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chrysostom
July 10th, 2014, 03:20 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
armageddon (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4020185#post4020185)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4428633#post4428633)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)
timeline of the apocalypse (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105824)

the jerome biblical commentary (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4344495#post4344495)

the futurists (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105258)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the abomination of desolation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4346339#post4346339)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)

coming soon


now under construction

books used in my research (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4590051#post4590051)

chrysostom
July 10th, 2014, 03:21 AM
so what is this?

my new project

another revelation thread?

they deleted the other ones

maybe they are not interested

I did suspect that

so why do it again?

it's my job

chrysostom
July 10th, 2014, 09:27 AM
I can't figure out what you are doing here

each topic in the opening post will be a thread

why are you doing that?

when knight gets around to deleting my threads he may miss a few

so it is a defensive tactic

it is more than that

it may also get very confusing

I think it is worth a try

chrysostom
July 10th, 2014, 01:31 PM
so why is there so little interest in this

they are mad

and?

they put everything in the future

isn't that better that forcing historical events to fit the prophecies?

not if you ignore history which can help us understand

how?

history can help us interpret the prophecies

and the future can't?

it can be almost anything you want it to be

is that why there are so many different interpretations?

of course

Spitfire
July 10th, 2014, 01:33 PM
coming soonAlready here.

chrysostom
July 10th, 2014, 01:48 PM
Already here.

preterist?

Spitfire
July 10th, 2014, 01:52 PM
preterist?No.

chrysostom
July 11th, 2014, 03:30 AM
so how many threads have you done on the apocalypse?

not sure, maybe four or more

and they have all been deleted?

can't find them

don't you have a blog?

yes but many of the links don't work now

you really like links

amr showed me how to do it

I wonder if he is losing his

Thunder's Muse
July 11th, 2014, 03:57 AM
Awesome Chrys! I'll get reading :)


Posted from the TOL App cause that's how I roll.

Thunder's Muse
July 11th, 2014, 06:28 AM
Why are the visions considered to be from God?


Posted from the TOL App cause that's how I roll.

chrysostom
July 11th, 2014, 06:37 AM
Why are the visions considered to be from God?


Posted from the TOL App cause that's how I roll.

the first line

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him

Thunder's Muse
July 11th, 2014, 06:39 AM
the first line



The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him



Who wrote that part?


Posted from the TOL App cause that's how I roll.

chrysostom
July 11th, 2014, 06:41 AM
Who wrote that part?


Posted from the TOL App cause that's how I roll.

john
not sure which one
there are three johns
and
at least three different versions of the apocalypse

Thunder's Muse
July 11th, 2014, 06:42 AM
john

not sure which one

there are three johns

and

at least three different versions of the apocalypse



Ah, ok.

Maybe because all 3 had the same vision...kind of like confirmation it's from God?


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HisServant
July 11th, 2014, 07:52 AM
According to Jesus and John, it already happened... unless you really pervert a couple of words to your liking.

Thunder's Muse
July 11th, 2014, 07:53 AM
According to Jesus and John, it already happened... unless you really pervert a couple of words to your liking.



Revelation already happened?


Posted from the TOL App cause that's how I roll.

chrysostom
July 11th, 2014, 08:29 AM
According to Jesus and John, it already happened... unless you really pervert a couple of words to your liking.

what already happened?

give us some examples

HisServant
July 11th, 2014, 09:05 AM
what already happened?

give us some examples


Why should I.. they are opened to interpretation.

The fact is that John said these things are 'soon' to happen. I highly doubt that soon in his mind was 2000+ years.

Then there is the fact that Jesus said that some of his audience would still be alive when returned to fulfill all prophesy.

So, either you believe them or you do not. I have confidence that I can take those two people at their word... why cant you?

chrysostom
July 11th, 2014, 09:09 AM
Why should I.. they are opened to interpretation.

The fact is that John said these things are 'soon' to happen. I highly doubt that soon in his mind was 2000+ years.

Then there is the fact that Jesus said that some of his audience would still be alive when returned to fulfill all prophesy.

So, either you believe them or you do not. I have confidence that I can take those two people at their word... why cant you?

what about the thousand years?

that can't happen soon

chrysostom
July 12th, 2014, 04:51 AM
so why study the apocalypse?

because it is there

there are so many different interpretations

many are moved by it for different reasons

what moved you?

farrakhan referred to the pope as a whore on tv

did he reference the apocalypse?

he sure did

how did that make you feel?

it made me want to read it again to see why

and the rest is history?

a whole lot of history

Hearmyvoice
July 12th, 2014, 05:58 AM
Why should I.. they are opened to interpretation.

The fact is that John said these things are 'soon' to happen. I highly doubt that soon in his mind was 2000+ years.

Then there is the fact that Jesus said that some of his audience would still be alive when returned to fulfill all prophesy.

So, either you believe them or you do not. I have confidence that I can take those two people at their word... why cant you?


Jesus didn't say "all prophecy" would be fulfilled when some of those He spoke to would see Him in His kingdom. When did Jesus come in His kingdom? What, or who, is His kingdom in which he dwells?


Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom.


2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


Consider too that the words, "must shortly come to pass" doesn't mean will happen immediately but rather will happen quickly when it begins and that of the prophecies given they would happen over time or, as He said, "hereafter."


Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John:

1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

chrysostom
July 12th, 2014, 01:55 PM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns


coming soon


now under construction

I will consider adding more topics to the opening post
if
you should suggest one

RCLady
July 12th, 2014, 04:41 PM
Babylon the Great is Rome and the Whore of Babylon is the Vatican II sect. That's the truth. http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/apocalypse.php

chrysostom
July 13th, 2014, 02:20 AM
Babylon the Great is Rome and the Whore of Babylon is the Vatican II sect. That's the truth. http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/apocalypse.php

rome satisfies only one of the criteria

it is a mystery
it has seven hills
it has many waters
it was famous for trade
it has fallen, fallen
it can be found no more

chrysostom
July 13th, 2014, 10:03 AM
so how is this working out for you?

I like it so far

why?

some are just interested in certain topics of the apocalypse

so you get more responses?

I think so and it is a good way to locate them

chrysostom
July 14th, 2014, 04:12 AM
so you are big fan of history

we can't ignore it

some do a pretty good job of it

everyone has an agenda

what is yours?

to get answers

so you ask questions

it is the only way to learn

they don't like your questions

that is their problem

chrysostom
July 15th, 2014, 03:52 AM
so how long have you been working on this?

17 years

how long have you been on tol?

9 years

so you came here to share all this with us?

yes

you must have been disappointed

yes

are you still disappointed?

I am having a good time

nice to hear that

chrysostom
July 16th, 2014, 03:40 AM
so are you almost done with this?

I'll never be done with this

even though very few are interested in it

as long as I am interested in it

what good will come of it?

a better understanding of scripture

that's pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

what is the official catholic position on the apocalypse?

there really isn't one but most take the spiritual view of it

that being?

non literal and non historical

chrysostom
July 23rd, 2014, 11:32 AM
so what are you doing?

just taking a break

that's not like you

well I was disrupted

was it necessary?

I don't think so

so now you have more time on your hands

and that is a good thing

how are you using it?

getting back to research

back to the books?

finding a lot of stuff on the internet

are you going to share it with us?

only if I can make some sense of it

False Prophet
July 23rd, 2014, 11:54 AM
Why are the visions considered to be from God?
The Bible is supposed to come from God, so one would naturally assume that the visions come from God.
1After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice that I heard, a voice as of a trumpet speaking with me, one saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter. Rev 4
Key words here are: must come to pass hereafter; meaning future tense. John stands before the throne of God, so who else could be speaking to him but God?
20Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne. Rev 3
Revelation opens up with letters to churches. Presumably Revelation was a letter to these churches.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; verse 1
This is the opening of the book. It was a revelation of Jesus Christ that came from God. These things must shortly come to pass. It was shown to Christ's servant John, so many assume that this is the beloved apostle John who wrote the Book of Revelation.

False Prophet
July 24th, 2014, 02:03 PM
John sent the letter to the seven churches of Asia Minor: Ephesus, Smyrna, well let me paste it since I found it:
What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. Rev 1:11
John said behold him who comes with the clouds, and this was to shortly come to pass; however two thousand years have passed, and it is yet to come to pass.
1.Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had forsaken its first love (2:4).
2.Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).
3.Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - the church that needed to repent (2:16).
4.Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church that had a false prophetess (2:20).
5.Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that had fallen asleep (3:2).
6.Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that had endured patiently (3:10).
7.Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church that was lukewarm and insipid (to God) (3:16).

chrysostom
July 25th, 2014, 05:55 AM
there seems to be more interest in the apocalypse

I think it is a sign

what does it say?

the end is near

it has been that way for a long time

many are just not ready

what can you do?

ignore the past

does that really help?

it works for most here

what is this thread all about?

look at the opening post

can you give us a link?

to make it easier for you?

that is what amr would do

okay here it is

the apocalypse (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102616)

False Prophet
July 25th, 2014, 08:00 AM
Who were the Nicolaitans?
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the works of the Nicolaitans, Rev 2:6
So hast thou also some that hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans in like manner.
Rev 2:15One thing about the last book: these things were supposed to take place soon, but it has been two thousand years. Every succeeding generation has been able to paste their world events to this book, and claim that these things are about to come to pass.

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 06:17 AM
Who were the Nicolaitans?
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the works of the Nicolaitans, Rev 2:6
So hast thou also some that hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans in like manner.
Rev 2:15One thing about the last book: these things were supposed to take place soon, but it has been two thousand years. Every succeeding generation has been able to paste their world events to this book, and claim that these things are about to come to pass.

also
who is antipas?
no one seems to know anything about him

False Prophet
July 26th, 2014, 08:51 AM
Many Christian traditions believe Saint Antipas to be the Antipas referred to in the Book of Revelation (Revelation 2:13) as the "faithful martyr" of Pergamon, "where Satan dwells". According to Christian tradition, John the Apostle ordained Antipas as bishop of Pergamon during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian. The traditional account goes on to say Antipas was martyred in ca. 92 AD by burning in a brazen bull-shaped altar used for casting out demons worshiped by the local population.

There is a tradition of oil ("manna of the saints") being secreted from the relics of Saint Antipas.[3] On the calendars of Eastern Christianity, the feast day of Antipas is April 11.

False Prophet
July 26th, 2014, 08:56 AM
Nicholas is mentioned in Acts as going forth from the apostles, but it is not clear whether he started the sect of the Nicolaitans or what their doctrine was.
And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolaus a proselyte of Antioch; 6whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands upon them. 7And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem exceedingly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:5

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 11:13 AM
do you have an overall view of the apocalypse?

that is what I am trying to present here

can you summarize it?

it is the history of man

can it help us?

only if you want to know

is it necessary?

only if you are lost

do you mean confused?

it may be the same thing

Nang
July 26th, 2014, 11:23 AM
Ah, ok.

Maybe because all 3 had the same vision...kind of like confirmation it's from God?


Posted from the TOL App cause that's how I roll.

There is only one Apostle John, and he wrote the Gospel of John, the little epistles (I, II, III) of John, and Revelation.

All were inspired by God the Holy Spirit, using John as His messenger.

Nang
July 26th, 2014, 11:26 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)


coming soon


now under construction



Are you open and interested in the a-millennial teachings, or would that just confuse things more?

IOW's, are you teaching your particular RCC view, or is this thread meant to dig out all views?

I don't want to mess up your efforts . . . :)

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 11:26 AM
There is only one Apostle John, and he wrote the Gospel of John, the little epistles (I, II, III) of John, and Revelation.

All were inspired by God the Holy Spirit, using John as His messenger.

so why doesn't he mention the antichrist?
why does he use his name four times?
why does he not use the name of Jesus in so many chapters?

Nang
July 26th, 2014, 11:32 AM
so why doesn't he mention the antichrist?


Revelation Chapter 13



why does he use his name four times?

Because he wrote many epistles, and was directly given the revelations of Christ while on the isle of Patmos.




why does he not use the name of Jesus in so many chapters?

The Apostle John emphasized The Son of God and His deity more than he taught Christ's humanity. (e.g. John 1:1-18)) But he certainly did not deny the humanity and history of the Son of Man, Jesus Christ.

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 11:41 AM
Revelation Chapter 13




Because he wrote many epistles, and was directly given the revelations of Christ while on the isle of Patmos.





The Apostle John emphasized The Son of God and His deity more than he taught Christ's humanity. (e.g. John 1:1-18)) But he certainly did not deny the humanity and history of the Son of Man, Jesus Christ.

he doesn't use the term antichrist in chapter 13
he doesn't use his name in the gospel or the epistles
the original writer of the apocalypse did not know the name Jesus
but
he did know the lamb of God
now
who could that be?

Nang
July 26th, 2014, 11:47 AM
he doesn't use the term antichrist in chapter 13
he doesn't use his name in the gospel or the epistles
the original writer of the apocalypse did not know the name Jesus
but
he did know the lamb of God
now
who could that be?

The one and only Apostle John.

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 11:52 AM
The one and only Apostle John.

the apostle john knew the baptist knew the lamb of God

Nang
July 26th, 2014, 11:59 AM
the apostle john knew the baptist knew the lamb of God

John the Baptist did not produce any scripture.

Both John the Baptist and the Apostle John knew Jesus Christ was the Lamb of God; the Savior who would bear the sins of His people.

I think you are unnecessarily caught in the weeds on this, and it will distract greatly from finding the treasures of truth in the Book of Revelation.

chrysostom
July 26th, 2014, 12:03 PM
John the Baptist did not produce any scripture.


you do not know that

chrysostom
July 27th, 2014, 10:55 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)


coming soon


now under construction

still under construction

OCTOBER23
July 27th, 2014, 11:03 AM
OTTOMAN EMPIRE RETURNS - was 7th now the 8th Caliphate

Their Fate is sealed for Armageddon.

They will take over Jerusalem and Cut off the heads thereof.

chrysostom
July 27th, 2014, 03:06 PM
OTTOMAN EMPIRE RETURNS - was 7th now the 8th Caliphate

Their Fate is sealed for Armageddon.

They will take over Jerusalem and Cut off the heads thereof.

what do you think ended the ottoman empire?
if
it wasn't armageddon

chrysostom
July 28th, 2014, 03:51 AM
so how is the research coming?

it is getting easier

how is that?

a lot of the stuff in now online

that must make searching easier

it sure does

where do you find this stuff?

new advent (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/) is a great source

thanks for the link

your welcome

chrysostom
July 28th, 2014, 04:52 AM
so what did you use before you discovered new advent (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/)?

books

books?

you can still use them

do you have a list?

yes and that is one link they didn't delete

so give us the link before they do

books used in my research (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3312526#post3312526)

do you have a favorite?

yes, it is
Revelation (Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture) (http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Ancient-Christian-Commentary-Scripture/dp/0830814973)

what is so great about this one?

it shows what everyone said about the apocalypse

that's cool

can't do that online yet

chrysostom
July 29th, 2014, 12:41 PM
so what are you doing?

trying not to be disruptive

is that necessary?

judging that is not my job

what is your job?

the apocalypse

so why not put it all in one thread?

they will delete it

what about a blog?

I did that and they deleted my links

I wonder if amr has that problem

I think they like him

intojoy
July 29th, 2014, 12:48 PM
Five are fallen, one is and one is to come.

Fourth Gentile power/beast: Rome or better title - the empire of imperialism.

5 fallen:
Tarquin Kings
Counselors
Triumvirate
Plebians
Republic

These five forms of government had been Rome's prior governments to the form of Imperialism which John said "one is" and the one to come will be the final form of the fourth gentile power/beast which will be its final stage the antichrist stage.

chrysostom
July 29th, 2014, 03:14 PM
Five are fallen, one is and one is to come.

Fourth Gentile power/beast: Rome or better title - the empire of imperialism.

5 fallen:
Tarquin Kings
Counselors
Triumvirate
Plebians
Republic

These five forms of government had been Rome's prior governments to the form of Imperialism which John said "one is" and the one to come will be the final form of the fourth gentile power/beast which will be its final stage the antichrist stage.

I don't understand what you are doing here

I have separate threads for

the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
and
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)

which you seem to be mixing

intojoy
July 29th, 2014, 03:15 PM
I'll leave it alone.
Keep up the faith

resurrected
July 29th, 2014, 03:16 PM
so each beast has one and three quarters heads? :freak:

chrysostom
July 31st, 2014, 03:55 AM
I'll leave it alone.
Keep up the faith

you must admit
if
the pieces fit

MichaelCadry
July 31st, 2014, 04:04 AM
Dear Chrystostom,

Wow are you spreading lies. God is not going to like this. You are adding to the Scriptures and so the plagues shall happen to you also in the near future. Who gives you such interpretation of these things. It is not God. If I were you, I'd try some other subject and get all of these lies off the TOL site. It's up to you. You're the one who has to face the music. I don't care anymore. I'm tired of trying to help everyone out. I spoke to you about this thread in it's infancy and told you then you were wrong. Try a subject you know about and discuss it on TOL. Not spreading lies in newbies minds. In the end, you'll be labeled a false prophet.

Michael

chrysostom
July 31st, 2014, 04:14 AM
Who gives you such interpretation of these things.

God does not talk to me directly
so
I have to do it the hard way

research history
and
listen to people like you

chrysostom
August 1st, 2014, 06:30 AM
so how is this working for you?

I like it

the different threads attract different people

I noticed that

so far only one of them has been trashed

I noticed that

you could start a new thread for that topic

I thought about that

why don't you include a thread on the antichrist?

the word is not used in the apocalypse

it would get a lot of attention

this is true

chrysostom
August 2nd, 2014, 03:55 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)


coming soon


now under construction

still under construction

chrysostom
August 3rd, 2014, 04:15 AM
so how is the construction coming?

okay

do the pieces fit?

it is a puzzle and the pieces must fit

what if they don't?

you keep looking

what about recapitulation?

it may be the most important piece

why?

without it some of the pieces do not fit

chrysostom
August 4th, 2014, 04:20 AM
you are doing a good job of not being disruptive

I think it is necessary

not being disruptive?

it gives me time for other things

like what?

research

you do need time for that

augustine said something about that

like what?

it is good if you have time for this kind of stuff

like being disruptive?

no, research

so you think being disruptive is not necessary?

can't say that

what can you say?

somebody has to do it

resurrected
August 4th, 2014, 04:22 AM
this post has been reported for being not disruptive enough

chrysostom
August 5th, 2014, 03:51 AM
so you like puzzles?

if the pieces fit, you must admit

don't you have to force them to fit?

interpretations are forced

by what?

your agenda

so everyone has one?

ubetcha

so what is yours

to show rome is not babylon the great

so what is it?

new jerusalem

chrysostom
August 6th, 2014, 03:21 AM
so where did you find this?

find what?

rome is new jerusalem

I didn't

so you came up with this on your own?

I did get a little help with scripture and common sense

what else did you not find anywhere else?

the four horseman

so everything else has been suggested by others?

that's right

what about the thousand years?

I can't understand why more are not looking at the byzantine empire

chrysostom
August 7th, 2014, 03:55 AM
so are you backing this stuff up?

in case it gets deleted?

you need to think about that

they may need room for all those software posts

don't you use software?

I use biblegateway

why do you always use the kjv?

when in rome...

so for you it is not a big deal?

no

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

oatmeal
August 7th, 2014, 04:04 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)


coming soon


now under construction

I Thessalonians 4:13-18 shall occur before the apocalypse ever starts.

chrysostom
August 7th, 2014, 04:13 AM
I Thessalonians 4:13-18 shall occur before the apocalypse ever starts.

the time is not near
the time is not now
the time is past

to ignore it
is
to be ignorant

chrysostom
August 8th, 2014, 03:42 AM
how many different views of the apocalypse are there?

four

what are they?

preterist, historicist, futurist, and spiritualist

and you are a historicist?

a new and improved one

why do you say that?

normal historicists identify rome as babylon the great

that is a problem for catholics

that is why they came up with the preterist and spiritualist views

who are the futurists?

they are mad

do you have a link for this?

ubetcha (http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.5110361/k.5D09/Four_Views_of_Revelation.htm)

did you find a book on this?

ubetcha (http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Four-Views-Parallel-Commentary/dp/0840721285)

chrysostom
August 9th, 2014, 04:10 AM
why do you think the apocalypse is in the bible?

somebody convinced somebody that it came from the apostle john

and who might they be?

jerome has to be the one convinced

did he decide what was going to be in the bible?

no but he was translating it

wasn't he told what to translate?

yes but before jerome the apocalypse was not settled

and after him it was?

yes

and you think chrysostom had something to do with that

yes

why?

he was in ephesus the same time jerome was doing his translation

that's it?

no there are many other reasons

will they be covered in 'the three johns' thread?

yes

chrysostom
August 10th, 2014, 04:18 AM
are you still finding new things?

ubetcha

like what?

just recently I found this painting of the four horsemen

what was so special about that?

most have the rider of the white horse carrying a bow and arrow

and this one didn't?

this one had him carrying a rainbow

is that biblical?

bow means rainbow and covenant

based on what?

gen 9:16 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+9:16&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

do you have a link for that painting?

right here (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ottheinrich_Folio288r_Rev6A.jpg)

Totton Linnet
August 10th, 2014, 04:27 AM
That is interesting....for he went forth conquering to conquer. But God must remember His covenant to all flesh, He will never again arbitarily wipe out humanity. The covenant of the rainbow is "seedtime and harvest" or "whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap"

chrysostom
August 11th, 2014, 04:03 AM
so why do we need to know this?

I am not sure we do

why do you?

there is something about using your talents

so it is your job?

write about what you know

did you eat the book?

you could say that

that's why I did

how sweet it is

are you having trouble digesting it?

I don't understand it all

so you keep looking?

ubetcha

chrysostom
August 12th, 2014, 05:06 AM
I see you added 'the two witnesses'

we are still under construction

did you have trouble with the two witnesses?

you could say that

that's why I did

there are plenty of clues

in the old testament?

we also have history

what if it doesn't fit?

a literal interpretation is not always possible

how do you determine when it is?

when it fits

Letsargue
August 12th, 2014, 05:27 AM
john
not sure which one
there are three johns
and
at least three different versions of the apocalypse


Three Johns??? - ( Three )??? ----- Apostles???
Can you give us their "surnames", or Other names, or something so We can "Count" them; - to (((( PROVE )))) There are ~Three????

I'll bet you missed one, --- or two!!!

Paul, David -- 081214

chrysostom
August 13th, 2014, 04:14 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

check the three johns thread
if
you are interested in the three johns

chrysostom
August 14th, 2014, 03:20 AM
so you read a book

laying in bed with a good one is much nicer than sitting at the computer

it is hard to find a good one

this is true

how did you find it?

at the library

so you don't have your own copy?

this one I do

amazon?

you can get a good used hardcover for a good price

like what?

like this (http://www.amazon.com/In-Shadow-Sword-Global-Empire/dp/0307473651)

chrysostom
August 15th, 2014, 04:24 AM
I am being disrupted

is it necessary?

family is

some don't think so

some have a problem with duty

is it a necessary ingredient?

you pay now or you pay later

some have a problem with that

some have a problem with reality

only the ones who can't borrow

chrysostom
August 16th, 2014, 03:44 AM
so you are on the road today?

in the air

that can't be fun

it's a long way

family?

ubetcha

hope you have a nice trip

they have beer there

prosit

annabenedetti
August 16th, 2014, 03:56 AM
Have a wonderful time and come home safe, chrys.

fzappa13
August 16th, 2014, 04:17 AM
Have a wonderful time and come home safe, chrys.

I now officially appoint you as Chrys's translator. Yeah, I know, the pay sucks but ... think about the perks. :think:

annabenedetti
August 16th, 2014, 04:24 AM
I now officially appoint you as Chrys's translator. Yeah, I know, the pay sucks but ... think about the perks. :think:

Beer? :)

I'm guessing he's on his way to Germany or thereabouts, so if I'm wrong, you can take back the appointment but the beer stays with me.

fzappa13
August 16th, 2014, 05:12 AM
Beer? :)

I'm guessing he's on his way to Germany or thereabouts, so if I'm wrong, you can take back the appointment but the beer stays with me.

To the Germans their beer ... to the Scotch/Irish and the Indians they assimilated ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POWhlGzTELw

chrysostom
August 17th, 2014, 06:27 AM
so how was the trip?

okay

I see you have computer access there

and access to draft beer

that sounds good

my son not only brews his own but also has a refrigerator with two small kegs and a tap on the door

so did you die and go to heaven?

it seems that way

Caino
August 17th, 2014, 06:46 AM
Every age thinks it's the last. There have been far worse times than this!

John the Baptist warned of "the wrath to come", but no wrath came, just a mature, loving creator Son from a friendly, carefully managed universe.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Colter/imagejpg1_zps6e1e5e01.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Colter/media/imagejpg1_zps6e1e5e01.jpg.html)

No Dorothy, our Loving Father isn't going to smash up the world, the world must evolve in wisdom on its own, God waits patiently for man to turn to him and be willing to be lead by his loving spirit.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Colter/imagejpg1_zps7768d0d8.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Colter/media/imagejpg1_zps7768d0d8.jpg.html)

Letsargue
August 17th, 2014, 07:20 AM
Every age thinks it's the last. There have been far worse times than this!

John the Baptist warned of "the wrath to come", but no wrath came, just a mature, loving creator Son from a friendly, carefully managed universe.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Colter/imagejpg1_zps6e1e5e01.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Colter/media/imagejpg1_zps6e1e5e01.jpg.html)


The wrath that was to come, Had to come, and I think it DID; - this is How.

(( The time of trouble, worse than ever, or ever will be )), is seen in AD70 with the ( Total destruction of Judah ), Jerusalem, and the Temple that can Not be rebuilt. - That has NEVER Happened and that can Never happen again. That Prophesy can be nothing But Fulfilled, and nothing can be added to that time ever again, THUS, That - also fulfills all other Prophesies that was ever written also, ( as stated ).

Now, ever sense then, there has not been a True Jew, or a place for anyone to worship any true God under that Old Law. - God put an END TO THAT TIME. -- (( Isaiah 34:4 KJV )) -- 4- "And (( ALL the host of (Heaven) shall be Dissolved )), ((( 'AND" ))) ((( the Heavens shall be "ROLLED TOGETHER" as a (( "SCROLL" )))". --//----- I must say that that is the Truth, - the "Rolled up Scroll" is that Old LAW!! -- There is Nothing that will contradict with that. - That is one of the "Tricky" ways God speaks, but it is "that", - He Spoke.

Paul, David - 081714

Caino
August 17th, 2014, 11:12 AM
The wrath that was to come, Had to come, and I think it DID; - this is How.

(( The time of trouble, worse than ever, or ever will be )), is seen in AD70 with the ( Total destruction of Judah ), Jerusalem, and the Temple that can Not be rebuilt. - That has NEVER Happened and that can Never happen again. That Prophesy can be nothing But Fulfilled, and nothing can be added to that time ever again, THUS, That - also fulfills all other Prophesies that was ever written also, ( as stated ).

Now, ever sense then, there has not been a True Jew, or a place for anyone to worship any true God under that Old Law. - God put an END TO THAT TIME. -- (( Isaiah 34:4 KJV )) -- 4- "And (( ALL the host of (Heaven) shall be Dissolved )), ((( 'AND" ))) ((( the Heavens shall be "ROLLED TOGETHER" as a (( "SCROLL" )))". --//----- I must say that that is the Truth, - the "Rolled up Scroll" is that Old LAW!! -- There is Nothing that will contradict with that. - That is one of the "Tricky" ways God speaks, but it is "that", - He Spoke.

Paul, David - 081714


"During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times. The oldest part of the city was settled in the 4th millennium BCE, making Jerusalem one of the oldest cities in the world."

The context of Johns wrath was the old erroneous belief in what the Jewish Messiah was going to do. Jesus was quite different and Jerusalem didn't fall AGIAN for another 40 years after Jesus left as the people finally revolted against the false prophets, the Jews. That was the day of Gentile vengeance.

Totton Linnet
August 17th, 2014, 11:29 AM
Beer? :)

I'm guessing he's on his way to Germany or thereabouts, so if I'm wrong, you can take back the appointment but the beer stays with me.

Mebbe he is related to Spitfire :sinapisN: [Austrians are pretty serious about beer] but my guess is he is still in the US. The Munich beer fest is not till October.

Zeke
August 17th, 2014, 03:18 PM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

The mark is your name, try not using that legal name and see the trap of babylonian commerce you are chained to NOW! no future antichrist or beast system it is here now.

Zeke
August 17th, 2014, 03:23 PM
Exoteric babble, Genesis 32:30, the third eye in your skull is where Christ was crucified then and now. Calvary=Skull, Luke 17:20-21! you do not observe the spiritual with your two (thieves) eyes.

chrysostom
August 18th, 2014, 07:42 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

will there be any more threads?

I don't think so

how goes the search?

it just takes time

is that why you are not participating in other threads?

they are unnecessarily disruptive

chrysostom
August 19th, 2014, 06:04 AM
so what is next?

the four horsemen

your views on that are unique

that's what I thought until I found this painting

what painting?

it has the rider of the white horse carrying a rainbow

that is unusual, what about the other riders?

the rider of the red horse looks like a turk

what about the black horse?

he looks russian

so this painter got there before you?

you got that right

chrysostom
August 20th, 2014, 07:26 AM
so you changed your avatar

the time is near

so you must prophesy again?

more like preparing the way

then you have the wrong avatar

chrysostom had a lot in common with the baptist

both troublemakers

one lost his head and the other was banned

so you can relate to that?

so far just the latter

so how long are you going to avoid the fray?

as long as I don't get bored with the searching

so what is next?

the ten horns

JosephR
August 20th, 2014, 07:29 AM
why does anyone care?

chrysostom
August 20th, 2014, 07:34 AM
why does anyone care?

understanding the bible
and
sharing that understanding

isn't that why we are here?

annabenedetti
August 20th, 2014, 08:04 AM
is that why you are not participating in other threads?

they are unnecessarily disruptive


Have you discovered in your apocalyptic searching that the world didn't come to an end because you got an infraction? :)

False Prophet
August 20th, 2014, 08:08 AM
what do you think ended the ottoman empire?

World War I ended the Ottoman Empire, and the days of Ataturk began.

chrysostom
August 20th, 2014, 08:32 AM
what do you think ended the ottoman empire?


the rider of the black horse

chrysostom
August 20th, 2014, 08:41 AM
Have you discovered in your apocalyptic searching that the world didn't come to an end because you got an infraction? :)

the infraction plus the deletion of my threads told me to get back to my research
and
prophesy again to all nations

annabenedetti
August 20th, 2014, 08:51 AM
the infraction plus the deletion of my threads told me to get back to my research
and
prophesy again to all nations

If you're finding peace and enlightenment in your research, then I'm happy for you.

OCTOBER23
August 20th, 2014, 09:23 AM
chrysostom

What do you want to know about the apocolospical ? hic

chrysostom
August 20th, 2014, 10:04 AM
chrysostom

What do you want to know about the apocolospical ? hic

I want to know why they ignore

the seven hills of constantinople
the thousand years of the byzantine empire
the seven dynasties of the roman empire
the ten dynasties of islam

don't you?

chrysostom
August 21st, 2014, 07:33 AM
so did you save it?

the history of islam?

yeah

ubetcha

looks like a lot of work

it was

does that cover all the battles?

just what I think are the significant ones

did you always like history?

not until I found it useful

wikipedia sure is useful

I am loving it

so what is next?

babylon the great

that's great

chrysostom
August 22nd, 2014, 06:59 AM
so why should we care?

seek and you shall find

only what you are looking for

a better understanding?

how can you be sure?

testing

how do you do that?

expose your ideas to the critics

we got plenty of them

don't surprise me none

so what is next?

antipas

what do we know about him?

who knew and when is the issue

chrysostom
August 23rd, 2014, 12:52 PM
so how is this working for you?

we already have a copycat thread

is that a good sign?

we need signs and we must watch for them

what kind of signs?

right now my grandson wants to watch garbage truck videos

now that is a sign that the end is near

what is next?

just watch

chrysostom
August 23rd, 2014, 12:53 PM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
armageddon
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

keep watching

chrysostom
August 24th, 2014, 06:10 AM
so what do you know about armageddon?

nothing

so why start a thread about it?

somebody might have a clue

like a sign?

sure

so you are just going to watch?

I may ask a few questions

why should we watch?

blessed is he that watcheth

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

MichaelCadry
August 24th, 2014, 06:38 AM
Dear chrysostom,

You play with fire leading God's children away from Him by actually lying about what He means about the latter times. You have no knowledge given by Him. Only your own interpretation on what 'sounds' best for you. I'm not that way. Give people the truth and I won't both you again. Otherwise I will. It is getting very later here (it is 5am) and I cannot address this for now for I am too tired. Steer clear here all for now.

Michael

chrysostom
August 24th, 2014, 06:42 AM
Give people the truth and I won't both you again.

you are no bother
and
I am always watching for the truth

chrysostom
August 25th, 2014, 06:56 AM
so what are you watching for?

signs

are you looking for directions?

we all need a navigator

so you just watch?

I also try to listen

to what?

to what others have to say

that can be very confusing

there are a lot of false prophets

how will you know them?

watch what they do

so it comes back to watching?

ubetcha

so what is next?

the thousand years

that is a long time

there has only been one

chrysostom
August 26th, 2014, 06:29 AM
do you have a navigator?

when you are as old as me you need one

do you have trouble reading signs?

yes and amy tells me when I have to make a turn

is she your navigator?

she never gets upset when I miss a turn, she just recalculates

do you still watch for signs?

that's my job

shouldn't that be everyone's job?

not everyone has the time that I have

sunday is the day you make time

this is true

so what is next?

the four beasts

but there are only two

I'll explain

chrysostom
August 27th, 2014, 07:25 AM
everybody agrees about the four kingdoms of daniel

they may be kingdoms but they are not all beasts

based on what?

the temple

what does the temple have to do with it?

don't mess with the temple

and if you do?

that makes you a beast

why don't the others see it that way?

they aren't watching

and you are?

it's my job

so what's next?

the little book

chrysostom
August 28th, 2014, 07:02 AM
so you think the little book is the apocalypse?

so does victorinus

who is he?

he wrote a commentary on the apocalypse in the third century

where do you find this stuff?

online

really?

really

so you don't have to go to the library anymore?

not really

so you like books

really

so what is next?

recapitulation

again?

again

chrysostom
August 29th, 2014, 06:44 AM
so why is recapitulation so important?

without it you are more likely to make errors in interpreting the apocalypse

why?

you are more likely to think the chapters are in chronological order?

so?

an error in the interpretation of one chapter will likely force another in the following chapter

is that why they think Christ will reign during the millennium?

yes because they think chapter 19 is the second coming

and you don't?

I don't know but I do know Christ does not reign during the millennium

how?

it says the saints will reign

so what is next?

666

now there is a fly catcher

you know you will catch something with that one

chrysostom
August 30th, 2014, 07:15 AM
sure have a lot of links in that last 666 post (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4026976#post4026976)

I hope it is not a problem

amr does it

do his get deleted?

haven't heard him complain about it

you get a lot of links with wikipedia

have you considered it?

I love it

have you ever edited it?

no but I am considering it

maybe you should start a thread to see who has

sounds good

so what is next?

the seven heads

you think they are dynasties?

it fit's

chrysostom
August 31st, 2014, 07:49 AM
so when are you going to participate in the other threads?

I am

not like you use to

I'm saving myself

how do you do that?

why don't you ask the others who are saved?

what are you saving yourself from?

distraction

don't you mean disruption?

is that necessary?

I think it is

so what is next?

new jerusalem

rome?

ubetcha

chrysostom
September 1st, 2014, 05:59 AM
no one believes rome is new jerusalem

you can't say that anymore

because you do?

somebody has to say it

based on what?

scripture

why don't others see it?

they are not looking for it

seek and you shall find?

exactly

who has time for this?

I do as long as I am not distracted by all the other stuff

you mean the unnecessary disruptions?

exactly

so what is next?

the three johns

are you sure it is only three?

no

chrysostom
September 2nd, 2014, 05:32 AM
are you proselytizing?

I don't think so

what do you call it?

sharing

sharing what?

my understanding of scripture

you mean the catholic understanding of scripture

it is not the catholic view

so where did you get it?

from historians

what do they know about the bible?

they know history

but this is prophecy

prophecy is about future history

so you think it has already happened?

you won't know if you don't look at history

so what is next?

the ten horns

more history?

ubetcha

resurrected
September 2nd, 2014, 07:23 AM
bring back bucksplasher!

chrysostom
September 3rd, 2014, 04:00 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
armageddon (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4020185#post4020185)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

pardon the dust

chrysostom
September 3rd, 2014, 04:18 AM
you were talking about history

I think it's the key

the key to what?

understanding prophecy

so you force the historical event to fit?

not just one, they all have to fit

you must like puzzles

I really do

so what is next?

babylon the great

another piece of the puzzle

let's see if it fits

chrysostom
September 4th, 2014, 04:53 AM
so why don't they know about the seven hills of constantinople?

it's a mystery

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes it is revelation 17:5 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+17%3A5&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

everyone knew about the seven hills of rome

even peter

you mean he didn't go to babylon?

there is no evidence that he did

the bible is not evidence?

you have to connect the dots

it's so hard

just ask for help

so what's next?

antipas

help

chrysostom
September 5th, 2014, 03:46 AM
so we don't know much about antipas

victorinus didn't know much about antipas

how do you explain that?

his version of the apocalypse didn't mention antipas

how can you know that?

he did mention balaam, balak, nicolaitanes, and the white stone

but he didn't mention antipas or pergamos?

that's right

it does make you wonder

I was hoping you would

so what is next?

armageddon

not much interest in that

I noticed that

wordsponge
September 5th, 2014, 07:13 AM
Hi Chry,

Thanks for the point.
It breaks the monotony of overflowing red, from the Max. heretic.

enjoy..

Grosnick Marowbe
September 5th, 2014, 07:21 AM
Hi Chry,

Thanks for the point.
It breaks the monotony of overflowing red, from the Max. heretic.

enjoy..

Do you have a screw loose?

wordsponge
September 5th, 2014, 07:37 AM
Do you have a screw loose?

+++
Jesus mans the screw driver.
You do not know about that, so far.

chrysostom
September 6th, 2014, 05:11 AM
so there is not much to say about armageddon

no there isn't

so why did you start a thread about it?

I was hoping somebody would have something to say about it

they may not be watching

they should be watching

why?

blessed is he that watcheth

I love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes it is revelation 16:15 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+16%3A15&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

the four horsemen

that has to be your favorite

yes it is

chrysostom
September 7th, 2014, 04:40 AM
so what is next?

on the road again

family again?

family again

you must have a lot of family

the only thing worse than no family is too much family

will you have access to a computer?

I wouldn't have time even if I did

how long will you be gone?

about ten days

have a good trip

thank you, thank you very much

chrysostom
September 18th, 2014, 04:27 AM
welcome back

thank you, thank you very much

how does it feel?

weird, very weird

did you miss us?

not really

so are you going to start where you left off?

don't know where I left off

well the important thing is that you get started

the important thing may be that I took a break

this is true

chrysostom
September 19th, 2014, 04:57 AM
so why are there so many interpretations?

this is a test

for what?

to see how we treat those with different views

so it doesn't matter what you believe?

what you do matters

what you do is determine by what you believe

if you're normal

doesn't free will have something to do with this?

it is being tested

is that it?

it is also being changed

if you're lucky

if you ask for help

why should you ask for help?

because you need it

so what is next?

the two witnesses

chrysostom
September 20th, 2014, 04:25 AM
so the two witnesses are the church and state?

right

based on what?

the bible

how did you find that?

just search the bible for the two olive trees

how do you get church and state from that?

history and common sense

why do you use history?

because it is there

so what is next?

recapitulation

again?

again

quip
September 20th, 2014, 04:28 AM
the apocalypse - July 10th, 2014, 04:20 AM
coming soon


now under construction


:idunno:

chrysostom
September 20th, 2014, 07:42 AM
:idunno:

that is a good start
now
the next step is

I want to know

wordsponge
September 20th, 2014, 07:56 AM
The Catholics produced TWO explanations for the ONE book.
A wide net will catch many unlearned fish.

Which explanation are you using?
Why didn't Jesus tell them what the meaning was?

chrysostom
September 20th, 2014, 07:57 AM
The Catholics produced TWO explanations for the ONE book.
A wide net will catch many unlearned fish.

Which explanation are you using?
Why didn't Jesus tell them what the meaning was?

there is no official catholic explanation for the apocalypse

wordsponge
September 20th, 2014, 07:59 AM
there is no official catholic explanation for the apocalypse
+++
Sure...game players...

You guys are in much trouble

chrysostom
September 21st, 2014, 05:22 AM
so why is this important?

for most it isn't

for you it is?

you need to understand certain things

and you need to share that?

there is also the need to test it

so you are looking for feedback?

maybe just a dialogue

good luck with that

thank you

so what is next?

the little book

did you eat it?

yes I did

chrysostom
September 22nd, 2014, 04:12 AM
so you ate the little book?

yes I did

what does that mean?

it becomes part of you

are you obsessed with it?

you could say that?

can you?

yes I can

how did this happen?

it is being used to discredit the church

so you are using it to promote the church?

it's my job

so you believe in work?

you will be known by it

so what is next?

the seven heads

chrysostom
September 23rd, 2014, 04:49 AM
so why don't you count kings?

there are too many

too many to count?

way more than seven

so why do you count dynasties?

there are exactly seven

what do you know about dynasties?

I just report what the historians write

how did you find this?

I just counted them

why haven't the others noticed this?

it is a mystery

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is revelation 17:7 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+17:7&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

new jerusalem

chrysostom
September 24th, 2014, 05:20 AM
rome is new jerusalem?

why not?

no one has suggested that

just one

doesn't that make you a wacko?

never denied being one

what does the church teach?

the church does not have an official view of the apocalypse

why not?

don't know but naming the beast and the false prophet might be politically incorrect

that doesn't stop you

never has

so what's next

the three johns

chrysostom
September 25th, 2014, 06:14 AM
so you think john the baptist is the original author of the apocalypse?

I am not the first one to think that

what makes you think that?

many chapters do not even mention the name of Jesus

and chapter five mentions the lamb?

that clearly points to the baptist

is that it?

there are many things that suggest the baptist

why is that not obvious to the others?

there are too many books and too many heavy hitters that insist it was the apostle

so you are rocking the boat?

that's my job

so what is next?

the ten horns

chrysostom
September 26th, 2014, 04:59 AM
so how did you get ten islamic dynasties?

I just looked

there must be more than ten

they list ten

it doesn't prove anything

this is true but it does fit

you can make anything fit

that is not true

anyone can search history for events that fit

they have to fit with all the other parts of the apocalypse

that makes it more difficult

the puzzle has many pieces

so what is the next piece?

babylon the great

chrysostom
September 27th, 2014, 04:47 AM
are you the only one to suggest constantinople is babylon the great?

any honest historian must admit that no other city dominated trade like constantinople

so others have?

yes

most still think it is rome

yes

because of the seven hills

that is no mystery

so constantinople is still a mystery

and likely to remain so

so what is next?

antipas

another mystery?

yes

chrysostom
September 28th, 2014, 05:23 AM
how can they ignore atipas?

who is ignoring antipas?

eusebius and victorinus

why shouldn't they ignore antipas?

they didn't ignore the apocalypse

what about the other commentators?

they didn't ignore antipas

did they ignore the fact that eusebius and victorinus ignored antipas?

they sure did

how can you ignore that?

I don't know

so what is next?

armageddon

can't ignore that

chrysostom
September 29th, 2014, 03:34 AM
so why did you start a thread about armageddon?

someone may be watching

why should they be watching?

blessed is he that watcheth

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is revelation 16:15 kjv (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+16:15&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

are you watching?

it's my job

how do you know?

I think about it all the time

do you have visions?

no

so what is next?

the four horsemen

chrysostom
September 30th, 2014, 05:18 AM
so how did you come up with the four horsemen?

the red sea

why the red sea?

and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth

I love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it revelation 6:4 kjv (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+6%3A4&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so you think mohammed was given the power to take peace from the earth?

who else?

so what is next?

the thousand years

chrysostom
October 1st, 2014, 04:25 AM
how can you ignore a thousand years?

isn't there only one?

just ask the historians

what do they know?

history

so you trust history

it's all we have

what about the bible?

it's history

it is all we can trust

it's being misinterpreted

not if you're inspired

test the spirits

how?

by using your common sense, reason, and logic

trusting is easier

only if you can fool yourself

so what is next?

666

chrysostom
October 2nd, 2014, 04:51 AM
so what is a mark?

well you mark it if you want to bring attention to it

but you don't want everyone to know about it

so you need a secret code of some kind

did you search the old testament?

now that takes wisdom

what did you get?

The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,

did you search daniel?

I did for the word number

what did you get?

the number of the years

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

recapitulation

again?

again

chrysostom
October 3rd, 2014, 04:49 AM
so why do you keep repeating this?

to reinforce learning

what are you teaching?

what I know

what you think you know

that is all I know

how can you know?

by thinking

is that it?

you have to watcheth

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is revelation 16:15 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+16:15&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

the little book

chrysostom
October 4th, 2014, 02:41 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
armageddon (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4020185#post4020185)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

still under construction

chrysostom
October 4th, 2014, 02:42 AM
so you think the little book is the apocalypse?

I am not the only one

what is the purpose of this chapter?

I think it explains the the three johns

how is that?

john takes the book written by another john

and he adds to it?

this would explain why some didn't think it belonged in the bible

you think they were looking at the original?

it would not have had the name Jesus in it

why?

it was written by the baptist

so what is next?

the seven heads

chrysostom
October 5th, 2014, 04:45 AM
so why was chyrsostom in ephesus replacing seven bishops

they were all corrupt

when was this?

at the beginning of the fifth century

that would have been the sixth dynasty of the roman empire

exactly

so you think chrysostom is the third john?

some russian astronomer confirmed this

using astronomy?

it's in the stars

how do you know?

I just report what I read

that is outrageous

but it does fit

so what is next?

the two witnesses

chrysostom
October 6th, 2014, 02:48 AM
so you think the two witnesses are the church and state?

the byzantine empire or the holy roman empire

both were significant

we should be looking for significant events in history

is history more important than the bible?

history can help us interpret the bible

interpret?

we all interpret the bible

many won't admit that

this is true

so what is next?

new jerusalem

chrysostom
October 7th, 2014, 03:46 AM
rome is new jerusalem?

it makes sense

to anyone besides you?

I can say it is new jerusalem if they say it is babylon the great

what does scripture say?

anything you want it to say

is there any limit to what it says

history, logic, reason, and common sense

is that biblical?

it is sanity

so what is next?

I will be away for a few days

chrysostom
October 10th, 2014, 03:22 AM
welcome back

thank you, thank you very much

you have been away a lot this year

too much

it is good to get away

not this much

do you miss your routine?

yes

doesn't it get boring?

it's comfortable

well don't get too comfortable

I don't think that is possible

so what is next?

the three johns

chrysostom
October 11th, 2014, 04:57 AM
how did you come up with three johns?

the first chapter has three johns

that is strange

hard to ignore

why the baptist?

that had already been suggested

based on what?

most of the apocalypse sounds more jewish than christian

this is true

and who is preparing the way?

the baptist

exactly

so what is next?

the ten horns

chrysostom
October 12th, 2014, 04:06 AM
how did you count ten dynasties?

I didn't, they counted them, I just found them

why do you think the horns are dynasties?

the heads are dynasties

why do you think the seven heads are dynasties?

there are only seven

how did you count seven dynasties?

I didn't, they counted them, I just found them

who is they?

the historians

what do they know about scripture?

prophecy is the future of history

so what is next?

babylon the great

history?

ubetcha

chrysostom
October 13th, 2014, 03:45 AM
why don' t they consider constantinople?

most don't even want to think about it

well it isn't really important

but it is in the bible

but it is just a detail

the details are not important?

we can't agree on what they mean

we should be able to discuss them

without telling someone they are going to hell?

it's just a warning

do you actually think someone is going to hell because they have a different interpretation?

some things are important

agreeing isn't one of them

so what is next?

the four beasts

isn't it just two?

chrysostom
October 14th, 2014, 03:29 AM
so you think the second beast of the apocalypse is the fourth beast of daniel?

it is so obvious

just because of the ten horns

it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is daniel 7:7 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7:7&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

you need more than that to identify a beast

you need history

everyone has that

you just need to pay attention

so what is next?

antipas

chrysostom
October 15th, 2014, 03:52 AM
so who is antipas?

he is mentioned in the apocalypse

so why are we talking about him?

because others hadn't

why didn't they?

this calls for speculation

I love it when you speculate

eusebius and victorinus do not mention antipas

surely they are not the only ones

don't call me shirely, both had talked about the apocalypse

extensively?

extensively

is that it?

neither one acknowledges any of the seven churches

how do you explain that?

there was a version of the apocalypse that didn't mention antipas or the seven churches

interesting

I thought so

so what is next?

armageddon

bybee
October 15th, 2014, 05:57 AM
so who is antipas?

he is mentioned in the apocalypse

so why are we talking about him?

because others hadn't

why didn't they?

this calls for speculation

I love it when you speculate

eusebius and victorinus do not mention antipas

surely they are not the only ones

don't call me shirely, both had talked about the apocalypse

extensively?

extensively

is that it?

neither one acknowledges any of the seven churches

how do you explain that?

there was a version of the apocalypse that didn't mention antipas or the seven churches

interesting

I thought so

so what is next?

armageddon

I don't like Armageddon!
Why?
Because I am fast approaching my own comeuppance.
The dross is mostly melted away.

chrysostom
October 16th, 2014, 03:00 AM
so what do you know about armageddon?

not much

so why are we talking about it?

it's just another piece of the puzzle

don't you hate it when there is a missing piece?

that's why I keep looking

isn't there something about that in the bible?

blessed is he that watcheth

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is revelation 16:15 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+16:15&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

the four horsemen

we will watch for it

bless you

chrysostom
October 17th, 2014, 02:30 AM
so why do you think the bow is a rainbow?

genesis 9:13 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+9:13&version=KJV)

what does it mean?

it is a covenant

like a contract?

exactly

why is this important?

some think the rider of the white horse is Jesus and others think it is the antichrist

so?

a covenant with God would suggest that neither is true

so you look for someone else

right

and you think that is constantine?

who else?

so what is next?

the thousand years

didn't constantine start that?

ubetcha

chrysostom
October 18th, 2014, 03:31 AM
so what about the thousand years?

they are all premillennialists

what is that?

someone who thinks Jesus must return before the thousand years starts

why is that?

they think Jesus will reign

why?

because chapter 19 comes before chapter 20

doesn't it?

yes but they also think chapter 19 is the second coming

isn't it?

not necessarily but even if it is, it doesn't mean Jesus will reign

doesn't chapter 20 say Jesus will reign?

no

what does it say?

the saints will reign with Jesus

how does that happen before Jesus returns?

He will be with us when we gather in His name

so what is next?

666

chrysostom
October 19th, 2014, 05:02 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
armageddon (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4020185#post4020185)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

still under construction
recapitulation is next

chrysostom
October 20th, 2014, 03:43 AM
why is recapitulation important?

it's a theory that can improve our understanding of the apocalypse

how?

it allows us to interpret each chapter separately

what good is that?

you don't have to assume the chronology of each chapter

so the interpretation of any chapter is not forced on the next?

exactly

where do you see that happening?

many believe Christ will reign during the thousand years

so?

it clearly states the saints will reign

I guess it is not clear to everyone

right

so what is next?

the little book

chrysostom
October 21st, 2014, 03:38 AM
so you think the little book is the apocalypse

so do others

like who?

victorinus

who is he?

he wrote a commentary on the apocalypse in the third century

where do you find this stuff?

on the internet

where?

new advent (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/)

thanks for the link

you're welcome

so what is next?

the seven heads

chrysostom
October 22nd, 2014, 03:26 AM
so why do you think the seven heads are dynasties?

because it fits

why can't they be kings?

there are too many and you can't make them fit

that isn't very convincing

it is just one piece of the puzzle

so it just has to fit?

getting it to fit with all the other pieces is not that easy

it is easy to overlook that

and that allows for many different interpretations

so that is why we have so many

always room for one more

so what is next?

the two witnesses

chrysostom
October 23rd, 2014, 04:04 AM
so what is new on the two witnesses?

early transcripts talk about one mouth and one body

why not two?

somehow they have been joined together

like being married?

more like islam

islam doesn't speak with one voice

it is hard to separate religion and state with it

so church and state are the two witnesses?

as in one empire with one voice and one body

so what is next?

new jerusalem

chrysostom
October 24th, 2014, 03:47 AM
so you are the only one who thinks rome is new jerusalem?

I don't know why

you think it is that obvious?

rome is to christianity as jerusalem is to the jews

not all christians recognize the pope

most do

so why is he hated so much?

he is an authority figure

some don't want to be fed

eating on your own can be a risky business

so what is next?

the futurists

is that new?

yes

chrysostom
October 25th, 2014, 03:06 AM
so you are an historicist?

of course

why?

prophecy is the prediction of future events

so why aren't you a futurist

we have a lot of history to look at

what if it isn't there?

once you have taken an honest look at history, you can be a futurist

most have a problem with getting history to fit

it could be due to their interpretation

what can you do about that?

take a look at interpretations that fit history

so what is next?

the three johns

chrysostom
October 26th, 2014, 04:24 AM
so why the third john?

good question

well?

I can only speculate

I love it when you speculate

the whole thing is a mystery

you can do better than that

we are not supposed to understand it

then why is it in the bible?

to inspire us

to what end?

to read the other parts of the bible

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

the ten horns

chrysostom
October 27th, 2014, 03:51 AM
so why do you think the ten horns are dynasties?

the seven heads are dynasties

did you count them?

the historians counted them

how did you find them?

I just looked

how did you know what you were looking for?

everyone was looking for kings and kingdoms so dynasties is not a great leap

it's a leap others have not taken

their leaps are just different

so what is next?

the four beasts

isn't just two?

not in daniel

Stuu
October 27th, 2014, 03:57 AM
Do you have any other hobbies apart from Catholicism?

Stuart

Stuu
October 27th, 2014, 03:59 AM
Just helping you get to 15 more posts so you can repeat yourself again at the top of the next page.

Stuart

chrysostom
October 28th, 2014, 04:44 AM
so why don't they see islam as the fourth beast?

they see it but don't want to say it?

why?

they want to protect their family

that's it?

well liberals are just protecting islam

why?

I can only speculate as to why liberals do what they do

I love it when you speculate

liberals are anti-religion

islam is a religion

with liberals it doesn't have to make sense

so what is next?

babylon the great

chrysostom
October 29th, 2014, 03:39 AM
so why is history so important?

because it's there

what if it doesn't fit?

consider your interpretation

so you use history to interpret the bible?

I use common sense and history only as a guide

but prophecy is about the future

sooner or later it will be history

we'll know it what we see it

the jews are still looking for the messiah

they need to look at history

everyone should

so what is next?

antipas

chrysostom
October 30th, 2014, 04:38 AM
why don't they talk about it?

about what?

antipas

they do talk about antipas

victorinus and eusebius don't

so?

the commentators don't talk about that

why should they?

victorinus and eusebius talk about everything but antipas and the seven churches

and we shouldn't ignore that?

right

so what is next?

armageddon

Stuu
October 30th, 2014, 05:31 AM
Nearly there now. Just another couple needed to fill up this page, and then you can repost your page starter again.

Stuart

chrysostom
October 30th, 2014, 05:34 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
armageddon (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4020185#post4020185)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the futurists (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105258)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

thanks stu

chrysostom
October 31st, 2014, 05:00 AM
so what do you know about armageddon?

it's a mystery

so why is it there?

you can tell a lot about a person by how he interprets something

so?

it's a test to see what you are really like

test?

you won't find that word in your bible

is it in yours?

ubetcha

can you quote it?

Many shall be refined, purified, and tested, but the wicked shall prove wicked; the wicked shall have no understanding, but those with insight shall

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is daniel 12:10 nab (http://www.usccb.org/bible/daniel/12)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

I'll be away for a few days

family?

yeah

Stuu
November 1st, 2014, 07:19 PM
How many left to go on this page now?

It's usually 12 to 15 posts, isn't it?

I'll do a few more later on.

Stuart

chrysostom
November 4th, 2014, 04:42 AM
welcome back

thank you, thank you very much

was it another family visit?

I have a lot of family

so isn't it time for another project?

I will keep this one going as long as there is interest

so you do keep track of the views?

just to see how many are watching

you just want them to watch?

blessed is he that watcheth

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is revelation 16:15 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+16%3A15&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so what is next?

the four horsemen

chrysostom
November 5th, 2014, 05:19 AM
so why do they hate constantine?

I can only speculate

I love it when you speculate

he started the greatest empire, it was christian and it would last a thousand years

why would that bother them?

he was the third most significant person who ever lived

Jesus and mohammed being the first two?

right

I still don't understand why they hate him

I don't either

so what is next?

the thousand years

that might explain it

chrysostom
November 6th, 2014, 04:19 AM
so how can you ignore a thousand years?

Jesus didn't reign

where does it say Jesus will reign?

revelation 20

it says they will reign with Him

how do you reign with Him?

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes, it is matthew 18:20 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:20&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

so if we are reigning when we gather in His name, He will be with us?

exactly

so what is next?

recapitulation

again?

again

chrysostom
November 7th, 2014, 04:27 AM
so you are just repeating?

some things need repeating

doesn't that get boring

not if it is repeated in a different way

so what's different?

maybe just the time

is this important?

knowing the chapters are not necessarily in chronological order is

why?

the interpretation of one chapter should not be forced onto the next

can you give an example of this?

many think chapter 19 is the second coming and expect Jesus to reign during the thousand years

what's wrong with that?

chapter 20 doesn't say Jesus will reign

what does it say?

they will reign with Him

so what is next?

666

chrysostom
November 8th, 2014, 04:30 AM
so you think it is a year?

just search the bible

for what?

666

what do you get?

yearly was 666

what else?

search daniel for number

what do you get?

number of years

that is not proof

it is just a clue

so how do you prove it?

you can't, you just see if it fits

can you make it fit?

ubetcha

so what is next?

the little book

did you eat it?

ubetcha

Stuu
November 8th, 2014, 04:37 AM
Another four to go for the next page starter?

Actually, with this post, could be only three.

How do these things go?

Microsoft / Mozilla work in mysterious ways.

Stuart

chrysostom
November 9th, 2014, 04:13 AM
so you ate the little book?

in a manner of speaking

what does it mean?

it is now a part of me

so you are obsessed with it?

you could say that

well I did

I wanted to understand it

so do you?

I have come up with an interpretation as good as anything out there

what are you going to do now?

share it

it will not be well received

some will at least consider it

will that make your day?

it already has

so what is next?

the seven heads

chrysostom
November 10th, 2014, 04:40 AM
so why do you think they are dynasties?

there are only seven

how do you know?

I let the historians count them

what do they know about prophecy?

whatever history tells them

why spend so much time on history?

because it is there

what about the future?

it can be anything you want it to be

it must agree with the prophecy

it can be anything you want it to be

it must be rightly guided

history can do that

how?

by not ignoring it

so what is next?

the two witnesses

chrysostom
November 11th, 2014, 05:23 AM
so what is a candlestick?

a poor translation

what's the difference, they both provide light

one uses olive oil

so?

the lampstand must work together with the olive tree

is that significant?

only if you want to identify the two witnesses

so what is next?

new jerusalem

chrysostom
November 12th, 2014, 07:05 AM
so where is new jerusalem?

rome

really?

really

based on what?

you would expect it to be where He built His church

many can't seem to find it

many are blind

how can you make them see?

reason and logic

good luck with that

we could put it on the internet

tol?

good idea

so what is next?

the futurists

chrysostom
November 13th, 2014, 04:16 AM
prophecy is about the future

at some point it becomes history

we are looking for that

what if you are looking for the wrong things?

how could that happen?

the jews didn't see Jesus as the messiah

they should now be able to see that He was

agreed but they don't

they have the wrong interpretation of scripture

you could have the wrong interpretation of scripture

just because it doesn't agree with yours?

it doesn't agree with history

is that your criteria?

only if it fits

you can make anything fit

not really but you can't ignore what appears to fit

so what is next?

the three johns

chrysostom
November 14th, 2014, 05:03 AM
so what can you tell us about the third john?

at the time he may have been more significant than the pope

chrysostom?

he was patriarch of constantinople

wasn't that the center of the world

at the time it was

so what was john doing is ephesus?

replacing seven corrupt bishops

do we know the names of the churches?

just ephesus and it was responsible for the other six

chrysostom never quoted the apocalypse

true but he may have seen the latest while he was in ephesus

and you think he edited it

yes I do

so what is next?

the ten horns

OCTOBER23
November 14th, 2014, 05:11 AM
apocalypse

Its all on YOUTUBE buddy.

chrysostom
November 15th, 2014, 06:57 AM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
armageddon (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4020185#post4020185)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the futurists (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105258)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)


coming soon


now under construction

still under construction

chrysostom
November 15th, 2014, 06:58 AM
so how do you count dynasties?

that is not my job

so who counts them?

the historians

they have their own agendas

don't we all?

so you just find a historian that agrees with you?

it is much easier to find a theologian to agree with you

you can't call them theologians

what do you call them?

so what is next?

the four beasts

chrysostom
November 16th, 2014, 05:10 AM
don't you worry about being politically correct?

I do worry about hate

doesn't political correctness address that?

not if it ignores reality

reality?

evil beliefs lead to evil acts

so what you do is based on your beliefs?

as long as you are not disturbed

many are disturbed

many ignore reality

and that is?

what you do affects others

and that is based on what you believe?

right

so what is next?

babylon the great

chrysostom
November 17th, 2014, 04:56 AM
how do you know your interpretation is correct?

because all the pieces fit

based on what?

history

can you show that?

I have been thinking about that

and?

some kind of timeline might show how the pieces fit

sounds like a project

that's what I thought

so what is next?

antipas

chrysostom
November 18th, 2014, 05:56 AM
so how is the timeline coming?

it has been started

will it take long

longer than I thought

why not show us what you have?

I thought about that

and?

I am still thinking

so what is next?

armageddon

chrysostom
November 19th, 2014, 05:22 AM
so you have another blog

knight said he wouldn't delete them

so you are still worried about your threads being deleted

with good reason

does this have anything to do with the timeline you are working on?

it's a lot of work

how is it coming?

slowly

so what is next?

the four horsemen

JosephR
November 19th, 2014, 05:28 AM
so you have another blog

knight said he wouldn't delete them

so you are still worried about your threads being deleted

with good reason

does this have anything to do with the timeline you are working on?

it's a lot of work

how is it coming?

slowly

so what is next?

the four horsemen


chys, do you think the pale rider could be the same as the one who passed the blood stained doors?

chrysostom
November 19th, 2014, 05:55 AM
chys, do you think the pale rider could be the same as the one who passed the blood stained doors?

I would like to discuss the pale horse rider in this thread

the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)

chrysostom
November 20th, 2014, 04:39 AM
I see you posted the timeline

the reviews are awful

I just saw one

well it was bad

are you happy with it?

it shows how the pieces fit

most don't agree with the pieces

I hope they take time to see if they fit

has anyone else done anything like this

not to my knowledge

so what is next?

the thousand years

that's a big piece

how can you miss it?

chrysostom
November 21st, 2014, 06:26 AM
you're running late

slept in

sometimes that is necessary

hate to do it

are you still working on the timeline?

it will never be done

it has a lot of links

I love links

so what is next?

recapitulation

again?

again

chrysostom
December 18th, 2014, 10:44 AM
welcome back

thank you, thank you very much

what happened to you?

I got sick

you have been sick all this time?

my computer also got sick

are we all better now?

not sure but we seem to be having a good day

who is we?

my computer and I

well we hope you all get back to normal

who is we?

I am sure there are others who have missed you

besides zoo?

maybe tot

bybee
December 18th, 2014, 10:48 AM
welcome back

thank you, thank you very much

what happened to you?

I got sick

you have been sick all this time?

my computer also got sick

are we all better now?

not sure but we seem to be having a good day

who is we?

my computer and I

well we hope you all get back to normal

who is we?

I am sure there are others who have missed you

besides zoo?

maybe tot

I have missed you. The Breakfast Club is not the same without you. I checked the poster listings to see if you were still here. I hope you are well and having a blessed Christmas season.

resodko
December 18th, 2014, 10:55 AM
welcome back

thank you, thank you very much

what happened to you?

I got sick

you have been sick all this time?

my computer also got sick

are we all better now?

not sure but we seem to be having a good day

who is we?

my computer and I

well we hope you all get back to normal

who is we?

I am sure there are others who have missed you

besides zoo?

maybe tot




other people too :)


good to see you back :wave2:

chrysostom
December 18th, 2014, 10:57 AM
I have missed you. The Breakfast Club is not the same without you. I checked the poster listings to see if you were still here. I hope you are well and having a blessed Christmas season.

thank you bybee
I will be getting back to the breakfast club
but
it is nice to see it go on without me

chrysostom
December 18th, 2014, 11:09 AM
other people too :)


good to see you back :wave2:

thanks
it is nice to be welcomed back by a newbie

chrysostom
December 19th, 2014, 08:23 AM
did you see a doctor?

no

why not?

they would just run a bunch of tests

don't you want to know what is wrong with you?

I already know

how?

I check my symptoms online

what about your computer?

now that was a challenge

what did you do?

I restored it

how did you do that?

just go back to a date when there was no problem

that easy?

yes

cool

Totton Linnet
December 19th, 2014, 02:41 PM
I found if you go back to a date before the problem, then windows [grrr] cain't update, they get annoyed if they can't update and start punitive action.

chrysostom
December 22nd, 2014, 08:09 AM
are you going to keep this going?

yes but I need focus, motivation, and energy

we all need that

what do you do when it is not forthcoming?

maybe it is time for reflection

there is a time for everything

I just love it when you quote the bible, can you cite the passage?

yes it is Ecclesiastes 3:1 (KJV) (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+3%3A1&version=KJV)

that is pretty good for a catholic

thank you, thank you very much

chrysostom
December 23rd, 2014, 08:26 AM
maybe you need a new project

I can't ignore the reason I am here

you can take a break from it

I just did that

why don't you just hang around until you get inspired again?

I may get into trouble

hasn't your infraction expired?

three more weeks to go

so be careful

like don't drink and post?

is that hard to do?

I could try post and then drink

that might work

chrysostom
December 24th, 2014, 07:27 AM
so do you buy Christmas presents?

haven't done that in years

how does your family feel about that?

they decided to keep me

do they get presents for you?

sometimes but they know they don't have to

do you get grief about it?

sometimes but they know they don't have to

so what is your Christmas message?

appreciate your family

chrysostom
December 25th, 2014, 07:27 AM
and so this is Christmas

peace on earth

we can always dream

reality keeps getting in the way

we can always light one candle

some will have to be chained

I guess that is reality

and they will complain

and that is reality

please support those who have to do the chaining

chrysostom
December 26th, 2014, 06:59 AM
so how was your Christmas?

we were invited to a nice gathering

how many?

5 seniors, 8 parents, and 7 kids

nice mix

it was

did you have something to drink?

just a couple, I was the designated driver

how nice of you

it was my present

Arsenios
December 26th, 2014, 12:24 PM
do you have an overall view of the apocalypse?


Yes -

It is the future history of the Church of God...

Of the Body of Christ upon this earth...

Great dia-mono-logue, btw...

Kinda Charlie-Brown-esque in its own way...

I am glad you are posting it...

Arsenios

Arsenios
December 26th, 2014, 12:27 PM
so how was your Christmas?

we were invited to a nice gathering

how many?

5 seniors, 8 parents, and 7 kids

nice mix

it was

did you have something to drink?

just a couple, I was the designated driver

how nice of you

it was my present

May you continue to have a Blessed Season...

Of the Nativity...

Of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ...

Now and ever...

And unto the Ages of the Ages...

Amen...

Arsenios

chrysostom
December 27th, 2014, 07:24 AM
that was nice

what was nice?

what arsenios said

yes it was

you should be able to appreciate those who don't agree with you

some of them make it real easy

don't you wonder how that happens?

yes I do

well what do you think?

I can only speculate

I love it when you speculate

I think it has to do with sincerity

interesting

that helps to

Arsenios
December 27th, 2014, 01:18 PM
that was nice

what was nice?

what arsenios said

yes it was

you should be able to appreciate those who don't agree with you

some of them make it real easy

don't you wonder how that happens?

yes I do

well what do you think?

I can only speculate

I love it when you speculate

I think it has to do with sincerity

interesting

that helps to

Thank-you...

Without sincerity there is nothing...

A.

chrysostom
December 28th, 2014, 09:22 AM
so when are you going to get back to the apocalypse?

when I am inspired

don't you have to force it?

it is better if you don't

there must be a way to get back on track

reading a book can do it

I feel like I have read them all

so read them again

that is a good idea

Arsenios
December 28th, 2014, 10:25 AM
so when are you going to get back to the apocalypse?

when I am inspired

don't you have to force it?

it is better if you don't

there must be a way to get back on track

reading a book can do it

I feel like I have read them all


So have you read this one?

The Apocalypse: In the Teachings of Ancient Christianity
by Averky Taushev, Seraphim Rose (Translator)

What did you think of it?

A.

patrick jane
December 28th, 2014, 12:29 PM
Yes -

It is the future history of the Church of God...

Of the Body of Christ upon this earth...

Great dia-mono-logue, btw...

Kinda Charlie-Brown-esque in its own way...

I am glad you are posting it...

Arsenios

old folks always want the apocalypse to happen before they die :juggle:

Arsenios
December 28th, 2014, 05:25 PM
old folks always want the apocalypse to happen before they die :juggle:

It has been here and now for 2000 years...

And counting...

A.

chrysostom
December 29th, 2014, 05:38 AM
So have you read this one?

The Apocalypse: In the Teachings of Ancient Christianity
by Averky Taushev, Seraphim Rose (Translator)

.

no but I do have

Revelation (Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture) (http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Ancient-Christian-Commentary-Scripture/dp/0830814973)

it has all the available ancient christian commentary on the apocalypse
but
I find recent commentary more interesting in that there is more speculation based on years of analysis

chrysostom
March 27th, 2015, 03:25 PM
the apocalypse

666 (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962902#post3962902)
antipas (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3986856#post3986856)
armageddon (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4020185#post4020185)
babylon the great (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962960#post3962960)
new jerusalem (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3984999#post3984999)
recapitulation (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3964046#post3964046)
the four beasts (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962720#post3962720)
the four horsemen (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3962734#post3962734)
the futurists (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105258)
the little book (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3968814#post3968814)
the seven heads (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77340)
the ten horns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102648)
the thousand years (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3966309#post3966309)
the three johns (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3967530#post3967530)
the two witnesses (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4006891#post4006891)
timeline of the apocalypse (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105824)


coming soon


now under construction

bumping my old threads seems to be the thing to do

chrysostom
May 31st, 2015, 04:27 AM
bumping my old threads seems to be the thing to do

it's a good idea
if
they are deleting your posts

chrysostom
June 6th, 2015, 05:21 AM
Revelation 1:1 (KJV)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Puppet
June 6th, 2015, 06:41 AM
What books in the Bible will you be getting your info from? Can you list them?

chrysostom
June 6th, 2015, 06:59 AM
What books in the Bible will you be getting your info from? Can you list them?

for the most part
I have already done it
but
from the bible
mostly daniel
also
genesis
zechariah
ezekiel
matthew
john
and others

for a list of
books used in my research (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3312526#post3312526)

Puppet
June 6th, 2015, 07:47 AM
for the most part
I have already done it
but
from the bible
mostly daniel
also
genesis
zechariah
ezekiel
matthew
john
and others

for a list of
books used in my research (http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3312526#post3312526)

I'm glad you're not using Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, First Maccabees, and Second Maccabees in your Bible. Funny how your first pope was ordained by Paul.

chrysostom
June 6th, 2015, 08:29 AM
I'm glad you're not using Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, First Maccabees, and Second Maccabees in your Bible.

why would anyone use them?
and
why are you glad I'm not?

whitestone
June 6th, 2015, 08:32 AM
Write the things which "THOU HAST SEEN"(past tense to John when he received Rev.),,,and things "WHICH ARE"(present tense to John when he received Rev.),,,and the things "WHICH SHALL BE HEREAFTER",,,(Revelations 1:19 KJV)

Some say the Revelation is dated about ad96, some date before the destruction of the temple in July ad70. but the fact(to us) is the same that is,,,

If this Revelation was given to John around ad70-96 (AND) Revelations 1:19 KJV states that what John was writing is/are things he had seen,things that are,and things that will come to pass then it is broken down into THREE GROUPS,,,past, present and future (in aspect to John when he was on Patmos around 2000 years ago)...

So there are a set of groups of things written in Revelations,,,

(1) things that had already happened,that John had already seen take place at the time of the writing(approx.ad95). i.e. things that were already historical and were being written from a past tense stance.

(2) things that are(in aspect to the timing when John was given this),i.e. the current things happening in the world during the days when John was on Patmos (present tense to John in those days)...

(3) things which shall be hereafter,,,future tense prophecy in aspect to the time when John was on Patmos i.e. the things that had not yet taken place in "that day" and were to be fulfilled in the future(between ad96 and now/approx.)

So if there are three set's of tenses that are told to John to be written what parts of Revelations were happening in John's days(that are recorded in Revelations),,,which things had already taken place when John was told to write this. And then the remainder are the future tense portion of the Revelation.

p.s. the "apostolic fathers" writings in my opinion also bare on this matter because they record a historical witness to the events that shortly take place and many of their writers give opinions as to weather they thought these certain things were to still take place,or if they were already fulfilled in aspect to the historical witness of the things/events taking place during their lives.

whitestone
June 6th, 2015, 09:15 AM
Say for instance,,,

in Revelations 7:3 KJV if this angel/angels are told to "not hurt" ect. until "after",(future tense) those who would be sealed were sealed,then they cannot do this hurt they are given to do until "after",,,the servants of God are sealed in their foreheads.

Again if the plagues that are poured out in that day are NOT poured out on the servants of God who are sealed in their foreheads but instead on those who worshiped the image of the beast (OR) had the name (OR) had the number of his name then the two horned beast in Revelations 13 must come after the 7 headed beast and the head that is wounded unto death(Revelations 17:8 KJV) .

So at the time Revelations 17:8 was written the beast that was and was not yet is had already been in the worlds history(past tense) and was in the pit(present tense when this was told to John) and as the angel states to John in Revaluation 17:8 "SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT"ect.,,,,but it at the time this was stated to John had already been,was wounded unto death,and was (in) the bottomless pit(present tense) to approx.ad96.

Now the plagues,vial's,woe's ect. that are poured out on those who received the mark of the beast cannot happen until after the beast ascends out of the pit and his image is set up(he was in the pit in ad96 so it could only happen after this point in history in aspect to when John received this) and so this is in the portion of rev. 1:19 "which must shortly come to pass",,and not something John had seen or was seeing going on during the days he was on Patmos(ad96).

Again these were written to the 7 churches in Asia so they had already been established by the apostles and were according to the things stated to the 7 Churches were in a state of "decline",hence the corrections mentioned by Jesus to be told to them by John. So these things John had already seen,or they were still going on at the time of the writing of the Revelation.

whitestone
June 6th, 2015, 09:27 AM
So if the plagues are poured out on those who worship the image,or have the number of his name,or have the name of the beast then he must first come. before he can come the two horned best must rise,or else how can the two horned beast say "let us make an image of the beast that was ect.",,,

Many say this is the end and point to earthquakes,volcanoes erupting,oil spills,wars ect. and say that they are the "plagues of God" but oooppps! if these are the plagues of God being poured out on those who have the mark,ect. then everyone is already sealed i.e. cannot happen until they BOTH ARE SEALED,, those who are sealed with Gods mark in their forehead AND those who receive the mark of the beast.

So if it is so that these things we see taking place today are THE PLAGUES OF GOD then all are already sealed and the Christian Church has not yet realized what the mark,image,name of the beast actually is,,and so hence probably already has it and don't understand they do.

But for those who rather see the events as plagues poured out on those who can buy and sell because they already have the number,name,ect. well then open your wallets and purses and see if you(the whole world) have a number that represents your name,gives you the right to buy and sell worldwide that you have in your forehead and that you give proof of with your right hand when you make a purchase.

chrysostom
June 6th, 2015, 09:31 AM
you might be interested in the oldest commentary on the apocalypse

Commentary on the Apocalypse (Victorinus) (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0712.htm)

what is so interesting about it
is
he doesn't mention any of the seven churches
he doesn't mention antipas

he does mention patmos
but
not until he comments on chapter ten
so
it could be information that he has independent of his copy of the apocalypse

whitestone
June 6th, 2015, 10:01 AM
you might be interested in the oldest commentary on the apocalypse

Commentary on the Apocalypse (Victorinus) (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0712.htm)

what is so interesting about it
is
he doesn't mention any of the seven churches
he doesn't mention antipas

he does mention patmos
but
not until he comments on chapter ten
so
it could be information that he has independent of his copy of the apocalypse

yes, mine own self I was drawn more to Polycarpus,Ignatious,Clement of Rome,Barnabas ect. not that they say a whole lot but the tense they use seems to always be future in aspect to the Mill. But also others as you point out (lol) Victorinus from ad270-300? is about the point where the shift from Chillism to amill. began(controversial I know) but I will read it none the less.

Not that I disagree with you at all though I think some of the early letters and some others as time went on might be a "foggy grey area",lol some others from 500ad ect. I have read and thought "hmm,he seems to understand but some of the others around him may have not". I say this because as we know there are also books from the other spectrum i.e. "valentinus,marconian ect." who believed they knew and also wrote letters so from around Irenaeus back seems to be of one opinion and the way some believed seemed to deviate a little after this point in time.

chrysostom
June 6th, 2015, 10:13 AM
yes, mine own self I was drawn more to Polycarpus,Ignatious,Clement of Rome,Barnabas ect. not that they say a whole lot but the tense they use seems to always be future in aspect to the Mill. But also others as you point out (lol) Victorinus from ad270-300? is about the point where the shift from Chillism to amill. began(controversial I know) but I will read it none the less.

Not that I disagree with you at all though I think some of the early letters and some others as time went on might be a "foggy grey area",lol some others from 500ad ect. I have read and thought "hmm,he seems to understand but some of the others around him may have not". I say this because as we know there are also books from the other spectrum i.e. "valentinus,marconian ect." who believed they knew and also wrote letters so from around Irenaeus back seems to be of one opinion and the way some believed seemed to deviate a little after this point in time.

victorinus is important when you add it to what eusebius wrote in his church history
eusebius mentions most of the seven churches of the apocalypse but never acknowledges the connection to the apocalypse
eusebius doesn't mention antipas but seems to mention all the other martyrs
eusebius also mention ancient copies of the apocalypse referred to by irenaeus

all this suggests more than one version of the apocalypse

whitestone
June 6th, 2015, 10:45 AM
victorinus is important when you add it to what eusebius wrote in his church history
eusebius mentions most of the seven churches of the apocalypse but never acknowledges the connection to the apocalypse
eusebius doesn't mention antipas but seems to mention all the other martyrs
eusebius also mention ancient copies of the apocalypse referred to by irenaeus

all this suggests more than one version of the apocalypse

I agree Irenaeus mentions this in AH 5.30.1 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm in which he is arguing that there were approved copies and others which were not. In the preface of A.H. chapter 2 Irenaeus also mentions "SOME OF THE COMMENTARIES" that were written by the "disciples of Valentinus" so it implies there were several other copies and also "commentaries" by around ad170-180 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103100.htm

In my opinion this fragment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_115 is from ONE OF THE COMMENTARIES OF HIS DISCIPLES,,,,I say this because Irenaeus also states that Valentinus also changed the "iota and eta" becouse it was the first two letters of Christ name.

also I agree with the opinion of victorinus being important in this because both he and Irenaeus are from the same area and time-frame (Lyons France to lower Germany) so he was probably well antiquated with this.

whitestone
June 6th, 2015, 11:43 AM
I agree Irenaeus mentions this in AH 5.30.1 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm in which he is arguing that there were approved copies and others which were not. In the preface of A.H. chapter 2 Irenaeus also mentions "SOME OF THE COMMENTARIES" that were written by the "disciples of Valentinus" so it implies there were several other copies and also "commentaries" by around ad170-180 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103100.htm

In my opinion this fragment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_115 is from ONE OF THE COMMENTARIES OF HIS DISCIPLES,,,,I say this because Irenaeus also states that Valentinus also changed the "iota and eta" becouse it was the first two letters of Christ name.

also I agree with the opinion of victorinus being important in this because both he and Irenaeus are from the same area and time-frame (Lyons France to lower Germany) so he was probably well antiquated with this.


something I also should add to this is that considering the misspelling of TITAN is (intentional) on Irenaeus part as TIETAN in that he is resolving through a language barrier.

Irenaeus was accustomed to speak "keltae"(Celt) but he also understood that before the Revelation was written in the common Greek there also was Attic(and others) one was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaean_Greek and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_B and linearA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_A ,,,,,

so in the statement Irenaeus made about "the Greek mode of calculation" he also intentionally used these older forms of mathematics when he resolved this.

This to me makes good sense because Patmos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patmos is in the Islands just below "ICARIA and SAMOS"(one of the five dots/islands) so the dialect of Greek spoken on Patmos would be a little different http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycenaean_Greek#/media/File:Homeric_Greece.svg (notice Irenaeus calls it ancient) speaking of the "Greek mode of calculation",,,

chrysostom
June 6th, 2015, 11:56 AM
something I also should add to this is that considering the misspelling of TITAN is (intentional) on Irenaeus part as TIETAN in that he is resolving through a language barrier.

Irenaeus was accustomed to speak "keltae"(Celt) but he also understood that before the Revelation was written in the common Greek

whoa!

a misspelling by irenaeus?
you can't be looking at an original document
it must be a copy of a translation at best
how can you blame him for the misspelling?

and

the apocalypse was originally written in hebrew and later translated into greek

whitestone
June 6th, 2015, 02:52 PM
whoa!

a misspelling by irenaeus?
you can't be looking at an original document
it must be a copy of a translation at best
how can you blame him for the misspelling?

and

the apocalypse was originally written in hebrew and later translated into greek


lol,he did not misspell it,,it is the "old spelling of the word",,,TEITAN see ch.3 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103530.htm ,,,,he was using the form of Greek in the links in my former post,,,he wrote it that way on purpose.

Puppet
June 6th, 2015, 07:49 PM
why would anyone use them?
and
why are you glad I'm not?

It didn't end up in the complete bible. God didn't inspired it to be included in the 66 book bible.

chrysostom
June 8th, 2015, 09:39 AM
the jerome biblical commentary (http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Jerome-Biblical-Commentary/dp/0136149340)

now that I have this book
I can comment on a catholic interpretation of the apocalypse
but
I don't believe it is considered the official catholic interpretation
and
I don't believe it must be accepted by catholics
and
I don't agree with it

it is a big book
1500 pages
has commentary on both the old and the new testament
very interesting

chrysostom
June 9th, 2015, 05:17 AM
so what are you working on?

the abomination of desolation

is that in the apocalypse?

don't think so but it may help identify the beasts

of daniel?

yes and it will help identify the beasts of the apocalypse

nearly everyone agrees about the beasts of daniel

they could be wrong

based on what?

the abomination of desolation

chrysostom
August 27th, 2015, 03:17 AM
is the time near?

it is time to update the apocalypse

before they delete it?

that is always a concern of mine

do you have anything new?

new to me

what is it?

mostly daniel stuff

why daniel?

daniel is the key to understanding the apocalypse

what about history?

daniel is history

Arsenios
August 29th, 2015, 02:45 PM
is the time near?

...

do you have anything new?



LORD HAVE MERCY!

My Brother...

The Time is Now...

It has always been Now...

Since the Empty Tomb

Of our Lord...

From the Virgin's Womb...

The Church is in decline...

The Church Herself...

Few are holding Her now...

Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven...

The rest is vanity...

All is vanity...

There is nothing new...

Under the sun...

God bless you in the quest of your search...

I will not be writing here much now...

Farewell...

Arsenios

patrick jane
August 29th, 2015, 02:49 PM
LORD HAVE MERCY!

My Brother...

The Time is Now...

It has always been Now...

Since the Empty Tomb

Of our Lord...

From the Virgin's Womb...

The Church is in decline...

The Church Herself...

Few are holding Her now...

Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven...

The rest is vanity...

All is vanity...

There is nothing new...

Under the sun...

God bless you in the quest of your search...

I will not be writing here much now...

Farewell...

Arsenios

good-bye arsenios. what's going on ? tell me some secrets -