVERNMENT that tries to destroy Gods people, come after His authority, and deny His Godhead. It is not a City, it represents all that God sees as EVIL.

Epoisses
March 29th, 2017, 05:38 PM
The Jerusalem angle assumes of course that Israel accepts the Anti-Christ, but they never do brother.I once said The City in Rev. 17:18 was Rome, within 2 months God was like, you are Wrong man. My Blog below:


Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained.

I will explain what the Lord has shown me recently, I blogged a blog 8 months ago and in the blog I stated that Rev. 17:18 was speaking of Rome,(from my perspective) within 2 months God had Revealed to me who Babylon was, who the Beast is and who the Harlot is. My opinion is my opinion, I never allow it to supersede God's revelation, in other words I do not hold on to the pride of my opinion. If you want to know who the Harlot, Beast and Babylon is read on.

To start with it is not a City, it is not Rome, Babylon proper, Jerusalem, NYC, it is not the RCC, Mecca or America. HINT: The Harlot and Babylon are two different entities. There is also NO MYSTERY BABYLON, I do not understand why we continue to say this, the Angel in 17:7 says this: Rev. 17: 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Since the Angel says I will explain the Mystery of the woman (Harlot) and the beast she rides (Seven Headed Beast) why do we insist that it is still a Mystery and why do we not understand that in Rev. 17:8-18 the Angel explains the Mystery to us? Why do we miss what is in plain site? Mystery (Musterion) in the Greek means Secret by Gods Silence, once God reveals the Secret/Mystery, it is no longer a Mystery/Secret.

The Seven Headed Beast is explained by the Angel first, many people say it sits on 7 hills, when the passage has nothing to do with hills or location, it is speaking of Seven Rulers who arise, we understand this because in the very next verse it speaks about the Seven Kings. So she sits on Seven Mountains which = Seven Rulers just like the Seven Heads = Seven Kingdoms. Then the Angel says Five have fallen, ONE IS, and one is YET TO COME. This is where we have to use our intelligence a wee bit. Who are these Kings? Well we see in Rev. 13 when this Seven Headed Beast is described that the Beasts of Daniel are included, the Lion (Babylon) Bear (Persia) and Leopard (Greece) along with Rome of course as the fierce Beast. So we are searching for the other three heads, who can they possibly be? What is the commonality of the Beasts/Heads that are mentioned? They each Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel, that is what made them a "BEAST", so we need to go through history and find the other three common Beasts/Heads. Well lets see, after a little thought we should get this fairly easily, Egypt and Assyria Conquered/Enslaved Israel, and the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will, according to prophecy, Conquer Israel (Abomination of Desolation). So lets add this up, and see what the Angel has revealed to us.

Five Kings have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece) ONE IS (Rome of course was Ruling Israel when John wrote Revelation) and one is YET TO COME (The Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings). We understand the Beast with Seven Heads now. This is why the USSR, China, the United States and even the British Empire or Ottoman Empire can not be a Beast or one of the Seven Heads, they never Conquered Israel, while Israel {PEOPLE} were in the land. The Brits ruled Palestine as did the Ottoman Empire, but God dispersed Israel all over the World, this was why Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would be as "Dead Men's Bones" but we know those dead men's bones came Alive again in 1948, so after Rome, and up until 1948, there could be no Beast, because there was no Israel in the land. The Seven Headed Beast is revealed.

Now what does the Angel say about the Harlot/Woman? Well firstly it says the Water she sat on is Peoples, Nations, Tongues and Multitudes. So right off the bat we understand she is Worldwide. A key is in Rev. 17:16 the Kings in league with the Beast destroy her, but why after all these years of being co-mingled together do they burn her and destroy her ? Because she is ALL FALSE RELIGION, and the Anti-Christ right after the Abomination of Desolation will demand to be Worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! The Anti-Christ will come after Israel, who flees to the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 days (Rev. 12), he then comes after Christians who became Christians after the Rapture, to Behead them, and he will destroy Islam, Buddhism and all Religions. He demands worship as the ONLY GOD !! Remember, the Harlot is Judged, this is a Chapter that Judges her. False Religion has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs on its hands.

Ever wonder why the Harlot is HATED by the Kings but when Babylon is destroyed the Kings Cry and Lament her demise? Because they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES !! Babylon is False Government and the Harlot is False Religion. People then say "but what about Rev. 17:18" that verse calls her a city ? Well the Angel was only reminding John what he SAW, and the vision was what ? A woman with four things imprinted on her head, MYSTERY, Babylon the Great, Abominations of the Earth and Mother of Harlots. The Angel just reminded John that she was BABYLON the Mother of FALSE RELIGIONS. Not a City, but a MEMORY which is repulsive to God the Father. Proof of this is in Rev. 16.

There really is no Rev. 17 and 18, Rev. 16 comes right before Rev. 19. Rev. 17 is only the Harlot {False Religion} being destroyed and that happens in Rev. 6 and 7, and Rev. 18 is only Babylon or the Last Beast Head of the Seven Headed Beast coming against Israel, getting the plagues of God rained down on them via the Trumpets and the Vials of God. Rev. 17 and 18 are just an enhanced retelling of things already told, thus in Rev. 16 we are told, IT IS DONE !!

In Rev. 16 the 6th Vial gathers the Nations against Israel (Anti-Christ/10 Kings which is Europe and the Kings of the East) and we know who meets them at Meggido don't we? Jesus our Lord. After he lands on the Mt. of Olives (Zechariah 14) and splits it into (Earthquake). Rev. 16 tells it like this:

Rev. 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (IT IS DONE !! No Rev. 17 or Rev. 18 exists per se.)

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts (Earthquake splits Jerusalem), and the cities of the nations fell: (BABYLON) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So we see here that BABYLON is only a MEMORY, God sees the Nations that come against Israel as BABYLON, and gives them the fierceness of his wrath. Of course Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives and destroys those Nations that come against Israel, that is their demise. God Judges False Religion or the Harlot in Rev 17:16, she is no more after this. This happens when the Anti-Christ places an Image of himself in the Temple and demands all to Worship him, at the MID-WAY POINT or in Rev. 6 and 7.

Babylon is destroyed by Gods plagues, Babylon is the Nations that come against Israel (the World) and God destroys her with His Plagues, which are the Seals/Trumpets and Vials. Babylons commerce is no doubt destroyed, that is what plagues do. Babylon is the habitation of Devils, Satan has been cast to earth and Apollyon and his horde of demons have been released from the pit in Rev. 9. The BOTTOM LINE IS :

The Harlot is FALSE RELIGION


Babylon is FALSE GOVERNMENT that tries to destroy Gods people, come after His authority, and deny His Godhead. It is not a City, it represents all that God sees as EVIL.

So the antichrist sits in a rebuilt temple and declares himself to be god and Israel has no involvement in the whole ordeal?? How naïve can Dispy's be!!!

Rondonmonson
March 29th, 2017, 06:20 PM
So the antichrist sits in a rebuilt temple and declares himself to be god and Israel has no involvement in the whole ordeal?? How naïve can Dispy's be!!!

Actually he doesn't SIT IN THE TEMPLE....If you read Daniel 9:27 properly, there is an Image of him placed on a Wing or Corner of the Temple. In Rev. 13 we see the False Prophet has the people to make an Image of the Beast and Worship it. The BEAST Conquers Jerusalem/Israel, they FLEE to the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 Days. No one worships the Anti-Christ, as per Israel goes, a FEW MIGHT, but Israel as a country Doesn't. How can Gd protect them in the Wilderness if the are worshiping the Anti-Christ? It a lie of the Devil....All Israel is Saved, not every Jew, but Israel as a collective Nation is Saved.

As per the Daniel 9:27 Meaning...........

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


1.) Confirm = gabar 1396 (Greek Word) meaning to be strong, to prevail or to act insolently.
2.) Oblation = minchah 4503 (Greek) A tribute or an offering
3.) Overspreading = kanaph 3671 (Greek) An edge, a Wing or Quarter (of a building) a pinnacle.
4.) Abominations = shiqquwts 8251 (Greek) Meaning, Disgusting, Filthy, Idolatrous or AN IDOL !!
5.) Desolate = shamem 8074 (Greek) Meaning to Stun, Grown Numb, to Stupefy, or to Devastate !!

So looking at these original Hebrew word Translations, what is this verse (Daniel 9:27) really telling us? Does it match up with other end time events? Lets delve into it. Basically this is what I get from verse 27

Daniel 9:27 The Anti-Christ will FORCE and Agreement (Covenant means agreement) on Israel and others, probably the Muslims. He does so Insolently, his agenda Prevails, he forces this deal. Then after 3 1/2 years he stops allowing the Oblation or Tribute, (I think to Jesus, who Israel accepts as their Messiah before the Day of the Lord as it says in Malachi 4:5-6) by Israel unto their God, the False Prophet places an IDOL in a Wing or a pinnacle of the TEMPLE and demands all people to worship this IDOL or else they must die. THIS STUNS/SHOCKS OR DEVASTATES Israel, then they heed Jesus' words, they Flee unto the Wilderness where they are protected by God for 1260 Days, because Elijah turned them back to the Messiah (Zechariah 12:10) before the Day of the Lord.

Daniel 9:27 shorter version........The Anti-Christ will force a Peace Deal on Israel, in the Middle of this deal he will renege on is deal, and order the False Prophet to place an Image of the Beast (IDOL) in the Temple, and demand all mankind to worship this Image. This Stuns Israel, devastates them.

Do further scriptures agree with this account ?

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

It matches up perfectly.

Epoisses
March 29th, 2017, 07:26 PM
Actually he doesn't SIT IN THE TEMPLE....If you read Daniel 9:27 properly, there is an Image of him placed on a Wing or Corner of the Temple. In Rev. 13 we see the False Prophet has the people to make an Image of the Beast and Worship it. The BEAST Conquers Jerusalem/Israel, they FLEE to the Wilderness where God protects them for 1260 Days. No one worships the Anti-Christ, as per Israel goes, a FEW MIGHT, but Israel as a country Doesn't. How can Gd protect them in the Wilderness if the are worshiping the Anti-Christ? It a lie of the Devil....All Israel is Saved, not every Jew, but Israel as a collective Nation is Saved.

As per the Daniel 9:27 Meaning...........

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


1.) Confirm = gabar 1396 (Greek Word) meaning to be strong, to prevail or to act insolently.
2.) Oblation = minchah 4503 (Greek) A tribute or an offering
3.) Overspreading = kanaph 3671 (Greek) An edge, a Wing or Quarter (of a building) a pinnacle.
4.) Abominations = shiqquwts 8251 (Greek) Meaning, Disgusting, Filthy, Idolatrous or AN IDOL !!
5.) Desolate = shamem 8074 (Greek) Meaning to Stun, Grown Numb, to Stupefy, or to Devastate !!

So looking at these original Hebrew word Translations, what is this verse (Daniel 9:27) really telling us? Does it match up with other end time events? Lets delve into it. Basically this is what I get from verse 27

Daniel 9:27 The Anti-Christ will FORCE and Agreement (Covenant means agreement) on Israel and others, probably the Muslims. He does so Insolently, his agenda Prevails, he forces this deal. Then after 3 1/2 years he stops allowing the Oblation or Tribute, (I think to Jesus, who Israel accepts as their Messiah before the Day of the Lord as it says in Malachi 4:5-6) by Israel unto their God, the False Prophet places an IDOL in a Wing or a pinnacle of the TEMPLE and demands all people to worship this IDOL or else they must die. THIS STUNS/SHOCKS OR DEVASTATES Israel, then they heed Jesus' words, they Flee unto the Wilderness where they are protected by God for 1260 Days, because Elijah turned them back to the Messiah (Zechariah 12:10) before the Day of the Lord.

Daniel 9:27 shorter version........The Anti-Christ will force a Peace Deal on Israel, in the Middle of this deal he will renege on is deal, and order the False Prophet to place an Image of the Beast (IDOL) in the Temple, and demand all mankind to worship this Image. This Stuns Israel, devastates them.

Do further scriptures agree with this account ?

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

It matches up perfectly.

Daniel 9 is a prophecy for the restoration of the tribulation temple, moron! You're so dumb trying to marry an historical understanding with a futurist one. The tribulation temple and Jerusalem will be restored in less than 70 weeks or roughly one year and a half at the command of the antichrist. The book of Daniel is sealed until the time of the end which simply means that it pertains to the last days.

Rondonmonson
March 29th, 2017, 11:10 PM
Daniel 9 is a prophecy for the restoration of the tribulation temple, moron! You're so dumb trying to marry an historical understanding with a futurist one. The tribulation temple and Jerusalem will be restored in less than 70 weeks or roughly one year and a half at the command of the antichrist. The book of Daniel is sealed until the time of the end which simply means that it pertains to the last days.

I notice the only ones who calls names are the people who usually are clueless. My calling is Prophecy and I have been a preacher for 30 years but because you don't understand Prophecy I am a MORON...

I am speaking of the TRIBULATION TEMPLE !! Why do you think I linked it with Revelation chapter 13? We are in the End Times Today, God is revealing all things NOW. I have blogs about all these events. The 70th Week is very near, it will start at the Rapture !!

Daniel's 70 Weeks Decree against Israel


In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression
2. Make and end of sins
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness
5. To seal up vision and prophecy
6. Anoint the most Holy

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then "sins will end".

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. By the time Daniels prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

Epoisses
March 30th, 2017, 03:47 PM
I notice the only ones who calls names are the people who usually are clueless. My calling is Prophecy and I have been a preacher for 30 years but because you don't understand Prophecy I am a MORON...

I am speaking of the TRIBULATION TEMPLE !! Why do you think I linked it with Revelation chapter 13? We are in the End Times Today, God is revealing all things NOW. I have blogs about all these events. The 70th Week is very near, it will start at the Rapture !!

Daniel's 70 Weeks Decree against Israel


In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression
2. Make and end of sins
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness
5. To seal up vision and prophecy
6. Anoint the most Holy

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then "sins will end".

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. By the time Daniels prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

Messiah the prince is the worst translation in all of scripture. The Hebrew word for Messiah is translated as anointed in every other place in scripture so the anointed prince or anointed leader is the correct reading. Now this is not meant in any way to imply that Jesus is not the Messiah because he is but the anointed prince is an end-time prince who will show up in Jerusalem at the very end. This prince is called the prince of the covenant in Dan. 11. It should be obvious that this prince is the leader of the two witnesses who are both killed and lie in the streets for 3 and a half days. The 70 week prophecy and the two witnesses prophecy both have something happening in the middle of the final week and yet no one seems to be able to put 2 and 2 together. Also the two witnesses are called anointed ones in Zechariah! Slam dunk...the anointed prince is the 3rd Elijah figure or leader of the two witnesses who show up in the final week to confront the antichrist and he puts them to death.

chrysostom
May 5th, 2017, 05:57 AM
it has many waters, it is a mystery, it has seven hills, it is fallen, it has trade, it can be found no more at all – no other city has all these characteristics – it is babylon the great

constantinople

SaulToPaul
May 5th, 2017, 06:50 AM
it has many waters, it is a mystery, it has seven hills, it is fallen, it has trade, it can be found no more at all – no other city has all these characteristics – it is babylon the great

constantinople

:chuckle:

Rondonmonson
May 5th, 2017, 09:17 PM
Messiah the prince is the worst translation in all of scripture. The Hebrew word for Messiah is translated as anointed in every other place in scripture so the anointed prince or anointed leader is the correct reading. Now this is not meant in any way to imply that Jesus is not the Messiah because he is but the anointed prince is an end-time prince who will show up in Jerusalem at the very end. This prince is called the prince of the covenant in Dan. 11. It should be obvious that this prince is the leader of the two witnesses who are both killed and lie in the streets for 3 and a half days. The 70 week prophecy and the two witnesses prophecy both have something happening in the middle of the final week and yet no one seems to be able to put 2 and 2 together. Also the two witnesses are called anointed ones in Zechariah! Slam dunk...the anointed prince is the 3rd Elijah figure or leader of the two witnesses who show up in the final week to confront the antichrist and he puts them to death.

I understand full well that Masiac via the Hebrew comes from Anointed just like Christ does. The Anointed one or Messiah is CUT OFF after 69 Weeks. Then the people (ROMANS)of the prince to come (2000 years later)is speaking about THE ANTI-CHRIST !! HE...........Is the one that makes a Peace Deal (2000 years later, after the Messiah dies.

The Messiah has nothing to do with the word prince mentioned in the passage.

Rondonmonson
May 5th, 2017, 09:19 PM
it has many waters, it is a mystery, it has seven hills, it is fallen, it has trade, it can be found no more at all – no other city has all these characteristics – it is babylon the great

constantinople

Its NOT A MYSTERY...........Rev. 17:7 says come let me show you the MYSTERY of the WOMAN and the BEAST she rides on...........so how is it a MYSTERY if the Angel Revealed it to us in Rev. chapter 17?

I explained it perfectly at the top.........LOOK UP. You are lost on this message.

chrysostom
June 2nd, 2017, 05:32 AM
constantinople can be found no more at all

chrysostom
July 10th, 2017, 04:04 AM
a great city that is fallen, is fallen, and can be found no more at all

Epoisses
July 10th, 2017, 07:30 AM
Babylon is in the news every day telling the world and the good ole' USA what to do.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Matt. 23:37,38

chrysostom
August 11th, 2017, 02:37 AM
Babylon is in the news every day

it can be found no more at all

chrysostom
August 11th, 2017, 02:42 AM
babylon the great

has the following characteristics:

it has many waters (rev 17:1) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A1&version=KJV)
it is a mystery (rev 17:5) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)
it has seven hills (rev 17:9) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A9&version=KJV)
it has fallen, fallen (rev 18:2) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A2&version=KJV)
it was famous for trade (rev 18:11) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A11&version=KJV)
it can be found no more (rev 18:21) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+18%3A21&version=KJV)

there is only one city that satisfies all the criteria

constantinople (https://www.google.com/search?q=constantinople&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)

back to
the apocalypse (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102616)

a mystery

Epoisses
August 11th, 2017, 06:13 AM
it can be found no more at all

When the new Jerusalem descends from heaven and replaces the old Jerusalem forever it will be found no more at all. More evidence for replacement theology, lol.

SaulToPaul
August 11th, 2017, 06:14 AM
a mystery

:chuckle:

It falls just before the LORD's return. Details matter.

Epoisses
August 11th, 2017, 06:16 AM
a mystery

It's not a mystery because Paul used the exact analogy in Galatians 4, just replace Hagar with Babylon and it all makes sense. Another replacement quip, lol.

chrysostom
August 11th, 2017, 07:05 AM
:chuckle:

It falls just before the LORD's return. Details matter.

have you heard of recapitulation?

SaulToPaul
August 11th, 2017, 08:47 AM
have you heard of recapitulation?

The falling of Babylon just before the LORD's return is throughout ALL OF SCRIPTURE.
No harebrained scheme can change that.

chrysostom
August 11th, 2017, 09:32 AM
The falling of Babylon just before the LORD's return is throughout ALL OF SCRIPTURE.

just give me one example besides chapter 19 following 18

SaulToPaul
August 11th, 2017, 10:03 AM
just give me one example besides chapter 19 following 18

Search the scriptures, and believe what you read. Joel, Ezekiel, Isaiah.
Try it. I dare you.

chrysostom
August 11th, 2017, 10:08 AM
Search the scriptures, and believe what you read. Joel, Ezekiel, Isaiah.
Try it. I dare you.

so you can't give me one example?

SaulToPaul
August 11th, 2017, 10:09 AM
so you can't give me one example?

Nope. Time for you to study the Bible for yourself, and put down the silly schemes you read, the wikipedia, and "history" books.

chrysostom
August 11th, 2017, 10:13 AM
Search the scriptures, and believe what you read. Joel, Ezekiel, Isaiah.
Try it. I dare you.

here is just one more example where stp uses the ot to trump the nt
-
I thought it was the other way around

SaulToPaul
August 11th, 2017, 10:15 AM
here is just one more example where stp uses the ot to trump the nt
-
I thought it was the other way around

:chuckle:

It's all God's word. Neither trumps the other.
Study it, believe it.

Rondonmonson
August 11th, 2017, 05:10 PM
The falling of Babylon just before the LORD's return is throughout ALL OF SCRIPTURE.
No harebrained scheme can change that.

Rev. 14, Rev. 16 and Rev. 18 are all three the same events. Rev. 14: The Harvest BABYLON FALLS. Rev. 16 is Armageddon, when the Nations FALL God sees them as BABYLON FALLING. Rev. 18, the Whole Chapter is about BABYLON FALLING because Babylon is World Governance (The World) and the Plagues rain down on the WHOLE WORLD not ONE CITY !!

Rev. 19 is the Church in Heaven, but it ends with Babylon Falling also. The Marriage Supper is at Armageddon, that is why in Matthew 24:28 Jesus said the Eagles will be where the CARCASS is at. The Church will be at the Marriage Supper. So all four Chapters cover the exact SAME EVENT.

chrysostom
September 5th, 2017, 03:07 AM
that great city - babylon the great - can be found no more at all -
constantinople - the capital of a christian empire that would last one thousand years -
it came out of the first beast
-and-
was ended by the second beast
-
it all fits

Epoisses
September 5th, 2017, 06:25 PM
Babylon is Jerusalem in the end-time. It has no application whatsoever until we get to the end. Even Jerusalem today would not fit the bill because it will be reconstructed with a rebuilt temple and the Dome of the Rock will go away.

RebeccaJoy
December 3rd, 2017, 09:40 PM
The city called Mystery Babylon (Rev 17:18) is not Jerusalem. It is Constaninople.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

This city was arrayed in purple, scarlet, and gold. Purple is the color associated with the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire).

Tyrian purple, (Phoenician purple, royal purple, imperial purple) was a dye prized by Romans, who used it to colour ceremonial robes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_purple

Porphyrogenitus or “Born in the purple”. “was an honorific title in the Byzantine Empire given to a son, or daughter born after the father had become emperor.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_in_the_purple